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Title: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Juliana on February 16, 2007, 11:39:30 AM
So I'm sitting here all psyched about this whole collection of comic books coming out, not because I like comics necessarily (I've never really read any), but because they're going to go into Roland's past.

I got the preview or intro or whaveter comic for V-Day, and I'm leafing through it, and I realize about 1 page in that I'm pretty sure that this is going to give away that Coda in the Final Dark Tower book that Stephen King warned us not to read, and I was the one dork in the world who took the advice.

I mean, I'm not 100% sure, but I think I'm a little more in the know.  I'm disapointed.  Highly disapointed to be exact, and I've found my enthusiasm for the comic series slightly diminished.

I haven't been able to get my grubby paws on the actual first book yet, but hopefully I'll be able to make it.  I don't get why places like Borders don't have it, since they carry other titles, but so far, they don't.

Anyway, there will be 7 initial books, mostly detailing what happens in Wizzards & Glass, 5 about Alain & Cuthbert, and then an additional 18 that take place focusing on Roland, that take place after Wizzards & Glass and THe Gunslinger.
Title: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Doug on February 22, 2007, 07:32:29 AM
I went down to Mavericks Comics a week or so ago and they were sold out FAST.  So I started a file there specifically for that book.  I got my grubby paws on it last night, put the kids to bed, cleaned up, watched Lost and sat up 'til 11:30 reading it.  It's good.  I really like the character depictions...pretty close to what I had imagiined.  My only concern is how they are going to get from his childhood to Wizard & Glass in 7 issues.  I can't wait to find out though.
Title: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Juliana on February 22, 2007, 08:13:48 AM
Wizard & Glass was when they were pretty young though, 15-17ish, right?

Kwyj picked a copy up for me, but I haven't had a chance to look at it yet.
Title: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Doug on February 22, 2007, 08:23:09 AM
I guess I was thinking about the adult parts of Wizard & Glass.  If it's gonna' focus on his growth into manhood, then I can see it.  I'm a little dissapointed, because from everything I read, this series would fill in some of the blanks that were left in the books.  But so far, it reads like a it's directly out of the book.  I still like it though.  If anything, it's nice to see it visually and will be a good collector's item to go along with the set of books.
Title: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 22, 2007, 08:35:08 AM
I thought the first seven issues were going to be a straight rehash from the books, then a bunch of issues of new material.
Title: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Doug on March 07, 2007, 02:50:45 PM
I'm picking up #2 tonight!
Title: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Nate on March 13, 2007, 12:44:16 AM
Interesting interview with King aintitcool.com news did the other day.  Some highlights...

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But the books [the Dark Tower series] themselves aren’t done. I was sayin’ this in the panel. I’d like to rewrite them. Whether or not I’ll actually get that chance I don’t know, but I’d like to because to me they’re a first draft.


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QUINT: I talked a little bit earlier about being both terrified and excited when I hear one of your stories is optioned, but Dark Tower has always been so close to me that when the rumor hit that JJ Abrams [LOST] might be doing it, then you confirmed it on the panel this afternoon…

STEPHEN KING: Well, the only thing that I can confirm is that we’re talking about it because there’s nothing firm yet.

QUINT: Well, he doesn’t have it set up somewhere yet, but he has the option right?

STEPHEN KING: Well, he doesn’t have anything yet, but he will have eventually… if he wants it. I think he does.

QUINT: Do you think he’ll attack the series as a television series like LOST or…

STEPHEN KING: No. It oughta be movies. It’s gotta be big. I’d like to see it done (that way). I’m not going to close any doors because that’s not my way…

QUINT: What about a cable series, like an HBO or Showtime series?

STEPHEN KING: We’ve talked about it, but (Abrams and Damon Lindelof’s) impulse, too, is to go with the big screen. JJ has a deal with Paramount Pictures. I know that he’s talked with somebody at Paramount and said, “Yeah, it probably oughta be pictures.” But why close any doors?
Title: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Nate on March 13, 2007, 12:45:29 AM
I like how the Appendix in each book goes into more detail about the history, with the Prim, Arthur Eld, etc.
Title: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Doug on March 13, 2007, 07:52:34 AM
Quote from: "Nate"
I like how the Appendix in each book goes into more detail about the history, with the Prim, Arthur Eld, etc.

I do too.  Really fills in some blanks.

Great news about Abrams having the option.  I'd love to see what he can do with it.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Juliana on July 21, 2008, 03:47:47 PM
So...

Did anybody else actually keep up with these so far?

They just got done with what were, according to my original post, the 5 books dealing with Cuthbert and Alain (mmm, yeah, they turned out to be half A&C, half Roland, and some weird stuff with Shemie).

I've enjoyed the drawings and the backstory quite a bit.  This set was nice because it was completly new material.  According to the last comic, it'll start up again in the fall.

I need to brush up on the series as a whole though.  Some of this stuff, I think I remember, and some of it I just think I remember them aluding to.

I'm currently starting the actual book series over again.  I read (God I'm a nerd) the revised & expanded edition of The Gunslinger (the one that came out in 03-ish I guess), and to really dork it up right, I finished that and I'm now rereading the original paperback....you know, to compare the two.  I hope this to be the only time I go back to the original. 
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Doug on July 21, 2008, 10:34:16 PM
I have a bunch waiting for me in my file.  I just need to scrape the money together.

I've been thinking about getting the whole series in audio form and listening to it om my way back and forth to work.  There's so much I forget about the earlier books and it would be neat to go through it again in a new medium.

You are definetely not a neerd though.  I've read the entire series over again every time a new book was announced so I'd be current.  It's really good stuff and that's all you need to say.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Buzzstein on July 23, 2008, 02:28:07 PM
I don't think I'm going to bother reading any of the new Dark Tower material.  Every Stephen King novel/series I've read I've found to be anticlimactic. 
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Juliana on July 23, 2008, 04:40:44 PM
of every book period?
Really?
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Buzzstein on July 25, 2008, 02:43:38 PM
of every book period?
Really?

Well to be honest I've only read The Dark Tower series, The Stand, that one with the aliens and the mentally disabled dude, and something else I can't remember.  But I've always ended up a bit disappointed in the end.  Do you have any recommendations?  I may give him another chance.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 28, 2008, 07:58:30 AM
I can't imagine anybody being disappointed with The Stand.

My favorite SK novel is The Long Walk.  There's something so crazy about an entire book focusing on people just walking (even if it is to their death).
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Juliana on July 28, 2008, 11:32:47 AM
My first Stephen King was The Talisman.  I was 14 I think, and my mom finally said I was old enough.

It was written by King and Peter Straub jointly, so it's like a good primer/introduction book.  I'd also highly The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon.  It's a short book and fairly intense.

Other (I think) standouts-
Salem's Lot
The Shining
It


Try those, see if you like them.  If you like short stories, check out his short story collections.  he has several.  Night Shift, Different Seasons, Skeleton Crew, Nightmares and Dreamscapes....
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 28, 2008, 11:46:22 AM
How can you recommend The Talisman to someone that didn't like the Dark Tower books?  They're exactly the same sort of thing.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Juliana on July 29, 2008, 12:33:17 PM
Okay, substitute The Dead Zone for The Talisman.

I don't know, I think The Talisman could stand on it's own.

I guess it depends on what you didn't like about The Gunslinger.

Buzz, I'm assuimng the one you meant about the aliens was Dreamcatcher.  Yeah, that book wasn't very good.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Juliana on September 23, 2008, 12:57:17 PM
The new series has started.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Doug on September 23, 2008, 02:12:31 PM
Thanks for the reminder.  I'll have to pay Maverick's a visit and check my file.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Buzzstein on September 24, 2008, 03:21:12 PM
My first Stephen King was The Talisman.  I was 14 I think, and my mom finally said I was old enough.

It was written by King and Peter Straub jointly, so it's like a good primer/introduction book.  I'd also highly The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon.  It's a short book and fairly intense.

Other (I think) standouts-
Salem's Lot
The Shining
It


Try those, see if you like them.  If you like short stories, check out his short story collections.  he has several.  Night Shift, Different Seasons, Skeleton Crew, Nightmares and Dreamscapes....

Okay, substitute The Dead Zone for The Talisman.

Thanks for the recommendations!  I'll be sure to check some of those out.

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Buzz, I'm assuimng the one you meant about the aliens was Dreamcatcher.  Yeah, that book wasn't very good.

Yeah, that's it.  Good to know I'm not the only one who thought that.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Juliana on September 24, 2008, 03:41:32 PM
I think Dreamcatcher was pretty much universally not anybody's favorite.

I can't believe I didn't do this earlier, but Bag of Bones is also a really nice story.

All of that said, damn I love the Dark Tower books.  I'm currently on The Wastelands in my re-reading quest.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Juliana on October 10, 2008, 03:40:14 PM
Just finished The Wastelands (like a minute ago).
I remember being so pissed off at the ending of that one when I first read it.  I mean to end it like he did, and for the next book to not come out for 5 or 6 years....

I'm finding it a lot harder to keep up on the comics now that the shop in the Towne Mall has closed down.  It's a little out of the way to run up to that shop on Dorothy Lane in Kettering near Butter & Clemsonfan, but as far as I know, it's the next closest one. 
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Nate on October 10, 2008, 04:04:30 PM
Going back a little bit, I think Black House, the sequel to the Talisman, is way better.  I won't spoil it, but it delves into Dark Tower territory and helped illuminate some things about why things are happening the way they are.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Juliana on October 23, 2008, 07:15:46 PM
Better than The Talisman?
seriously?
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Juliana on December 23, 2008, 10:25:45 AM
xposted in the comics forum, but posting here too

According to the Stephen King website, if you haven't picked up the new edition of The Gunslinger that came out a few years ago, now might be the time.  A new editon is coming out that has The Little Sisters of Eluria story attached as well.  I guess I'll xpost this to the Gunslinger thread in pulp, but I figured it was worth a mention.  The artwork is suppsoed to be featured heavily in this edition.


All that said, I finally finished Wizard&Glass. It took me forever because I've just been busy and honestly not here that much at work.   
Love the Wizard of Oz tie ins with that book.
For some reason I had totally forgotten that Susan died.  I was shocked when I read that in the first set of comics.  I had her death and Roland's mom's death mixed up I guess in my head.


On a side note, what happened to the spoiler tag?  Did we always have to type it in manually and I just forgot?
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Nate on May 06, 2010, 02:22:42 AM
Ron Howard has acquired the film rights to the Dark Tower series.

King is writing the 8th book in the series, to be set between Wizard & Glass and Wolves Of The Calla, titled The Wind Through The Keyhole.

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2010/05/ron-howard-gets-rights-to-stephen-kings-dark-tower.html
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Nate on May 06, 2010, 02:23:27 AM
Better than The Talisman?
seriously?

Way better.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Juliana on May 06, 2010, 09:10:07 AM
I heard about the 8th book, but I didn't know it was set in the middle of things.  I'll look later if I get a chance, but is there a big gap between W&G and WotC?

Nate, did you keep up with the comics?
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Doug on May 06, 2010, 01:48:40 PM
Ron Howard has acquired the film rights to the Dark Tower series.

Yeah, I heard about that over here...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/44876

Doesn't sound too great.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 06, 2010, 01:57:38 PM
With a few notable exceptions, movie adaptations of King's stuff tend to stink.  The thought of Abrams/Cuse/Lindelof having control sounds awesome but I guess that fell through.  I guess I need to break down and read these before the movies and/or TV shows happen.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Doug on May 06, 2010, 03:31:24 PM
Yeah, I mean if Abrams/Cuse/Lindelof gave it back because they didn't think they could do it justice, I worry about anybody doing it.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Nate on May 06, 2010, 06:23:34 PM
I read the first two series of comics.  Forgot about the 3rd.

And yeah, Ron Howard condensing the series into three films is not a good sign.  Will Tom Hanks play Roland?  :p
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Juliana on May 06, 2010, 06:29:03 PM
I forget which set I stopped on.  It was right after they introduced Cort's niece, and I think it was the night of the celebration of the "victory" in Meijs.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Nate on May 06, 2010, 06:31:57 PM
I don't remember that, so it must have been the 3rd one.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Nate on January 31, 2011, 11:51:37 PM
Javier Bardem has officially been offered the lead role in the screen adaptation of Stephen King’s The Dark Tower. Director Ron Howard has confirmed his plans to adapt the seven-book series into at least two feature films and a six-hour mini series (!!!) to offer a complete story.

It appears that Bardem has beaten out Viggo Mortensen who was also considered for the role of the gunslinger Roland. However, Bardem has not yet formally accepted the offer.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Juliana on February 01, 2011, 03:26:27 PM
For what it's worth, I'd rather see Viggo.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Nate on February 04, 2011, 01:01:13 AM
It's a cool idea if Howard and company can pull it off.  A movie which ties into the first season of a TV show, which ties into a 2nd movie, which ties into the 2nd season of the TV show, into the 3rd movie.  Has this been done before?  I think that would be enough time to tell the story without leaving too many details out.

Javier will have to wear blue contacts, though.  :p
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Nate on July 19, 2011, 05:40:49 AM
Universal pulls the plug on the Dark Tower movie.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-rt-us-darktowertre76i06q-20110718,0,3464229.story
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 19, 2011, 07:50:06 AM
Boo!  So the profit margins on these types of productions aren't high enough for them?  Morons.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Nate on October 27, 2011, 12:51:03 AM
Word has it HBO picked up the series now.  Format still the same (TV season, movie, TV season).  No idea when it will run.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 27, 2011, 08:01:41 AM
I finally read the first book... it was okay, I don't get the hype but I plan to read the second one soon.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: daemon on October 27, 2011, 09:06:35 AM
I finally read the first book... it was okay, I don't get the hype but I plan to read the second one soon.

I'm actually about 3/4 of the way through the first one now, and would agree.  Hopefully there's more gunslingin' and less yappin' in book two.  :D
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Nate on October 28, 2011, 05:13:07 AM
Yeah, one is like the setup for the rest.  If I had to rank them, it'd probably be something like...3 4 2 5 1 7 6.

5-7 were written in a mad rush it seemed like (there are reasons for that, most stemming from his near-fatal car accident before that time).  Considering book 4 came out almost a decade before 5 started, I think it was the longest wait for a new one in the series.  Right now, there are some questionable plot devices in the last three that don't work as well as books 2-4 did.  At some point, King said there would be a rewrite of the entire series, which I hope makes the whole experience more cohesive.

If you're really into the mythology of the Tower, reading other King books like Insomnia and Black House should be high on your list.  Doesn't matter when you read them, during or after you're done with the DT series.  But they're must-reads.  There are 7 or 8 other books he's written which touch on the whole Tower thing, but those two have a LOT to do with that concept.  Black House is probably my favorite novel of his.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Nate on October 28, 2011, 05:21:24 AM
Uck.  Now I'm almost completely not interested in a TV/Movie thing if this is true.

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IndieWire is reporting that Gabe Toro has spoken with Brian Grazer and learned the Dark Tower films are very much still in the works. Their brief conversation yields news about a script rewrite that offers a more "satisfying" ending as well as a revised budget with 40-50 million trimmed out.  Clearly, both of these points should enable The Dark Tower property to be reconsidered for production by the major Hollywood studios.

No spoilers from me, but the ending is what makes the books great, IMO.  The fact they're going to 'Hollywood' it up instead of letting the story be told is almost a guarantee this is going to get royally fucked.  Boo-urns!
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: daemon on October 28, 2011, 08:25:38 AM
Yeah, one is like the setup for the rest. 

Alright, well I finished it last night (the ending was very Horton Hears a Who-ish...maybe Jim Carrey should play the gunslinger), so I'll keep an open mind for The Drawing.  Unfortunately I have to get through American Vampire first (King's stab at a graphic novel) since it's due back tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Juliana on October 28, 2011, 05:09:38 PM
Uck.  Now I'm almost completely not interested in a TV/Movie thing if this is true.

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IndieWire is reporting that Gabe Toro has spoken with Brian Grazer and learned the Dark Tower films are very much still in the works. Their brief conversation yields news about a script rewrite that offers a more "satisfying" ending as well as a revised budget with 40-50 million trimmed out.  Clearly, both of these points should enable The Dark Tower property to be reconsidered for production by the major Hollywood studios.

No spoilers from me, but the ending is what makes the books great, IMO.  The fact they're going to 'Hollywood' it up instead of letting the story be told is almost a guarantee this is going to get royally fucked.  Boo-urns!

Nate, I swear at one point you told me to skip the ending like King advises...
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Nate on October 29, 2011, 01:05:57 AM
No, I think I told you to read it.  It's not a "happy" ending per se, but I think it's the only way it could have ended reasonably.  And there is hope in it...
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Juliana on October 29, 2011, 09:39:45 PM
Maybe it was Doug?
I know my mom told me to skip the end.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 31, 2011, 07:39:19 AM
I honestly don't see how you could read and be invested in all of that material and then skip the end.  Actually, the fact that she hasn't read the end is motivation for me to read them... I want to lord it over her that I know what happens.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Juliana on October 31, 2011, 09:24:56 AM
I honestly don't see how you could read and be invested in all of that material and then skip the end.  Actually, the fact that she hasn't read the end is motivation for me to read them... I want to lord it over her that I know what happens.

So in 2020, Kwyj will tell me the "coda"
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 31, 2011, 10:05:19 AM
I honestly don't see how you could read and be invested in all of that material and then skip the end.  Actually, the fact that she hasn't read the end is motivation for me to read them... I want to lord it over her that I know what happens.

So in 2020, Kwyj will tell me the "coda"


Man... 8 years, I don't know if I can do it.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: rva on October 31, 2011, 10:47:04 AM
The ending and really the whole last three books in the series kind of sucked.  I don't know if that's what they mean by "satisfying" but the end definitely needs to be changed.

You can skip the last bit.  Not because it ruins the story, but because you already know what it's going to be.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Butter on October 31, 2011, 11:03:48 AM
Looking forward to the series and stuff, just so I don't have to read like 9 million page books.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on May 19, 2012, 06:52:55 PM
While I haven't read any Stephen King, I did see that he has written another installment for the book series. Does this post make sense for this thread?  ???
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Buzzstein on May 19, 2012, 09:26:19 PM
The ending and really the whole last three books in the series kind of sucked.  I don't know if that's what they mean by "satisfying" but the end definitely needs to be changed.

You can skip the last bit.  Not because it ruins the story, but because you already know what it's going to be.

Yeah, I agree. They did kind of suck. I've pretty much been disappointed with every single thing I've read by Stephen King. His stories always seem to end up being anticlimactic as hell. He's really not that good of a writer.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 21, 2012, 08:37:20 AM
While I haven't read any Stephen King, I did see that he has written another installment for the book series. Does this post make sense for this thread?  ???

That one is labeled as "A Dark Tower Novel"... my guess is that it's in addition to the canon but not really affecting the overall arc of the main books.  I could probably find out for sure in a couple of clicks but I'm just too lazy.

By the way, I've read the first book and I still have 8 years according to Julie's prediction there.  I'm guessing I'll make it.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Nate on August 22, 2012, 12:12:23 AM
The proposed film and TV show is off again.   *sigh*.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/55892/shocker-stephen-king-book-for-once-probably-not-getting-made-into-movie
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 22, 2012, 01:48:33 AM
Yeah, I agree. They did kind of suck. I've pretty much been disappointed with every single thing I've read by Stephen King. His stories always seem to end up being anticlimactic as hell. He's really not that good of a writer.

This.  King has a vivid imagination, and I think his prose is actually very underrated, but none of that translates to screen.

He can't do the most fundamental thing for a novelist, which is resolve a plot.  So no one is going to invest tens if not hundreds of millions on a 6 hour movie that still skips half the books and turns into complete shit after 3 hours.  Or a 8 season show that jumps the shark so bad that by season 5 Stephen King is on it appearing as himself.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Nate on December 10, 2015, 12:53:18 PM
Rumor is Idris Elba will now play Roland if/when this thing ever gets made into a movie.
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Kwyjibo on December 10, 2015, 01:21:14 PM
Who the heck are you?
Title: Re: The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born
Post by: Dan on June 14, 2016, 03:11:01 PM
Rumor is that the filming they were doing on the corner of my street today was for The Dark Tower.




*rumor=my wife told me this