Randomville

Randomville! => The Locker Room => Topic started by: rva on June 23, 2007, 09:17:19 PM

Title: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on June 23, 2007, 09:17:19 PM
So the draft was yesterday, and as expected the Chicago Blackhawks picked Patrick Kane. 

He has good instincts, he's fast and fluid on skates, he stick handles well, he's a competitor..... and he'd better be all that, because he's only 5' 9" 160.   I feel like he's either going to be awesome, or he won't be strong enough and he'll suck.  No in between.  Right now I think with the new rules and all I'm leaning towards "awesome."

But anyway, my favorite thing about this dude is he is 18, the number one pick in the NHL, and he doesn't have an agent:

"When I was younger, these agents would be coming up to the bigger and stronger kids and talking to them and I thought I was kind of left out," the 5-foot-10 Ontario Hockey League scoring champion said Thursday.

"The last couple of years they've started to come around and really hound me. I think I owe it to myself and I don't need an agent to represent me now."

So dumb, and yet so cool.  I love this kid's moxie.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Dan on June 23, 2007, 11:25:13 PM
That's pretty sweet of him. Of course, if in five years he's totally getting screwed then we'll all say how dumb it was of him.

Either way...something tells me that that "NHL Thread" will be a discussion between Jonathan, you, and The Hegemo. Does anyone else even follow hockey around here?
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on June 23, 2007, 11:41:41 PM
I don't even follow the NHL any more, really.  They kind of lost me after the strike.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on June 24, 2007, 12:39:25 AM
There's me - although my focus is primarily on one team and a few specific players. Especially any who are on one of my 3 fantasy hockey teams or attended my alma mater.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Jonathan on June 24, 2007, 09:02:22 PM
And with regards to that team...I was very happy with their first-round pick, Brandon Sutter of the famous hockey-playing Sutter family. His dad, five uncles and two cousins (thus far) have all played in the NHL.

You can't go wrong picking a Sutter.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on June 25, 2007, 10:58:52 AM
Fun Sutter facts:

There are actually seven Sutter brothers.  The eldest brother Gary was a defenseman and supposedly the best out of all of them is the only one who never played in the NHL.  He turned down a minor league hockey contract when he was 17 and that was the end of his hockey career.  Gary Sutter went on to win $10 million in the Canadian lottery.

Rich and Ron Sutter are twins.  During their playing days they had a reputation for supposedly being able to feel each other's pain.  Like if Ron Sutter got hurt, Rich would psychically sense it. It gotten written up in the papers.  Supposedly some thug-- I can't remember who-- had some beef with Ron Sutter so he cheap-shotted RICH Sutter.  Then he called Ron up and asked him if he felt it.

Bruce Sutter attended college at Old Dominion University in Virginia.  He later went on to save 300 games and was elected to the MLB Hall of Fame in 2006.  He has nothing to do with the famous Sutter family of hockey.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Nate on June 25, 2007, 06:57:26 PM
5'10", huh?  That's a stretch.  I'm taller than that guy and I'm not 5'10".
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Jonathan on June 25, 2007, 07:39:18 PM
Athletes always get a couple of inches added on top.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Dan on June 25, 2007, 11:31:24 PM
So in that case, let's just say that my athletic profile would read: 5'11" 155 lbs.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! I can only wish.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Jonathan on June 26, 2007, 09:53:44 AM
Did you add some weight, too? Because you're supposed to do that also.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Dan on June 26, 2007, 01:31:53 PM
Yeah, I added 10 lbs.
Maybe I should have added more.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Jonathan on June 26, 2007, 03:17:20 PM
You added 10 pounds to get to 155?

I hate you.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Dan on June 26, 2007, 04:11:07 PM
And you can hit a softball farther than me. To each their own.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on June 29, 2007, 11:59:33 PM
Ron Francis was elected to the Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility. Yay!
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Jonathan on June 30, 2007, 03:02:32 PM
By my count, he's the third Hurricane to make the HoF.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on June 30, 2007, 06:47:54 PM
Bah.  Hurricane, my ass.  He's a Penguin or a Whaler.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Jonathan on June 30, 2007, 09:18:48 PM
He's a Hurricane, and I will brook no comments to the contrary.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on June 30, 2007, 11:46:07 PM
Especially since that's his current employer.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Dan on July 01, 2007, 01:32:43 PM
I think of Ron Francis and I think of the Penguins.
Period.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Jonathan on July 03, 2007, 03:29:38 AM
I would imagine that wouldn't make you very popular in Connecticut.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: The Hegemo on July 03, 2007, 10:32:05 AM
He's a Soo Greyhound... ;)
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on July 03, 2007, 12:11:46 PM
I would imagine that wouldn't make you very popular in Connecticut.
hehe.  He'd probably still be more popular than someone who thinks Francis is a Hurricane.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Jonathan on July 03, 2007, 07:39:04 PM
Whiny Whalers fans need to move on. That's all I'm going to say.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on August 12, 2007, 10:40:21 PM
Kevyn was traded to the Blackhawks for another former Hurricane. (http://blackhawks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=335873)

Still doesn't get him back here, but it's easier to keep up with Chicago than Phoenix.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on August 27, 2007, 06:22:15 PM
Fantasy hockey anyone?

Its a keeper league and its usually pretty competitive but free (although there are usually lots of side bets involved between people). There are a few teams that have been abandoned, so if you are interested let me know and I can send you the rosters you can chose from as well as the rules of the league.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Jonathan on August 27, 2007, 06:59:56 PM
Who abandoned?

Please say Ruff Riders. That guy always beats me.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on August 28, 2007, 07:38:34 AM
Three of the lower seeds dropped out. Sorry, Ruff Riders is back. Funny thing is, he already asked if YOU were coming back.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Jonathan on August 28, 2007, 11:19:07 AM
You know, that makes me feel good. It means he thinks I'm a threat. :)

Nothing like a little healthy competition...
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on September 11, 2007, 11:23:13 PM
If you still need someone, I'd be willing to take over a team.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on October 06, 2007, 11:47:07 PM
I'm loving the Caps this year.  Nylander and Poti were good moves, but the best move was ditching the retarded-ass 90's Eagle for the old-school cheesy as hell Caps logo.

They are the one Washington-area team I pull for as much as a Chicago team.  The Orioles were the other one, until Peter Angelos bought them.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on October 07, 2007, 08:43:30 AM
They may contend for a playoff spot this year. It will depend if Kolzig holds up all year, but I see no reason why he wouldn't. I also like the Backstrom kid. I would like to see him shoot more, but that might be unnecessary playing with Ovechkin & Semin.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on November 08, 2007, 10:36:02 PM
Man, it seems like every other day there's a new controversy involving a hit.

Although I actually have to say, I think the NHL's doing a decent job. 

Downie's hit was ridiculous and everyone knows he's a headcase.  Does it really matter so much whether he left his skates a fraction of a second before the contact or a fraction of a second after?  It's not like he just fell down.  Boulerice's cross check was equally ridiculous.  They were getting slaughtered, there was no remotely hockey-related reason why he'd be skating around and suddenly raise his stick up.  You can't even argue that people should skate with their heads up or look where they're going or some other stupid shit.  If you have to skate around on your guard at all times that someone's going to viciously clothesline you with the their stick there's really no point to hockey.

The Jones hit was different.  It *looks* really bad, and yeah, it's illegal.  He should be suspended a few games but there's nothing in there that's intentionally malicious.  It was just a badly timed check.  Boulerice stopped suddenly and turned and wasn't really balanced and Jones shove caught him harder than it should have.  The potential for injury is the exact reason you can't check from behind but it's also one of those things that you know is going to happen.  People screw up.  Two games seems about right to me.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Dan on November 09, 2007, 12:03:38 AM
Does the NHL still exist? I didn't know.

Seriously?
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on November 09, 2007, 07:57:39 AM
Does the NHL still exist? I didn't know.

Seriously?
I've never understood the the reasoning behind posts like this. And not just hockey, any topic. Do you think anyone in this thread gives a shit if you don't want to join the discussion?

Anyways, I agree with you RVA that the NHL is doing a decent job of penalizing the the unnecessary stickwork. The trouble is that it keeps happening. There is not the same enforcement at the lower levels so old habits are brought up with them. And the reason its not enforced is because Slapshot could be a documentary film in some places. I hate to say it but its a still a good way for minor league hockey teams to sell tickets.

At least at the youth levels they are really really trying to get rid of checking from behind. They even put STOP signs in the back of jerseys. So, hopefully this will translate into a decrease in it in the future.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Butter on November 09, 2007, 01:38:55 PM
For those interested, the NHL Network has recently debuted on DirecTV.  They seem to be pretty low budget so far, but hey, it's out there for those who are hockey starved for entertainment.  Hockey has fallen off the deep end lately thanks to its lack of a deal with ESPN, maybe this will help gain some media coverage and respect back for the sport.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2007, 01:25:24 PM
Does the NHL still exist? I didn't know.

Seriously?
I've never understood the the reasoning behind posts like this. And not just hockey, any topic. Do you think anyone in this thread gives a shit if you don't want to join the discussion?
I get a kick out of making fun of the NHL. Mainly b/c it's ruined itself.
And if we really used the "do you think anyone gives a shit if you don't want to join the discussion" logic, would the message boards really exist at all?
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: LanneyD on March 12, 2008, 10:27:22 PM
So...does anyone want to talk about the Penguins trade for Hossa?  Foote forcing his way out of Columbus and playing the same night (after having rented a private jet earlier that day) to the Avalanche?
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on March 12, 2008, 10:55:24 PM
All I know is that I'm glad the Canes are winning again.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on March 13, 2008, 07:50:07 AM
So...does anyone want to talk about the Penguins trade for Hossa?  Foote forcing his way out of Columbus and playing the same night (after having rented a private jet earlier that day) to the Avalanche?
Honestly, I'm really not that big of a fan of the Hossa trade. I'm not saying Hossa won't help but I think Pittsburgh could have made a trade to help them more long term. They traded a very good prospect away for the use of Hossa for the next couple months. There is no way they will resign him in the off-season. I think they should have concentrated on going after Rob Blake personally. A veteran D man would have been a greater help in the playoffs than Hossa. Ideally they should have looked for a playoff tested goalie (I think Conklin's success has been a fluke) but there really weren't any really good options so I can't blame them for that.

As far as the Foote trade, as a kinda BlueJacket fan I am now rooting for the Avs to make the playoffs this year, because then they get their first round pick this year instead of next. The reason this is important is because this year's pool of players is loaded. It will be a very deep draft. Everyone made comments about how the salary cap has made it difficult to make trades, but I think the deep draft is even a bigger reason there weren't many big trades this year. No one wanted to give up their first round picks because of the potential to pick up a future superstar, even late in the first round.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: LanneyD on March 13, 2008, 07:24:57 PM
So...does anyone want to talk about the Penguins trade for Hossa?  Foote forcing his way out of Columbus and playing the same night (after having rented a private jet earlier that day) to the Avalanche?
Honestly, I'm really not that big of a fan of the Hossa trade. I'm not saying Hossa won't help but I think Pittsburgh could have made a trade to help them more long term. They traded a very good prospect away for the use of Hossa for the next couple months. There is no way they will resign him in the off-season. I think they should have concentrated on going after Rob Blake personally. A veteran D man would have been a greater help in the playoffs than Hossa. Ideally they should have looked for a playoff tested goalie (I think Conklin's success has been a fluke) but there really weren't any really good options so I can't blame them for that.

As far as the Foote trade, as a kinda BlueJacket fan I am now rooting for the Avs to make the playoffs this year, because then they get their first round pick this year instead of next. The reason this is important is because this year's pool of players is loaded. It will be a very deep draft. Everyone made comments about how the salary cap has made it difficult to make trades, but I think the deep draft is even a bigger reason there weren't many big trades this year. No one wanted to give up their first round picks because of the potential to pick up a future superstar, even late in the first round.

I wasn't too big of a fan of the trade either.  I like Hossa on the team (on paper) but I agree I don't know the likelyhood he'll stick around...though if he clicks with Sid et. al. he might be inclined to sign for a 2 year gig or something.  I didn't mind Christensen leaving because I thought a change of scenery would do him good, but I think Armstrong is a solid third liner they'll miss in the future.  Esposito might end up doing something, but he might just end up another Konstintin Koltsov, or Milan Kraft, or name your favorite out-of-the-NHL-Pens-former-first-round-pick.  The top pick for this year takes it over the top, even though I hope the pick is pretty late in the round.

I was talking about the Pens a few days ago, and decided I want them to give Max Talbot a 10 year, 10 million deal.  He's never going to be a high goal scorer or anything, but he's a great player for what he does.  and I think he's exactly the type of player (and attitude) this team needs. 
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on April 02, 2008, 11:07:58 PM
The hockey gods must hate me this year. First Miami loses to BC, and now the Canes lose twice in a week to Washington, allowing them to tie for the division lead. Come on Tampa Bay and Florida - beat the Caps - but let us beat you!
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: LanneyD on April 03, 2008, 10:31:35 PM
The hockey gods must hate me this year. First Miami loses to BC, and now the Canes lose twice in a week to Washington, allowing them to tie for the division lead. Come on Tampa Bay and Florida - beat the Caps - but let us beat you!

The Miami game really bummed me out (also, there is nothing "comtastic" about comcast not having ESPNU.  bitches.), so I had to listen to it on the radio.

I'd kinda like to see the Caps make it to the playoffs this year.  But....the Pens won the division!  Hooray!
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on April 03, 2008, 10:39:32 PM
Washington beat Tampa Bay tonight, so we're tied again. I think this is how it has to play out:

If Carolina can beat Florida tomorrow night, they make the playoffs - regardless of what Washington does. If we lose, and Washington loses on Saturday, the Canes are still in. If we lose, and Washington wins - the Caps are in the playoffs and we stay home.

I hate that it's literally come down to the last game of the season. Ack!
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on April 04, 2008, 11:33:12 PM
And - unless Florida pulls off the win tomorrow - we're done. :(
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on April 06, 2008, 09:56:10 AM
And - unless Florida pulls off the win tomorrow - we're done. :(
d'oh. sorry Ella
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on April 06, 2008, 02:38:33 PM
Thanks. Just a mere 2 weeks ago it seemed a forgone conclusion we'd have some post season play. I guess the injuries and illness finally won out. At least there's a nice long summer to recuperate.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: LanneyD on April 09, 2008, 08:39:38 PM
Woohoo!!!  The playoffs are on!
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on April 09, 2008, 09:16:15 PM
I'm going out on a limb here and saying Rangers over the Stars in the Finals.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on April 14, 2008, 11:58:57 PM
Someone explain to me why Sean Avery is so "clever."  I mean, hey-- there's probably no NHL rule against taking a dump in the crease or flinging feces but that doesn't mean that's how you're supposed to play the game. 
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on April 15, 2008, 07:43:27 AM
Well, I'll give him credit for one thing. He was smart enough pull that stunt in the playoffs. If he did that during the regular season, he would be missing a few more teeth. Quick story: Avery is not the first person to think of this. I had some fucko do that to me during a game in college. The ref went to the guy after the second time he did it and told him if he did it again, he would let me take a whack at him and not call it. The guy decided he would rather have children some day so that put an end to it very quickly.

I've been thinking about this since last night. I've been following hockey very closely since the early '80s and I can't think of a single time a rule was put into effect as a response to something done a day earlier.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on April 15, 2008, 11:34:11 AM
Yeah, that's my thing.  It's not like no one ever thought of this before. 

People don't do it because it's 1)  Kind of a dick move, and 2) Very unlikely to actually help your team and 3) Very likely to result in serious bodily injury. One way or the other these things work themselves out.  And any competent referee will help to make sure that happens. 

They can look the other way when someone retaliates, call you for a cheap penalty the first chance they get, or simply toss you in the box for unsportsmanlike conduct or some bogus penalty right there and you can protest all you want after the game.  If a goal goes in, you were in the crease or you were high-sticking. 

If anything, I would classify Avery as extremely stupid, albeit ballsy.  Even Drury on that play seemed to be like "uh, dude.. what are you doing?"
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on April 18, 2008, 01:23:14 AM
Man, screw the Flyers.  Partly because they're beating the Caps, but mostly because they are perhaps the dirtiest, jackassiest squad ever assembled.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Wocket on April 23, 2008, 04:14:32 AM
could you imagine avery on the flyers?
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on May 13, 2008, 08:43:53 PM
I'm going out on a limb here and saying Rangers over the Stars in the Finals.
Good call, slick.

Well, hopefully I'll be able to get two of those empty seats I see at the Joe for one of the finals games. It will be nice to see a finals game with my Pops.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: LanneyD on May 24, 2008, 10:00:33 PM
I tried to get a ticket at the Mellon Arena for either game 3 or 4, to no avail.  Oh well, probably shouldn't be spending over 100 bucks right now anyway.

Lets go Pens!
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: slow-dog on May 24, 2008, 10:07:57 PM
This is a bit late, but I was pissed during the Flyers-Pens series because my package didn't include Vs. I don't get Vs., but I get the World Fishing Network.  In HD, no less.

Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: monkey neck on May 27, 2008, 10:29:22 PM
This is a bit late, but I was pissed during the Flyers-Pens series because my package didn't include Vs. I don't get Vs., but I get the World Fishing Network.  In HD, no less.



That sucks.  I didn't realize that the playoffs were even being televised until about Game 3 of the Stars/Wings series.   I've never even heard of the Vs. network.  But I'm sure glad DirectTv has it.

The Wings defense has been awesome.  It's like they're playing with 7 guys on the ice. 
Some of the goals have been unbelievable, too.  That 3rd goal last night was pretty amazing.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: JohnnyRoyale on June 05, 2008, 12:56:51 AM
Holy Spicoli did anyone see the end of the game tonight?

MAN, I really wanted the Pens to win, especially to tie the game with less than a second left...

 :-\
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on June 05, 2008, 09:20:02 AM
That was an amazing last couple of minutes. If only that puck hadn't been knocked into the goal earlier in the game...

The last 2 games were some great hockey.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: MissKitty on June 05, 2008, 12:32:15 PM
Ok, not NHL, but hockey nonetheless (ECHL).

Anyone going to the Cyclones game tonight? They may just clinch the Kelly Cup! Yee-haw!
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on June 05, 2008, 12:45:55 PM
Ok, not NHL, but hockey nonetheless (ECHL).

Anyone going to the Cyclones game tonight? They may just clinch the Kelly Cup! Yee-haw!
I lost a hockey loving friend this year. His two favorite teams? The Red Wings and the Cyclones.

Watch the puck take a couple funny bounces to help the Cyclones win just like what happened for the Red Wings last night.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: MissKitty on June 06, 2008, 10:00:54 AM
Well the Cyclones did it - what a game!
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on October 15, 2008, 12:19:00 PM
Man, I really thought this was the year the Blackhawks turned it around.  Doesn't look like that's going to happen.  I know it's only three games and all, but they're playing like ass.  Can't score on a power play, can't score at all. 
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on October 16, 2008, 12:48:27 PM
Man, I really thought this was the year the Blackhawks turned it around.  Doesn't look like that's going to happen.  I know it's only three games and all, but they're playing like ass.  Can't score on a power play, can't score at all. 
Well good job, rva. Obviously Tallon visits this site. Savard just got fired. I hope you're proud of yourself.

While the firing does seem to come at an odd time, I think Scotty has been bending Dave's ear for awhile now. When you add up the disappointing start, the failure of the powerplay (0 for 6 last night) and the failure to motivate talented players like Cam Barker who was sent to the minors despite being the Hawks 3rd most talented defenceman, this really isn't all THAT surprising. I wonder who Scotty is endorsing for a replacement? Quinneville maybe?
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on October 16, 2008, 01:53:21 PM
It reminds me a lot of the Reds situation with Jocketty and Krivsky.  Once they brought Quenneville on board, they were either looking to junk Savard or he was at least on a very short leash.

I guess they figure it was Savard's last year, so it was either time to extend him or junk him.  And if you're leaning towards Quenneville, might as well fire him now-- especially after an awful start.  Savard could win 2 or 3 games in a row and then it would be harder to fire him, so might as well pull the trigger now.

I don't know how much of this is Savard's fault.  I didn't think he did too badly considering the talent he had for most of his tenure.  But it's also kind of tough to see what he had in his favor, other than being a Blackhawks icon as a player.  I feel kind of bad for the guy, but I mean, if you've lost confidence in him or don't like him, it's better to fire him now than leave him hanging as a lame duck coach for the rest of the season. 
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on May 21, 2009, 01:16:51 PM
I'm really enjoying this hockey season.  Partly because I'm a Caps and Blackhawks fan and it's good to see those teams doing well.  But even objectively, they're fun teams to root for.  And even though I hate the Pens, it's fun to hate them.  They're a good team.  How can you not like the Ovechkin/Crosby rivalry?

About the only minor complaint I have is that hockey is the one sport where I root for the DC team more than the Chicago team, so I kind of wish the Caps had won.  But I guess it's good that I'm not stuck with the possibility of a Caps/Blackhawks series.

Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: JohnnyRoyale on May 28, 2009, 09:00:40 PM
I'm a pretty happy Pens fan right now  :)

Although I don't think NBC should determine when they play  :/
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on May 29, 2009, 07:53:31 AM
I have a bad feeling you'll be a VERY happy Pens fan next week. It hasn't been a very good year for my teams in championship games. Miami vs. Boston U. & Cornell vs. Syracuse both ended very poorly for me. And I have a bad feeling about my Wings now that they have so many injuries.

The NBC thing is moronic.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: JohnnyRoyale on June 04, 2009, 08:49:54 PM
Seriously, this is horse shit. NBC demands they do back to back games last weekend, then don't even cover their games during the week, and now I can't watch it because I don't have cable. Not even on AM radio out here

 >:(
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Jonathan on June 05, 2009, 05:24:13 AM
I hope he'll be a happy Pens fan, because that'll mean I'm a happy Wings anti-fan.

I have a bad feeling you'll be a VERY happy Pens fan next week. It hasn't been a very good year for my teams in championship games. Miami vs. Boston U. & Cornell vs. Syracuse both ended very poorly for me.

Don't forget Missing Links vs. South Stars...  :P
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on June 05, 2009, 07:49:39 AM
Don't forget Missing Links vs. South Stars...  :P
Screw you, hippie.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Jonathan on June 05, 2009, 11:46:03 AM
It's not been a good year for you.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on June 05, 2009, 01:01:50 PM
It's not been a good year for you.
Well, sports-wise, yes.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on July 02, 2009, 08:00:37 AM
Hmmm, seems to me there should be a very happy fan in Richmond today. I'm still debating in my head if the Hossa or the Knuble signing is the more significant one to their respective teams.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Jonathan on July 02, 2009, 08:03:09 AM
Hossa. Just because I don't want it to be the Knuble signing.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on June 04, 2010, 07:52:57 AM
Wow, its been awhile since this thread got any attention. And I guess myself and the Hegemo will be the only ones who probably care about this, but the BlueJackets finally did something right this season! David Savard is going to be a STUD. He will end up being the best draft pick they have made in their franchise's history as far as value for the round he was selected.

Oh, and Chicago in 6.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on January 19, 2011, 09:04:56 PM
Overheard at sports bar, a hockey novice asks questions about Jonas Gustavsson to her angry date (wearing a Leafs jersey):

Is the goalie allowed to stop the puck?
Yes.
Oh.

And he's allowed to move around in front of the goal?
Yes.
Okay.

And he's allowed to like, use his arms and legs and not just his stick, right?
Yes.

Are they allowed to change goalies in the middle of a game?
Yes.

So.... why don't they change goalies?
Considering this is pretty much the last game he's ever going to play, I guess they figure they might as well let him finish it.

Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on June 15, 2011, 11:05:30 PM
Ha Ha!  Take that, Luongo!
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on August 31, 2011, 09:11:04 PM
Dear fellow former and current NHL goons,

You should probably make sure you have your life insurance policies up to date.

Hugs and kisses,

Stu Grimson
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on September 01, 2011, 12:05:22 AM
Wait, what happened to the Grim Reaper?  ??? :'(


Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on September 01, 2011, 07:38:24 AM
Wait, what happened to the Grim Reaper?  ??? :'(


I'm guessing it's just good advice for the Goons after Wade Belak passed away this week. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Remembering-Wade-Belak-a-true-NHL-fan-favorite;_ylt=AqqO5hXoBsgZeO5QrBGXPW57vLYF?urn=nhl-wp11553)

It's implied that he committed suicide in the article, Robbie have you heard whether that's the case?
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on September 01, 2011, 07:53:19 AM
I haven't heard exactly what has happened yet. I will be very troubled if it was suicide. Wade was a great interview and had a future ahead of him in broadcasting. And that doesn't include what appeared on the surface as a happy family life  Its very strange that there has been this rash (Probert, Boogaard and Rypien) of enforcers that have died rather prematurely. So far all three have died for different reasons (heart attack, drug overdose, suicide) so it will be interesting when the details come out. However, it could be argued in their own ways, all three suffered from mental issues. But, as far as I know, this was never the case for Belak. I guess we will find out.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on September 01, 2011, 08:22:00 AM
I haven't heard exactly what has happened yet. I will be very troubled if it was suicide. <snip> However, it could be argued in their own ways, all three suffered from mental issues. But, as far as I know, this was never the case for Belak. I guess we will find out.

I agree, it's troubling. One of the quoted tweets mentions a painkiller and that the withdrawal when a patient goes off the drug can throw them into depression. I hope that it was some sort of medical event, it would be easier for his family, friends, and fans to understand than trying to figure out why a guy who seemed to have it together would end his own life. But, if we've learned anything around here these last few months, it's that you never really know what is going on inside the mind of someone else...
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: The Hegemo on September 01, 2011, 09:28:22 AM
The Toronto Sun was reporting that it was suicide. Horribly sad.

With everything we know now about long-term effects of concussions on people's health, I was already getting squeamish about applauding hockey fights. I've always been kind of ambivalent about fighting -- I don't really buy the arguments for why it HAS to be part of the game. And I'm a big college hockey fan, where it's been all but eliminated, and I don't miss it. But, yeah, it's always been entertaining when I've been at a pro game and there is a fight. And I applaud the fighters afterward.

I know we'll never know for sure what Belak or Rypien or Boogaard had in their minds, or what led them to make the choices they did. But there seems to be more and more evidence all the time that fighting as practiced in pro hockey has serious physical and psychological consequences for the guys who do it for a living. It's very troubling.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on September 01, 2011, 10:08:34 AM
I always thought goon was a horrible job.

I feel like it's not so much the psychological damage of having to fight, but more the rest of the stuff.

Like no one grows up wanting be a goon.  I'm guessing the majority of goons were totally kick-ass hockey players in their youth.  But they really don't even get to play hockey.  A few of them get to play a real shift.  But a lot of them it's like, the only time you get in the game is when you are supposed to fight and you're expected to fight as soon as they drop the puck.  Then you go the the penalty box and that's your night.

That would suck.  And you're still having to do the crap work like travel all the time and practice and team functions, so it's not like it's easy to find fulfillment outside of work through hobbies or whatever.  And you're making a ton of money, and no one really cares if you show up for a game hungover.  So boredom+youth+too much money is a bad formula.

I guess it's also kind of messed up that you spend most of your team trying to beat up the people who you probably relate to best.  I think that's why Stu Grimson and Bob Probert became friends after they retired.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on September 01, 2011, 01:03:12 PM
I always thought goon was a horrible job.

I feel like it's not so much the psychological damage of having to fight, but more the rest of the stuff.

Like no one grows up wanting be a goon.  I'm guessing the majority of goons were totally kick-ass hockey players in their youth.  But they really don't even get to play hockey.  A few of them get to play a real shift.  But a lot of them it's like, the only time you get in the game is when you are supposed to fight and you're expected to fight as soon as they drop the puck.  Then you go the the penalty box and that's your night.

That would suck.  And you're still having to do the crap work like travel all the time and practice and team functions, so it's not like it's easy to find fulfillment outside of work through hobbies or whatever.  And you're making a ton of money, and no one really cares if you show up for a game hungover.  So boredom+youth+too much money is a bad formula.

I guess it's also kind of messed up that you spend most of your team trying to beat up the people who you probably relate to best.  I think that's why Stu Grimson and Bob Probert became friends after they retired.
Jeff Merek who hosts Hockey Night in Canada radio is a big tough guy fan so he has them on the show as much as he can. Its been interesting to hear the different takes on the job. You have some guys who would talk about not being able to fall asleep the night before because they knew they would have to fight people like Dave Brown the next day. Then you have people like Tony Twist and Tyson Nash who say they flat out liked fighting people. One thing that is common among all of them is that they all are buddies off the ice. Its definitely a fraternity.

The quote above by RVA pretty much sums up the song "Hit Somebody" from Warren Zevon's last album.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on September 01, 2011, 02:57:12 PM
Great perspective (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Bourne-Blog-Losing-your-identity-after-the-hock;_ylt=Asoetm02qMSHHS5bG96avPZ7vLYF?urn=nhl-wp11608) from a former player... and easy to relate to for those of us outside the sports world. Easy to get disillusioned and feel terrified at the propect of a life outside of whatever we've created our identity around.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on September 07, 2011, 12:48:57 PM
Ummm, I think we have enough dead hockey players for one year. So, whoever is in charge here, KNOCK IT OFF!
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: The Hegemo on September 07, 2011, 02:25:03 PM
Ummm, I think we have enough dead hockey players for one year. So, whoever is in charge here, KNOCK IT OFF!

THIS!
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on September 07, 2011, 02:29:02 PM
Seriously...
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on September 07, 2011, 09:11:39 PM
So devastating.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on October 27, 2011, 08:01:18 AM
A guy here at work has season tickets to the Bluejackets and was lamentng their putrid start. The thing he kept going back to was how bad their team has been hurt by the terrible first round picks they have made in the draft. I agreed with him at first but I wanted to check out how bad they really had done. What I discovered was that their real problem was not sucking enough to get one of the magical top 3 picks. After the first 3, the NHL draft real becomes a crap shoot.  What I did was look at who was taken right before the CBJ's pick and who was taken immediately after their pick. I didn't want to just cherry pick anyone after their pick because that's not a good gauge to determine a "screw-up" in my opinion since multiple teams then screwed-up on that player. What you will see is that besides the top three every year, it really is a crapshoot when it comes to drafting an 18 year old. What's that? Oh yes, I will agree 2003 is where CBJ really screwed the pooch. That draft was loaded, they had the #3 pick and still screwed that up. And my data will reflect that as being the one big pick they screwed up.

2000
MIN - Gaborik
CBJ - Klesla
EDM - Torres

2001
MTL - Mike Komisarek
CBJ - Leclaire
CHI - Tuomo Ruutu

2002
CBJ - Rick Nash #1 pick
ATL- Kari Lehtonen
FLA - Jay Bouwmeester

2003
FLA - Nathan Horton
CBJ - Nik Zherdev
BUF - Thomas Vanek

2004
FLA - Rostislav Olesz
CBJ - Alex Picard
EDM - Ladislav Smid

2005
MTL - Carey Price
CBJ - Gilbert Brule
CHI - Jack Skille

2006
BOS - Phil Kessel
CBJ - Derick Brassard
NYI - Kyle Okposo

2007
EDM - Sam Gagner
CBJ - Jakub Voracek
BOS - Matt Hamill

2008
TOR - Luke Schenn
CBJ - Nik Filatov
NSH - Colin Wilson

So what does it all add up to?

Pick right before CBJ: 735 goals; 99 wins
CBJ pick: 560 goals; 61 wins
Pick right after CBJ: 583 goals

So if the Jackets could have just lost 2 or 3 more games a year and moved up one pick, who knows where they may be now. But more importantly, it shows that the player they "passed over" was more often than not just as crappy as the kid they picked. The only reason the goal total is higher is because there was one extra skater since no goalie was chosen right afterward except for '02 but I wanted to use Bouwmeester's stats since he was who the Jackets were going to take if they hadn't made the trade for the #1 pick with FLA.

Now, granted this doesn't take the scouting department off the hook for the fact they have done so terrible at the rounds afterwards, but I just wanted to find out if the Jackets are in the shape they are in now because of first round failures and I now don't believe that statement is totally fair.

Just ask Minnesota.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on October 27, 2011, 12:57:09 PM
I feel like Rick Nash kinda summarizes that whole thing.  He was a #1 pick, and no one thought it was that crazy that he went #1.  OTOH, he wasn't seen to be like a once-in-a-generation player like Crosby.  The BJ's just didn't happen to be lucky enough to have the #1 pick in the right year.

And Nash is a pretty good player.  Just not a great player.  And I think he was a little unlucky with getting hurt at a bad time in his career to bad parts of his body.  Not horribly unlucky in that his injuries weren't career ending, but I personally feel like he never quite truly met his potential like if he'd been healthy.

So it's just sorta blah.  Nothing great, but nothing horrible either.  There was some bad luck involved, but not inordinate amounts.  Bad luck is part of the game.  Nash ended up being a good pick, but not a genius pick.

Which is pretty much the Blue Jackets in a nutshell.  They are the most blah NHL team ever.  You can mark them down for 80 points a year.  And I do think part of that is their fault.  They *should* be willing to suck so bad they get a top 3 pick.  In salary cap leagues, there's a skill to the whole build, go-for-it-now, blow-up-the-team, rebuild process. 

The Blue Jackets should have at some point just traded everyone who was any good for draft picks, young players and cap room, stunk it up for 1 or 2 seasons, and then have a foundation to build on.  Instead they're always an 80 point team shuffling pieces around in futile attempts to become a 90 point team... which still isn't even really that great.  It's like they always have a decent player or two, a guy who can be traded, and a little bit of cap space.  Instead of having no players and a ton of cap space or no cap space and a ton of good players.

I guess the argument that can be made is the Blue Jackets actually did do the whole building cycle thing, and really just got screwed.  Was it 2006 when they were sort of getting the buzz as playoff darkhorse and posssible up-and-comer and then Nash got hurt and missed the first half of the season?  Anyway, that kind of screwed them.  So maybe that part was bad luck.  I don't know.  It still seems to me like they should have been able to put together more than one play-off appearance since they've been around.  And really that play-off appearance was kind of sham because they got swept in the first round just like everyone knew they would.  Making the playoffs in the NHL is not a high bar.

As a general rule, I think teams are made more by their little choices than their high draft picks.  Take the Nationals.  Everyone always talks about how they have Harper and Strasburg.  But that's not genius.  Everyone in the whole world would have drafted Harper and Strasburg, their teams just didn't suck enough to get the #1 pick.  The Nationals have done some other things with other picks and stuff, so I'm not knocking them.  But Harper and Strasburg took no skill, and Harper and Strasburg and a bunch of mediocre guys is not a WS contender.

Even the biggest busts of all time-- like everyone bags on that 1992 Senators draft and Alexandre Daigle.  But at the time, everyone would have drafted him #1.  And in fact teams that didn't have the #1 pick were desperately trying to trade up to draft him.  It was a no-brainer.  You would have been fired had you NOT drafted him first. 

Isn't the rumor that the scouts supplied the list in alphabetical order instead of by preference, so after Daigle they just drafted alphabetically?  If so, I'm pretty sure that's what really killed the early Senators and showed how totally incompetent they were.  Not the Daigle miss.  It's all the talent they missed from the second round on that had good but maybe not great NHL careers and who everyone has forgotten about.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Wocket on October 27, 2011, 02:13:19 PM
You've also got to take into account being able to develop the draft picks. Scouting and developing have both been failures for the Jackets.
What sums it up for me is Filatov. They draft him first round and two years later they trade him for a third round pick. That's on the whole organization. I shrugged when they traded a first and third for Carter because Howson and Co. probably would've ruined the picks anyway.
Every year they look like a team without an identity.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on October 27, 2011, 03:02:01 PM
I think NHL GM is BY FAR the hardest GM job in sports.  It's totally impossible.  You have all deep scouting and minor league stuff that makes baseball drafts hard.  Then you have all the salary cap stuff, plus figuring out how labor agreements might fit into everything that the NBA has.  And then you have the high likelihood of catastrophic type injuries that can just wreck an entire season or a career like the NFL.

Plus it's just a freaking impossible task to construct various lines and how they should play and the chemistry between them.

I feel like I already am probably a better GM than 3/4 of NBA GM's.  I could probably be the GM of an MLB team, but I'd be mediocre.  No way in a million years could I be an NHL GM.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on October 27, 2011, 10:06:45 PM
You've also got to take into account being able to develop the draft picks. Scouting and developing have both been failures for the Jackets.
What sums it up for me is Filatov. They draft him first round and two years later they trade him for a third round pick. That's on the whole organization. I shrugged when they traded a first and third for Carter because Howson and Co. probably would've ruined the picks anyway.
Every year they look like a team without an identity.
Filatov is the most important Blue Jacket in their history. Here is why: Filatov was rushed to the NHL but Ken Hitchcock wasn't having any of that. He wasn't ready and definitely didn't play Hitchcock hockey. Well, this was Howson's first real pick and everybody was saying what a great pick it was since he was projected second or third and ended up falling and the CBJ's took advantage. So, Howson wanted to prove how great he was. Also keep in mind, Hitchcock was not a "Howson" guy, but since he was having success, there was nothing he could do. But aha! here is Scott's chance to take advantage of a chink in Kenny's armor. Hitchcock hates rookies that's why Filatov isn't playing and once the Wings swept them in the playoffs everyone kept talking about how the Wings were so much faster and a Hitchcock team will never go far, blah, blah, blah. Well, then you have the Nash injury which lead to the poor first half of the year and now Howson can replace him with the "younger thinking" Claude Noel and now Howson can rightfully claim ownership of the franchise. And so Filatov starts to get playing time and everyone sees why he was passed on originally in the draft. You can't train work ethic in the minors. He never had it and he never will.

So, Filatov changed the Blue Jackets from a team that the opposition feared playing because of the brutal forecheck of the Ken Hitchcock system, and that translated into minor success, into a team that still has zero identity and has completely ruined the career of Ken Hitchcock. It is not by accident he still isn't a coach in the NHL.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on October 27, 2011, 10:08:35 PM
Personally, I think its a tie between Columbus and Minnesota for most blah teams. I would try to decide who is more blah, but a tie seems even more fitting.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on October 27, 2011, 10:09:36 PM
Oh and one last thing. WOCKET!!!

Hope to see you around more bud.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on October 28, 2011, 01:29:48 AM
Oh and one last thing. WOCKET!!!

Hope to see you around more bud.
Seconded! I've missed seeing you online.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Wocket on October 28, 2011, 01:39:19 AM
it's been a while hasn't it? happy to be back.

I agree with you robbie. Hitch's job was in jeopardy the second Howson started shedding the vets that got them to the playoffs (Malhotra, Torres, Peca, Chimera, etc). Filatov, Voracek, Brule, Brassard, Zherdev, even Nash were all forced into roles quicker than they should have been. I think there's been a cycle with the Jackets history. Draft poorly, over pay FAs who get thrown into inappropriate roles as result of their salaries, lose, force prospects into inappropriate roles due to lack of production from said FAs, lose, fire the coach, lose/maybe moderate success, and the cycle repeats. It took Maclean how long to get fired? I hope Howson doesn't get the same leash length because Nash is going to demand a trade sooner rather than later and if that happens, kiss the fans (then the franchise) goodbye.

@ rva

while I agree the job of NHL GM has to be incredibly tough, there are some that manage to keep their clubs competitive nearly every year, Ken Holland in DET, Dean Lombardi in LA, Doug Wilson in SJ, Dave Poile in NSH (even with budget restrictions), Peter Chiarelli in BOS, George Mcphee in WAS, Ray Shero in PIT, and to a lesser extent maybe Rutherford in CAR. It may be very hard to be good and consistent but it's not impossible. You may think that success with those guys are tied to big spending but consider the fact that CBJs had the 5th highest payroll to start the season. Dallas who has the lowest payroll is 7-3 currently. As they say, you can't make the playoffs in October but you can miss them.
Either way, I think the only GM who has done worse for a team in recent memory than the Maclean/Howson sadness tandem, is Don Waddell. You know you're the worst when you manage your team into the toilet and out of the city.

Oh and the jackets lost again tonight.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on November 03, 2011, 12:52:29 PM
So... anyone have any predictions for this season?

I do not think it will be the Blackhawks or the Capitals winning it, which kind of sucks since they are my two favorite teams.

I think it's going to be the Flyers.  I don't know why.  I just have that feeling.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on November 03, 2011, 01:02:14 PM
So... anyone have any predictions for this season?

I do not think it will be the Blackhawks or the Capitals winning it, which kind of sucks since they are my two favorite teams.

I think it's going to be the Flyers.  I don't know why.  I just have that feeling.
If Crosby comes back, the Penguins will be unstoppable. Hell, they may win it all without him.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on November 03, 2011, 01:09:02 PM
I hope I'm wrong, but I think Crosby's done. 
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Dan on November 03, 2011, 01:31:56 PM
I hope I'm wrong, but I think Crosby's done. 

I know very little about hockey, but from what I've heard it sounds like this is the case. I hope for everyone's sake that he will be able to safely return.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: rva on November 03, 2011, 02:36:37 PM
I have watched the two Crosby hits a million times, and I still can't see how either of those were dirty.

I think Steckel never saw him.  Or if he did, it was too late to either avoid the collision or to make an adjustment to nail him exactoperfectly on the head.

Hedman was probably late on his "collision" and I think he got properly called for boarding.  But he's obviously just trying to pinch Crosby against the boards for a second to take him out of the play, and because sometimes bouncing off a guy is easier than trying to stop and turn.  There's no elbows out or arms going forward to shove Crosby.  He's not leaving his feet or lowering a shoulder.  If anything, Hedman is already pulling up when he hits him.

If Crosby isn't already concussed I doubt he gets hurt, and no one would think anything of that play.  It would just be your standard 2 minute minor for boarding.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Wocket on November 21, 2011, 08:01:16 AM
Crosby is coming back tonight as the Isles. Pens could very well be the cup favorites now, if Sid can keep his brain in his head.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on November 22, 2011, 07:18:42 AM
Crosby is coming back tonight as the Isles. Pens could very well be the cup favorites now, if Sid can keep his brain in his head.
Well, he kept his head and that game was a bloodbath.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on November 23, 2011, 10:43:16 AM
Poolio,

Do your Sabres wuss out again tonight? Maybe Tyler Myers could just eat Bergeron. Just unhinge his jaw on the ice and swallow him whole. THAT would send a message.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: iconoclast420 on November 23, 2011, 10:48:10 PM
Maybe Tyler Myers could just eat Bergeron. Just unhinge his jaw on the ice and swallow him whole. THAT would send a message.

He would have to catch him first.

I bought $165 worth of Bruins Stanley Cup swag this summer, my 1972 stuff was getting lonely.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on December 05, 2011, 10:56:47 PM
Four divisions?!
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: iconoclast420 on December 06, 2011, 11:16:44 PM
Four divisions?!

I don't like it, Rangers, Islanders, Devils should be in C, Preds, Panthers and Bolts in D, at least that way the East & West would have the same number of teams.

Conf. A (ANA, CGY, COL, EDM, LAK, PHX, SJS, VAN)
Conf. B (CHI, CBJ, DAL, DET, MIN, NSH, STL, WPG)
Conf. C (BOS, BUF, FLA, MON, OTT, TBL, TOR)
Conf. D (CAR, NJD, NYI, NYR, PHI, PIT, WSH)
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on December 07, 2011, 11:54:47 AM
I love the PatrickPlusOne Conference.  I'm reasonably happy with the SortofNorris Conference.  The other two conferences are pants.  But since I really don't care too much about any of those teams, I guess I'm cool with it overall.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on December 08, 2011, 12:49:50 PM
I love the new set-up. And for the more recent NHL fans, you'll soon understand how us older fans hold a burning hate for other teams, now that the playoffs go back to how they used to be. When its the same goddamn team that beats you every goddamn year you tend to hold a grudge that will NEVER go away.

Very few things are as pure as true hate.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: The Hegemo on December 12, 2011, 02:38:24 PM
As a CBJ fan, I'm happy with it for cutting down on the late night games. Glad that we maintain Nashville in the divis - er, conference, since they're both a decent rival and a really fun road trip for fans. And maybe someday the Detroit rivalry will be a little less one-sided and more meaningful.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: notoriouspbake on December 14, 2011, 12:34:05 PM
As a CBJ fan, I'm happy with it for cutting down on the late night games. Glad that we maintain Nashville in the divis - er, conference, since they're both a decent rival and a really fun road trip for fans. And maybe someday the Detroit rivalry will be a little less one-sided and more meaningful.

yeah, sorry about that. columbus is a nice drive and guaranteed win. glad we're in the same div.. conf.. whatever.

wings: wins 10 of last 12. seems we're hot or cold this season. and how is howard snubbed for the all star game balloting?
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on December 14, 2011, 01:19:40 PM
and how is howard snubbed for the all star game balloting?
James Reimer is the top vote getter for any goalie. 'nuff said
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on December 30, 2011, 11:21:52 AM
After watching an in-between period interview Columbus' John Moore, I am even more convinced if they reduce the size of the equipment, especially the NFL style shoulder pads, it will decrease the amount of concussions. He looked like David Byrne in the oversized white suit from Stop Making Sense. 
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Dan on December 30, 2011, 07:40:32 PM
I went to my first NHL game in 8 years yesterday! If I wasn't sick we might have stayed until the end, too.

The Islanders don't look like much, but neither does Calgary, and honestly I don't know what I'm looking for anyway. The only name I recognized was Iginla.

Carry on...
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on December 30, 2011, 11:38:01 PM
Calgary vs the Islanders?!? Please accept my condolences. Can I at least pay for the therapy you're going to need? Yeesh. I hope you were paid for your time there. Personally, I would say that its still 8 years and counting.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Dan on December 31, 2011, 12:15:55 AM
Ouch. What we saw was that bad, huh?
Tickets were free at least.
Plus, there's something entertaining about the philistine nature of Islander fans.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on February 21, 2012, 09:07:19 AM
Just thinking out loud here...

Nash for Richards and Bernier.

LA gets the scoring it desperately needs and gets rid of a horribly underachieving Richards. Columbus gets its goalie and reunites Richards and Carter recreating the chemistry they had the 2 previous seasons. The mythical win - win trade for both sides.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on February 27, 2012, 09:19:28 PM
Oh my god, Scott Howson is such a moron. That has to be second stupidest thing a GM has ever said behind only Al Campanis. Why would you blame the player AFTER the trade deadline. Just shut the fuck up. Its been no comment until now, why change course?

If the BlueJacket ownership gave even the tiniest dingleberry of a shit, they would fire him tonight. But they don't and they won't.

Jesus Christ, what an idiot. He is officially the laughingstock of the league. Even Doug M. wouldn't have done anything THAT dumb.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on February 28, 2012, 07:28:54 AM
Why would you blame the player AFTER the trade deadline. Just shut the fuck up. Its been no comment until now, why change course?
Easy. He knew he would catch hell for whatever he did yesterday. He KNEW it. So, naturally, he desperately tries to shift the blame. I do wonder if this was some hamfisted attempt to set something up for an off-season trade. Howson has never struck me as a particularly savvy GM.

Will he lose his job? No. Has he lost his credibility in the league? Meh, he's been riding the sinking ship that is the Blue Jackets for so long I don't think he had much to start with.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on February 28, 2012, 07:46:24 AM
But all he has done by doing this is create a poison atmosphere with the fans and Nash that wasn't there before. There were signs before the Pittsburgh game (in Pittsburgh!!) showing the fans support of Nash. Those won't be there anymore. And you've now lost some leverage for what you can get.

But the offseason is moot for Howson. He won't make it to July 1st.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: The Hegemo on February 28, 2012, 07:52:23 AM
Oh my god, Scott Howson is such a moron. That has to be second stupidest thing a GM has ever said behind only Al Campanis. Why would you blame the player AFTER the trade deadline. Just shut the fuck up. Its been no comment until now, why change course?

If the BlueJacket ownership gave even the tiniest dingleberry of a shit, they would fire him tonight. But they don't and they won't.

Jesus Christ, what an idiot. He is officially the laughingstock of the league. Even Doug M. wouldn't have done anything THAT dumb.

Yup yup yup. Completely ridiculous on Howson's part. He should be gone. Just hope McConnell comes to his senses and dumps Howson well before the draft, so they can start the rebuild under a new GM.

I'm curious to see how the fans react to Nash tonight.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on February 28, 2012, 07:54:48 AM
I see that there's nothing on ESPN's front page about the trade deadline, but Howson's idiotic statement is there.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on February 28, 2012, 08:41:03 AM
But all he has done by doing this is create a poison atmosphere with the fans and Nash that wasn't there before. There were signs before the Pittsburgh game (in Pittsburgh!!) showing the fans support of Nash. Those won't be there anymore. And you've now lost some leverage for what you can get.

But the offseason is moot for Howson. He won't make it to July 1st.
This time yesterday I would have said that he wasn't completely responsible for the poisonous atmosphere. Today, however, I totally agree with you. He's whizzed it down his leg. I don't think that he'll lose his job because I am not sure that the suits in the Blue Jackets' office really give a damn.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on February 28, 2012, 12:27:20 PM
I do think it's a pretty lame move when players are like "I demand a trade.... but only to these five teams!"
And it's not like it was some huge secret Nash wanted to go.

Plus, I think Nash to his semi-credit will play the same no matter what happens (hard, but disappointingly) so bad-mouthing him doesn't really do that much damage.  And the team sucks anyway.  It could conceivably make other players less likely to want to play for the Blue Jackets and/or Howson but I think the desire level was already at 0.

I guess what I'm saying is yeah it was stupid, but in the end it doesn't matter because the Bluejackets are at rock bottom already.  It was just confirmation of what everybody already knew.  I would hope that Howson continues to say stupid-ass shit over the rest of the season, because it may finally force someone's hand to fire him.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on February 28, 2012, 09:03:32 PM
He negotiated a no-trade clause in his contract for this exact reason. The CBJ management agreed to it, so Rick Nash has every right to use it in my opinion.

I don't agree that it was public knowledge that Rick Nash is the one who asked to be traded. And that's because up until yesterday everyone played the no comment game like they were supposed to do.

I do agree that it won't affect his game very much, but it has taken away a little leverage for trading. Even more importantly however, Columbus seems like just that much more of a place no free-agent in his right mind will go. Who would trust that moron to play for in the GM's office? You were wrong about rock bottom, they are subterranean.

Dear Mr McConnell,
Anytime one of your players has to have a press conference because of something your GM did, FIRE THE GM!!! Those kids in the stands aren't wearing Howson jerseys with posters of him signing a contract on their wall.

I don't even know why I'm getting so worked up about this in the first place. I'm Red Wings fan first and foremost. I should be happy one of the teams in their division is so bad.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on February 29, 2012, 08:19:02 AM
I don't even know why I'm getting so worked up about this in the first place. I'm Red Wings fan first and foremost. I should be happy one of the teams in their division is so bad.
I know why. Because this sort of stupidity is mind-boggling and because, unlikely as it may be, Columbus is a pretty good hockey town and the Jackets front office isn't doing the players or fans justice by pulling crap like this.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on February 29, 2012, 10:55:07 AM
He negotiated a no-trade clause in his contract for this exact reason. The CBJ management agreed to it, so Rick Nash has every right to use it in my opinion.

Sure.  I don't have a problem with him using the terms of his contract.  But from a practical perspective, it's a little silly to demand a trade and then use your no-trade protection.

You are a very good but not great NHL player having an off-season where there might be some legitimate concern as to whether you've got much left in the tank.  You are demanding a mid-season trade which makes it harder for both the trading team and interested trades to make roster adjustments.  And then you insist that it has to be one of five teams.

At that point, why even make the request?  It's not going to happen.  It leads to rumors and stuff which then puts pressure on the GM, which if your GM isn't smart, then leads to this.  It's much smarter just to keep quiet and make the move during the offseason.

I think there's widespread agreement that while Howson may have handled parts of this terribly, he did the right thing by not trading him. Nash and his agent should have seen this as well, and not asked for something that they were never going to get.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: iconoclast420 on March 19, 2012, 10:48:37 PM
Nothing like boxing night at MSG.

iIlLbJHKw8M
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on March 20, 2012, 01:38:24 PM
I've never understood why people get so outraged over appointment fights.  I think those are the only fights you should be allowed to have.

Everyone on both teams, the refs, and the fans knew what was going to happen and both teams put their goons out there to fight each other.  It was all very choreographed. People tend not get hurt in those fights because no one really cares anymore. It's all a show.

And to the extent that it looks really silly, well... that's why allowing players to fight at any time is kind of a dumb idea.  But if you're gonna fight, it should be all pre-arranged, and fair like that. 
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on April 08, 2012, 12:44:30 PM
All right Columbus, fire Howson, pick Nail and convince Nash to stay by hiring a GM with a REAL hockey background. Hopefully with some scouting experience.

It was nice to see a win in person for the first time in a couple years and have a decent hockey conversation to the Islanders fan next to me.

Let's see, how about Pens over Vancouver. With the big upset of San Jose over St Louis.

Looking forward to the rebirth of the Quebec Nordiques next year.

Fuck Boston College.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on April 09, 2012, 10:02:01 AM
Rick Nash is a good player and I like him and all, but wouldn't Columbus be better off just letting him go?  Just blow up the team and just start all over.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: cyclone on April 09, 2012, 11:59:38 AM
I disagree with the notion that Nash is a very good but not "great" player.  Typically he's perceived as being overvalued only by those in larger markets who rarely see the Blue Jackets play, or who have never seen him in International Play.  He's a premiere talent who has been crippled by the lack of talent surrounding him in Columbus.  So when you just take a look at his statlines and he's struggling to stay at a PPG or fails to notch 70 pts, you have to remember that he's been stuck in a CBJ era where his linemates included the likes of Manny Malhotra at center.  And no, Nash is not the type of elite caliber player like a Crosby who will actively make his supporting cast score goals, but then again, very few are.  It's impossible to not look at Nash's career in the context of CBJ being the most mis-managed team in the league for years now.  Take a look at their all-time roster up to this point and you're going to get some absolutely pathetic results.  Even in recent years when you're counting on guys like Antoine Vermette to be the top caliber goal-scorer after Nash, you're in serious trouble.

On a personal level I hope Nash finally goes somewhere where he can player with a legitimate center and easily crank 90+ points.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on April 09, 2012, 12:31:08 PM
I don't think Crobsy could score 90 points with any center in the league other than a healthy Sidney Crosby.  Which I don't know is really a criticsm of him; he's not really that kind of player.

I feel like "great" is something like top 10 in the game overall or the top player at your position.  Nash is neither of those things.  He's in that 2nd tier, kinda like Patrick Kane. 
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on April 09, 2012, 12:42:01 PM
I agree with you on the Patrick Kane comparrison. You also don't trade away Patrick Kane.

It is REALLY hard to score goals in the NHL and a guy who can score 30 every year with nothing helping him is a commodity you need to hold onto. My main problem right now with blowing the team up by trading Nash is that with Howson and Priest in charge, they'll just get a bunch of picks that they will screw up. If a new management team is in place then I would consider it.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on April 11, 2012, 08:44:34 PM
No D Sedin? Now I have no idea. I'll go waaaaayyyyy out on a limb and say SJ vs. the Pens. Pens still win. Blech.

Honestly, I could make a case for every team in the West winning the conference
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on April 13, 2012, 12:51:56 AM
I watched the sports report on my local news station today.  The stories were, in order:

1)  Richmond Squirrels opening night with video of game and several interviews.
2)  NBA round-up with highlights of Bulls-Heat
3)  Larry Sanders ejected from Bucks game (because Sanders went to VCU)
4)  Report from William and Mary spring football practice (because VCU has no football team)
5)  Baseball round up with Nationals highlight.

6)  ...And in the NHL tonight, the Capitals lost.

Seriously, that was it.  No highlights, no stats, no mention of any other games, no mention of the score in the Caps game, no mention of why the game might be particularly important.  Pretty much "...the Capitals lostandnowbacktoyou"

I just feel like it's totally random who will win this year.  Some team will get lucky with injuries and their goalie will got hot and that's the team that will win.  All i know is when something like this occurs, the Flyers always win the East and lose in the Finals. 
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on April 15, 2012, 06:00:54 PM
Dear God... this Pens-Flyers game is nuts. Game 4 is going to be crazy.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on April 15, 2012, 07:30:09 PM
You know those Flyers... there's always "chippy."

Although to be fair, the Penguins were the ones playing cheap and dirty, so I can't blame Philly for getting in some fights.  Crosby was acting like a baby, and that James Neal shot looked like blatant headhunting to me.  He totally saw Couturier, knew he wasn't looking and wasn't near the puck, lined him up and purposely launched into Couturier's head.  You could tell pretty much that entire shift he was looking for someone to cheapshot. And then he tried to do it again to Giroux.  I think he needs at least a 15 game suspension.

I knew the Flyers were going to beat the Penguins.  They're just really good at being physical and dirty but while also being really good at hockey.  
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on April 16, 2012, 07:41:50 AM
You know those Flyers... there's always "chippy."
And the refs lost control midway through the second period and never got it back. They should have just sent Neal to the showers instead of giving him 2 minutes, leaving him on the ice was just asking for more trouble after his stupid hits.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on April 18, 2012, 10:48:17 AM
This is getting ridiculous. 

I'll be the first to say that Brendan Shanahan has a really, really tough job.  But he still sucks at it.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on April 18, 2012, 12:44:51 PM
His major problem is that he has lost all credibility with the players. The interview with Toews said it all. JT was asked what he thought the punishment for Torres would be and he just kinda shrugged and said he had no idea since he doesn't understand how they decide anything. The use of the extent of the injury just can't be considered and that's what they have been doing. One opinion I have that won't be popular is that now that the precedent has been set, they have to stay consistant for the rest of these playoffs and continue to be lenient. Don't start changing halfway through.

However, Torres is a REPEAT offender so I could see a Matt Cooke type of suspension here. That is one thing that Shanahan has emphasized through his explanations. For the most part, these have been first time offenders so far (Neal, Hagelin, Weber, etc) so I could see the hammer being dropped hard for this case.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on April 18, 2012, 01:20:50 PM
I think the precedent being set is that every once in a while a random, non-star will get a freakishly long punishment so it looks like the NHL doing something.  Everyone else who is famous, important or delivers a nice highlight reel hit should feel free to destroy whoever they want.

I'm not saying Shaw's hit was clean, but it was more reckless than malicious.  And yes, you should still get suspended for that.  But James Neal delivered TWO headshots that were intentionally malicious in a game filled with headhunting.  And Shaw's record and reputation are much cleaner than Neal's. 

If Shaw gets three games, then Torres should get at least 5 games, or maybe this series and the next.  But I bet he won't.  So the rest of the series is going to be stupid.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: euro60 on April 18, 2012, 10:49:57 PM
Dear God... this Pens-Flyers game is nuts. Game 4 is going to be crazy.
More crazy that you ever imagined... wow. Still can't see the Pens winning the next 3 games.

I'm not a huge hockey fan (and def not a connaiseur) but I really enjoy flipping channels as these 1st round play-off games are going on... so much action! Reminds me of the first weekend of the NCAA bball tournament in a way. Just a lot of fun.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on April 19, 2012, 07:33:50 AM
Dear God... this Pens-Flyers game is nuts. Game 4 is going to be crazy.
More crazy that you ever imagined... wow. Still can't see the Pens winning the next 3 games.

Yeah, I think they may be able to pull out another game but they may have shot their wad last night. Although, the atrocious Flyers goalkeeping gives them a shot at managing to pull themselves out of the tailspin.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on April 22, 2012, 06:12:39 PM
Okay, so Raffi Torres got 25 games. Agree? Disagree? Does this do anything to cement Shanahan's power/credibility? (I sure don't)

I thought he'd get a double digit suspension but 25 games was a surprise. Although, given his history as a very dirty player I don't think it's a undeserved suspension. I'm not sure if the uneven and random suspensions will keep other dirty players in line.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: notoriouspbake on April 22, 2012, 08:56:50 PM
when shea weber doesn't get suspended for throwing zetterberg's head into the glass, that just marginalizes the "justice" of the nhl. how that violent act doesn't get any discipline just makes no sense.

i have a hard time believing any player wants to injure another player, so i'd characterize torres hit as terribly reckless. players still need to be held accountable for their actions. 25 games? seems extreme. at this point, i don't know that i care that much about suspensions, it all seems so random to me. stars get a free pass (weber this year, malkin a few years ago) while the drone players who make a questionable hit get a suspension.

and yeah, i'm a wings fan - but kudos to the preds. they were the better team, they made fewer mistakes and capitalized on the mistakes the wings made. rinne was incredible in goal. congrats to nashville.

thank god the flyers took the pens out.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on April 23, 2012, 07:22:48 AM
I think, like everywhere else, there are players who really don't care whether they hurt somebody bad enough that they are out of the game. But, I honestly don't think the unevenness of the suspensions/fines/etc... is any different this year than in past years. The difference is that the league is making verbal attempts to minimize the dirty and injury-causing plays but without consistent penalties they're just spitting in the wind.

thank god the flyers took the pens out.
I have an irrational hatred of the flyers so I take the opposite view of that series.  ;)
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on April 26, 2012, 12:18:19 AM
I do not understand white-out pads.  The crease is light blue.  Why are you wearing white?  If you want to blend in, wear light blue pads.   And paint some lines on it so people get all confused as to where the crease and goal is.  Like is poorly painted camouflage really the right strategy?  Why not some attention-getting or discombobulating action where instead disguising your pads you highlight them instead?  Like-- here are my pads, please shoot directly at them.

And if technology has advance to the point where we can have batteries and electronics and shizz to power cameras, why not take advantage of it?  Like I want a mask with a huge LED so it will blind whoever is shooting.  Or maybe some kind of plastic color shifting material that takes the data from the camera and warps your mask/pad coloring  accordingly for maximum impact.  If nothing else, it could make some kind of hypnotizing swirly pattern.  Moving things are always more distracting. Maybe something that shoots dry ice smog when activated.

I mean seriously-- it's 2012 and air-brushed Led Zeppelin ZOSO masks are the best we can do?  Really?

I'm just saying.  They have like crazy laser shows and bikini clad ice sweepers going on at hockey games.  The arena managers know how to distract attention.  Take advantage of it.  I mean, it's kind of stupid and childish and they will undoubtedly pass some rules against stuff like that but why not push the envelope/
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: MaxieWOXY on April 27, 2012, 02:13:59 PM
I do not understand white-out pads.  The crease is light blue.  Why are you wearing white?  If you want to blend in, wear light blue pads.   And paint some lines on it so people get all confused as to where the crease and goal is.  Like is poorly painted camouflage really the right strategy?  Why not some attention-getting or discombobulating action where instead disguising your pads you highlight them instead?  Like-- here are my pads, please shoot directly at them.




Because the boards, and the ice behind and around the net, are generally white.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on April 28, 2012, 10:54:30 AM
So, if Phoenix wins the cup, does Bettman congratulate himself at the trophy presentation? Does each owner pass it back and forth to each other?

And while I'm suggesting stupid stuff, how about one game of the Phoenix and Nashville game be played in Pittsburgh and make the Jim Bassille series complete.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: cyclone on January 16, 2013, 12:58:03 PM
The Blue Jackets are going to be so bad.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: jcarwash31 on January 16, 2013, 01:42:03 PM
I'm a pretty casual hockey fan, but it's hard not to get excited about Parise and Suter.  I hope the Wild can get things clicking before this abbreviated season gets too far along.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Homsar on January 16, 2013, 03:54:32 PM
The Blue Jackets are going to be so bad.
Too bad about the Blue Jackets.  I went up to a game every now and then a couple years ago.  Vyborny was my favorite.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: cyclone on January 16, 2013, 08:28:34 PM
It's the beginning of the post-Rick Nash era, it was inevitable a long time ago that whenever that day came it would be a "lost year" so to speak.  It's just a shame that due to the division they play in (I can hear arguments for the Atlantic, but I still say the Central is the league's toughest division) what was already an uphill battle had to be that much steeper.  Best case scenario for CBJ, at least two of the young players acquired in the Nash trade take an objectively significant step forward (and I kind of feel like Anisimov and Dubinsky will) for building a foundation for the future.  I like the addition of Faligno too, and I do believe that Atkinson could put up big numbers if they get him on the right line. The team obviously isn't going to score many goals, but I do think their defense matches up against anyone in the division or even league for that matter.  And so the big question mark for whether or not it'll be a complete disaster will be goaltending.  I never really saw enough of Bobrovsky with the Flyers to comment.  I've been keeping an eye on training camp and I'm still not really clear about the Bobrovsky/Mason competition ... I'd be pretty disappointed if Bobrovsky didn't start the season as the no. 1 or at the very least not in a tandem. 
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: cyclone on January 16, 2013, 08:40:50 PM
I also think it's amazing that David Desharnais will start the season with the Habs, potentially even centering their top line.  Desharnais was a Cyclone in 07/08, and he absolutely dominated the ECHL as they won the Kelly Cup, putting up 106 points.  Heard a lot of chatter that he wouldn't make it in the NHL due to his size (5'7).
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: MaxieWOXY on January 16, 2013, 09:50:12 PM
The Blue Jackets are going to be so bad.

Odds are you are right, but I wouldn't say it is as much of a given as most people think it is.

Over the last couple years, each and every time the Jackets called up a lot of players and went with a younger line-up, they played much better. Can it be sustained? That's the question.

I strongly feel that established players are a big part of the problem with the losing culture in Columbus. In my opinion, those players see easy money here without the pressure they would face in a "real" hockey city. They aren't under a microscope in this college town like they would be elsewhere. It's almost like they come here to kick back and lay low a bit because the expectations are not the same. The only way I see it ever changing is a serious youth movement that creates a winning product.

Still, you have to wonder where in the heck the goals are going to come from this year.  :-\
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: cyclone on January 16, 2013, 10:52:18 PM
Odds are you are right, but I wouldn't say it is as much of a given as most people think it is.

Like I touched on, I think a lot of it is the division ... makes it a lot more difficult to stay optimistic.  I don't think we'll see a repeat of the Central sending four teams to the playoffs again, but I do think there are still three potential Cup candidates in the division (with the Blackhawks being my choice if I had to pick one today).  Despite my comment about them being bad I think my post took a rather optimistic assessment of the season, honestly ... as you said with your last point, there's no ignoring that offensively there is just a severe lack of talent.  However, there is hope in not letting as many goals in, I just see it more as a hypothetical.  As I said before, I think the defense will be fine and perhaps even realistically solid.  But they will need great goaltending, and hopefully Bobrovsky will at the very least give them better results than Mason has after his rookie season. But even if he has a stellar season, it's going to be hard to make up for the lack of firepower.  It's a developmental season.

I get what you're saying regarding the whole veterans thing, though.  I think it's safe to say that they have fully embraced the youth movement this year though (even if they did so out of necessity).  It feels very similar to a baseball rebuilding stage the season after a firing sale with finally trading Nash.  Off the top of my head there can't be too many players over 30, though they did bring Adrian Aucoin in to be a "mentor" to the younger defensemen.  It is definitely troublesome to realize that Vinny Prospal was one of your best offensive players a year ago.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: cyclone on January 28, 2013, 09:22:43 PM
Dang, 10,475 at Nationwide tonight.

You're going to want to see the highlight reel save from Dallas's Kari Lehtonen.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on January 29, 2013, 08:31:45 AM
Dang, 10,475 at Nationwide tonight.
Well, at least the beer lines won't be long when I go on Saturday night...
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: cyclone on January 30, 2013, 01:51:07 AM
Well, at least the beer lines won't be long when I go on Saturday night...

To be fair, it was a Monday night game (and the shortened season, etc).  Not that 10K isn't really, really bad for an NHL game, but still. I would expect weekend games to still be decent for a while, and for Saturday, Detroit always brings in a ton of fans.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: cyclone on February 05, 2013, 09:32:49 PM
I strongly feel that established players are a big part of the problem with the losing culture in Columbus. In my opinion, those players see easy money here without the pressure they would face in a "real" hockey city. They aren't under a microscope in this college town like they would be elsewhere. It's almost like they come here to kick back and lay low a bit because the expectations are not the same.

Never has this sentiment rang truer than the start of this season by RJ Umberger.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: cyclone on February 12, 2013, 10:46:04 PM
Scott Howson finally gets the ax.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on February 14, 2013, 11:50:06 PM
I'm a haphazard hockey fan - thus my lack of posting in the thread. However, I've attended more Canes games than any other major league professional sports team (and second only the the Carolina RailHawks, our local NASL team for professional sporting events). I went to a couple of games in Greensboro before the arena in Raleigh was finished in 2000, and I generally make it to a couple of games each year. I did watch almost every playoff game in 2002 (when Bates was on the third line), although I only went to games in the first and second rounds. In 2006, I went to a first round game and then went again for Game 1 of the Stanley Cup finals, which is one of the best sporting events I've ever been to.

So the Canes are really on a roll now, which is awesome! I know - the Southeast division isn't that challenging - but good things happen in the playoffs when we finish at the top.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on February 20, 2013, 06:36:19 PM
I gotta say, I am sorry to see Lindy Ruff go but it was definitely time to make a change. Rolston's done good things in Rochester so hopefully he can turn things around.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: cyclone on February 20, 2013, 07:39:48 PM
I did watch almost every playoff game in 2002 (when Bates was on the third line), although I only went to games in the first and second rounds. In 2006, I went to a first round game and then went again for Game 1 of the Stanley Cup finals, which is one of the best sporting events I've ever been to.

I got to see a lot of the Canes players from this era when they were in the minors with the Cyclones (back then they were in the now-defunct International Hockey League ... a current IHL exists, but the old one was the league right under the NHL like the AHL is now) and thus I've always had a soft spot for them.  Erik Cole had a couple of great years, Shane Willis had a monster year, Niclas Wallin Nik Tsleios, David Tanabe ... and I'm probably forgetting a few as well. 
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: euro60 on February 20, 2013, 10:26:11 PM
not to divert from the NHL discussion, but Cyclone are you still involved (directly or indirectly) with the current Cincinnati Cyclones? Just curious. I used to go to their games regularly for many years with my son and of course was there for the incredible 2008 and 2010 playoff runs. But haven't been in quite a while. Just can't seem to find the interest anymore.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: cyclone on February 20, 2013, 11:24:22 PM
not to divert from the NHL discussion, but Cyclone are you still involved (directly or indirectly) with the current Cincinnati Cyclones? Just curious. I used to go to their games regularly for many years with my son and of course was there for the incredible 2008 and 2010 playoff runs. But haven't been in quite a while. Just can't seem to find the interest anymore.

Not nearly as much as I used to be.  I was practically a season ticket holder (without actually being one) the first 4 or so seasons they came back, but I haven't gone nearly as often for going on 3 seasons now.  Not for any specific reason, just with life circumstances I can't afford to go that often these days.  The team has underperformed under the current head coach who was brought in to replace Chuck Weber (whom they won the two Championships under).  This is his third year, they lost in the first round of the playoffs and then missed out on the playoffs last year (and there are only a few ECHL teams that usually miss out on playoff sports).  They are currently in first place this year with a little over a month left so we will see how they fare this year.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on February 22, 2013, 12:35:04 PM
http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=203978

Amazing assist that I missed the chance to see live last night.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: cyclone on March 10, 2013, 07:59:43 PM
Never thought I'd see the day that CBJ would sweep the season series against Detroit.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: cyclone on March 14, 2013, 04:04:24 PM
The league's division realignment sends the Jackets to the "new" Atlantic Division so to speak, along with the new additions of both Carolina and Washington as well, that leaves the following as the original Atlantic of the Penguins, Devils, Rangers, Islanders and Flyers. 

At the moment I think I love this.  They move East and get away from a decade of playing predominantly Midwest teams and into a rather exciting division from my perspective as I grew up a Pens fan and have also always been fond of the Canes.  I also said coming into this season that I thought the Central Division was the best division in the NHL given that all four of the other teams made the playoffs last year and Chicago was my Stanley Cup pick, so despite the fact that the new division is expanded by three teams and two of which are currently in first place (don't have enough time to get into the new playoff format as well) we'll have to see how it works out.  I can't say I'll miss frequently seeing teams like Detroit and Nashville all that much in the future.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: notoriouspbake on March 14, 2013, 11:32:26 PM
(http://2.cdn.nhle.com/nhl/images/upload/2013/03/realign_img.jpg)
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: cyclone on April 03, 2013, 04:44:36 PM
That Gaborik trade sure was unexpected.

My initial thought is that it is definitely an overpay by the CBJ, but that's really no surprise.  I have never been the biggest fan of either Brassard or Dorsett so the trade doesn't bother me all that much.  Brassard is a nice piece to have, but it's pretty evident at this point that he isn't likely to live up to his potential as a prospect.  Dorsett, I'm generally fond of gritty players with a bit of offensive talent, but he was totally overmatched being on one of the top lines with the Jackets.  Moore is a big loss to the blue line, I think.  Looks like Mason is gone as well, I basically predicted that he would be dealt at the deadline before the season.

The big question is whether or not they have built a team that can allow Gaborik to be that 35-40 goal scorer with a winning team, a la the opposite of what ended up happening with Nash.  I really like how the return on the Nash trade has developed this year, Anisimov could be great paired with the right line. 
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on May 03, 2013, 09:21:53 PM
meh... that should not be a two game suspension.  In fact, it shouldn't even be a penalty.

He didn't leave his feet.  He really didn't even launch into the check.  He leads with the hip, the shoulder is down, the elbows are down. 

MacLean is dead right.  That was a ridiculously awful pass whose only outcome would be either Eller skating face first into Gryba's shoulder, Gryba being forced to allow a sloppy, slow pass to go by him right in the center of the rink resulting in an odd man rush, or Eller deciding not to go for the pass and allowing the Senators to score.

You can't legislate hockey to eliminate the risk of injury on those plays.  They're called "suicide" passes for a reason.  In soccer it's a "hospital" pass.  Same principle.  Everyone knows what happens.  If you want to eliminate serious injuries, teach your players not to make stupid passes that more or less force the intended receiver to skate face first into a defenseman.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: notoriouspbake on May 04, 2013, 12:16:09 AM
great win in ot for the wings! now to take care of business at the joe.

van v sharks is getting a bit nasty, and tommy wingels, miami alum, is playing well for the sharks.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on May 04, 2013, 01:14:13 AM
You were happy with an OT win after leading by three goals midway through the third?   

Although I guess as a #7 seed you take them any way you can.  And it was away, too.  So yeah, maybe all in all it was a good win.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: notoriouspbake on May 04, 2013, 09:45:47 AM
You were happy with an OT win after leading by three goals midway through the third?   

Although I guess as a #7 seed you take them any way you can.  And it was away, too.  So yeah, maybe all in all it was a good win.

happy with any win in the playoffs. i thought they were dead in the water and not going to make the playoffs, so an away win is a good thing.

van can't seem to win at home, giving up the ot winner to the sharks on a beauty of a 2 on 1 break.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: notoriouspbake on May 13, 2013, 09:55:11 PM
wings advance! i stayed up until the end of the 2nd. even though we were up 3-1, figured a late third period meltdown would lead to ot.

and the leafs up 4-1 in game seven? what's going on in the nhl?
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on May 20, 2013, 11:21:53 PM
I did not see the Blackhawks losing this series.  AT ALL.  I didn't even see the Blackhawks losing a single game in this series.

I don't even know why they're losing.  I don't know how to stop it.

Like today, the Blackhawks tied the game in the third period, but Shaw was called for interference.  But it kinda wasn't interference.  Yes he was in the crease, but he was pinned there.  And he made no effort to distract Howard, and Howard wasn't prevented from doing anything he just missed it.  So probably, that was the wrong call.  But you also can't complain about it because technically you could easily argue for interference.  It was close.

Then a couple minutes later Datsyuk lasers one in which... like okay, it was a great shot, struck perfectly.  He meant to do it.  It wasn't luck in that sense.  And Datsyuk does have skills.  But still, that's the kind of shot you take and you hope it goes in but most of the time it doesn't.  If Datsyuk was really that good that he could score on that on a regular basis he would be leading the league in goals.

Then right after that Blackhawks hit the pipe on a breakaway.  Which again, Howard made a great move on but it could have gone in and no one would have complained. 

I'm not trying to take anything away from Detroit.  They've played solid hockey.  They've done exactly what you need to do in terms of preventing breakaways and jamming up the neutral zone and not giving people space.  But it's not like they are totally dominating the games.  Howard had 39 saves today but it wasn't like he was making miracle stop after miracle stop.  Blackhawks were just slightly misfiring and Howard played well but not like whoa I can't believe it well.

They're not even playing dirty.  It's been a physical series but not really cheap.  If anything, the Blackhawks have been dirtier.
There's nothing to react to.  That game could have gone either way, but I can't really complain Chicago lost.  It's like.. it's not luck, but it's not skill either.  Detroit just seem to just be slightly better in every facet of the game, including luck.  I guess they are definitely better in the goaltending department.  But that's it.

I'm not an ultra-competitive dude.  I'm usually the calm guy when things get chippy.  But if I had been on the ice in that game I would have totally tried to fight someone just because it was so frustrating, plus you have to do *something*.  But no, the Red Wings just kind of laughed off every fight even.  It was like "Hey, yeah just settle down."
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on May 23, 2013, 09:39:28 PM
Uggh... a "friend" just sent me a video highlight package of Datsyuk goals.  There were many of them, all of which were quite splendid.  Driving through defenders, completely faking out keepers, little cheeky dinks, every creative and awesome way of scoring possible.  Also many great defensive plays, as befits a bazillion time Selke winner.

None of those goals was a 10,000 mph wrister.

Blackhawks are going to lose again, I can feel it.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: notoriouspbake on May 24, 2013, 09:04:57 PM
Uggh... a "friend" just sent me a video highlight package of Datsyuk goals.  There were many of them, all of which were quite splendid.  Driving through defenders, completely faking out keepers, little cheeky dinks, every creative and awesome way of scoring possible.  Also many great defensive plays, as befits a bazillion time Selke winner.

None of those goals was a 10,000 mph wrister.

Blackhawks are going to lose again, I can feel it.

seems you were correct.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on May 24, 2013, 11:21:34 PM
Yeah. 

I'm really glad the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup already.  Otherwise this season would be awful.  Being favorites and losing to the 7 seed, and it's the Red Wings no less.  But also-- and this isn't sour grapes, I felt this way even when I thought the Blackhawks were going to cruise to the Cup-- it would kinda suck to wait my entire life for a championship and it comes in a strike-shortened, cheesy season.

And I like this team less than the team that won.  I mean, it still has Patrick Kane on it but back then I still thought Kane might be a cool guy instead of kind of an fratboy alcoholic douche.  Kinda hard to root for him.

Had the Blackhawks won (and I've pretty much given up hope) it would have been a nice bonus, I suppose.  But I wouldn't have wanted this to be the big one.

Detroit really looks kind of unstoppable right now.  Kind of like the Kings last year.  They don't play the sexiest style of hockey, but it works, and no one seems to be able to stop them from playing it. 
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: notoriouspbake on May 28, 2013, 11:02:49 PM
a big game seven tomorrow.

can the wings sneak a win on the road?
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on May 29, 2013, 01:53:26 PM
a big game seven tomorrow.

can the wings sneak a win on the road?

NO!  :laugh:
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on May 29, 2013, 09:54:37 PM
So if Chi wins, the last 4 cup winners will be in the semis. Technically, with the Wings still playing at least one more period, you have the last 5 winners still alive.

That's all. Carry on.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on May 30, 2013, 12:16:20 AM
It's weird how in hockey it can end just like that.

I mean, that seemed like a nothing play.  It was a good job to get control of the puck in the neutral zone.  But then you basically have a defenseman skating around with no support like a doofus.  So the defenseman does what defensemen do which is take a shot and hope you get lucky. 

Kronwall maybe could have been more aggressive but it's not like Seabrook is a real threat.  I don't know the finer points of hockey but it seemed to me like he did the right thing.  It was really not that good a shot at all but Kronwall tipped it at the last moment and there was nothing Howard could do. Very unfortunate.  9 times out of ten Seabrook shoots it wide or Kronwall smothers it and starts a rush the other way.  I felt horrible for Kronwall because I thought he played a great series. 

But then on the other hand, the Red Wings were soooo due for some bad luck. That game was over in the 3rd period.  That is two awful calls disallowing two huge goals by the Blackhawks.  The Blackhawks deserved to win.

But it also highlights how bad this realignment is.  That was a classic series.  Physical, but relatively clean.  How do you move to Original Six teams into different divisions?  I don't care at all about Colorado or Nashville.  And how is Nashville in the West?
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on May 30, 2013, 08:13:37 AM
But it also highlights how bad this realignment is.  That was a classic series.  Physical, but relatively clean.  How do you move to Original Six teams into different divisions?  I don't care at all about Colorado or Nashville.  And how is Nashville in the West?

I don't know if I'd call it "bad", but I say that mostly because C-bus getting moved into the East means that my Sabres will be in town more often so I am a bit biased. But, the realignment does suck away some of the potential for great series' like this one which is a shame. The Kings v. Blackhawks will be a fun series though.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on June 09, 2013, 01:14:18 AM
Blackhawks-Bruins.  Nice series.  Two Original Six teams.  Bruins the cinderella underdogs, Blackhawks the best team in the league.  Both are recent champions.

What my ruling would have been on the Keith/Carter incident:  Keith suspended for remainder of series, Carter must play remainder of series without gloves.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on June 13, 2013, 01:17:51 AM
What a game.  A bit of a shame the Blackhawks won on a totally lucky goal, but that's still a classic.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: TayFo on June 13, 2013, 01:27:33 AM
What a game.  A bit of a shame the Blackhawks won on a totally lucky goal, but that's still a classic.
so tense my jaw hurts . . . round 2 . . . fight!
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on June 19, 2013, 11:47:22 PM
I'm starting to get extremely annoyed at Corey Crawford.  I've been watching with the commentary off so I don't know what they are saying about the games, but I feel like Crawford basically sucks.

I get that it's hard to stop 1 zillion mile per hour slap shots or whatever, but how do you get beaten glove side/short side? There's a defender in front of you to take away the low shot.  If they go high stick/away then you have more time to react but if they score then you just tip your cap.  But high glove is the only angle he had to stop.  That was just shit positioning.

When every game you are taking 10, 15, 20 more shots on goal but not scoring any more that just tells you that Rusk is way better than Crawford.

Also screw you Pittsburgh for rolling over, otherwise this series wouldn't be close.

Am I wrong?
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on June 20, 2013, 10:23:11 AM
So reading the blogs today, I see I am not the only one thinking Crawford's glove side is horrible.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on June 22, 2013, 11:50:11 PM
The Blackhawks got that second goal against the run of play.  That was a pretty even game overall.  But at that exact time, it really looked like the Bruins were starting to take control and then Kane scored.  If they had scored instead of the Blackhawks, which at the time the play kind of warranted, they would have won.  Plus they lost Bergeron.

Maybe that's why Patrick Kane is good but I dunno, it still feels like both the Blackhawks goals were... not saying lucky per se... but just as easily could not have been goals had the puck not bounced a certain way.

The Blackhawks will take more shots than the Bruins, the Bruins will dish out more hits which is what happened tonight and both teams played their gameplan that way.  Crawford was good tonight, hopefully that continues.  I realize he got beaten glove side again, but that was a cannon.  Good shot, rather than bad goaltending.

If Bergeron is out and Toews is in, Blackhawks win.  If Bergeron is in and Toews is out, I feel like Bruins win.  If both are out, I think the Blackhawks win.  Partly because they are up 3-2, and partly because I think Bergeron is a little more important to the Bruins than Toews is to the Blackhawks.

Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on June 24, 2013, 10:54:32 PM
Helluva Finals.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on July 02, 2013, 08:03:36 AM
Poor Roberto Luongo can't catch a freaking break. He's got a stupid, insane contract that he can't get out of (and no one wants to buy him out of)... he spent this season as the back-up and was largely forgotten. The management did everything to break him in every way possible and then promote him back to starter while saying that "there's no fences that need mending"? Good god. His therapy bills have to take up nearly every cent of that paycheck.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Dan on July 02, 2013, 09:36:22 AM
Yeah, but if he's got an insane contract (and I am assuming insane means "overpaid") then he's happy that he's making bank.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on July 02, 2013, 09:54:19 AM
Yeah, but if he's got an insane contract (and I am assuming insane means "overpaid") then he's happy that he's making bank.
Oh yeah, overpaid. 7-years at $64-ish million... it's too long and too expensive. Even he says it's a stupid contract.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on July 07, 2013, 10:38:45 AM
Yeah, but if he's got an insane contract (and I am assuming insane means "overpaid") then he's happy that he's making bank.
Oh yeah, overpaid. 7-years at $64-ish million... it's too long and too expensive. Even he says it's a stupid contract.
Luongo has always been a bit of a headcase. Maybe that's a bit of a harsh description. He's a sensitive guy. He's never done well in pressure situations and doesn't do well in adversity even going back to when he was first being shopped by Florida and was super upset because he would have to move his new family. I've seen how crazy the media is in Van and the best thing that could have happened to him was to take the Horton route and find a market where he could disappear, like, I don't know, the Florida Panthers maybe? But like you mentioned, that contract is a killer that just won't allow that to happen.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on July 07, 2013, 04:51:52 PM
Oh yeah, overpaid. 7-years at $64-ish million... it's too long and too expensive. Even he says it's a stupid contract.
Luongo has always been a bit of a headcase. Maybe that's a bit of a harsh description. He's a sensitive guy. He's never done well in pressure situations and doesn't do well in adversity even going back to when he was first being shopped by Florida and was super upset because he would have to move his new family. I've seen how crazy the media is in Van and the best thing that could have happened to him was to take the Horton route and find a market where he could disappear, like, I don't know, the Florida Panthers maybe? But like you mentioned, that contract is a killer that just won't allow that to happen.
Yep. Ain't no team in the land who will buy out that contract. At least, not in a market where he can blend into the woodwork and disappear.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on October 12, 2013, 04:26:26 PM
Great quote from Joe Thornton about Hertl's 4 goals including the between the legs goal:

 ďIf I scored four goals Iíd have my cock out. Iíd have my cock out, stroking it,Ē

Better line from Pierre LeBrun during heated discussion if quote should have been published:

"I just hope Thornton doesn't score 4 goals"
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on October 24, 2013, 06:34:38 AM
Dear Sabres,

What. The. Fuck.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on October 24, 2013, 11:50:39 AM
I can't muster up any enthusiasm for hockey at all this year.  I look at the standings and it's like

Western Conference:

Central
Astros
Blackhawks
Blues
Astros
Astros
Astros
Astros

Pacific
Astros
Astros
Astros
Astros
Astros
Calgary
Edmonton
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on November 01, 2013, 01:03:17 PM
Dear Sabres,

What. The. Fuck.
From the BACKHAND SHELF blog:
1. Could the Buffalo Sabres go down as the worst team in NHL history? Itís not as long of a shot as you may think. The 1974-75 Washington Capitals finished with 21 points in an 80-game season. In 1992-93, the Ottawa Senators and San Jose Sharks accumulated 24 points during an 84-game season. None of those three teams had the benefit of earning a point just for reaching overtime. The Capitals wouldnít have benefited, as overtime for regular-season games didnít return to existence until 1983-84. The Senators lost in overtime six times; the Sharks lost in overtime five times. The 2013-14 Sabres (2-12-1) have five points in 15 games, which puts them on pace for 27.3 points in 82 games. That doesnít take into account that they will play their final 69 games without Thomas Vanek and will eventually dump Ryan Miller before the trade deadline and perhaps even Matt Moulson. It would take a whole lot of futility for the Sabres to sink to the level of the í74-75 Capitals, but itís within the realm of possibility as we exit October.

Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on November 02, 2013, 01:45:43 PM
Dear Sabres,

What. The. Fuck.
From the BACKHAND SHELF blog:
1. Could the Buffalo Sabres go down as the worst team in NHL history? Itís not as long of a shot as you may think. The 1974-75 Washington Capitals finished with 21 points in an 80-game season. In 1992-93, the Ottawa Senators and San Jose Sharks accumulated 24 points during an 84-game season. None of those three teams had the benefit of earning a point just for reaching overtime. The Capitals wouldnít have benefited, as overtime for regular-season games didnít return to existence until 1983-84. The Senators lost in overtime six times; the Sharks lost in overtime five times. The 2013-14 Sabres (2-12-1) have five points in 15 games, which puts them on pace for 27.3 points in 82 games. That doesnít take into account that they will play their final 69 games without Thomas Vanek and will eventually dump Ryan Miller before the trade deadline and perhaps even Matt Moulson. It would take a whole lot of futility for the Sabres to sink to the level of the í74-75 Capitals, but itís within the realm of possibility as we exit October.
Buffalo fans usually only throw batteries at opposing teams at Bills' games. However, they may start to bring duracells to the Sabres games. Good lord... just a bloody mess.
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: Poolio on November 13, 2013, 11:46:49 AM
Thank the hockey gods:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sabres-fire-coach-general-manager-161959385--nhl.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sabres-fire-coach-general-manager-161959385--nhl.html)
Title: Re: All-new NHL thread
Post by: euro60 on May 15, 2014, 11:29:13 PM
Caught parts of game 7 of the Pens-Rangers and Canadiens-Bruins games on TV the last 2 nights. Wow, that was thrilling. I didn't root for any of these teams, but the desperation setting in towards the end of those games for the Pen and Bruins made for some super-exciting TV viewing.