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Title: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on November 27, 2011, 09:22:28 AM
ok, need my fix of survivor discussion.

roll call! euro, where are you?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on November 27, 2011, 11:04:47 AM
Nothing to add this week since there was no new episode, but I'll be ready to discuss after Wednesday's episode.

Rollcall: where is cyclone? REMgirl? others?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on November 27, 2011, 02:39:31 PM
I am here.

Thanks for starting the thread.  Starting the new season's thread every year on WOXY and linking all of the past seasons' threads was always something I loved doing.

Although not quite as locked in as Rob was last season, it is clearly Coach's game to lose at this point, which is something I never thought I'd ever type dating back to Tocantins (his original season).  But that's what you get with the stupid twist of bringing back former players as leaders of the tribes.  The only person I could see beating Coach would be Sophie, and she just hasn't got enough airtime in her edit.  Albert is another one who could win on paper, but he will surely be one of the first to go from that tribe now.  There's also the chance of Ozzy returning, which could happen, but I don't see how he would advance himself after re-entering.

Sidenote, I humorously found an autographed copy of this at Half Price Books the other night ...

(http://static.tvfanatic.com/files/rupert-boneham.jpg)
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on November 27, 2011, 10:45:15 PM
not to derail from Survivor, but did anyone see The Amazing Race tonight? They were in Belgium (my original home country as all WOXY alums know, but perhaps not Randomvillers), what a great episode that was. They showcased a couple of spots in Flanders (where I'm from), to great effect I thought.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on November 28, 2011, 01:45:14 AM
not to derail from Survivor, but did anyone see The Amazing Race tonight?

Yeah, and this season of TAR has grown on me the past few weeks after an initial slow start (especially when Ethan and Jenna were the first team eliminated).  I think it's still a relatively weak cast but I have found myself rooting for Jeremy and Sandy all of a sudden, for whatever reason.  Despite Ernie and his girl (who's name escapes me).
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 28, 2011, 08:02:59 AM
I thought this was going to be a thread about Eye of the Tiger.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: REMgirl on November 28, 2011, 09:44:09 PM
Here I yam. ;)

I watched the recap episode last week, and I think it was a good way to see more behind the scenes. I never understood why Cochran felt that he was treated that badly by the others in his tribe, and this pretty much clarified that. They never included him; hell, they treated him like an outcast. I wouldn't say I especially like him and I'm not picking him to win, but he toughed it out.

It's going to be interesting as some of the second-tier tribe members start to push their limits within the tribe. It may get interesting around there.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on November 30, 2011, 09:55:22 PM
Surprisingly entertaining episode tonight despite the uninteresting people that are left.  Of course, though, the fact that no one came up with a plan to blindside Coach while having a swing vote (Cochran) kind of summed up how bad the strategy has been this season, newcomers making Coach of all people look like a strategic mastermind.

I'm glad that Cochran got voted out since I ranted on how bad his move was when it happened, and it was blatantly obvious that he would simply be 7th out on the majority tribe.  At this point though, I'm surprised that Coach wouldn't have made an effort to carry him to the end, where he would get 0 jury votes from either tribe.  I suppose he's planning on taking Edna and Brandon as well, and they're not likely to get many more.  Albert or Sophie could easily slip into the finals with a couple immunity wins at this point, however.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on November 30, 2011, 11:08:39 PM
Surprisingly entertaining episode tonight despite the uninteresting people that are left.  Of course, though, the fact that no one came up with a plan to blindside Coach while having a swing vote (Cochran) kind of summed up how bad the strategy has been this season, newcomers making Coach of all people look like a strategic mastermind.

I'm glad that Cochran got voted out since I ranted on how bad his move was when it happened, and it was blatantly obvious that he would simply be 7th out on the majority tribe.  At this point though, I'm surprised that Coach wouldn't have made an effort to carry him to the end, where he would get 0 jury votes from either tribe.  I suppose he's planning on taking Edna and Brandon as well, and they're not likely to get many more.  Albert or Sophie could easily slip into the finals with a couple immunity wins at this point, however.

agreed on all accounts. Despite the editing trying to make it look like Rick might perhaps be voted out, it was pretty clear to me that this wasn't gonna happen. Glad to see Cochran gone to be honest. He was annoying to no end and badly over-estimated himself as a "strategy" player.

Just total speculation on my part here (I have not seen/read any internet spoilers--and please don't list them): it looks like Coach is in the driver's seat, as was Boston Rob last season, who won. Maybe that is the reason that the next new season has no 'returning' characters?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on December 01, 2011, 08:02:23 AM
cockroach? good riddance. dude has issues. telling stories about crapping himself, and then his suave way to ask out girls - hey, i think you're hot, can we trade sperm?. seriously, how can someone have such little social skills, and then tell the stories about it? dumb move. and dude has no game. embarrassing.

now that's off of my chest, does he actually beat ozzie in the challenge?

yes, the remaining cast has no strategic game. they're too afraid to make a move. coach looks like a mastermind, which he isn't.

so, who would you take to the end?

i would've kept cockroach and edna. i doubt any of the jury will vote for them.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: REMgirl on December 01, 2011, 08:28:04 AM
I thought last night was rather dull. Balancing plates again? Yawn.

Rick is too boring to be voted out right now. Even Edna, who I would gladly push into the ocean, isn't going. The shower thing was just weird, too. So, will the producers come up with a dorky challenge that might help Cochran win for once? What kind of challenge would that be? See who can hold a cocnut on ropes? uh-uh, Cochran can't do that. Walk without falling down? Nope, he can't do that, either. He even sucks at quizzes and puzzles. If he beats Ozzie in a challenge, it would have to have been rigged.

I'm at the point now that I don't care that much. Coach or Ozzie will win, and both have played before. Let Coach have it.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 01, 2011, 10:30:39 AM
notoriouspbake- For me it would have also been Cochran and Edna, but I guess now I'd go with Brandon and Edna.  No one will vote for a Hantz.  Cochran was just an even bigger goat since the whole Savaii jury is guaranteed to give him 0 votes.  I guess Rick is a pretty big goat himself if he has been as useless and we've (barely) seen.  Albert or Sophie are the only ones who I think could beat Coach.

Ozzy being able to run the table plus come in and win the next few immunity or two just seems like too big of a stretch for me.  Which is just one of the reasons the RI twist is such a bust.  They are always going to get re-voted out after reentering.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 09, 2011, 01:38:14 AM
Hard to believe next week's Wednesday + Sunday finale will do it for this season already.

I'm really surprised that Coach is making the mistake of keeping the players who could potentially beat him in Albert or Sophie.  A couple immunity wins and they're in the finals.  I don't think either of them have a particularly strong chance, but a much better one than a weak player like Edna or Brandon.  Of course he is probably still planning on using Brandon as a goat.

I also couldn't help but cringe at Coach's decision to tell Ozzy that he would take him to the finals if he re-entered the game.  The dynamic of a voted out person reaching the end would be fascinating and I would love to see how it would play out to a jury, but there is no way Coach would gamble on taking his legacy from goofy character to mastermind and an easy $1 million by taking someone who could easily, and probably would beat him instead of some goats.  Something like that is so stupid that it almost makes me want to see Coach lose by one jury vote, Ozzy voting for someone else, for Coach scrambling to make such a stupid, fake promise like that and obviously not go through with it (which Ozzy can use as evidence to vote against him).
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on December 11, 2011, 12:31:15 AM
but the next episode preview-teaser makes it look like Ozzy's gonna lose!!!
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 11, 2011, 11:02:36 AM
but the next episode preview-teaser makes it look like Ozzy's gonna lose!!!

They made it look so obvious that there's no way that actually happens.  It literally showed Edna with a completed puzzle thing before Ozzy even started putting his together, so if that were to actually happen, they would have have just literally showed the whole thing on the preview.  The previews are always made to be deceiving.  What I'm guessing happens is that Edna desperately throws hers together to try to beat Ozzy quickly, gets the pattern wrong and has to start over, and Ozzy casually puts together the right one.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 11, 2011, 09:51:18 PM
So the TAR finale.

Just like in what seems like every single season, a strong team gets screwed by a bad driver in the finale.  This time it was Jeremy and Sandy.  They came into the final leg in 1st place, and knocked out the flight simulator on the first try.  The driver then takes them to the wrong location, and thus we all knew the ending of the show about 10 minutes in.  They obviously had no chance to catch up despite the desperate editing by CBS to make it look closer.  I'm getting tired of typing up a similar scenario to this at the end of every season, where a team gets screwed by something out of their control.  I know that taxi drivers are a variable of the game, but IMO, just let the teams drive themselves during the final leg.  The should at least be rewarded for getting to that point where they won't single-handily lose because of a bad driver.

Outside of disliking the winners, I thought this was a completely disappointing finale.  Flight simulator, using a type writer and a mini rock climbing wall?  Eh.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: trixi on December 11, 2011, 10:57:51 PM
I disagree Cyclone that the driver took them to the wrong place.  They asked some man where the Dump was and he sent them to a place called the Dump.  The driver took them there, sure, but it was the man that gave them bad info. 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on December 11, 2011, 11:01:41 PM
Even though the outcome of the finale was pretty clear from the get-to, I thought this was one of the more enjoyable TAR seasons. Great scenary, interesting teams, etc. Sign me up for the next season!
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 12, 2011, 12:06:58 AM
I disagree Cyclone that the driver took them to the wrong place.  They asked some man where the Dump was and he sent them to a place called the Dump.  The driver took them there, sure, but it was the man that gave them bad info. 

I thought that they got in their car and read the clue to the driver, who then took them to the place.  I could be wrong, I'm going off memory and don't have DVR to go back and catch it.  My post might have been a bit of an exaggeration as to getting screwed by the driver, but the reality is that something like that literally happens every year in the TAR finale.  I understand your point that in this case it may have been their fault that they interpreted the clue wrong, and you may be right.  But I'd still like to see some kind of equalizer in the TAR finales that prevent those types of situations.  If the teams have gotten that far, give them their own cars or modes of transportation and just make it a fierce physical competition that is exciting to watch so we don't have lame screw ups like going to a wrong location while the second place team takes the lead.  I understand that stuff like this is the reality of the race, but let take be prominent through the first 90% of the race, just do something exciting at the final leg.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on December 12, 2011, 11:31:17 PM
so Cyclone, the last 2 episodes of Survivor are coming up, this Wednesday and Sunday.... wanna make a final prediction?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on December 12, 2011, 11:38:38 PM
Talking about TAR finale in the Survivor thread kinda sucks.  

At least have the decency to use the Spoiler tags... I came here this morning looking at Survivor and had to slam the window shut when I saw this TAR talk, as we don't watch until Monday night... which I would've been expecting if I delay-watched Survivor, coming to a Survivor thread.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 12, 2011, 11:53:01 PM
At least have the decency to use the Spoiler tags...

Sorry I'm not more sympathetic but I'm never going to include spoiler tags for something that has already aired.  And I did start my post with "So the TAR finale" before skipping lines to the main paragraph if you read the thread chronologically.  How am I supposed to know when people do and don't DVR stuff and what their schedule is?  I watch it live.  And I get your point about this being the Survivor thread, but still, I would have never anticipated that some TAR fan who hasn't seen the episode yet was going to read this thread before doing so.  That's just me though.

I brought it up because we had already been discussing TAR earlier in the thread.  Since the people participating in this thread are WOXY migrators, there was no separate thread since both of these seasons were already winding down.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 12, 2011, 11:56:18 PM
so Cyclone, the last 2 episodes of Survivor are coming up, this Wednesday and Sunday.... wanna make a final prediction?

My prediction is a Coach, Brandon, Sophie F3 with Coach winning.

It's hard to say who Coach will bring to the end ... I originally wanted to say it would be Albert and Sophie, but Brandon is a much bigger goat than Albert.  Then again Edna was as well and he went ahead and got rid of her.  I am predicting that Ozzy beats Edna in the duel, re-enters the game, and gets voted out at the next TC.  There is a chance he could win the immunity challenges if so he is automatically in the finals.  I just can't see it happening.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on December 13, 2011, 08:55:16 AM
At least have the decency to use the Spoiler tags...

Sorry I'm not more sympathetic but I'm never going to include spoiler tags for something that has already aired.  And I did start my post with "So the TAR finale" before skipping lines to the main paragraph if you read the thread chronologically.  How am I supposed to know when people do and don't DVR stuff and what their schedule is?  I watch it live.  And I get your point about this being the Survivor thread, but still, I would have never anticipated that some TAR fan who hasn't seen the episode yet was going to read this thread before doing so.  That's just me though.

I brought it up because we had already been discussing TAR earlier in the thread.  Since the people participating in this thread are WOXY migrators, there was no separate thread since both of these seasons were already winding down.

I don't expect you to know anyone's watching schedule.

1. Wrong thread (admittedly, there wasn't a TAR thread... but still I wasn't expecting to get bombed with it in this thread)
2. Hours after a finale.  I assume that not everyone watching shows live... I mean, it's not like you are leaking the ending to Gone With the Wind or something... or even The Sixth Sense.  It had JUST happened.
3. I have no idea why someone who was a TAR fan wouldn't read a Survivor thread until they were caught up with TAR.  I'm 100% caught up on Survivor, which is why I came to this thread.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 13, 2011, 01:05:38 PM
3. I have no idea why someone who was a TAR fan wouldn't read a Survivor thread until they were caught up with TAR.  I'm 100% caught up on Survivor, which is why I came to this thread.

That's not what I'm saying, my point was that I wouldn't have anticipated a TAR fan would have read this thread prior to seeing te episode simply because there are only about 3 of us who actively take part in this thread anyway (that's going back to WOXY as well).  It's generally not the type of thing I would worry about, as we struggle to get people to comment on the shows in the first place.  Thus the "spoiler" thing never even crossed my mind.

It's really not worth splitting hairs over.  Now that I'm here, there will be separate Survivor and TAR threads come next season anyway.

On topic, Richard Hatch was released from jail (again) today and claimed that Boston Rob took his place last season after the judge would not allow him to take part in Survivor.

(http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13200000/Richard-Hatch-survivor-13240303-400-300.jpg)
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on December 13, 2011, 11:02:54 PM
Good idea to start separate threads for the next seasons of TAR and Survivor. I think there is enough interest to support both. I know I'll be posting.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on December 14, 2011, 09:54:02 AM
Ol' Cochran made this season the most boring since like Marquesas.  What kind of "Survivor Expert" thinks that trading 6th for 7th is a good deal?  At least in 6th, you could redeem yourself or outsmart/blindside someone and move up to 4th or  even better.  At 7th in a 6 person alliance, you are expendable.

Now we are stuck with the battle of the dummies and the false hope that Ozzy might finish them all.  I mean, what sort of world is it where I'm rooting for Ozzy?  The challenge god with the brain of a squirrel?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 14, 2011, 10:58:23 AM
To take that Cochran rationale even further, I'm not convinced that he would have even been 6th on Savaii.  Cochran's poor challenge abilities and social game would have became a major asset for him post-merge, while it always put him on the chopping block pre-merge.  Just about every Savaii member has to have him in mind to take to the end as a goat.  They're certainly not going to want to go with Ozzy.  Jim actually made this very clear early on when they blindsided Ozzy's girlfriend.  That's what made this "Cochran was bullied" narrative so bizarre to me.  They voted against the leader Ozzy to protect him, and if Ozzy had not sacrificed himself to go to RI, he would have been voted out 100% for blowing that challenge.  Not sure where Cochran's false entitlement comes from.  Being a superfan and a Harvard student doesn't mean that you're going to get a pass when you aren't helping the tribe in any way.  A flip like that always kill someone's endgame.  Always.

It's interesting to me that you picked Marquesas and not Thailand.  The latter is what a lot of Survivor fans consider the gold standard for boring seasons, though Thailand had who I thought was the single best winner of all-time while Marquesas had one of the worst.  Anyway, I don't think this season has been the most boring since then.  It hasn't been very strong either, and yes, the post-merge has been boring thanks to a Pagonging.  But last season's Pagonging was much more boring.  Rob's zombie tribe (and even the other tribe) made this cast seem very entertaining.  I also think that, even if it's the slimmest of chances, someone like Albert or Sophie have a much greater chance of beating Coach than anyone in the entire cast had of beating Rob last season.  I also think Nicaragua a few seasons ago was also much worse, and I hate saying that because I'm such an apologist for seasons with an all new cast and no returning players

Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on December 14, 2011, 12:21:16 PM
agreed. ozzie wins. trailer is deceiving. then ozzie gets voted out. he can beat anyone left in the game, with most of his tribe left on the jury, it'd be stupid to keep him around, if you're on the other tribe. cockroach is the ultimate loser, but someone should've had enough smarts to keep him and brandon around to try to take to the final three = guaranteed win.

cowboy has hardly been in any episodes, he can't win. albert or sophie have the only chance left to usurp coach, and if i'd get rid of those two first if i was left in the tribe, leaving coach, brandon, and ric for the f3. who do you vote for? coach. *yawn*

fairly uninteresting season thus far, with most moves either being predictable, or so unpredictable that they had no long term strategic goal.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 15, 2011, 10:16:55 AM
What can you even say about Brandon?  I kind of feel like he was just throwing in the towel.  Given how nonexistent he had been the past 5-6 episodes compared to his sporadic behavior before, he must have been totally phased out.  Granted, he worked hard to win immunity and was one TC away from a final 4.  But maybe he thought giving up immunity and then getting booted was an "honorable" way to go out.  I was definitely surprised that Coach voted him out. 

I would also say that Albert pretty much killed any endgame he may have had up his sleeve.  Both the jury and his own tribe view him as a coward.  I don't know, even though that was an entertaining episode, I feel like I don't really have much to say about it.  I am surprised that Coach has just voted out two big goats (Edna and Brandon), although after that whole spiel I guess Albert became a pretty big one himself.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on December 15, 2011, 10:57:49 AM
Personally, Marquesas is the gold standard of boring.  Thailand is the dirtiest season ever.  You needed a decontamination shower after that season.

As someone who is proud to have seen every episode of every season... I don't get into the whole "cult of Survivor" or anything.  I watch it because it entertains me, nothing more.  I don't mind an occasional Pagonging... because just by the sheer number of seasons, it's going to happen sometimes.  I just hope "my" people are on the right side of it.

I make a lot of internal judgments about how the season will go and watch to see if I am correct.  I feel more like a Survivor lab tech than a fan in the early episodes, but by about the 3rd-5th episode I settle into just being entertained. 

Just for giggles, my boot list for this season was basically (not in boot order):

Pre-Jury boots
Stacey
Semhar
Mark
Christine
Dawn
Elyse

Jury:
Coach
Ozzy
Albert
Brandon
Cochran
Mikayla
Rick
Jim
Sophie

F3:
Keith
Whitney
Edna


Basically, Keith & Whitney turning on Ozzy @ 4 or 5 and taking the goat Edna into F3.  Knowing that Edna had just stood around and Keith would probably get the bulk of the votes.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on December 15, 2011, 11:11:29 AM
when did survivor turn into the 700 club?   >:( i don't remember god being such a big player in seasons past.

what to say about brandon? did he not realize that anyone who has given up immunity has been voted out? and coach voted him out to eliminate a wild card, and get a jury vote. although keeping him would be the ideal goat. perhaps he may get lucky and take out ozzy, eliminating another problem for coach (nothing was given away in the trailer).

so, if ozzy comes back = gone. if brandon comes back, albert goes, then sophie.  your final 3: coach, rick, and brandon. your welcome.

Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 15, 2011, 12:01:42 PM
Personally, Marquesas is the gold standard of boring.  Thailand is the dirtiest season ever.  You needed a decontamination shower after that season.

I don't mind an occasional Pagonging... because just by the sheer number of seasons, it's going to happen sometimes. 

Marquesas was a dull season but it had enough going for it that it would stay out of my lowest echelon of season rankings (which doesn't exist, but if it did).  Even though I'm not particularly a fan of any of them, Rob, Kathy and Sean were at least interesting players with decent storylines.  Obviously there was the big powershift and the infamous "purple rock" boot, but I also liked Rob's blindside, and IIRC there was another decent blindside that Rob orchestrated on another alpha male-type.  The final two obviously killed any momentum it had though, and Vecepia has to be the most forgettable winner. 

I used Thailand for the "boring" example because of a combination of predictability and an overwhelmingly dull cast.  For me the cast is always the no. 1 thing that makes or breaks a season ... no matter what kind of odd twisting they throw in or how much I may dislike the boot order, I just need people that are actually strategizing or are at least interesting, and not interesting in a "just be crazy for the cameras" kind of way.  In Thailand, Brian Heidik dominated the game so soundly from the very beginning that I had never seen a more predictable game right from the start.  That itself isn't a bad thing, because a great winner is a good thing.  But the rest of the cast was so painfully dull.  Honestly ... Shii Ann was Thailand's All-Star representative.  That should tell you something.

Anyway, it's cool to talk with someone who can actually namedrop/reference an older season.  Feel free to pick apart what I just said ... I enjoy the discussion.

Now, as far as Pagongings go, I agree with you that it's part of the game and you just have to hope your people are on the right side.  But after the last two seasons, I feel like they'll probably start throwing in a tribal swap to mix things up.  And I'd be in favor of that.  With the last two, the returning players were in such a position of power (Rob and Coach), that the Pagonings were especially boring because even once the lesser tribe was finally picked off, you knew that it still wasn't even going to be interesting.  I guess I'm also interested in why you think this season is worse/more boring than the last one.  Both had solid pre-merges I thought, with even tribes and a couple blindsides, but favor SP for also having the Ozzy sacrificing himself storyline. Then both had predictable Pagonings, but in SP you at least had the huge merge episode with the Cochran flip, even though I hated the move.  And I would also give SP a definitive edge in casting.  Neither was great but last season all you had was Rob dominating all of the starry-eyed lemmings plus Phillip hogging a bunch of airtime. 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on December 15, 2011, 10:47:41 PM
Just now catching up... what an episode last night... it looked like a bore, until Brandon went "loco". Can you imagine the screams and high-fives that went up in the Survivor producer's office when he decided he was gonna give the immunity neckless away? GOLDEN! And I had no doubt that Coach was gonna vote him off. How sly of Coach to tell Brandon "it was God's will", wow.

I'm not discounting Ozzy to keep on winning the challenges and remain in the hunt for a F3 spot, in which case he might be in  avery good position. If he doesn't, then it's obviously Coach's game to lose.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on December 16, 2011, 10:55:36 AM
I agree with you about Brian... I just can't say "Thailand" without feeling dirty.  It is so far in the past now that is the only real reaction you get from me on it.  Shii-Ann is an idiot.  Her Shii-Devil routine was about as scary as getting chased by field mouse.  Sure, a few ninnies will run and climb on a chair, but anyone really tough will just step on it.

I just hope there is never a bring back old players unless it is strictly an all-star show.  I liked it when it was Stephanie/Bobby Duh for the first few episodes, then I quickly realized it was a horrible concept.  I'm willing to bend on the Fans vs. Favs season.  That was great ONCE.  That was different, an entire tribe of reruns was fine.  I hope they never do it again, but it was fine.

This Steph/BD, Rob/Russell, Coach/Ozzy thing sucks.  It must be something they sees as a ratings gimmick or they wouldn't keep doing it.  That's why you do all-star seasons... to keep the "ooh, I remember them!  I wonder if they could do it better now?" thing going.

What is your ideal season using past elements?


Mine would be:

18 contestants
2 tribes of 9
Redemption, not Exile
2 hidden immunity idols, no replacement idols (single time use for each tribe)
Merge @ 10 (1 on Redemption = 11 players total)
Redemption #1 back in immediately after merge (will they re-join old team? will they join new team? less likely to be auto-boot and more likely swing-vote)
7 person jury (not 9)
Redemption #2 back in immediately after second to last boot (redemption person is in the final competition)
final 2 (not 3)

It hasn't been used before, so I didn't include it above... but I think I'd like something where the F2 isn't a which goat can I stand against, but they get to choose the final sub-challenge that the other 2 compete in. 

Ex: Edgar the master puppeteer wins the final challenge.  He's a lock into the F2.  He has well-liked and agile doofus Krissy or smart, but an unliked goat Hector to choose from.  Unless he's Colby, he's going to pick Hector in a straight pick, because the goat is the best choice.

Edgar wins.  He is then given the choice of 3 minimally described challenges to pick who he sits against.  That way there is still the shot that he doesn't get who he wants, but in fairness, gets a greater shot at his competitor... just not a lock.

1. A balancing challenge... duh, he's not picking this because Krissy is agile and super skinny.
2. A mental puzzle... he might pick this because Hector is pretty smart.
3. A physical challenge... perhaps he knows Hector twisted his ankle at the last challenge, so he doesn't choose this one or he does because he feels Krissy can't beat Hector even with a bum ankle.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 16, 2011, 05:08:58 PM
I just hope there is never a bring back old players unless it is strictly an all-star show. 

This Steph/BD, Rob/Russell, Coach/Ozzy thing sucks.

Completely agree.  I wouldn't really be thrilled about an all-out new All-Stars either, but with season 25 approaching and their lack of faith in new casts, you know it's in the fold.  I just hope that they get a little creative with the casting and we don't just get the 3rd/4th/5th renditions of the Russells, Parvatis, Coaches, etc.  That would be mega-lame.  I've heard some "old vs. new school" themed All-Star rumors going around, but that's probably just purely fan speculation. 

That's an interesting format you came up with.  I agree with a lot of it - especially returning to the 18-person cast, no re-hidden HIIs, and a final 2. 

I would also go with 18 contestants. With the bigger casts (among other aspects), character development has kind of gone out the window.  In a modern season, the episode format is strategy -> challenge -> strategy -> Tribal.  While I want good strategy, I don't want the editing to focus on two or three people while the rest of the cast is ignored, i.e. Rick in the current season.  I would have no Redemption (or Exile for that matter).  At first, I liked the concept of RI.  It definitely had the potential to drastically change strategies, and I also liked the idea since I typically only end up rooting for one or two people a season, and so if they get booted early, I could still have hope and be able to root for them.  But after enduring two season of it I just see it as a total failure.  I don't like how it has taken the impact out of a true blindside, and all 3 returnees thus far have been re-voted out at the following Tribal (and I fully expect Ozzy to be the 4th).  Granted, your modifications would greatly improve it.  I would probably just give the returnees immunity for the first Tribal after their return at the very least.  One HII at each camp only, none re-hidden after used.  Totally agree with you there.  It got way too gimmicky with the "Russell factor" there for a few seasons, when HIIs were being passed around like candy.  I still love the concept of it though, just have to make it a specialty.  I would also include one tribal swap (at a pre-determined time as to not intentionally screw any person or tribe), to A. prevent a Pagoning and B. make the pre-merge more interesting.  To make it fair, do like they have done in the past where one tribe member simply gets to basically draft one or two people to swap.  And lastly, definitely return to final 2.  Final 3 was another idea I liked on paper but has proven to be a dud at this point.  Oh, and one more thing.  While I know it must be difficult to come up with ideas at this point, they really need to step it up as far as challenges go.  I don't need mud wrestling, but we need something physical every now and then to offset the millions of puzzles.  An occasional water challenge would be a nice refreshment.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on December 18, 2011, 11:36:16 PM
Really enjoyed tonite's finale (I didn't watch the reunion afterwards). First, the last 2 immunity challenges were cleaver and challenging, and to see Ozzy win the first one, and then Sophie the last one was great TV enterainment. I knew all along that Coach would stick to the "family" and vote Ozzy off, that's been his pattern. Once the F3 were clear, I was pretty certain that Sophie would win, and she did. Coach got exposed in the Q&A session by the jury big time! If it was up to me, Ozzy would be the winner, he was the clear dominant player in the challenges, and the most likeable of who was left. Alas, he came up one immunity challenge short. Had he won that, I'm pretty sure he'd won.

In all, quite a satifying season from my perspective. Bring on the next season!
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: trixi on December 19, 2011, 12:00:47 AM
During the reunion, they polled the jury and Ozzy would have won, according to them, if he had been in the final 3. 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on December 19, 2011, 12:11:57 AM
first: an unsatisfying end to the season. compared to ozzie, none of the f3 were worthy of my vote, but i'd a given it to coach. albert was a poser, and sophie completely rode on coach's coattails. it did make for a interesting final tribal; euro is right, coach was exposed. i was rooting for ozzie to win that last challenge and win the game, but you can't always get what you want.

euro, make sure you watch the reunion show, spoilers below:

interesting how seeing them cleaned up and out of the context of the competition changes your view of the cast. i'd use cochran as a lawyer, and i loathed his persona on the game. he came across as quite intelligent. no surprise with the keith/whitney romance. edna got pregnant. but the first time i felt sorry for a cast member was brandon: no family came to be there with him, except for russell and he was just mean to the kid. he said his family was not proud of performance on the show; granted he made the stupidest move possible by giving away immunity and should be called out for that, but making a mistake on a game show is not worthy of your family not being there for you. clearly the hantz's are a bunch of douches. the only possibility i could come up with is russell staged this to keep his villain status, but even that's a terrible thing to do to one's nephew. probst even suggested a brandon vs russell show, but i've had my fill of russell; he's a dick just for the sake of being a dick on a tv show.

curious for the next season with the two tribes, one camp idea - but i hope it doesn't become a paranoia fest, where anyone who shares or talks to the other tribe is targeted immediately. the preview said they had the option of sharing resources or not. if they choose not to share resources (i'm talking about the obvious, sharing fire, water, and easily obtained food) i can see a russell type raiding party against the other tribe at night to take their food. and now we're moving to an all out tribal war, which would be stupid. sharing of resources makes for more friendly societies in real life, and i'm sure that idea would apply to survivor as well - and make it easier to play the social aspect of the game, which would more entertaining for me to watch.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 19, 2011, 12:18:17 AM
It was definitely a quality finale, which makes me feel better about what was an underwhelming (though not terrible) season.  

Ozzy returning made it exciting because there were legitimately 3 prospective winners still out there - Ozzy, Coach and Sophie.  Obviously, had Ozzy won the second challenge, he would have won easily (and euro60 - that was confirmed at the reunion).  Couldn't help but feel for Ozzy when he choked on that puzzle.  I've never been a fan of his game, but there's no doubting that he's hard working and great TV, so to see him win 9 challenges in a row then blow a lead to lose the final one ... I admit that I was rooting for him at that point.  Now, once Ozzy was voted out, I still anticipated a Coach win with two or maybe three Sophie votes.

You have to give Sophie a ton of credit for accomplishing what so many Survivors fail to do ... deliver a great Final Tribal performance.  Albert and Coach just came off cheesy.  She was real, and most importantly, spilling the info about the HII already being found was bloody brilliant.  Just absolutely brilliant.  She handled herself well all throughout.  Now, all that being said, I do think Coach was the most deserving person there, even though I personally wasn't rooting for a returning player to win.  Actually, Coach is probably the best second placer of any season ever.  He did play a very, very good game.  None of his eliminations were really truly of the "backstab" variety, and he seemingly handled them fairly well.  He had even convinced Brandon that his boot was necessary/okay.  Sophie was an okay winner for me.  She will probably grow on me over time.  I liked her game, but it was nothing spectacular.  She was clearly by and large a coattail rider, which isn't a strategy I respect despite it sometimes being successful.  But alas, she at least had strategy behind it, won some crucial challenges, and capped it off with a great jury speech.

For those that did see the reunion, how bad was the whole Hantz fiasco?  Essentially, Brandon stated that no one from his family was there (Russell actually was) and that most of his family was not proud of him once he returned home.  Russell in typical fashion then when on to rip Brandon for playing a horrible game.  The whole thing was rather disgusting and uncomfortable, and I say that as someone who was no fan of Brandon on the show.  And I liked Jim (my favorite player) zinging Cochran good one more time.

All in all, I didn't think this was a great season, but it was a lot better than Redemption Island and Nicaragua, and that was much needed.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on December 19, 2011, 12:41:36 AM


Ozzy returning made it exciting because there were legitimately 3 prospective winners still out there - Ozzy, Coach and Sophie.  Obviously, had Ozzy won the second challenge, he would have won easily (and euro60 - that was confirmed at the reunion).  Couldn't help but feel for Ozzy when he choked on that puzzle.  I've never been a fan of his game, but there's no doubting that he's hard working and great TV, so to see him win 9 challenges in a row then blow a lead to lose the final one ... I admit that I was rooting for him at that point.  Now, once Ozzy was voted out, I still anticipated a Coach win with two or maybe three Sophie votes.

You have to give Sophie a ton of credit for accomplishing what so many Survivors fail to do ... deliver a great Final Tribal performance.  ...... But alas, she at least had strategy behind it, won some crucial challenges, and capped it off with a great jury speech.

For those that did see the reunion, how bad was the whole Hantz fiasco?  Essentially, Brandon stated that no one from his family was there (Russell actually was) and that most of his family was not proud of him once he returned home.  Russell in typical fashion then when on to rip Brandon for playing a horrible game.  The whole thing was rather disgusting and uncomfortable, and I say that as someone who was no fan of Brandon on the show.  And I liked Jim (my favorite player) zinging Cochran good one more time.


agreed, dropping the staged hii "finding" on the jury was probably the move that won the game for sophie.  jim zinging cochrane was fair enough. there is a difference in playing to win vs. playing to stay in the game longer.

yeah, i predict probst will keep the hantz's off of the show from here on out. they're not good tv anymore. i doubt i'd watch another season with a hantz in it after russell, brandon, and the weirdness that was the reunion show. perhaps the hantz's believe they're now bigger than survivor? kinda like they've made survivor instead of the other way around? anyway, keep the hantz's off of survivor!!
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 19, 2011, 12:43:37 AM
clearly the hantz's are a bunch of douches. the only possibility i could come up with is russell staged this to keep his villain status, but even that's a terrible thing to do to one's nephew.

I can assure you that that wasn't staged.  Russell has been taking vitriolic shots at Brandon on Twitter just about every week of the season, and not of the lighthearted variety.  You would have never known they were related.  And it's also pretty clear from the family visit episode that Brandon's dad is the same way.  The whole thing is pretty unbelievable, really.  And that whole Russell vs. Brandon thing has to be a joke.  I know CBS was so unoriginal that they put Russell on 3 of the last 5 seasons, but I really can't see them stooping that low as to base a whole season on that horrible idea.

Now, the "One World" thing.  My initial though is to wonder what kind of twist is bound to happen at some point.  For example, how will that correlate with a merge?  Unless it just literally means it becomes one tribe and the individual immunity starts, which would be pretty underwhelming considering they have been together the whole time.  I'm wondering if there isn't some drastic twist planned to shake things up, maybe one tribe gets separated or something.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on December 19, 2011, 09:10:42 AM
clearly the hantz's are a bunch of douches. the only possibility i could come up with is russell staged this to keep his villain status, but even that's a terrible thing to do to one's nephew.

I can assure you that that wasn't staged.  Russell has been taking vitriolic shots at Brandon on Twitter just about every week of the season, and not of the lighthearted variety.  You would have never known they were related.  And it's also pretty clear from the family visit episode that Brandon's dad is the same way.  The whole thing is pretty unbelievable, really.  And that whole Russell vs. Brandon thing has to be a joke.  I know CBS was so unoriginal that they put Russell on 3 of the last 5 seasons, but I really can't see them stooping that low as to base a whole season on that horrible idea.


sounds like being away from his family for 40 days was the best thing to happen to brandon in a long time.
Title: Re: Survivor
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Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on January 30, 2012, 12:42:51 PM
aren't we down to two weeks before the new one world season?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: trixi on January 30, 2012, 10:32:09 PM
Yes, the 15th is the date
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on January 30, 2012, 11:25:17 PM
To recap the new twist/rule changes ...

- All new cast, no returning players
- No redemption island
- Men vs. women
- Both tribes (the men and women) will be co-existing on one beach rather than separate beaches for the first time ever
- A little person makes their Survivor debut
- If you find a Hidden Immunity Idol, you can't use it for yourself.  You must (strategically) give it to someone on the other tribe ...

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The way hidden immunity idols are played will also be different in season 24. This time, there will be two idols hidden at the camp — one for each tribe — but finding your tribe’s idol does not guarantee your safety. Instead, as Probst explains, “When you find the idol, you can’t use it for yourself. You have to give it to someone from the other tribe.” The trick will be picking the right person to give it to, and perhaps getting concessions in return — not to mention lobbying for the other team’s idol once someone finds it.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on January 30, 2012, 11:33:01 PM
I'm in!

Sounds like this good be a great season, with the badly needed rule changes
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 31, 2012, 08:04:57 AM
- All new cast, no returning players

Really?  That's a "twist"?

- A little person makes their Survivor debut

Gimmick, anyone?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on January 31, 2012, 09:56:53 AM
I'm excited to see it, but then again, it's not like I wouldn't be watching anyway!


That said, I was just sooooooooooooo unimpressed with last year's ending.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on January 31, 2012, 10:53:25 AM
Really?  That's a "twist"?

No, but it's the thing on that list I'm the most excited about.  I never want to see returning players anymore.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on January 31, 2012, 11:12:27 AM
No, but it's the thing on that list I'm the most excited about.  I never want to see returning players anymore.

Love cyclone and poncho
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on February 15, 2012, 12:40:55 PM
Tonight, guys.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on February 15, 2012, 01:25:29 PM
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Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on February 15, 2012, 10:04:32 PM
Premiere rant ...

Having a medical eviction on the first episode with no TC is mega-lame.  And to tease the audience that there will be an actual TC, even bringing them in to have them bicker and then send them back, was borderline offensive to me as a viewer since day one (this was obviously done to keep the viewers interested, it wasn't because medical simply needed that long to realize she broke her wrist).  But whatever, I don't want to be too negative.  I did like the immediate impact that the "one world" twist brought to the game.  It brought back an emphasis on the actual survival element to the game of the older seasons, and for me that's a good thing.  As far as the chicken thing, as big of a douche as the villainous attorney is, I have to say I sided with him about the sharing thing.  And I think there's definitely some gender bias going on there ... had the guys caught the chickens and kept them for themselves they would have been portrayed extremely poorly.  Which brings me to the decision at the challenge.  Are these women serious?  Playing the "I thought men would be chivalrous" card?  This is a game.  It's day one, and you get faced with the decision of either accepting immunity or giving the other team a chance to win it.  It's a balance beam, one person not being able to make it across and you're toast.  It happens all the time.  You accept it and you're safe and automatically not the first one gone.  That's crucial, it's not time to be worrying about getting opposite tribe jury votes on day one.

The worst part for me is that it seems like the season is shaped up to go down a very predictable narrative.  It's way too early to predict that, but it seems obvious to me.  The women being so dysfunctional does not seem like it's something that will correct itself, especially with the cancerous younger loudmouths.  Meanwhile, there's the 4 young alpha male alliance for the guys.  Even if Colton was theoretically able to blindside one with a HII, they're just going to eat him alive after ward.  This is all just blind speculation of course, and I really hope the season doesn't go that way.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on February 15, 2012, 11:06:50 PM
I don't know whether this was one of the worst opening shows in Survivor history, or one of the worst episodes ever, period. Wow, mega-lame from start to finish. I won't repeat all of Cyclone's points as I agree with all of them, but this really disappointed me (also being a first-hour fan of Survivor).

The good news is that the new season of The Amazing Race starts on Sunday and for sure it won't/can't be as bad as tonight's Survivor episode was.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on February 16, 2012, 08:27:57 AM
I only watched the first 20 minutes or so and to be honest, that might be all I need to see this season. Granted, I really don't watch this show; I am a casual watcher when Mark watches it (I prefer the Amazing Race). But this guy vs girl thing is going to make for a long season IMO if the show carried on in the same vein as the first part I saw.

I will argue that I agree that the women shouldn't have shared the chicken. Probably gender bias. Mark also felt that it was stupid that they didn't because the guys had already moved on from the truck incident but I can guarantee you that the women hadn't forgotten. I get that this is a game but to totally f people over in the first five minutes and not see how that is going to play out later on is short-sighted. To me, the guys were acting like a bunch of immature teenagers and the women, well, they weren't much better honestly. How I saw it based on the female POV: if you screw us over, we are going to screw you over so now we are even.

For the record, that lawyer is a douche and probably beats (physically or verbally) the people he dates in real life. Not joking here. Psychopathic boss who spends more time working on his abs than his interpersonal skills.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on February 17, 2012, 12:07:04 PM
This goes down as the single lamest opening episode in Survivor history.  The evac wasn't the issue for me, but like you guys, it was the handling of it.  I won't re-state everything you guys said, but I agree with most of it.

Things I didn't like:

1. The chicken thing was crap.  You are 100% right, if the men did it... it would be brought up every single episode.

2. Of course you take the gimme win.  However, the craptastic edit leaves the simpleton viewer without the reminder that with the broken wrist evac, they automatically lost anyway.  However, ALWAYS TAKE THE WIN.

3. Supah Dupah Colton has to be the dumbest player ever.  I get that he's gay.  I get that he wanted to be on the girl's team.  I get that he doesn't bond with the men.  However, this has to be the worst opening move ever.  Maybe he'll recover, probably he won't.  Why do you play every card you have on Day 2?

4. Alicia "MIRA MIRA MIRA" and her "I'll go all stereotypical hostile Hispanic woman on you!" antics. 


Things I liked:

1. Nina's faceplant and the resulting marks.  Awesome!

2. Alicia's choice in underwear.  For once (or maybe luck) someone thought "Hmmm... I might be walking around for weeks on television in my undercrackers... I'm not 19 & ultra-thin, but I'm not 50 & fat either... maybe I should pick something in a dark color, flattering style and that doesn't look embarassing?"  Everyone knows you're going to wind up in your undies and/or your bathing suit most of the time.  Think ahead.

3. Chelsea.  I'm hoping she's going to go a long way.  I like her.

4. The dudes and the fire. 

5. The whole sharing a beach thing.  I like that.  One world, solid concept so far.

Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on February 17, 2012, 12:19:21 PM
Oh and I will add that the entire concept of chivalry (despite my mother's protests) is stupid.  Being nice to your fellow humans is awesome and something that should be done regardless of gender.

If you tell me that women should get the same pay as men, I will agree with you.
If you tell me that women are as smart or smarter or dumber than men depending on who you compare them to (basically not as an entire gender being better or worse, but equal), I will agree with you.
If you tell me that women can do anything a man can do, I will mostly agree with you... I can't have a baby, you can't reliably pee standing up and facing forward.  I can't menstruate, you can't produce sperm.  Anything biological... basically.
If you tell me that a woman is better than me for a job, I will never look at her as inferior who got lucky.  Of course, people are better than me... men or women.
If you tell me that women deserve equal rights, I say ABSOLUTELY.  It's insanity to suggest otherwise.


So women in the US and other places in the world have spent the last 40-50 years telling the rest of the world they are equal to men.  I've bought in 100% and believe it to the core of my being.  Other than certain biological things... there is nothing a woman can't do that I can do.  Then a certain subset of women demand chivalry.  You don't get to get out from under the glass ceiling, out of the barefoot/pregnant mindset, "awww shucks, you're so cute and stupid" and then hang on to the vestiges of it.  You want chivalry, you don't get to be equal.  You are inferior.

I don't think women are inferior, so why should they be treated as such?  Thus chivalry (not common courtesy and ample human kindness to EVERYONE) is stupid and worthless.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on February 17, 2012, 12:37:22 PM
Oh and I will add that the entire concept of chivalry (despite my mother's protests) is stupid.  Being nice to your fellow humans is awesome and something that should be done regardless of gender.

If you tell me that women should get the same pay as men, I will agree with you.
If you tell me that women are as smart or smarter or dumber than men depending on who you compare them to (basically not as an entire gender being better or worse, but equal), I will agree with you.
If you tell me that women can do anything a man can do, I will mostly agree with you... I can't have a baby, you can't reliably pee standing up and facing forward.  I can't menstruate, you can't produce sperm.  Anything biological... basically.
If you tell me that a woman is better than me for a job, I will never look at her as inferior who got lucky.  Of course, people are better than me... men or women.
If you tell me that women deserve equal rights, I say ABSOLUTELY.  It's insanity to suggest otherwise.


So women in the US and other places in the world have spent the last 40-50 years telling the rest of the world they are equal to men.  I've bought in 100% and believe it to the core of my being.  Other than certain biological things... there is nothing a woman can't do that I can do.  Then a certain subset of women demand chivalry.  You don't get to get out from under the glass ceiling, out of the barefoot/pregnant mindset, "awww shucks, you're so cute and stupid" and then hang on to the vestiges of it.  You want chivalry, you don't get to be equal.  You are inferior.

I don't think women are inferior, so why should they be treated as such?  Thus chivalry (not common courtesy and ample human kindness to EVERYONE) is stupid and worthless.

I agree, common courtesy is worth so much more than chivalry. Kind of like the women who disdain men for holding a door open for them but then being mad when they don't hold the door. Make up your freaking mind. I hold the door for anyone behind me, regardless of age, race, sex, etc. Just the nice thing to do. I know the girl who broke her wrist probably seemed worthless but she was actually the only one I liked right off the bat. The other one's are bitchy, catty, and generally the type of female that I want to punch in the face. You know, the one's that go on the Bachelor? They make all women look stupid, petty and just in general ridiculous.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on February 23, 2012, 12:00:54 AM
what a weird episode tonight. The girls got clobbered again in both challenges. I was losing interest in the first half hour but the second half hour was great TV watching. First there was the immunity challenge (which I thought was nicely thought out--I keep thinking how many more of these challenges can the producers come up with), in which it was so clear that Kat was so out of it. Then there was the TC, in which it became so clear that Kat had to go, but no, the women still voted out Nina... wow...
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on February 23, 2012, 12:12:37 AM
Underwhelming episode tonight by just about every measure.  The women falling further and further into total dysfunction, blowing another challenge that I feel was probably tailor made for them to win, another person on that tribe that I feel is almost just as miserable as Alicia (Kat), the "DIY reward challenge" was about as underwhelming as it sounds, but most importantly, the editing being awful and wildly inconsistent.  

I get that Colton is going to be the producer's sacred cow "character" this season that hogs airtime, but so much so early is Hantz-esque, and that is a very bad thing.  And maybe there's the possibility that he'll be an early boot so they're going to milk him for all he's worth now, but it's still overkill.  How is it that Leif, the first little person in the show's history, has yet to have a single confessional through the first two episodes?  And after being built up as a despicable uber-villain in the premiere, the attorney isn't even visible in this one?  Others on that tribe barely even count as having been introduced as well.  Troyzan was someone who I thought would be a big character pre-show, and he has had maybe one confessional.  Yeah, we're only two episodes in, but some of that is unforgivable.

I guess the one redeeming thing is that I liked Sabrina even more this episode, and Monica was portrayed pretty positively as well.  But I'm still having a hard time connecting with that tribe at all due to the abrasive attitudes of Alicia and Kat.  In a few episodes Alicia will probably have descended into full on Na Onka mode, and won't that be a joy.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: trixi on February 25, 2012, 12:32:02 AM
I'd be the Colton of the women's tribe.  Just get me away from these crazy people who have no sense of how to win, or I should say, the majority of them don't.  And the few that do see the problems refuse to stand up and be heard. 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on February 26, 2012, 11:03:05 AM
The challenge being HEAVILY weighted in the women's favor is accurate.  When they have done this challenge in the past, the smallest, lightest people have excelled.  Namely, the women for the most part.

How they botched that freebie, is insane.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on February 27, 2012, 10:05:35 AM
I was embarrassed to be a woman when I watched that ep. How ridiculous. I think I would be happy to be voted off if those were the people I had to work with.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on March 01, 2012, 10:37:18 AM
Really strange episode.

First, the men all of a sudden losing two challenges.  About halfway through Troyzan's missing of about 10 of those memory challenges in a row (in addition to some of his questionable facial expressions), I was starting to wonder if the men didn't throw that challenge.  But it was for reward and fishing supplies, so that clearly wasn't so.  But something about the way it was edited just seemed "off" to me.  Not really sure, maybe it was just that the men seemed to not care initially because they figured they'd just dominate it like they had been doing. 

And then there was the huge choke at the immunity challenge.  Although I found it slightly unfair that each puzzle was exactly the same and visible to each other (which is obviously why the women caught up so quickly), I give them credit for finally pulling one out.  Even though there have been many puzzle chokes, that has to be one of the worst, Bill already had some of his together before the women were even off of the course.

Exactly how bad was the gameplay of the fratboy alliance?  You don't have to be a premiere strategist to figure out that 4 vs. 5 isn't going to work.  That was simply bizarre.  I guess the strategy was just for Matt to try to swing Troyzan after they lose a challenge and expect that to work?  It's painful to watch that bad of play. 

Jonas is probably the only player from the men's tribe I'm actually rooting for. 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on March 01, 2012, 11:00:47 AM
Agreed.  Basic math problems.  Duh.  I had kinda assumed that they already had a 5th in their pocket, but that was expecting too much.  I would have thought they would've tried to make Leif the 5th because other than his height, he seems to fit that club better than any of the others.

Matt's chat with Troyzan was spot on, but with some extremely poor word choices.  If he was a better lawyer, he could have pulled that one off in a big way.  He had the right approach, just dropped the ball.  The average joe gang isn't going to beat the girls like the type a's would have.


As in real life, Survivor shows that underlings make horrible leaders.  A tribe with Tarzan (why do we get TWO idiots who want to be -zans in one season???) in charge is a tribe that can be beat by the girls team which WAS the most pathetic tribe in a long time.  Colton's game still sucks.  He is an idiot.

I can't even begin to tell you how low my opinion is of most of those girls.  I'd be setting up a 50' perimeter around the guy's camp and tell them to stay outside of it or embers will rain on their shelter.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: c-lando on March 01, 2012, 12:18:41 PM
I can't even begin to tell you how low my opinion is of most of those girls.  I'd be setting up a 50' perimeter around the guy's camp and tell them to stay outside of it or embers will rain on their shelter.
But all they want is an ember. So, you'd be playing right into their hands.  ::)
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on March 01, 2012, 04:06:58 PM
Matt's chat with Troyzan was spot on, but with some extremely poor word choices. 

And it needed to be done long before the scrambling period before a Tribal.  That made it the classic desperate plea from someone who's on the chopping block.  That's why the fratboy alliance/strategy is so bizarre to me.  It's like they either simply didn't realize it was 4 vs. 5, which I find hard to believe, or they just expected to literally win out on immunity and didn't consider the consequences.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on March 01, 2012, 11:09:59 PM
As others have said already, a really strange episode, but also strangely enjoyable. After the disastrous start of the women, they somehow managed to with the immunity challenge, and are now only down 1 person. Wow.

I cannot get my head or arms around either tribe at this point. It seems many things are unsettled, which is a good thing to be honest. In the last couple of seasons there wer pretty early a clear direction into how things were going, which is completely absent now.

Picking up on something that cyclone mentioned at some point: the little guy (first ever on Survivor) has gotten no screen time or talk time, STILL. None! Wow. How is this possible? Is it because after he got cast and was out there, the producers came to the conclusion that he has nothing to add to keep the show interesting? Surely he'd gotten less TV attention/coverage than anyone else so far...

That said, bottom line: I'm still watching
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on March 07, 2012, 09:43:45 PM
Gotta say, this is probably easily the closest I have ever came to stopping watching a season, but since that will never happen as I've seen every single episode dating back to 12 years ago, it's easily the least enthusiastic and utterly annoyed/bored/disgusted I ever been with this show.  Typically when a season is bad, it's because it features boring (predictable) gameplay, has a bad cast, or has some new twist that ends up negatively effecting the show (usually a combination of all of these).

This season is literally representative of everything that is wrong about what Survivor has become.  The cast is like one big group of cardboard cut-outs that CBS hand-chose simply to stir up controversial "drama" by creating "characters" that they hope will create buzz.  I have never seen a more unlikeable cast in 24 seasons - and I say that with 100% certainty, not an overreaction.  On the men's tribe you have Colton, who is like a flamboyant homosexual version of Russell Hantz.  And I can't believe I'm actually defending Hantz, but at least Hantz actually thought he was playing to win the game (even if in reality he didn't have the foresight to realize that his social game was a joke and he never had a chance of winning).  Colton's social game is even worse, as he's playing the token character card, being intentionally abrasive, racist, hypocritical, lazy and generally loathsome.  But what's even worse than that is that Colton knows that what he's doing is playing an abysmal social game that will cause neither tribe to vote for him in the end, and he knows that he's doing it to be a character and that rather than being ridiculed, Probst and CBS will celebrate the whole thing by having a "villain" to promote for the season and let him hog all the confessionals, etc.  And who else do you have?  Some loony middle-aged plastic surgeon named "Tarzan" who probably wears zumba pants and sits there defending Colton and pretending like racism has been eliminated from society.  It's a whole tribe of gutless hacks who have no business being on my screen.

I don't even have anything to add about tonight's decision for the tribe to give up immunity.  It's a decision not worth my time or effort to even acknowledge it.

And here's another complaint - can CBS please initiate a rule at challenges that each tribe's performance should be separate, with a series of obstacles that each tribe actually has to, you know, complete on their own?  I pointed out last week how the women caught up so quickly (and won) because they just copied the guy's puzzle.  Tonight they are allowed to walk over to the guy's completed puzzles, study them, then go back and copy it?  How is that a good idea or fit into the rest of the Survivor rules by any measure at all?  Probst doesn't have a problem putting people in their place when they attempt to cheat or do things wrong at challenges yet they're content with that kind of stuff happening?  Give me a break.

Next week's preview has to elude to a tribal swap, which I predicted ever since the men vs. women was announced.  But it will take a bonafide miracle to to save this abomination of a season.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: luisterpaul on March 07, 2012, 09:53:12 PM
I'm always amazed this show is still going.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on March 07, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
I'm always amazed this show is still going.

Despite my rant above it's still my favorite show of all-time and, odd as it may sound, has been a big source of entertainment in my life for 12 years now. 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on March 07, 2012, 10:48:48 PM
I had to work late so tuned in at 8:25, just when the IM came on. I was floored by how incompetent the women were, once again.

Then, the decision of the guys to nevertheless go to TC, what can you say? Nothing, really.

Colton is quickly becoming in my book the most irritating contestant ever, and like cyclone, I've watched every single season.

I thought Probst did a great job at TC given the circumstances, pointing out the ridicuous things that were being said and going on.

That said, this is shaping up as the worst season ever, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on March 11, 2012, 12:09:01 PM
I've been as busy as a one-legged man in a butt-kicking contest this week.  I finally sat down and watched this episode late last night.


Ugh.  That's it.  Ugh.  OH and and in: disgusting.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on March 20, 2012, 03:26:49 PM
In the midst of this disastrous season, I thought I would link everyone to a brand new podcast (http://robhasawebsite.com/richard-hatch-survivor-one-world-celebrity-apprentice.html) with Richard Hatch, the notorious winner of the first season and still one of my all-time favorites, partly due to the fact that I think he's a fascinating, brilliant guy, and also for the story he's trying to get across after all of his post-Survivor legal battles.  He recently got out of jail (again) and offers a lot of insight on his experience with the whole tax evasion fiasco he's been battling for years, feeling he was discriminated against by the corrupt system, though partly what got him back in jail the second time was speaking the way he currently is.  He's also asked a lot about the current season of Survivor, as he's being interviewed by ex-Survivor Rob Cesternino.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on March 21, 2012, 09:25:16 PM
One of the best episodes of all-time?  Yes.

1. That cowardly, pathetic, racist, bigoted, "be outlandishy abrasive for the cameras" joke is off my television.  Given the Hantz-esque edit he was getting via the blatant confessional hogging, this is probably my favorite elimination of all-time.  And sorry if I'm not being more sympathetic to the injury.  This is, after all, someone who told someone they can "go jump in a fire", call a little person an oompa loompa and claim someone to be "ghetto trash" for the simple reason that they weren't caucasian.  Not that I wish ill will on horrible people either.  But Colton was on this show simply to try to be that character.  He wasn't playing to win.  His social game was even miles worse than Russell's.  He played to get attention as a despicable gay "villain" character.  Bye.

2. The merge.  No matter how miserable the pre-merge can be, and this was a pretty miserable one, with the lackluster men vs. women twist and Colton oversaturation, post-merge is a whole new game and will make or break the season. 

What's up with Tarzan's eerie loyalty to Colton and Alicia?  He all but directly defended Colton when he made the racist comments, and now he's defending Alicia.  Guy's a hack. 

I like Jonas, and I like the fact that there are actually a number of strong women players ... Sabrina, Kim and Chelsea.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on March 21, 2012, 11:05:18 PM
I'll respectfully disagree that this was one of the all-time best episodes ever. I'll call it instead one of the most desperate episodes ever.

First of all, I was perplexed and appalled by the personal name-calling and attacks of both Colton and Alicia in the early going. I have never seen this at this level on Survivor, ever. So yea, it was sweet justice to see him carted off. But the drama!

Second, after Colton was carted off, the episode had nothing left. Then there was the "startling" TC in which it was then revealed that this was the merge. Whoa? After only 2 episodes since the tribe change? and with 12 players left? This smacks of utter desparation of the producers to salvage the season, at whatever cost.

As an aside, what a complete imbecil Kat is. Utterly ignorant of the appendicitis condition, I mean, really?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on March 21, 2012, 11:33:45 PM
I'll respectfully disagree that this was one of the all-time best episodes ever. I'll call it instead one of the most desperate episodes ever.

Yeah, I was being sarcastic at something actually redeeming happening this season.  But a pre-merge exit for Colton breathes an enormous amount of fresh air in this season.  The only equivalent I can think of is imagining if Russell had been a pre-merge boot in Samoa.  Not only with the position of power he was in, but the amount of airtime the producers gave him meaning we haven't even got to know 75% of the cast.  Granted, I understand CBS wanting to milk the Colton character for all that it's worth since he only listed like 5 weeks, but it still doesn't make up for the fact that, say, the first little person on the show has about two confessionals this far in.  And I also don't give CBS the benefit of the doubt for glorifying Colton's racist, bigoted pseudo-bullying because they got a "character" out of it.  Rather, Probst and the producers should have taken off their "let's make controversial TV" hat and called out that kind of ridiculous behavior at a Tribal.  That kind of crap made me embarrassed to have constantly defended the show against all of the other horrible reality TV out there.

And yeah, I don't like the merge at 12 either, but they have actually done that for several seasons now so it didn't really bother me.  But remember how uneven the tribes ended up after the tribal swap?  We were now left with Jonas, Tarzan, Leif and Alicia vs. Michael, Jay, Troyzan and several strong women.  I'd rather just see a merge with the interesting caveat of being down to 6 men and 6 women than the weak tribe just lose and get picked apart a few more weeks.

Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on March 22, 2012, 08:35:11 AM
thank god colton's gone. the wife and i would've kept watching, but he's just a hateful person. so is alicia. it's an embarrassment to my profession that she's a teacher. it was amusing to watch her scramble after colton left.. god smited the asshole.

and yes, cbs missed a great chance to call out colton for his myopic world view.

and not giving away the hii? brat. spoiled brat. way to help your tribe/alliances. the really sad part about him is i bet he's at home watching and believing he's god's gift to earth, not seeing what a loathsome person he really is.

jonas made a case for me to root for him. i'm not a huge fan of the women after their beginnings, but whoever has the idol and her friend are smart and strong. should make a deep run.




Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on March 22, 2012, 09:48:04 PM
and not giving away the hii? brat. spoiled brat. way to help your tribe/alliances.

I'm actually glad he did keep it though, because obviously he would have given it to Alicia, who sucks only slightly less than Colton (not letting someone in the shelter to sleep).  And it's like this cast treated the HII like it was 2006 again and it was just introduced into the game, where no one wants to come within ten feet of the idol.  Modern casts usually recognize that it's very simple to make the HII obsolete - split the votes, flush it out, boot that person next week.  Pretty simple.  But this cast treated it like it was some untouchable superpower, hence Colton's rise to power.  So yeah, I'm glad it's gone rather than going into another hack's pocket.

I also find it kind of hilarious how Kim found her HII after the men vs. women twist was over, so she just got to keep it for herself.  Meanwhile back when Sabrina found hers, the rules were that you had to give it to someone on the other tribe.  So the men had to know the rules and that Colton got his from Sabrina (even if they tried to hide that, I'm sure it came up in mingling with the "one world" twist), and I guess they either just didn't care to go find theirs since they had to just give it to the women, or just simply never went to go look for it.  Either way, that was extremely lucky/fortunate for Kim.  Not only does she find the idol hidden at the men's camp, but she did so after the "give it away" rules were done with.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on March 23, 2012, 08:56:34 AM
How uncomfortable watching how horrible Colton was to (sorry forgot her name, is it Christina?) that half of the episode he was on it. He and Alicia of course. What a b******. Mark and I kept saying over and over again: she is a Special Ed teacher? I wonder how many of her student's parents are watching and have already pulled their kids from her classroom. She is a mean, horrible, immature person. I have met people like her and acted like that when they were in high school/early college. She shouldn't be responsible for kids, much less kids with special needs. And what was up with Colton complaining about (again name?) Christina when she was the only girl on their team hustling in the challenge. And Jeff Probst was awesome by putting Alicia down in that challenge. It was a satisfying moment seeing Colton leave and Alicia squirm. Very disappointing the team didn't have a chance to vote her butt off before a merge though. That would have been double karma.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on March 29, 2012, 09:55:16 PM
Halfway through last night's episode I got a call that I needed to drive to the hospital because my sister was in labour.  At about 4AM amidst the 9-hour hospital stay, I booted up my sister's iPad in the waiting room to finish the episode online.  I couldn't find a link to the full episode, so I had to scroll through the recent clips, and right there was "Jonas the day after."  So that sucked.  Not only because it spoiled the ending for me but also because Jonas was probably my favorite.  But I just got around to finishing the episode.

Felt like Jonas went too soon.  Typically when "threats" get voted off early post-merge they actually are visible threats, usually they tend to "play too hard" so to speak and so they get targeted right after the merge to prevent a deep run.  Some recent examples off the top of my head would be Marty and Tyson.  But Jonas, while I feel he was playing a decent game, didn't really do anything to be perceived as a threat at all.  It was just a continuation of his bad luck in the game, like being forced to align with Colton even after the tribal swap. He just fell victim to the dreaded "let's keep the disposable, loony quack instead" strategy.  I don't really care to write anything about Tarzan.  I'm really over the loony "characters" on Survivor.  The Tarzans, the Phillips, the (original) Coach.  I don't find it funny.  I find it a waste of a casting opportunity.  Plus Tarzan is racist.  As you'll recall with Colton's whole racist Tribal fiasco, Tarzan basically agreed with him, claiming that racism doesn't exist because there is a black president.  And after last night's episode, Jeff Probst came out and said that Tarzan actually said "I can't look at that Asian face anymore" referring to Jonas.

Another thing that occurred to me during this episode is that none of the guys on this season are really getting what I would consider a "winner's edit."  For example, Mike and Jay have gotten pretty little airtime for being young alpha male types.  Leif, who in fairness has seemed pretty clueless strategy-wise, has pretty much been ignored despite being the show's first little person.  Troyzan I suppose has been edited fairly positively, plus he is now a HII-finder, but up to this point he has been portrayed in more of a goofy way than a strong player way.  And Tarzan is just the season's token goat.  Meanwhile I feel that Kim, Chelsea and Sabrina have all played pretty well and that we're also supposed to be left with that impression via the editing.  I just can't see who from the guys I can say the same about regarding the editing.  But with this huge merge, there's still time left for that to change.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: c-lando on March 30, 2012, 08:33:48 AM
I was definitely disappointed to see Jonas go so soon.

I think you're spot-on about the guys not getting much face time. It's all about the ladies. Just to put it out there, my gut is telling me Sabrina might take the whole thing.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 04, 2012, 10:23:46 PM
So, has this season turned into Micronesia 2.0, with Kim orchestrating an all women alliance to the end like Parvati?  Certainly looks that way now.

I'm kind of surprised they edited Mike so quietly, because tonight could have played out like a pretty epic blindside.  Not that I expect much better from editing these days.  And maybe he just really wasn't doing much to give them material.  But it seemed like more of a "he's an early merge boot, who cares" kind of thing. 

I was disappointed to see Troyzan duped so easily by Kim's oldest trick in the book.  The "____ wants you out" lie.  Troyzan is probably the best male player left out there, so that should tell you something about this season's strategic play.  And it is downright absurd that the men would ultimately agree to boot two of their own right after the merge without having the foresight to see what was actually happening.  Well, Jay apparently did, but predictably froze up and settled with his place in the pecking order.

I will say that if Kim pulled off the win, she would easily be one of the best female winners.  I do have to question whether or not she may have played too aggressively tonight, however.  Even though it ultimately worked thanks to the stupidity of the men, the idea to blindside Mike in hopes that the info wouldn't leak out to Jay and the rest was pretty short-sighted and would have been disastrous if attempted with players who were actually playing.  And she seemed a little too anxious to reveal some details with her spiel at Tribal.  Unless it was just edited to look that way, Troyzan's facial expressions revealed that he suddenly knew exactly what was going on with the cross-alliances antics.  The preview showed Troyzan/Jay doing some big time strategic scrambling, for which I respect, and I guess technically it wouldn't be impossible, for example, to get Alicia and Christina to flip, who weren't really "in" on the all women alliance.  Their best play might be to try to leverage Troyzan's HII in exchange for votes, though I hate saying that because I liked the fact that for once he actually kept the idol to himself rather than going to tell an alliance/tribe/etc. 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on April 10, 2012, 11:20:06 PM
well I've fallen off the band wagon. I missed the last 2 episodes due to other commitments and I thought I'd catch the episodes in relay on the CBS website, but I haven't found the time, or the interest...

I think I'll watch tomorrow night, just out of curiosity but I have no idea what is going on (nor have I read the previous posts). But bottom line is that for the first time ever, I don't feel compelled to keep up <sigh>
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 11, 2012, 09:55:44 PM
I think tonight was one of the best episodes in a while.

It was nice to see someone have to actually scramble/play and actually do something worthwhile, i.e. Troyzan.  Yeah, all he did was save himself another day, but it was nice to see someone actually use a HII properly.  If he had gotten a couple of others to vote with him (and I really don't know why Tarzan and Leif wouldn't at this point), a Kim blindside there would have been a game changer.  Alas, Jay deserved his boot after some of the mind-boggling-ly bad gameplay I've seen in a while, still feeling like the game didn't shift to men vs. women after they had just voted two guys out after the merge.  I was a little surprised Kim didn't panic and pull out her HII, though the editing was probably trying to fool us into thinking she thought she was in more danger than she was with the girls being solid in their vote(s).

Next week's Troyzan vs. everyone episode should be pretty fun, especially if he managed to win individual immunity.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on April 11, 2012, 11:11:28 PM
I watched tonight, having missed the previous 2 episodes. Agree with all of cyclone's comments.

That aside, I couldn't help but again notice how little screen time is given to the little guy (Leif). I mean, other than the IC, none, really. This has been a constant from the beginning. And I'm guessing that he'll be around for the long term, since nobody is thinking of him as a threat. Which he could be, or not, who knows? We have been given no insight, none, on the guy's strategic thoughts, if any.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 12, 2012, 12:58:49 AM
And I'm guessing that he'll be around for the long term, since nobody is thinking of him as a threat.

Barring Troyzan going on an individual immunity run, Leif and Tarzan will be the last two men voted off before it's down to all women, as they're the disposable non-threats.  The few times that Leif has been shown gameplay-wise, he has been pretty clueless, as seen tonight at the challenge when he fell for Chelsea's "step down and you won't be perceived as a threat" line.  Obviously no one actually perceives him as a threat.  He has been extremely overmatched in the challenges and hasn't done anything strategically. 

If it gets down to all women and Kim doesn't pull it off, it would be pretty disappointing.  She hasn't done anything in particular to make me a huge fan personally, but like I said before, she has been one of the better female players I can remember in some time.  I liked Sabrina a lot initially, but she hasn't showed much at all ever since the tribal swap.  That could change when it comes down to an all women game though.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on April 12, 2012, 10:17:19 PM
I'm still waiting to see how Chelsea and Sabrina's games play out.  I agree with what you said.

There isn't much opinion to be had from us viewers in this season.  Most things have been cut n' dried. 

I will go on record to say that Kim's edit points to some Price Is Right fail music coming soon.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 17, 2012, 03:39:34 PM
So apparently info regarding next season (which is currently filming in the Philippines - new location!) has leaked out.  **These are not literal spoilers - just information regarding next season's returning players.  So if you don't want to know who the (possible) returning players are, don't read on, but these aren't actual "spoilers" **

Supposedly, there will be three different tribes, with each one having one returning player.  Those returning players are Michael Skupin, Jonathan Penner and Russell Swan - all of whom were medically evacuated their original time out. Skupin was the guy who infamously fell in the fire all the way back in Australia, the second season, the one with Colby, Tina and Elizabeth Hasselbeck.  Penner is the sharp-witted strategist who returned for Fans vs. Favorites and suffered some kind of knee/leg injury.  Swan was the black Russell with dreadlocks who was on Russell Hantz' original season.  He was the leader of the opposing tribe who basically passed out at a challenge and had to leave the game.

If this turns out to be true, I have mixed feelings.  I am completely over returning players, especially returning players being chosen to "lead" a tribe of new players, but these choices are a lot more innocent than the previous choices of bringing back the Russells, Coaches, Robs and Ozzys.  A "second chance" type deal for strong players who suffered an injury isn't something I have major issues with on paper, but I'd still just prefer all-new casts.  I don't dislike any of those players, as none of them are "characters" and I was actually a big fan of Penner and Swan on their original seasons, so I guess if they're going to continue this trend, I could live with it in this case.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on April 17, 2012, 11:07:28 PM
I'm okay with returning players, actually.

And having THREE tribes? I guess 6 players each?

Just reading what you posted, cyclone, makes me look forward to next season, as this season is the least memorable I can ever remember.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on April 18, 2012, 11:07:06 PM
That's about the only scenario I'd be cool with.


TONIGHT... the level of stupidity was so frustrating.  "It's basic math, but... I don't know"  IDIOTS.  I'm rooting for them all to collapse and get medi-vac'd.  The whole lot of them.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 19, 2012, 12:04:38 AM
And having THREE tribes? I guess 6 players each?

They have done three tribes before, but it has been a while.  The original All-Stars had 3 tribes.  And then a couple seasons, like the one that started with the ridiculous "divided by race" twist actually had like 4 or 5 tribes.  On paper I hope it means that they make the editing a lot more even as far as airtime and character development goes, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 19, 2012, 12:19:26 AM
TONIGHT... the level of stupidity was so frustrating.  "It's basic math, but... I don't know"  IDIOTS.  I'm rooting for them all to collapse and get medi-vac'd.  The whole lot of them.

I'm enjoying the Troyzan as Terry from Panama storyline.  One guy vs. a whole tribe is pretty great.  I just hope that, like Terry, Troyzan actually at least wins a few more immunities to make it interesting.  And I personally love how Troyzan's doing it.  While I kind of agree with Chelsea regarding what she said about Jonas, there's a difference in taking a boot "like a man" as in not taking the game personally (i.e. the really emotional jury moments) and not rolling over and dying like so many players do.  So seeing Troyzan out there isolating himself, looking for the HII in front of everybody and threatening to win all the challenges, I don't know, I think that's pretty great.

But yeah, Tarzan voting for Leif?  Christina thinking she's better off with the girls?  The casting department should probably start being held accountable for choosing these select duds in the vast sea of opportunities out there.

It's kind of amazing that through 24 seasons, no one has successfully achieved the "win out" strategy of just winning their way to the finals via the immunity challenges.  It's incredibly difficult to do given how much the challenges vary, but you'd think that we would have seen it by now.  Terry from Panama came within one challenge of doing so, he lost on the final IC which was truly designed disastrously, as he lost to a 90lb girl in a "see who can stand on this tiny, flimsy platform in the water" challenge.  And then Ozzy made it all the way to the final IC before losing last season, though most of those wins were Redemption Island, so it wasn't quite the same.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: c-lando on April 19, 2012, 08:57:57 AM
... there's a difference in taking a boot "like a man" as in not taking the game personally (i.e. the really emotional jury moments) and not rolling over and dying like so many players do.  So seeing Troyzan out there isolating himself, looking for the HII in front of everybody and threatening to win all the challenges, I don't know, I think that's pretty great.
This x 2. Just because everyone else wants him out of the game doesn't mean he should give up. I don't understand when people get mad at someone for continuing to fight. The game ain't over till it's over. I have a lot of respect for Troyzan at this point, even when he does make taunting comments to the other players. He has to do whatever motivates him to keep moving on, though those comments may hurt him with some of the jury if he's in the finals.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on April 22, 2012, 09:27:52 PM
man, i hate the basic human response to power. always in this game when the group figures out they have the power, they expect the rest of the players to roll over, and resent them when they don't.  hey girls, the game is survivor, and everyone is in the game to play and win. shut up about someone else trying and playing their best to stay alive.

the men in this game were just dumb. they all deserve to leave the game. at least troy has figured out what's going on and is trying to fight. but too little too late.

agreed with the duds. no one wants to make the bold move to change the game, which troy offered last tribal. makes the watching fairly boring. it'd be nice to see more ppl try to play the game.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on April 22, 2012, 11:15:49 PM
It was amazing to see how Troy presented a clear and convincing case to the 4 bottom feeders on how they could change the game and take control, and STILL these stupid 4 bottom feeders did not take the clue and just went on their usual business. If there ever was a case of "I told you so", Troy surely has made it. Really a shame.

I'm rooting for Troy all the way at this point. And obviously then men have played a TERRIBLE game.

I'm trying to recall if the women have ever voted off all men and ended up with an all-women group towards the end. I don't think so but I'm not sure. Cyclone? 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 23, 2012, 10:08:41 AM
I'm trying to recall if the women have ever voted off all men and ended up with an all-women group towards the end. I don't think so but I'm not sure. Cyclone? 

There have been a few all-women finals at the end, but the only season that really had a strong all-women alliance that reached the end voting out all the guys was Micronesia (Fans vs. Favorites) in which Parvati won and led the alliance.

In Vanuatu, which was also men vs. women at the beginning like this season, it came down to something like 6-7 women and 1 man, Chris, though Chris actually managed to make it to the end and then win.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on April 23, 2012, 09:09:22 PM
Chris was amazing.  End of story.  I hated him all along and then I rooted for him.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 23, 2012, 11:44:45 PM
Chris was amazing.  End of story. 

Agreed ... very underrated winner/season.  Vanuatu was one of the first seasons I went back and rewatched in full and it's amazing that Chris actually cost the men the first challenge when he couldn't make it across the balance beam, making it seem like he was a surefire first boot.  So for him to manage to survive and then ultimately be the last man standing and outlast and beat the remaining 6 women, Chris had one of the best storylines of any of the winners as far as I'm concerned.  It's a shame that due to the fact that he was such a normal "got off the couch and played Survivor" type of guy and such an atypical reality show character, Probst and the producers probably never even considered bringing him back, and ultimately that's what made that season so forgettable (they instead brought back Ami and Eliza - yawn).

Couldn't help but scrounge up this picture of the infamous scene at Tribal when Chris screwed over a shocked Eliza.

(http://funny115.com/v1/91_62.jpg)
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on April 24, 2012, 07:40:02 PM
http://funny115.com/v1/91_62.jpg

I can't see that picture, but this is the whole story for anyone missing context on Chris vs. Eliza

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Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on April 25, 2012, 12:07:26 AM
watching the clip that Poncho posted brings back good memories. Great season that was!
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on April 25, 2012, 10:59:44 PM
another maddeningly frustrating episode tonight where the "underlings" have an opportunity to change the game around, and then don't. Kat is just pathetic. She is "upset" but in the end just follows orders, even though she says she doesn't want to be a follower or weak player, both of which she is in fact. Christina is so clueless, she's equally pathetic. Sorry to see Troyzan go.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 25, 2012, 11:38:28 PM
Thoughts going forward: eh.

I knew Troy winning his way to the end was a pipedream but I was hoping he would at least win a couple more to make it interesting.  That challenge sucked, by the way.  The slip 'n slide was cool but then seeing people try to toss some rings on a pole, miss, go get them, run back and keep trying again seemed kind of amateurish.  Anyway, it was actually a pretty brilliant strategy for Troy to learn who the split vote was for from the fragile Christina and then join in trying to vote her out.  And that stemmed back from the fact that he got them to believe he had found another HII.  I don't remember that strategy being done before.  Troy was a strong character and good player - a shame he was dealt such a crap hand.

The only interesting thing going forward will be to see whether Kim blows it or not.  I said several weeks ago that if she pulled off the win she would easily be one of the best female winners, and I maintain that that's true, although she has done a few things that make me question if she's actually been as dominant as the editing has led us to believe.  She has to at least be a shoe-in for the F3 at this point, especially since she still has a HII (bet you forgot about that, huh?).  Her last remaining move, I believe, would be to take out Sabrina, who I think is her main threat.  I think her plan is to bring Chelsea and Tarzan as the goat.  The latter might not be as smart as it looks on paper considering there will be a jury full of bitter men, but who knows.  Chelsea I suppose could have a small chance, but I think she played a poor social game and will be perceived as Kim's coattail rider, which she is.  Sabrina I think might be able to take her.  The rest are disposable pawns. 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on April 27, 2012, 02:38:26 PM
after much discussion, my wife and have have your winner: tarzan.

with 5 men on the jury, he has those votes locked. once the men broke apart after the merge, he's the only one who saw the writing on the wall and has played the goat, on purpose, to get to the final three. it explains his voting out the rest of the men, to make sure they were on the jury. once the women have to turn on themselves, they won't vote for each other when on the jury. that gives tarzan the 5 men votes and at least one of the women. with 9 on the jury, that's more than enough to win. sorry for the spoiler, but the "game's afoot".

or perhaps with the lack of any strategic play this season, we are manufacturing strategy to entertain ourselves.

at this point, the only folks i'd consider worthy of winning are kim and tarzan, if he's smart enough to have come up with the goat strategy. no one else has made any moves. and now they'll have to make moves borne on necessity, not of pure strategic brilliance.

Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on April 27, 2012, 11:30:05 PM
after much discussion, my wife and have have your winner: tarzan.

unless of course he gets voted off in the next episode, after failing to win immunity  ;)
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 28, 2012, 12:33:30 AM
after much discussion, my wife and have have your winner: tarzan.

with 5 men on the jury, he has those votes locked. once the men broke apart after the merge, he's the only one who saw the writing on the wall and has played the goat, on purpose, to get to the final three. it explains his voting out the rest of the men, to make sure they were on the jury. once the women have to turn on themselves, they won't vote for each other when on the jury. that gives tarzan the 5 men votes and at least one of the women. with 9 on the jury, that's more than enough to win. sorry for the spoiler, but the "game's afoot".

Interesting analysis.  I, too, have considered a Tarzan win, but here's where I disagree:

- Not sure if the early jury boots would be for a Tarzan vote.  I certainly wouldn't call them a "lock."  Obviously Troy would, as he was Kim's nemesis and didn't respect any of the girls.  Michael thought he was solid in Kim's alliance when they blindsided him, so theoretically he could be another Tarzan vote.  Jay I guess kind of fits in with the Michael line of thinking, although he seems like the type of soft jury member who will vote truthfully and not let the hurt feelings get in the way.  But the rest?  I can't see Jonas voting for him.  They really went at it the episode Jonas was booted, to the point where he even went over to tell Tarzan "no hard feelings" after the vote and Tarzan replied "hard feelings here" (nice social game there).  With Leif it's a question mark.  Even when he was rarely shown, we had no idea what kind of strategy he had, if any.

- On a more subjective note, I think you're giving Tarzan too much credit.  It saddens me that recognizing that you're useless and a goat is looked at as an actual strategy.  The goat strategy was originally created by strong players a few seasons in ... the first few seasons, it was different: Richard Hatch stayed true to his alliance as far as who he took to the end, Colby actually took Tina to the end and lost rather than taking the goat when he had the chance, etc.  Then great players like Brian Heidik recognized that an extra way to ensure a win is to sit next to someone who was just totally useless at the end to make it a no-brainer for the jury.  It has since became a prominent strategy that encourages weak, nonexistent gameplay.  Do I actually think Tarzan is a bright guy?  Yes.  Do I think he has strategically played the goat card?  Yes.  But I think it more has to do with the fact that he recognizes that he made no moves, was seen as goofy and dead weight, and decided to then play the goat card and pray to pull off a miracle rather than actually try to do something (i.e. make a move with Troy). 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on April 28, 2012, 02:26:31 PM
interesting counterpoints cyclone.

tarzan's a plastic surgeon. he has to have some intelligence. and as lame as the "goat" strategy is, it's second only to kim's strategic game. it seems to us that tarzan doesn't try during challenges, and purposely fails. the ring toss last week, he watched the other person win, before attempting his last tosses. either he's that lame, or is trying to be the goat genius. we're hoping the latter.

heck, the only strategy exhibited this season were kim, colton, and too late troy. jonas talked, but never was able to pull the trigger. alicia is a hanger on, appearing to have game by hanging with those who actually had strategy but not making any moves.

perhaps this is the post russell fallout, where instead of playing too much strategy and irritating everyone, the strategy choice of most players now is the "just make sure my name isn't written down" before every tribal. which was lief, jay, mike, christina, sabrina, and many early departures' strategy. so, if you don't want to be a leader, you hang out with the dynamic personalities who speak their minds, and when they say "i was thinking vote out ___" as long as that's not your name, you agree. it's a lamer strategy than playing the goat.

as for the jonas/tarzan exchange, i thought there was some kind of amicable resolution. being wrong about that, it means that jonas wouldn't vote for him. puts a hole in our idea.

kim's game has been strong, but she's left plenty of opportunities for others to usurp her, if there were any strategy being played by this cast. she'd be tested if any other cast member has any game. kat is so dumb, and kim is clever enough to play her. after winning the rc and not picking kat, she came back and played kat with the "it was terrible to win and have to pick ppl" line. classic psychology. it's so tough to be the leader and make the decisions, kat, you just be a good little soldier, don't think - i'm doing that for all of us, and stay in line. good manipulation, shame of kat for letting it work.

the previews for next week tease of the cat fight to come. i bet kim's name never comes up, that's how little game her minions have: instead of fighting to win, they're fighting to be 4th.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on April 28, 2012, 11:17:02 PM
the previews for next week tease of the cat fight to come. i bet kim's name never comes up, that's how little game her minions have: instead of fighting to win, they're fighting to be 4th.

sadly I think you are right. As I've mentioned before, there have been several moments that this game could've been turned around, and really make it interesting, such as this past episode when Troy pointed it out, but instead the minions do nothing. I would be very surprised if at this point Kim doesn't end up winning the whole thing. But I would love to be proven wrong, and maybe, just maybe Tarzan will emerge after all.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 29, 2012, 07:09:28 PM
and as lame as the "goat" strategy is, it's second only to kim's strategic game.

Yeah, no disagreement from me there, I just think of it more as a "lack of strategy turning into an actual strategy" kind of thing rather than one I think should actually be rewarded by the jury.  One thing that makes Tarzan different than the modern season's token goat is that he isn't playing the abrasive, "character" card (though he has managed to play a seemingly poor social game anyway).  By that I'm referencing, say, Phillip two seasons ago or Na Onka before that, who were not only goats but they played offensively horrible social games simply to be the goat at the end.  Russell even made himself a goat in that regard, although to his credit, he was playing to win the game even if he never figured out, three times through, that despite how hard you play, the social game is a key element.  Of course his excuse is that the game is inherently flawed in that regard (and to an extent that has a little merit with the whole "bitter jury" thing), but the reality is that a jury isn't going to vote for someone that they simply do not like.  And Colton was the same way this season.  Doesn't matter how hard you play, you're playing for second/third place when you if you ignore the social game. 

Kim is definitely in no danger and is basically already a F3 lock (in fact, her game reminds me of Boston Rob two seasons ago where he managed to skate to the end while also having a HII in pocket that will probably go obsolete).  I still think her last big move will be to take out Sabrina, who unless the editing is deceiving, probably thinks she's in the F3 alliance with Kim and Chelsea.  Who she decides to take to the end will be interesting.  I would think that she is a strong enough player she would recognize the Tarzan/5 men on the jury angle, despite how big of a goat she probably perceives him as.  Alicia is probably the best goat to take.  It has been toned down lately but she was awful in her confessionals toward the beginning and tried to be the female Colton.  That returned last week when she compared Christina to the special ed children she teaches.  Speaking of which, Christina would perhaps take the crown for absolute "least deserving" person to ever reach the finals.  With Kat you have to worry about people finding her lack of intelligence and maturity endearing.

Another thing that would at least help correct the encouragement of such weak strategy would be the return of a Final 2 as opposed to a Final 3.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on April 29, 2012, 10:40:35 PM
Another thing that would at least help correct the encouragement of such weak strategy would be the return of a Final 2 as opposed to a Final 3.
Couldn't agree more! I really wish they'd go back to a Final 2 format.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on May 02, 2012, 12:27:10 PM
Looks like I'll be at the Reds game tonight, so will be missing this (and not sure I care enough to catch up with the episode later on via the CBS website)...
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on May 09, 2012, 10:06:48 PM
With the suspense of a surprise Tarzan victory gone after tonight, I began to wonder if this isn't the least enthusiastic I've ever been for a finale episode this Sunday.  Just two seasons ago, there was Redemption Island in which I had never been so sure of who the victor was going in than Boston Rob.  Earl's win in Fiji was similar to that criteria as well, as was Brian's in Thailand.  And you can go back a long ways to a season like Marquesas in which the F2 was just completely underwhelming and forgettable, sure. 

But overall, I can't say I'm really looking forward to sitting through this 2-hour finale at all.  It's Kim, who has been an exceptional player no doubt but who has had no competition, Sabrina who I like but I don't believe could win based on her edit, and a bunch of goats.  Yes, I even include Chelsea as a goat given her cocky social game.  I guess the only thing I want to see is the most deserving player to win and that the bitter, predominantly male jury doesn't do something wacky and vote for something else.  And I kind of don't think they will, considering that would mean voting for someone like Christina or Alicia.  Sabrina is someone who could beat Kim, but again, her edit has been a little too invisible for the diehard Survivor fan in me.

Oh, and of all immunity challenges to recycle, they bring back the "stick fish bones on a fish with one arm tied behind your back" from a few seasons ago?  Man, that is easily one of the worst challenges ever.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on May 13, 2012, 11:28:57 PM
*Finale talk*

First off, good for Kim.  I don't want to keep repeating myself, but I said in this thread 6-7 weeks ago that if she pulled off the win, she would easily be one of the best female winners.  We'll see more how her victory sits over time, but right now I'd say she's right behind Parvati in that regard.  Her flaws?  One was external, the lack of competition.  All of the women obviously benefited greatly from the trainwreck that was the men on this season.  Their decision to vote out Jonas right after the merge and allow the all male pecking order to freefall is something I simply can't chalk up to great gameplay on Kim's part, because while she orchestrated it, there's a common lack of common sense in the equation of "there's 6 men and 6 women, let's vote out one of our own and hope the women are being honest" that is as much baffling bad gameplay on their part.  Just like it was when the goats like Christina, Alicia and Tarzan didn't vote with Troy because they actually thought they had a better chance of sticking with Kim.  All that being said, Kim did do a ton right, and did a great job of balancing the the emotional/strategic balance of the game.  On paper, she couldn't have played much better.  She found a HII (and didn't even have to use it), orchestrated a rare all women alliance, won a bunch of challenges down the stretch and was rewarded by the jury for taking her true alliance to the end rather than some goats, of which she had several to choose from.

A complaint: how do they honestly expect the winner to not be extremely obvious with that voting order they reveal?  Kim-Sabrina-Kim-Sabrina-Kim-Kim ... wow, do you really expect us to believe that Sabrina is going to come back at that point?  I know that's probably not something they put a lot of focus on but at least make it interesting.  It is, after all, the climax of the entire show.  

Mixed feelings about the calm/tolerant jury ... on one hand I respect the fact that the majority of them recognized that it's the game and didn't take it personally on an emotional level, it was a little boring that we got mostly praise and compliments from the jury rather than some scathing bitterness here and there ... probably a testament to the lack of fight in the players, as people like Jay and Leif had no game in the actual game either.

I liked at the reunion when Troy talked about getting complimented by fans for playing a great game, and Probst retorted that "people may have said that, but ultimately you were outplayed."  To which Troy responded "well yeah, outplayed and outdumbed."  Probst then quickly asked someone else a question, because he knew that Troy was right, obviously it was horrible gameplay for the people who chose not to vote with him, and their fate went exactly as expected ... Christina, Tarzan, Alicia and Kat.  And unlike Christina deciding to give people hugs, roll over and play dead, Troy played as hard as I've ever seen anyone on the chopping block play.  

Pretty bad season.  The oversatuartion of Colton made the pre-merge almost unbearable, and most of the gameplay post-merge was just nonexistant.  We actually had to start debating the merits of whether or not Tarzan's uselessness was actually the best strategy out there after Kim, let alone a strategy at all, so that should tell you something.  

It looks like the rumors I previously posted about next season are true, so let the countdown begin.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on May 14, 2012, 01:40:43 PM
I missed it all in the last few weeks. But I'm still up for the next season, which cannot be worse than what it was this past season. So I'm hopeful.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on May 18, 2012, 09:22:37 PM
Lame season.  Not the worst, but lame.  Kim deserved to win out of anyone left.  Chelsea would've gotten my vote for being much hotter, but sadly, she didn't do much else. 

Troy's comment was spot on, but you have to slap him for his biting on the Michael thing.  He bit and he bit hard.  He bit wrong.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on June 20, 2012, 11:24:00 AM
Offseason blues ...

It looks like season 26 (the season after next) is set to be a Fans vs. Favorites part II kind of thing. 

As you all know, I am completely over returning players and that overplayed element that they bring to the game, so this is a bit disappointing considering next season is already going to feature the 3 returning players leading 3 new tribes.  I guess at the very least it's better than having full-on All-Star seasons with no new players.  But I can't say I really expected anything else, the show's lifespan has to be winding down as it is now renewed past S25.  I wouldn't guess we'll see any new seasons after S30, but I've been wrong before (I predicted the big Heroes vs. Villains at 20 might have been it, and then I thought we might stop at 25). 

Seeing the suspected castlist of the "favorites" is probably what disappoints me the most, though.  And as a disclaimer, I have no idea how accurate these are, but I'm getting them from a source that I know tries very hard to weed out bad info and speculation.  I'm seeing Phillip, Cochran, Brandon Hantz, Erik (gave up the HII to get voted out in original Fans vs. Favorites), and a bunch of women that I doubt many here will remember ... Brenda, Andrea, Dawn.  I believe most of these were figured out from lack of social media activity as filming is currently taking place and so fourth.  That is a pretty atrocious list, with a bit of the cliche "second chance, redemption" angle vibe going on.  And generally seeing that list, I probably wouldn't believe it, but again, this site is generally pretty trustworthy.  So just a heads up.

Oh, and apparently ex-MLB player Jeff Kent is on next season.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on June 20, 2012, 11:42:23 AM
Given how poorly the most recent season fared, also declining sizeably in the ratings, I think Survivor is going to be on a pretty short leash, so yes we'll get the 2 upcoming seasons, but if the Fall season performs poorly again, I wouldn't be surprised if next Spring's season might be it. At least on CBS. Maybe it'll migrate away to a cable channel.

I know you have this huge aversion against returning players. I really don't care one way or another. Look at the most season. No returning players, and a crap season. For me it's all about the way the players shake out, how entertaining/strategic it is, etc. Whether it's with new players or returning players, I don't care. Last season, the entertainment value was the lowest it had ever been. I can only hope it gets better this Fall.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on June 20, 2012, 12:15:14 PM
Given how poorly the most recent season fared, also declining sizeably in the ratings, I think Survivor is going to be on a pretty short leash, so yes we'll get the 2 upcoming seasons, but if the Fall season performs poorly again, I wouldn't be surprised if next Spring's season might be it. At least on CBS. Maybe it'll migrate away to a cable channel.

Already being renewed through S26, I think it will at least make it to 30.  That's just speculation (for years now, it has been renewed by two seasons every year), but I can't really see it ending on a random number like 26.  The ratings angle is interesting, because it's really impossible to tell whether or not that's really a significant factor to them anymore.  Obviously, the show still gets millions of viewers and I'm sure that CBS would not be giddy to pull the plug on such a staple for going on 13 years now, but for about 10 of those past years, the show has moved into more of a niche market and further and further from the mainstream.  So in the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure how much the ratings are still a factor.  I think it will probably just be the point when Mark Burnett and/or Jeff Probst (who is an executive producer now) decide to pull the plug. 

And yeah, I'm not saying that new casts automatically mean better seasons, but to me those seasons are automatically more interesting and fresh from the start.  We've just seen so many returning players at this point that the way they shake out become predictable.  Look at the back-to-back seasons of two returnees leading two new tribes (Rob/Russell and Ozzy/Coach) ... Rob and Coach easily made the finals after their tribes kept them for leadership and experience at the beginning and then were to petrified to make a move later in the game.  Or in the original All-Stars, so many great players being voted out early leading us to an Amber victory.  So, to counter, I don't think you can automatically say that a returning player season will be better, either.  At any rate, getting poor results out of a season with a new cast is more a fault with CBS and casting than anything else.  Look at what they gave us to work with last season with the men's tribe, for example.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on August 20, 2012, 03:59:36 PM
Here's the cast (http://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/cast/?season=9/) of the new season, which starts in a little under a month.

As rumored, ex-San Francisco Giant Jeff Kent is on the show.

Of the rest, nothing seems too atypical of a standard Survivor cast.  A few middle-aged women to set off the surplus of young attractive model-types.  Maybe Roxy, the seemingly intelligent seminary student, can finally provide a character that isn't the usual showy, fundamentalist Christian.

Of the guys, Zane looks like perhaps the most atypical person they have cast.  Seems like almost a surefire very early boot.  Curious to see how Malcolm plays out, seems like he could be a decent character.

(BTW, there is a video preview with the cast on the site as well, which is what I'm basing these assumptions on)

And if anyone is interested in who the three "mystery" returning players are, I named them earlier in the thread.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on August 20, 2012, 05:51:04 PM
Not a word on the infamous Blair Warner?  SHAME ON YOU CYCLONE!
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on August 20, 2012, 09:07:44 PM
Not a word on the infamous Blair Warner?  SHAME ON YOU CYCLONE!

I did mean to mention her in my post for those interested, but I must admit that I had never heard of "The Facts of Life" sitcom before.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on August 26, 2012, 12:04:28 AM
So what is the starting date of the new Survivor season?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on August 26, 2012, 03:15:36 PM
So what is the starting date of the new Survivor season?

September 19th, 90-minute premiere.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on September 01, 2012, 12:11:05 AM
So what is the starting date of the new Survivor season?

September 19th, 90-minute premiere.
Dang it, I have a work commitment that evening. Guess I'll catch it on the CBS website one of the next couple of days
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 04, 2012, 08:20:55 AM
Not a word on the infamous Blair Warner?  SHAME ON YOU CYCLONE!

I did mean to mention her in my post for those interested, but I must admit that I had never heard of "The Facts of Life" sitcom before.

I wonder if they'll let her have a bottle of hot sauce?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on September 04, 2012, 02:30:07 PM
Malcolm says the player he will be the most like is Brian Heidik(!)

Go Malcolm.  Long live the Ice Man ...

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Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on September 19, 2012, 11:53:41 PM
Well, the editing had me fooled during the premiere.  Perhaps that could be a good omen for the season.  I was pretty confident that Swan was going home (I'm going to call him by his last name as to not confuse casual watchers of the "other" Russell).  Not that I thought Zane's strategy was potent, it was rather horrific, but I thought Swan blew it with his pseudo-leadership.  I didn't think it was as bad as the tribe was making it out to be when they first got to camp (that's the time when you want to utilize a returning player's experience), but his handling of the tribe at the challenge seemed as bad as it was made out to be.  In fact, Swan was probably saved by Zane's stupidity.  A helpful hint might be to never include telling your tribe to vote you out as a part of your strategy.

It was interesting that Penner's tribe seemed to have a unanimous attitude of getting rid of him.  I predicted that he would have the hardest time pulling a tribe together out of the three of them, but it marks the first time that a tribe would be bent on booting a returning player right off the bat.  Which would be my view as well.  Kind of hate to see it happen to Penner though, considering we've had casts that have made the likes of Coach look like strategic geniuses.  And that girl really recognized Jeff Kent because "her boyfriend was into baseball?"  Really?  I'm a huge baseball fan and I'm not even confident that I would immediately identify Kent's face if I passed him in a crowd.

The yellow alliance with Skupin seems ... annoying.  I appreciate the dark-haired girl playing and playing hard immediately, but she's obviously going to be really annoying.  The young alpha male type in that alliance seems so boring, like a random model they grabbed from LA (which is probably what happened).  I'll withhold judgement until a few episodes in though. 

Still really liking Malcolm, also now like Denise.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on September 21, 2012, 11:49:48 AM
I watched it on the CBS website last night. What was 90 min. on TV now becomes 70 min. with few commercials. 20 minutes of my life preserved for other useless things! Woohoo!

I enjoyed the opening episode more than I expected. I generally second your comments, Cyclone. Zane was an utter idiot, reason why Russell is still around.

I like having 3 tribes. I don't recall if it's been done before, but rather than going straight into a full one-tribe merger, I'd reshuffle things in about 3-4 weeks and make up 2 new tribes, let that cook for another 4-5 weeks and then go into the full one-tribe merger.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on September 22, 2012, 12:34:39 AM
You know, upon further evaluation, Zane might jump right atop the list of very worst Survivor contestants ever.

Here was Zane's game: The blue tribe immediately soured against Russell Swan as soon as they got to the beach and he took his leadership role.  Zane then made alliances with every single person on the tribe, including making a deal with Russell and Malcolm last where he revealed to them that he had already made an alliance with everyone.  At the challenge (where Swan further alienated himself against the tribe), Zane bombed and later told the tribe to vote him out due to his poor performance.  On top of that, he then told everyone that he thought that Swan had found the HII, meaning that Swan could then use the idol to take out anyone he wanted to if the rest of the votes were going toward him, or to take it a step further, if they would then decide to split the votes in fear of the idol, the other votes would obviously be for "vote me out" Zane.

That's about as disastrous as it gets, even for a first boot.  Especially considering that he hammed it up as being a genius, game-changing strategy in his confessions.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: trixi on September 22, 2012, 08:38:27 AM
They did do a 3 tribe set up for Survivor: All-Stars.  Looking forward to learning more about some of the other contestants plans.  Always takes me a few episodes to get a real handle on everyone.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on September 22, 2012, 02:50:17 PM
There have even been 4 tribes before.


I enjoyed the first ep.  I didn't buy into the Swan song... but it made me wonder.  I really wonder if Skupin's comment about yellow being the most balanced is foreshadowing?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on September 26, 2012, 11:49:50 PM
One word for Roxy: jealousy.

Really, making that big of a deal out of a little cuddling under the shelter on a cold night?  Kind of screams out jealousy rather than really being deathly afraid of a "power couple" on day 3 or whatever it was.  And for someone who claimed to have wanted to change how the zany fundamentalist Christians of old were portrayed on the show, that sure was some immature, judgmental showing from her.

Surely I wasn't the only one who wondered the following about Penner finding the HII: isn't the tribe going to notice that there is now a hole in the top of the rice bin rather than the old handle?  The only thing I can think of is that it was purposely designed by producers to create drama.  Then again, considering HIIs are usually in necklace form, is anyone going to realize that a little circular block was the HII?  At any rate it will obviously be suspicious that it's suddenly missing.  I don't know, the whole thing seems really weird to me.  I was glad Penner found it though.

My only complaint is that two episodes in, we still have people will 0 confessions.  You may not know this, but there is a person on the red tribe named Carter. 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on September 27, 2012, 09:16:05 AM
Well they had me fooled good last night. In particular at TC, with Probst pounding on Angie's utterly dumb response to his question "what's the one thing missing at camp for this tribe" (Angie: "cookies"), I thought for sure that Angie was a goner.

Cyclone, as to anyone noticing that the handle is gone from the rice bin, I doubt it. Yea, that's how low I rate the skills of that tribe (or the other tribes, for that matter). It really doesn't seem like people are in general on top of their game all that much. It's giving the veterans a huge advantage, to be honest.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on September 27, 2012, 03:35:26 PM
In particular at TC, with Probst pounding on Angie's utterly dumb response to his question "what's the one thing missing at camp for this tribe" (Angie: "cookies"), I thought for sure that Angie was a goner.

It was a dumb answer, but then again it was one of those bogus questions that Probst likes to ask just to try to stir the pot.  There really isn't a "right" answer to the question, either she calls someone out and risks pissing off the whole tribe and putting herself in danger with some kind of sincere answer, or she gives some cliche (or in this case childish), superficial response that gives Probst the opportunity to smack her around a little bit.  My reaction is more, why should Probst be so surprised at the answer, or at Angie's game in general?  They made the same mistake they've done a thousand times of casting some eye candy, 20-year old beauty pageant girl who has no business being out there, and then act surprised when they end up with that kind of end product.


Cyclone, as to anyone noticing that the handle is gone from the rice bin, I doubt it.

I re-watched the clip and there actually isn't a hole in the rice bin like I had thought, the idol was just attached to the top of it.  So that won't make it as obvious as I had thought.  I agree though, I don't put much faith in the new players.  On that tribe though, they (particularly Jeff Kent) were already skeptical of Penner, they knew he had been looking for the HII before and seem to want to get him out, not wanting a veteran to win.  Penner will probably have to use the HII to leverage himself (i.e. show it to people to gain trust) if that's the case.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on September 27, 2012, 04:29:22 PM
My reaction is more, why should Probst be so surprised at the answer, or at Angie's game in general?  They made the same mistake they've done a thousand times of casting some eye candy, 20-year old beauty pageant girl who has no business being out there, and then act surprised when they end up with that kind of end product.
oh c'mon! Would you rather not have any eye-candy out there? Plus I can just feel it, Angie is really playing a strategic game, yes she is  ;D
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on October 05, 2012, 11:29:49 AM
I saw Wednesday's episode last night on the cbss website. Same tribe losing again! Wow. So they had to chose voting out either Russell or Angie. That's like choosing between dumb and dumber. Angie had to go, and she finally did... How mich longer can this go on, though? Same tribe has lost all 3 immunity challenges. Can a reallignment into 2 tribes be far off?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on October 05, 2012, 02:54:08 PM
I'm thinking the final 2 members of Matsing (blue tribe) will be absorbed into the two other tribes.  It wouldn't make sense to do it with an odd number like 3 that there are currently.  And I think that they will win the next challenge based on the preview, which I know is typically meant to deceive, but I'm still thinking they'll pull it off.

It's a shame that Malcolm and Denise had to be on such a crap tribe, they are both obviously strong players and both were preseason favorites of mine.  And it's weird, because on paper it's not like they're of the dysfunctional kind of variety that usually dooms tribes that can't get out of a losing funk.  I guess you could say that they had the trust issues with Russell from the beginning, but then again Penner's tribe gathered behind his back to proclaim that they wouldn't let a returning player beat them right away.  They were at a disadvantage from the start with Zane, who couldn't even run in the first challenge, while there isn't a single weak male on any other tribe.  And both Angie and Roxy were miserable in challenges as well.  So when you go with small tribes of 6 and you're at a physical disadvantage from the beginning, momentum is going to start to set in when he losses pile up.

They were my favorite tribe going in but the losing has kind of sucked the life out of things to start.  There are some interesting things going on at the other tribes, the Penner/Jeff Kent thing, the chaos of all of the multiple alliances at the yellow tribe, etc.  But we've yet to see anything culminate by one of them having to go to TC.  Oh, and I know that editing has to be a challenge with the three tribes and three returnees, but name a player on the red tribe besides Penner and Jeff Kent.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on October 05, 2012, 08:23:10 PM
yes, the blue tribe has sucked. glad angie's gone. she only brought two things to the game.

i have little idea what's going on in the other tribes, since the blue has hogged all the air by being so sucky.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on October 10, 2012, 09:27:36 PM
Russell actually acted surprised when he was voted out tonight?  Really?  Maybe I've been giving this guy too much credit but not being as hopeless as he has appeared if he actually bought into the line(s) that Malcolm and Denise were coming to him wanting to vote out the other person.  I mean, that was one of the most obvious boots in Survivor history.

Like I said last week, this is just proof that the 3 tribes idea will really suck if, well, one of the tribes is bad.  Momentum is always a big factor in every season when it comes to winning/losing streaks, and this tribe was obviously not put together as well as the other two.  I mean, instead of getting a third guy like Pete or Artis, they got Zane, and their two younger girls were practically volunteering to not compete in challenges.  So for a tribe like that to all of a sudden lose a few challenges, it's really no surprise.  I mean, there was Ulong, the tribe who infamously lost every single challenge, but in this case Matsing just had to not come in last and couldn't even do that.

Russell's extremely awkward argument with Probst in front of everyone post-challenge was one of the oddest Survivor moments I can ever remember.

Also, Pete being a Hantz wannabe is pretty annoying.  Especially since he appears to be playing just as bad of a social game.

Abi-Maria ... of all of the stereotypes that are always in a Survivor cast, is it now objectively true that they can never not cast a hot-headed young female who is completely irrational, brash and pointless?

Nowhere to go but up from here.  3/4 of the cast haven't even been to Tribal Council four weeks in.  Surely Malcolm and Denise will each be absorbed into one of the other tribes next week, right?  I can't imagine they would risk sending other people to Matsing and possibly continuing that whole losing streak storyline.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: c-lando on October 11, 2012, 08:18:56 AM
I can't imagine they would risk sending other people to Matsing and possibly continuing that whole losing streak storyline.
Now that would be a Survivor game-changer. But, not one that I'd want to see.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on October 13, 2012, 11:48:35 PM
Nowhere to go but up from here.  3/4 of the cast haven't even been to Tribal Council four weeks in.  Surely Malcolm and Denise will each be absorbed into one of the other tribes next week, right?  I can't imagine they would risk sending other people to Matsing and possibly continuing that whole losing streak storyline.
Caught the episode finally tonight, and I have to say, that was quite the entertaining Immunity Challenge, even if Masting lost AGAIN. I'm sure the producers were screaming "Noooooooo" as it was a forgone conclusion that Russell would be voted out.

I'm sure it will never happen, but I would love to see this circus of the absurd play out to the end: the 3 tribes stay, and in the next IC, with each of the tribes only entering only 2 players, Matsing loses again, and then we'd have a TC with the 2 remaining Matsing members voting each other out. Ha!

The preview of next Wednesday's episode suggests that Jeff Kent, the former SF Giants baseball all-star, is finally succumbing to his knee injury (which he incurred in the very first episode). I'll keep watching this theatre of the absurd.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on October 17, 2012, 11:16:22 PM
Eventful episode tonight.

I'm going to go ahead and predict that Tandang (yellow tribe) will not lose a challenge.  I called it when tonight's challenge started.  They were already the best performing tribe, and now they add Malcolm.  Plus the momentum of the other tribe suddenly being down by 2 in numbers in the matter of hours.  Not that the red tribe got a slouch in Denise, but I really don't see them winning many challenges going forward, if any.  Pretty awful gameplay by Pete to immediately tell Malcolm about what the alliances are and to expose that his has the idol. 

Kind of feel for Penner, to have gotten his tribe to that point and to all of a sudden lose the numbers in that fashion.  The Dana sequence was weird.  I can't recall another time where medical came in and actually cleared someone to continue like that and then they chose to quit.  I feel like Dawson's boot will be one of the most forgotten horrible game moves of all-time.  What essentially happened was that both Katie and Dawson sucked at the challenge, thus putting the two of them on the chopping block.  And then Dawson, for no real reason, decided to toy with Jeff Kent with the whole "maybe I should date an athlete ..." spiel, so Kent then sways them to vote her out over Katie.  At any rate, glad Denise didn't just get picked off right away.

Two tribes, three HIIs.

Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on October 22, 2012, 12:42:54 PM
I cannot stand psycho woman on Tandang (name escaping me) so each time Jeff Probst picked on her last week, I was loving it. To be honest, looking at Malcolm in the first few eps, I wouldn't have pegged him as being a big contender in the game but he has surprised me and probably because we have seen so much of him and Denise, both of those players are my current favorites.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on October 22, 2012, 11:10:30 PM
Eventful episode tonight.

I'm going to go ahead and predict that Tandang (yellow tribe) will not lose a challenge.  I called it when tonight's challenge started.  They were already the best performing tribe, and now they add Malcolm.  Plus the momentum of the other tribe suddenly being down by 2 in numbers in the matter of hours.  Not that the red tribe got a slouch in Denise, but I really don't see them winning many challenges going forward, if any.  Pretty awful gameplay by Pete to immediately tell Malcolm about what the alliances are and to expose that his has the idol. 

Kind of feel for Penner, to have gotten his tribe to that point and to all of a sudden lose the numbers in that fashion.  The Dana sequence was weird.  I can't recall another time where medical came in and actually cleared someone to continue like that and then they chose to quit.  I feel like Dawson's boot will be one of the most forgotten horrible game moves of all-time.  What essentially happened was that both Katie and Dawson sucked at the challenge, thus putting the two of them on the chopping block.  And then Dawson, for no real reason, decided to toy with Jeff Kent with the whole "maybe I should date an athlete ..." spiel, so Kent then sways them to vote her out over Katie.  At any rate, glad Denise didn't just get picked off right away.

Two tribes, three HIIs.


Finally caught up tonight (I was OOT most of last week). Agree on all comments. And what was it with Dawson's weird embrace/kiss of Probst at the end? Just awkward.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on October 23, 2012, 01:43:49 PM
And what was it with Dawson's weird embrace/kiss of Probst at the end? Just awkward.

I am not sure the hug was weird: it was the staring she did before that happened...that was definitely awkward. That, and what she said about Kent at the end...girl needs to get a life.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on October 23, 2012, 03:02:15 PM
I am not sure the hug was weird: it was the staring she did before that happened...that was definitely awkward. That, and what she said about Kent at the end...girl needs to get a life.

Apparently Dawson said in her interviews that she actually did confront Kent about knowing his identity.  Not sure how that never made the air considering it was such a big storyline.  But she must have been pretty bad about playing the blackmail angle - I would think that that could be pretty powerful weapon to use, knowing that someone has actually made millions of dollars being an ex-pro athlete and no one else has any idea. 

Oh, and the awkward moment with the stare/kiss between Dawson and Probst was because Probst has been her crush since she was a little kid and started watching Survivor, according to the interviews.

One more tidbit from said interview (who knew that so much info would come out from such an invisible player?) that I found interesting was that she said she actually went through Penner's bag to find that he had the idol and then told the rest of the tribe.  However all we saw was that Penner told Kent that he had it.  Obviously the tribe assumed he had it, but I'm not sure why that wouldn't make the show.  I guess it was to make it more mysterious.  It's kind of crazy though, I remember back when there were a couple of unlikeable players who went through Yau-Man's bag in the Fiji season to find his HII, and they were ostracized and attacked by Probst for it because it was apparently breaking some kind of unwritten, respectful Survivor rule.  But I guess that's kind of the norm now.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: trixi on October 23, 2012, 06:25:30 PM
Dawson also made the comments to the camera when Jeff came in to check up on Dana when she was sick.  She was definitely taking a crush to a new level for Survivor
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on October 23, 2012, 10:06:46 PM
She was definitely taking a crush to a new level for Survivor

Julie Berry disagrees with you.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on October 25, 2012, 12:43:35 AM
Never fully bought into the Penner blindside idea, though I did get really anxious at tribal. What I do think is that Kent wanted to flush out Penner's HII, especially with the "someone's gonna get blindsided" spiel.  Being down to 4 now, Penner and his idol actually become a pretty big asset at a merge considering they're so far down in numbers.  So that wouldn't have been a smart idea.  Plus who was supposed to catch the fish with him gone?  Katie and Carter?

I feel like I should say something about the whole reward challenge fiasco but I can't think of anything interesting except that I can't believe Probst didn't veto the idea.  Imagine tribes trying to pull something like that in an early season.  There was probably even a rule in place against it.  They probably just realized how badly designed the challenge was tonight and didn't want to be out there any longer.  Really gutsy move by Penner though.  Extremely high risk/high reward ... he's savvy enough to realize that the merge is looming and that they weren't going to beat Tandang as is, so maybe get some meals in his tribe in hopes that they can at least win one more challenge and not be completely decimated in numbers at the merge.  Didn't work out but I like it in retrospect.

Looks like the merge is next week.  I can't imagine the teaser they showed being anything but that.  I'm holding out faith that we at least won't just see a tedious Pagonging.  Tandang is basically split in half with Malcolm being the swing vote. Could be a lot of flipping with a Malcolm/Denise reunion, 3 HIIs in play, RC and Skupin going against the douche alliance, etc.   Should be pretty interesting.


Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on October 25, 2012, 10:27:36 AM
Last evening's episode was the most interesting of this season, which of course isn't saying much. But I agree with you, Cyclone, that there are some intruiging story lines developing.

The Reward Challenge was about as bad planning as I've ever seen from the Survivor producers, EVER. I seem to recall that the producers try out every challenge beforehand to make sure it works. How come they didn't realize then that this was a complete disaster and no team would ever score on this?

Carter was absolutely pathetic in the Immunity Challenge. I am a bit surprised that Kent is alligning with Carter, as I haven't seen anything to make me think that Carter has strong strategic insights to get deep into the game.

Merge already next week? That sounds a bit early, don't you think? There are still 12 players, no?

Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on October 25, 2012, 02:13:43 PM
Carter was absolutely pathetic in the Immunity Challenge. I am a bit surprised that Kent is alligning with Carter, as I haven't seen anything to make me think that Carter has strong strategic insights to get deep into the game.

He didn't have much of a choice given the tribe he was on.  He was already in an alliance with Penner so they figured they'd bring the third male into the alliance rather than get one of the young girls.  Denise probably would have been a good fit but she hadn't been absorbed yet.  Carter seems like pretty wasteful casting though, I can't see what this guy would have shown in the casting process to say that he wouldn't be a complete dud.  He's got quintessential early merge boot written all over him.

Merge already next week? That sounds a bit early, don't you think? There are still 12 players, no?

They have done a merge at 12 the past few seasons.  Granted, the jury doesn't always begin right after the merge so there might be a few boots before the jury starts.  If you saw the preview for next week where Tandang (yellow) was scrambling to grab all of their things and start moving, I can't think of it being anything besides a merge, though all they said is that it would be a "twist."  Perhaps they could integrate the "one world" thing of last season where they actually live on the same beach for an episode or two before the actual merge.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on October 31, 2012, 10:04:05 PM
What an absolutely horrific move by Jeff Kent.  He had an objective opportunity to join a dominant 6-person alliance after his tribe came into the merge down in numbers 7-4.  But he chooses to still go with his fixation of having to outlast his alliance member Penner because he's a returning player?  I mean, if he's still so hellbent on trying to outlast Penner for whatever reason, why didn't he just do it last week and keep Katie (a useless pawn)?  Real, real bad strategy.  Opportunities like that are a dime a dozen when you come into the merge on a tribe down in numbers.  And instead he just joins Tandang to become the bottom of the totem pole. Absurd.

Nice to see Penner use a HII effectively considering how obsolete they had been the past few seasons.  And I liked how the editing made it seem like that wouldn't be the case ... I wonder how he was tipped off exactly.  Obviously when he walked up to Kent and Carter and they couldn't look him in the eye, that might have been a clue.  Based on the preview Penner goes all Troyzan/Terry Deitz next episode and makes it himself vs. an entire tribe. 

I really hope that Malcolm and co. can flip the switch on that dreadful Pete/Artis/Abi alliance.  They're probably playing it conservative to start but I don't see them being all in with that crew.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on November 02, 2012, 08:51:59 AM
Agreed. RC is not a threat and obviously not well liked by many in her tribe (pre-merge) so no worries about the jury there. Also hoping that after the little conversation between RC and Abi, people will see how psycho Abi is and she gets gone sooner rather than later. Pete's face was HILARIOUS when he thought he was out. Not my favorite either. I get that that is probably the best way to be on the game but still...kind of like the jerk on Amazing Race (oh pick one ugly American this season because there are a few, um, the one with his wife who can't stand the twins ;)). Still prefer the nice guy/gal winning if they play a good game.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on November 02, 2012, 01:12:55 PM
Agreed. RC is not a threat and obviously not well liked by many in her tribe (pre-merge) so no worries about the jury there.

Yeah, there are definitely some tribe dynamics going on that are not being shown by editing.  I don't know why they wouldn't have just taken out Skupin in that situation rather than RC if the douche alliance really hate him as much as it seems.  I also wonder what tipped Penner off into playing the HII.  Editing made it seem like he was pretty confident in the plan that Kalabaw would join the two Tandang outsiders to vote out Pete.  I noticed that Penner didn't say much at tribal so I'm thinking maybe things were said there that were left out of the show to make it more of a surprise (which is what they should have done, I was surprised at the result personally).

Also, Skupin was one of the votes for Penner, which I think is pretty weird.  So either he was just bluffing about the whole plan to take out the douche alliance ("Pete has only said 5 words to me this whole time") or he froze up at the end and thought he should stick with his original tribe.

One thing that I really like about this season going forward is that the boot order up to this point has trimmed off the weak players pretty perfectly.  So we're not stuck with a bunch of floaters after the merge because they happened to be on tribes who didn't lose much.  Not that I'm exactly praising the games of Carter, Artis and Abi for example, but take a look at the boots up to this point.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on November 02, 2012, 07:39:55 PM
Finally caught up with Wednesday's episode.

Color me confused on Jeff Kent's move. Why in the world did he (and Carter) vote R.C? I thought he'd vote either Penner or someone of the other tribe. But this? Makes no sense at all!!!! And whoever voted Pete, are completely out of the loop obviously.

I agree with Cyclone, I really don't get Kent's hang-up with getting Teller out ASAP simply becaus ehe's a veteran. But he doesn't have the same hang-up with Skupin?!?

Anyway, I'm liking how the season is unfolding. A very open playing field now. Of all the players, Denise has impressed me the most so far.

Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on November 03, 2012, 12:00:02 AM
Why in the world did he (and Carter) vote R.C? I thought he'd vote either Penner or someone of the other tribe. But this? Makes no sense at all!!!!

Kent and Carter voting for RC was a part of the plan to get rid of Penner, they (as in them and the Tandang members) had split the votes between Penner and RC because they knew that Penner could play the HII.  RC was the other target because she was disliked by the core Tandang alliance.  Not sure what you mean by saying you thought he'd either vote for Penner or someone on the other tribe because RC was on the other tribe.  Penner will know that they went against him in voting RC though, because the plan was to get rid of Pete.  It was a horrific move by Kent and the rest of Kalabaw.

And whoever voted Pete, are completely out of the loop obviously.

Voting out Pete was the plan for Kalabaw to bring in the Tandang outcasts (Skupin and RC) and break up that alliance.  This was shown in the episode, like when Skupin discussed the idea and with Penner and told him that he didn't want to continue playing with the Artis/Pete/Abi alliance and that Pete had only said a few words to him the whole time they had been there.

Teller

Great typo.

As far as the Kent thing goes, he has some kind of weird alpha male thing going with Penner. As to why he wanted Penner out instead of Skupin, it's because Penner was on his tribe and he created a rivalry in his head from day one.  At first I didn't blame him, he didn't want a returning player to win.  Given that I don't want returning players on the show anymore, this would be my thought process if I was on the show as well.  But as time went on and they showed to be a strong tribe with Penner as a capable alliance member, those thoughts should have went away.  But instead Kent is just obsessed with the idea of outlasting him, even if that means sacrificing him going further in the game (hence the decision last episode). It's not like Penner is a returning player in the mold of a Boston Rob or Ozzy who are super likable and challenge threats so you have to worry about getting them out early.  It's strange.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on November 04, 2012, 10:15:23 PM
It's not even unusual for someone to get one specific goal stuck in their head.  Kent is willing to sacrifice the war to win the battle.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on November 05, 2012, 08:00:45 AM
Of all the players, Denise has impressed me the most so far.

Me too. Probably because we saw so much of them in the beginning of the season, she and Malcolm are my top picks to win (in terms of who I want to win).
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on November 07, 2012, 10:47:49 PM
Amazing episode tonight. Definitely the best in years.  Getting an episode like that seems like, if even just for 60 minutes, total validation for sitting through seasons of total crap as of late. 

Firstly, Penner winning the improbable immunity. And in the fashion he did so, being the third and final one to make it to the final round and then making the comeback to win the puzzle after the other two jumped out to the huge leads. One of those moments where you couldn't script the show any better. Great, great moment. One I'll remember for a while.

The frantic scramble that happened after the Penner win where literally anyone else was vulnerable. Within minutes the game turned from a surefire vote for Penner to a surefire vote for Skupin to Kent and then to Pete. Oh and there was a plan in there to blindside Malcolm too.  Lisa, while I respect her ability to play so aggressively, is doing so in a way that needs to be a lot more UTR. She's put a completely unnecessary target on her back now and is thinking endgame way too early as far as wanting to stay with the Pete/Abi/Artist alliance.  There are still three of them and one of her, and Skupin only makes two.

It was hilarious how Pete perceives himself as a "mastermind" yet actually believed Malcolm when he confronted him about the HII.  I also loved Malcolm's strategy at tribal ... waving around his HII and saying he's going to play it, only to not do so.  Brilliant. 

Lastly, let's revisit Kent's gameplay.  At the merge, he chose to flip and sacrifice himself going farther in the game just to outlast Penner.  Last week, his backstab of Penner fails after he played a HII.  This week, Penner wins immunity, and Kent is sent home.  Cripes.  While I would have rather have seen Pent sent home, Kent's little Republican rant in his exit video made it seem quite sweet that he got the blindside.  For those that missed it, he boasted about all the money he made playing baseball and then said that he wants to win the million dollars but that it would have only been $600,000 after "Obama takes half of it."  How utterly perfect is it that this season was filmed about 6 months ago and that Kent's boot episode would air the night after Obam's reelection.  Classic.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on November 08, 2012, 08:49:38 PM
Cyclone, I second all of your comments, and then double-Bam! them for good measure. Literally laughed out loud with the mad scrambling going on after Penner wins the immunity challenge.

I have to say that, while initially I took a liking to Jeff Kent, as I remember him from his playing days for the Giants, I became more and more disappointed with him as the episodes unfolded and his obessesion with getting Penner booted bordering on the unreal. You didn't mention that after Penner won the immunity, Kent made a snide and dismissive comment about Penner winning that was really not called for. On top of that, Kent's strategizing had become way to cleaver for him in the last 2-3 episodes. And you also didn't mention that in his exit comments, Kent couldn't help but remark that he had made $60 million during his playing days (implying that he didn't care about winning or not winning the $1 million).

All that aside, indeed one of the most memorable episodes that I can remember in a looooooooong time.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on November 10, 2012, 12:04:59 AM
Great episode.

I was pro-Kent after the first couple of episodes, but he wore thin really quickly.  Lisa is playing this game like she deserves a quick boot.  I wanted to root for her, just can't.  I can't believe Penner voted Abi... that is baffling and there must have been an edited reason?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on November 10, 2012, 10:03:24 AM
I can't believe Penner voted Abi... that is baffling and there must have been an edited reason?

Yeah, on paper I can only think of two possible reasons, and I'm not sure either are true ...

A. He was getting revenge on Kent after he had backstabbed him last week and knew he couldn't work with in the future, or

B. It was protection in case Abi gave Pete the HII and he played it.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on November 12, 2012, 03:56:25 PM
I can't believe Penner voted Abi... that is baffling and there must have been an edited reason?

Yeah, on paper I can only think of two possible reasons, and I'm not sure either are true ...

A. He was getting revenge on Kent after he had backstabbed him last week and knew he couldn't work with in the future, or

B. It was protection in case Abi gave Pete the HII and he played it.

Based on the smirk he gave, I am almost thinking it was A.

I agree about Kent. While I was cheering for him to beat out Penner in the challenge, he wasn't my favorite. And his remarks at the exit interview were really childish.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on November 12, 2012, 05:09:39 PM
I was cheering for him to beat out Penner in the challenge

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Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on November 14, 2012, 02:05:26 PM
No one here will probably care, but for the super nerdy hardcore Survivor fan like myself, here (http://robhasawebsite.com/jeff-probst-interview-survivor-philippines.html) is a really insightful, no BS podcast interview with Jeff Probst (done by former-Survivor Rob Cesternino).  No typical media shilling, so topics addressed are the likes of ...

- Responding to the criticism that Probst prefers male players to women
- Responding to the acquisitions that he or the producers influence the show and/or the outcomes
- Almost outing Jeff Kent on the current season when he accidentally shouted out his full name during a challenge
- The future of the show and it's lifespan
- The future of returning players
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on November 14, 2012, 04:36:19 PM
Thanks for posting, I will check it out when I find some time after work.

And I think you meant "accusations" instead of "acquistions". Unless you really think that Probst likes to acquire the men more than the women  :P

PS puts us even for my "Teller" typo  ;D
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on November 14, 2012, 09:39:23 PM
Now this season has gone from just redeeming the last several to becoming a genuinely great season.  I'm loving it.

What a true blindside that was.  I came into the episode thinking Penner would be going and that the narrative of Skupin and Lisa flipping on the douche alliance seemed too good to be true, because I figured they would wait as long as possible to flip (I expected it to happen at final 7).  And then with all the airtime Penner was getting early, I thought that confirmed that, but then I got suspicious after Artis got the confessional after the challenge saying Penner was going home.  But then when the editing switched and tried to portray that they would flip, I thought that it was just a ploy.  So even once the votes were tied, I was still fully expecting it to be Penner.  So when Artis went home, I was truly blindsided.  I also liked the order that they read the votes.

And how about Penner breaking the fourth wall when he was trying to persuade Lisa and he started talking about how the "story" of the season would be told regarding the good guys and bad guys?

And then, to top it all off, I couldn't believe that Skupin and Lisa actually didn't vote as a block and that Lisa actually stayed loyal to Tandang for whatever reason while Skupin was the flipper. I would have never guessed that that would be how it went ... what took Skupin so long, exactly?  My only complaint was that I found the format of the episode a little annoying with all of the focus on Lisa when I was interested in a lot more of the fallout from last tribal, like what happened between Malcolm and Pete, etc.  Still, another great episode.

Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on November 14, 2012, 11:06:32 PM
I was REALLY surprised that, even with the swipe that Abi took at Lisa at Tribal Council, Lisa STILL voted with her tribe and voted against Penner. WHY? When is she going to wake up to the real world? LOVED the comment from Probst to Abi (about her look to Lisa) that "the venom seem to about to explode from your face" (I'm paraphrasing). And still after that, Lisa voted with her alliance, wow. How stupid can you be?

Cyclone, just before tonite's episode, I listened to the podcast you posted, and really enjoyed it, and it was so funny how Probst was talking in that interview about "the narrative" of Survivor, and then seeing Penner doing the EXACT same thing in tonight's episode to Lisa, talking about "the narrative".
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: trixi on November 16, 2012, 07:00:05 PM
I loved Kent's face at the end.  You could just see the animosity toward Penner on it after Penner escaped being voted out.  And I agree with you, Euro, about Lisa.  Can't figure out why she would still vote with her tribe and not vote along with Skupin, since they've had their alliance since the beginning.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on November 20, 2012, 09:32:55 PM
Lisa's vote made as much sense to me as Sean's ABCDEFG vote from Season 1.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on November 20, 2012, 10:53:29 PM
Just checked and it seems tomorrow (Wed) is another new episode. I thought this might be one of those "rehash"/deleted scenes episodes, it being the night before Thanksgiving. But no.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on November 20, 2012, 11:31:38 PM
Lisa's vote made as much sense to me as Sean's ABCDEFG vote from Season 1.

When I rewatched Borneo a few years ago for the first time since it originally aired, Sean's alphabet voting strategy was the second most bizarre thing, second only to Greg Buis.  No specific incident, just Greg Buis in general.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on November 21, 2012, 11:32:29 PM
pretty uneventful episode tonight, the outcome was clear as soon as Pete didn't win the immunity challenge. But TC was somewhat entertaining, focusing on Abi.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on November 22, 2012, 04:55:47 PM
I found the Tribal grating, with Probst trying to get people to actually feel sympathy for Abi.  It's hilarious what they will sacrifice just to try to make compelling/entertaining TV.  As if if this wasn't a television show, Probst wouldn't just be saying the exact same thing Denise said.  It isn't "cultural" -  being a bitch is being a bitch.  Really, Jeff?  You think if this was an island of Brazilians, Abi would be different?  Pathetic.

The downfall of Pete was pretty funny.  I can't recall many alpha male-type players having that type of false and inflated sense of themselves for no real reason at all.  He didn't perform well in challenges.  He was in an alliance that was briefly the majority with the writing on the wall since the beginning that it would crumble (thanks to himself and his allies).  I just wish he bad been blindsided earlier.

I was disappointed that Penner declined/delayed the F3 offer from Lisa and Skupin, although there is obviously a lot more to that than the minute or so we saw on the episode.  And the preview for next week kind of teases that, when Penner seems to be calling Lisa out on playing up the "innocent" card when she's obviously a strategist in the game.  And I think that Penner probably knows where the real alliances stand and he knows that he's the 5th wheel, and he's not going to play cute about it.

Malcolm deciding to not play his HII twice now in crucial situations when he was in danger has been some pretty underrated gameplay.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on November 24, 2012, 02:46:52 PM
Malcolm deciding to not play his HII twice now in crucial situations when he was in danger has been some pretty underrated gameplay.

This.  Spot on.


If I were Malcolm, and he's my favorite at this point in the game, I would get Penner gone quickly.  I like Penner, for the most part.  I just think that if Malcolm seriously wants to win, he needs him gone ASAP.

If I were him, my boot list would be:

Penner
Lisa
Skupin
Carter

Take Denise (LOOK!  I'M LOYAL TO MY ALLIANCE, BUT THIS HO HAS BEEN RIDING MY COATTAILS!) and Abi (SHE IS EVIL, HATE HER, SHE'S STUPID, GIVE HER NO VOTES!) and see how it plays out.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on November 25, 2012, 02:58:28 PM
I think taking Denise would be too much of a gamble ... kind of like a Colby-Tina situation, I could see it backfiring on him.  Denise has been almost perfect from a social game POV ... she's been seen as a hard worker, performed well in challenges (both tremendous assets for a female player), and I'm pretty sure she's perhaps the most well liked person out there.  Malcolm, meanwhile, could have theoretically lost jury votes from the Pete/Abi/Artis alliance for turning on them (if that even counts as a "turn" ... I don't think Malcolm was ever serious about that alliance).  At the same time though, I don't see Malcolm or Denise turning on each other this deep into the game, so we'll see.

I agree that Penner should be Malcolm's biggest target, but I don't think it's necessary that he gets him out ASAP, as he's not a challenge threat like Carter or Skupin, and Penner is clearly the 5th wheel of that F4 alliance of Malcolm/Denise/Skupin/Lisa.  If that F4 actually plays out the finale should be pretty exciting to see who is 4th out, and to see how Malcolm utilizes the HII, if at all.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on November 26, 2012, 11:14:23 PM
If Denise isn't taken out before the F3, my money is on her, more so than Malcolm.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on November 28, 2012, 09:47:26 PM
That was the most obvious immunity win ever.  I knew from the first five minutes of the episode when Denise said "I highly, highly doubt she will win immunity ..." that Abi would win immunity.  And then after getting the advantage at the challenge and the bench going "she won't be able to climb" ... it was the most obvious Survivor "trick editing" of all time. 

It was one of those moments where, while I typically defend the authenticity of the show 99% of the time, I couldn't help but think of producer interference with the whole Abi thing.  For starters, the arc of this whole storyline just seemed a bit unauthentic to me.  Abi, who had been completely clueless strategically to this point, decides to get the idea to play off like she has a fake HII?  And then with the challenge advantage, someone can factcheck me on this, but I'm almost positive that the advantage has never been that great to the point where it's practically an instant victory.  For example, Troyzan did the same thing last season.  But it is typically that they just get to move on to say, the second round of a 3-part challenge.  But getting to move to the final round to be one of three people, and on top of that they throw in the stipulation that the people who competed had to carry the bodyweight, when they knew that someone was going to buy the auction advantage?  That's just overdoing it a bit much for my liking.

Hated to see Penner go, but I think this was a respectable finish for him considering he was targeted by his own tribe from the beginning.  He made the post-merge very entertaining. Yes, his mistake was not committing to the F3 deal, but I think that Skupin and Lisa actually made the wrong decision to get rid of him tonight.

I'm really over the Lisa storyline at this point.  It's a shame the editing has beat us over the head with the Skupin/Lisa alliance when Malcolm/Denise are clearly better and more interesting.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on November 28, 2012, 10:56:16 PM
while it was a bit obvious, and I have no lost love for Abi, I just screamed in delight in seeing her winning the Immunity Challenge, just to see how things would shake up with the remaining 6. And give her credit, she DID snap up the "advantage" item before anyone else could speak out, spending all of her $500 (when she initially said she'd just keep the $500).

I hated to see Penner go, as I think he is a good player, but he made a critical mistake last week in not commiting to an alliance when he should've, but he played his heart out to the very last minute, and then made a graceful exit. I am REALLY getting tired of Lisa's act, continually saying "the game is bigger than me". Ok then...

But bottom line, I really enjoyed tonight's episode.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on November 29, 2012, 04:30:51 PM
I just screamed in delight in seeing her winning the Immunity Challenge, just to see how things would shake up with the remaining 6.

Eh. You would have gotten to see the same thing happen with the final 6 next episode with Abi gone, but now we get to enjoy another episode where she will undoubtedly eat up a ton of airtime so they can milk her character for all it's worth and it just extends her obvious boot to another episode when it would have been much more interesting to see how it played out with her already gone.

And give her credit, she DID snap up the "advantage" item before anyone else could speak out, spending all of her $500 (when she initially said she'd just keep the $500).

I more blame the other players for not realizing it was coming than I give Abi credit for capitalizing on it.  And again, part of that whole "unnatural" thing involved that whole sequence as well.  Someone who showed 0 knowledge of the game is all of a sudden making plans to create a fake HII, has the foresight to save all her money to spend on a challenge advantage, there was even that random confessional about "using Jeff as a tool" at the challenge, etc.  I'm not just saying that because I'm bitter and don't like the girl, I'm just saying that I've seen a whole lot of Survivor and my gut reaction is that it didn't quite seem too "natural" to me.  I don't think there was drastic rigging involved or anything, but the way it played out, I wouldn't put it past a producer to plant seeds in her head like "you know there will be a challenge advantage in the auction, right?" ... or, for example, making the advantage at the challenge so drastic.  The part about the other players carrying weight while going through the challenge was what tipped me off to thinking that way, I thought they'd at least be on a level playing field at the final part.  They might as well have made the final part of that a Portuguese speaking challenge.  But whatever, I realize this is all going to sound like bitter, sour grapes - I was just explaining why I had the initial reaction that I did.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on December 01, 2012, 02:08:03 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't put it past them to plant seeds via confessionals.

"So, what if there is an immunity offer at the auction?  How would handle a twist like that?"

"Have you gone looking for more immunity idols?"

"What if they think the note is about an idol?"
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on December 09, 2012, 12:12:11 AM
finally caught up with Wednesday's episode... Meh... it was pretty predictable... Even though Abi is so out of tune, I've started to pull for her, imagine that!
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 12, 2012, 09:53:12 PM
So it looks like this season might end with a F2 - which would be the first since Tocantins (eight seasons ago).  Surely Sunday won't be a 2-hour premiere with 4 people remaining if it a usual F3, right?

Out of this F4, if one of Malcolm or Denise doesn't win, it will be a pretty disappointing finish to what I think was a pretty stellar season.  I haven't been as thrilled of late because they gave Abi so much confessional time to try to milk her pathetic character for all that it's worth, which is textbook Survivor editing in 2012, but regardless the season has been the best in a while.  But back on topic: I think that Malcolm will be in trouble if he doesn't win immunity.  If that were to happen and we wound up with a hypothetical Skupin/Lisa F2, that would suck.  Skupin was useless, Lisa was unbearable for me with the constant woe is me, "I woke up today and realized that I'm going to play Survivor!" yet never actually making any moves shtick.  If it's a F3 and it's Denise/Skupin/Lisa, I think Denise wins.  If Malcolm makes it to the end regardless of it's F2 or F3, I think he nearly sweeps.  If we end up with a Skupin/Lisa F2, I could care less and I really hope that doesn't happen.  Denise's edit of late makes me question if she can actually pull off the victory.

My quick take on where I feel the jury members stand ...

RC - Skupin's only fan on the jury, bitter at rest of her tribe (Lisa), left too early to have strong opinion on others
Kent - Anti-returning player mentality based on relationship with Penner, likely a lock for Malcolm/Denise
Artis - Strongly dislikes Skupin, none of his alliance left, a lock to vote for Malcolm/Denise if they're there
Pete - Strongly dislikes Skupin, bitter at Malcolm, probably not favorable for any of the F4
Penner - Wildcard vote, probably respects everyone's game besides Lisa, probably a Malcolm/Denise lock vote
Carter - Unknown due to invisibility on show, Denise was his tribemate for a short time, probably a Malcolm/Denise lock vote
Abi - Lock vote for Malcolm, wildcard on anyone else, all of whom she irrationally dislikes

So essentially I see Malcolm completely cleaning house if he reaches the finals, Denise winning if she makes it without Malcolm, and if God forbid it came down to a Skupin/Lisa F2, it will be a gigantic jury bitter-fest for two undeserving players.  I fear that Lisa would take it in that case.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on December 12, 2012, 10:54:52 PM
as ususal, I agree with your comments Cyclone.

I was surprised that there was no serious attempt by anyone (hello Lisa and Skupin) to keep Abi on, and instead vote out Denise in a blindside (Malcolm of course had won immunity), as either Denise or Malcolm surely will win. Lisa disappoints once again.

Besides that, it was a pretty lame episode again I thought, the second in a row, in what otherwise has been a very entertaining season.

If it comes down to Denise or Malcolm, I'm guessing Denise will win.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 13, 2012, 12:35:19 AM
If it comes down to Denise or Malcolm, I'm guessing Denise will win.

Really?  Denise is definitely Malcolm's biggest threat, but if it came down to the two of them I still think Malcolm definitely wins.  It's not that I think they played drastically different games, I just think that Malcolm's charming social game (I mean, he was even able to tolerate and be respectful to Abi) will put him over the top.  And something about Denise's edit rubs me the wrong way.  Not in a literal sense, I like Denise personally, but I don't feel like she has gotten the edit of a winner as of late, or post-merge at all really.  It's not that I think she has been portrayed negatively, she just hasn't gotten nearly as much airtime or confessionals as the other three.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on December 14, 2012, 08:35:03 AM
lisa made a brilliant move with "showing her tandang colors". talk about jury pandering. all of the tandang members were nodding their heads. how many tandang are on the jury?

lisa is the biggest blow-hard in the game. all she does it talk about making moves, yet never makes any. and when she tried, she admitted it in tribal and didn't get voted out! i'm tired of her, but she could be the lame dark horse winner. and she's been getting a bunch of press lately. perhaps she won?

scupin has been invisible. i don't think he can win.

malcom or denise are your deserving winners.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 14, 2012, 01:18:21 PM
lisa made a brilliant move with "showing her tandang colors". talk about jury pandering.

It was a smart move, but Denise should have worded her point better.  She is 100% right about "luck" factoring into how far people go in the game (in her example, Abi).  It is at least 50% of a player's fate, if not more.  How many players have there been who did literally nothing strategically, or even socially, but went deep in the game simply because of the way the tribes were aligned, one was physically better for challenges?  Take Tandang this season.  That was not a tight, compact tribe - if it wasn't for Matsing being a total disaster they were the most dysfunctional of the three tribes: all kinds of inner-alliances, the RC-Abi drama, the alliance of Pete/Artis/Abi being against Skupin/Lisa, etc.  But they happened to have three strong guys and a really solid girl (RC) who did extremely well in challenges and so people who did nothing like Artis and Abi made a deep run in the game, and even Skupin and Lisa, who are now at F4. One of them would have likely been voted out had Tandang lost a challenge.  Now, on the flipside, good players can of course work to put themselves in positions where they can be safe if faced with early TCs, but that wasn't the case with this tribe. What Denise should have said was that Abi managed to survive simply because she's playing a blatant third place game.  Just like there is at least one every season, they play the abrasive, irrationally rude "character" card and make it clear that they're playing to lose - "take me to the end, no one will vote for me because I acted like a five-year old".

I agree though, the Lisa story makes me nervous that she might pull it out.  The only way I see that is if it's a Lisa/Skupin F2, which I do fear could happen if they do the smart thing and vote Malcolm out next, leaving Denise who would have to win individual immunity (assuming it is indeed a F2 rather than a F3, if it's a F3 one of Malcolm or Denise gets there and I don't see them losing).
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 17, 2012, 12:57:34 AM
Welcome to Cyclone's finale rant. Okay, so ...

For starters, reflecting on the whole season, this was a top 10 season for me.  It was a huge breath of fresh air after I think this franchise had hit rock bottom with recent seasons like Nicaragua, Redemption Island, and One World.  And that ultimately surprised me, because I came in hugely pessimistic because I'm not in favor of having any more returning players, and I also hated the stunt casting of Lisa and Jeff Kent.  But this season delivered, even after the rough start of the Matsing disaster.  The post-merge delivered big time, ending the recent boring trend of lifeless, tedious pagongings, and outside of the oversaturation of Abi confessionals there was a lot of great stuff, with the Malcolm/Denise storyline, Penner's rebound, and so fourth.

- I like Denise a lot as a winner, I just feel like editing dropped the ball with her.  She had a great storyline, being the only player in history to go to every single tribal council, and overcome the same obstacles that Malcolm did after starting off on the disastrous Matsing tribe and making it all the way to the end. But she did not get a "winner's edit" so to speak. I get why Malcolm got the better edit given how likeable he was, but Denise deserved a better edit rather than all of the emphasis on Lisa's tired story (it was almost like Lisa had some kind of secret deal with CBS to get her image out there as publicity stunt or something, I was tired of her "storyline" about two episodes in).  But back to Denise, as Penner said, I do think she played close to a flawless game socially.

- I almost laughed out loud when Skupin tried to create the narrative that he could beat Malcolm because he "had a better story" ... Skupin was a hack. 

- Loved Malcolm showing how big of a fan he was at the reunion ... when Probst asked him about the final challenge, he immediately responded that he knew it was the same as the final challenge of Micronesia when Parvati won and that he knew he would struggle.

- I hate how lame the final challenges have been lately.  This used to be one of the most exciting parts of the show, with the classic challenges of the older seasons, but I simply cannot get excited about balancing a tiny ball on wooden blocks.  If anything, why not switch the "reward" challenge with the final challenge so that it is at least somewhat physical, or at the very least, exciting.

- Even though it was a jury moment, Penner throwing Lisa under the bus about her profession was one of the more ruthless Survivor moments I can think of.  I definitely was not expecting that.  The jury overall was a bit calmer than I had anticipated.  I expected more bitterness.

That's about all of my mental notes as of now.  Great season that dipped a lot after the climax right after the merge, but I am quite happy with the winner, even though I was personally pulling for Malcolm.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on December 17, 2012, 09:32:06 AM
This was a good season indeed but the last 2-3 episodes were not the best. I thought last night's final episode was utterly predictable once it was clear who the F3 were.

The most surprising moment to me was also when Penner "outed" Lisa. There was no reason for that. I don't think it changed anyone's vote but it was a cold thing to do and it changed my mind as to the type of person that guy is. I thought of him quite well before that move. Now, not so much.

I missed most of the reunion show.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 17, 2012, 10:43:56 AM
I thought last night's final episode was utterly predictable once it was clear who the F3 were.

I disagree.  While it made logical sense that Denise would win, I still didn't think that she would at the time.  It's why I brought up the editing in my post ... Denise definitely didn't get a "winner's edit" while the entire season focused way too much on The Lisa Story.  I knew that Skupin wasn't going to get anything but editing had me fooled and I definitely expected Lisa to take it going into the final tribal.  At the very least I expected a closer vote.

The most surprising moment to me was also when Penner "outed" Lisa. There was no reason for that. I don't think it changed anyone's vote but it was a cold thing to do and it changed my mind as to the type of person that guy is. I thought of him quite well before that move. Now, not so much.

I disagree with this as well.  I can understand someone disagreeing with the ethics of Penner's decision to out Lisa, but money is and always has been a big factor in how the jury votes.  And while Lisa's big money came several years ago as a child actor, I'm sure she has still done pretty well over the years when it comes to speaking engagements, publishers, etc.  Now, did Lisa owe it the others to tell them her past?  No, but that's Survivor - if she has been dishonest about something like that, how is the jury supposed to trust her word relative to the game?  Another reason I don't think it was such an evil thing for Penner to do is that I think he blasted just about all 3 of them equally (don't forget that he also called Denise a bitch and exposed Skupin's lie about "always being the target"). 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on December 23, 2012, 01:25:44 AM
- I like Denise a lot as a winner, I just feel like editing dropped the ball with her.  She had a great storyline, being the only player in history to go to every single tribal council, and overcome the same obstacles that Malcolm did after starting off on the disastrous Matsing tribe and making it all the way to the end. But she did not get a "winner's edit" so to speak. I get why Malcolm got the better edit given how likeable he was, but Denise deserved a better edit rather than all of the emphasis on Lisa's tired story (it was almost like Lisa had some kind of secret deal with CBS to get her image out there as publicity stunt or something, I was tired of her "storyline" about two episodes in).  But back to Denise, as Penner said, I do think she played close to a flawless game socially.

- I almost laughed out loud when Skupin tried to create the narrative that he could beat Malcolm because he "had a better story" ... Skupin was a hack. 

- Loved Malcolm showing how big of a fan he was at the reunion ... when Probst asked him about the final challenge, he immediately responded that he knew it was the same as the final challenge of Micronesia when Parvati won and that he knew he would struggle.

- I hate how lame the final challenges have been lately.  This used to be one of the most exciting parts of the show, with the classic challenges of the older seasons, but I simply cannot get excited about balancing a tiny ball on wooden blocks.  If anything, why not switch the "reward" challenge with the final challenge so that it is at least somewhat physical, or at the very least, exciting.

- Even though it was a jury moment, Penner throwing Lisa under the bus about her profession was one of the more ruthless Survivor moments I can think of.  I definitely was not expecting that.  The jury overall was a bit calmer than I had anticipated.  I expected more bitterness.

Denise as a winner is satisfying.  She was an excellent player.  I think Malcolm would have beat her in the F3, but she was excellent.

Agree that Skupin was a hack and his "story" was a fairy tale. 

I loved Malcolm's game knowledge... the talk of the "final three goat" and a few other of his comments were excellent.  Good kid.  His appearance and popularity dictate that he is on next season.  Ugh... I'll skip that for a bit, but the SUPPOSED cast list for the returnees has been leaked.   I've put that in spoiler blocks below... it blows BTW.  I hope it is wrong.  "Favorites" = losers except for Malcolm.

Malcolm Freberg, John Cochran, Brandon Hantz, Phillip Sheppard, Corinne Kaplan, Francesca Hogi, Dawn Meehan, Brenda Lowe, Andrea Boehlke, and Erik Reichenbach

Final challenges should be EPIC battles.  Not craptastic stuff like we've seen lately.

I thought her reply was extremely solid.  There is no Survivor rule that says you have to come on and say "Oh, HAI!  My name is _____ and he is my entire life story.  Here is every job I've ever held.  Here is every award I've won.  Here is a list of my ex's, including the ones that don't live in Texas."


I think he blasted just about all 3 of them equally (don't forget that he also called Denise a bitch and exposed Skupin's lie about "always being the target"). 

This
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on December 23, 2012, 02:17:25 PM
Ugh... I'll skip that for a bit, but the SUPPOSED cast list for the returnees has been leaked.   I've put that in spoiler blocks below... it blows BTW.  I hope it is wrong.  "Favorites" = losers except for Malcolm.

Malcolm Freberg, John Cochran, Brandon Hantz, Phillip Sheppard, Corinne Kaplan, Francesca Hogi, Dawn Meehan, Brenda Lowe, Andrea Boehlke, and Erik Reichenbach


So, so mind-numbingly bad.  And such a buzzkill coming off such a great season.  And sadly, I'm pretty sure it's 100% legit, the cast leaked out a while ago (since the next season actually aired right after the Philippines months ago).  At first I almost didn't believe it, it looks like some kind of weird fan fiction message board post idea of a cast of "favorites", or like Survivor: Goofy Minor League All-Stars.

Since the season is over, is anyone really going to care if we discuss the returnees for next season?  They will be announced soon enough anyway with the new season starting in February.  But anyway, if you don't want to know who the returnees are, stop reading this post now.

...

- Malcolm - Good choice, a fan favorite last season who was an immunity win away from being a really great winner.  Other players will not have seen his season air so they won't know what to expect.  Will be fresh in people's minds where the majority of the other returnees will not.

- Cochran - He was a shoe-in to be a returnee when he made his controversial "big move" (flipping on his tribe to break a tie at the merge which was an awful game move and sealed his fate).  A superfan of the show who played an awful game, the thing that annoys me is that the move he made was the kind where you have to think it was almost done with the foresight of "I bet this will get me on an All-Star season", which is pretty annoying.

- Brandon Hantz - Ugh. Horrific. Why on earth was this needed?  Cast originally for being the golden boy Russell Hantz's nephew, did absolutely nothing worthy of being a returnee, struggled with the ethics of the game due to his Christianity, practically quit the game at the end.  About the umpteenth season featuring a Hantz.

- Phillip - The most annoying kind of returnee to me because they did nothing in the game, they just played a zany "character."  He was the black guy who had visits from his great grandfather in his dreams, played up a Coach-esque gimmick and told everyone he was a special agent 5x an episode. Zzzzz

- Corrine - Really random choice, she was the token cocky, villainous female on Gabon.  Seems like being one of the females on Heroes vs. Villains would have been a better casting choice than this where people will have forgotten her.

- Francesca - Absolute most random choice.  She was the first boot on Redemption Island.  There are plenty of better options for first boots, heck, like Zane from last season for example.  Nobody could possibly care about this.

- Dawn - Middle-aged woman who played the "mom" character two seasons ago.  That's about all I can say.

- Brenda - I like this choice, I thought she would be a serious power player in Nicaragua but she ended up going out with the absolute unpredictable, sporadic voting patterns in that awful seasons.  Good "second chance" type pick. 

- Andrea - Blonde eye candy, did nothing, was one of Boston Rob's blind lemmings on Redemption Island.  That's about it.

- Erik - Again, would have been an interesting returnee at one point, casual viewers won't remember him now. He was ostracized for making one of the "dumbest moves ever" by giving up immunity to the all women's alliance in Micronesia, only to then get voted out at the same tribal.  Couldn't really tell you anything about his overall game.  Another "second chance" type pick, but not a very interesting one/


Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on December 27, 2012, 04:21:48 PM
I don't think it's a spoiler to list who the returning players are (and/or other such tidbits) for the upcoming season.

JUST DON'T POST ANY INSIDE INFO YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE OUTCOME OF THE SEASON.

There was an idiot on the WOXY boards who did that.... <le sigh>

As to the list or returning players, I have to say that I am surprised as there are far and few truly "deserving" to return on that list. I guess I just don't get it...
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Poncho on January 10, 2013, 05:08:38 PM
I don't think it's a spoiler to list who the returning players are (and/or other such tidbits) for the upcoming season.


It is for some people.  It shows something that CBS won't for a while.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on January 11, 2013, 10:16:57 AM
The cast was actually announced this morning: http://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/cast/ (that link is just pictures/bios, there are video clips as well when you poke around the site)

We already talked about the returning players, and it looks like the new players leave a lot to be desired.  There's the typical surplus of young blonde female types, a couple young alpha male looking guys, and the token black guy.  There's also an alternative looking guy from Cincinnati who has long hair and a huge red beard, he plays in a metal band that has played at local venues like the Southgate House Revival.

Here he is ...

(http://static.tvtome.com/images/processed/mini_viewer/fb/a5/381758.jpg)

Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on January 11, 2013, 01:37:59 PM


- Malcolm - Good choice, a fan favorite last season who was an immunity win away from being a really great winner.  Other players will not have seen his season air so they won't know what to expect.  Will be fresh in people's minds where the majority of the other returnees will not.


I'll keep an open mind about the fans but really, he is probably the one I'll be cheering on...again. You pretty much hit the rest of them on the head with just major "ugh."
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: c-lando on January 11, 2013, 02:28:35 PM
The cast was actually announced this morning: http://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/cast/ (that link is just pictures/bios, there are video clips as well when you poke around the site)

We already talked about the returning players, and it looks like the new players leave a lot to be desired.  There's the typical surplus of young blonde female types, a couple young alpha male looking guys, and the token black guy.  There's also an alternative looking guy from Cincinnati who has long hair and a huge red beard, he plays in a metal band that has played at local venues like the Southgate House Revival.

Here he is ...

(http://static.tvtome.com/images/processed/mini_viewer/fb/a5/381758.jpg)


Wherle has GOT to know this guy, right!?!?!?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on January 12, 2013, 12:47:59 PM
According to the Enquirer, Reynold Toepfer is also from Cincinnati although it's not in his bio. He graduated from Princeton High School and Miami U.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on January 12, 2013, 01:42:15 PM
According to the Enquirer, Reynold Toepfer is also from Cincinnati although it's not in his bio. He graduated from Princeton High School and Miami U.

Good catch. It's kind of funny, nowadays "current residence" is listed in the bios rather than "hometown" due to the fact that so many players are now recruited by casting in larger cities, so you'll get so many California/NY people.  I guess that's to make them seem cooler when in reality everyone just notices the lack of diversity.

The first person voted out of the Samoa season 4-5 years ago (a girl named Marisa) was a Northside resident and was attending Cincinnati State the same time I was, never saw her though.  I don't think there had been any previous ones since (ugh ...) Lil the scoutleader from way back, and I think she was technically from somewhere in Northern Kentucky.

Also of note, Shamar, the ex-marine from this season, is the guy yelling at police in this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9HvJhilJzo) Occupy Wall Street video that went kind of virile at the time.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on January 12, 2013, 11:34:09 PM
Cyclone, have you ever applied to enter Survivor? Just curious. And if not, why?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on January 13, 2013, 08:26:29 PM
Cyclone, have you ever applied to enter Survivor? Just curious. And if not, why?

I have applied twice.

Years ago, the age limit was different and I was too young initially.  They changed it to only having to be 18 about 6-7 years ago and I applied as soon as I could and then again a couple of years later.  The application process might be different now (for example, I'd imagine that you submit your "video" via the internet), but when I applied you had to film a short, compelling video clip of yourself and then send the disc in an envelope to CBS along with printing off and sending in the mini-book that is the official paperwork.  Seriously, that thing was a solid 50 pages or so.  But it was kind of cool to fill it out, because the actual physical application was how they used to actually evaluate people.  And so you had to answer really specific questions in paragraph form such as explaining which former Survivor would you model your strategy after, why you feel it would be effective, etc. I remember that I talked about more obscure, non-popular contestants from the past, which in retrospect probably wasn't what they were looking for.  Not that I would do it any differently now.

Sadly, these days the casting process is completely different.  Most modern casts going back probably about ten seasons now are at least 75% "recruited", meaning that CBS went out and approached people about being on the show and then recruited them.  This is why you see so many young, attractive model/actor types on every season.  It's also a big reason that the quality of the show has decreased a lot in that span, because rather than giving huge fans who are passionate about the game a chance to apply and compete on the show, they are just picking out pretty people they find around Los Angeles or similar cities who will be eye candy on the show are generally (but not always) really clueless when they get out there.  When new casts are announced, a pretty accurate way of finding out who is a big fan and who barely even knows the show is to look at what they listed for "player they are most like" in their bio.  If they list "I'm so unique I'm not like anyone!" or if it's just a mega-popular player or someone from the previous season before theirs, they probably don't have much knowledge of the show. And it's always good to root for the superfans because it's like rooting for you or me who truly love the show as opposed to someone who just got recruited and are trying to jumpstart a modeling career or something like that.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on January 13, 2013, 10:57:00 PM
thanks for those insights... I didn't realize that there was so much "recruiting" going on these days. That's a shame, really.

I would never even think of applying for Survivor as I know I could never take the harsh conditions of being out there. I think a lot of people truly underestimate what it's like to live out there. (I could see myself doing "Amazing Race" with either my son or daughter, but that's another story.)

In any event, regardless of the apparent weak buzz for the coming season, I'll be watching  ;)
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on January 14, 2013, 12:14:15 PM
thanks for those insights... I didn't realize that there was so much "recruiting" going on these days. That's a shame, really.

I would never even think of applying for Survivor as I know I could never take the harsh conditions of being out there. I think a lot of people truly underestimate what it's like to live out there. (I could see myself doing "Amazing Race" with either my son or daughter, but that's another story.)

In any event, regardless of the apparent weak buzz for the coming season, I'll be watching  ;)

I agree...Amazing Race is more my style though, any challenge that would involve eating bugs or something equally gross would probably cost me a million dollars. I hope Mark could do that one. ;)
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on February 13, 2013, 10:59:52 AM
Out of nowhere, this is tonight.  90-minute premiere.  Despite the fact that the returning "favorites" have made this without a doubt my least anticipated season in history, let's hold out hope that there are a couple of hits on the "fans" to salvage it.

Michael was my pre-season favorite.  He wasn't particularly interesting, but it's hard not to root for a guy who lists Rob Cesternino and Cirie as his favorite Survivors in his bio.  For being "fans", it seems like the usual stunt casting with the rest (unlike the original Fans vs. Favorites where they supposedly actually cast diehard fans).  Reynold, with the local connection, seems to have potential, but I he'll either be a high risk, high reward kind of player or he will just fall flat.

The only returnees I have much interest in are Malcolm and Brenda.  Half of them are just there to play their annoying zany characters again and hog confessionals. 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on February 13, 2013, 11:33:35 AM
I'm looking forward to it! I thought at first that tonight's episode was a 2 hr. episode. Glad to see it's trimmed to 90 min. I have low expectations going into this season. Which probably will make it a good one! <knock on wood>
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on February 13, 2013, 09:56:08 PM
The premiere went about exactly like I expected it would.  I kind of question why it even needed to be 90 minutes in that regard, the editing was really obvious and there were no real twists or character introductions/development that warranted more time.

If every single person in the universe watching this show didn't predict that Franesca would be the first boot within the first few minutes of them getting to camp with her "if I get voted off first for the second time I'll eat this rock" confessional then you have never, ever seen Survivor before.  And it's kind of weird because while statistically Francesca would now be in a league of her own as the worst player ever, I'm not really sure why she was voted out either time.  The first time everyone (read: B. Rob) just recognized that Philip was a goat amongst goats and appeased him by voting out who he didn't like, this time I guess she was too aggressive strategically right off the bat, but no more of a liability than anyone else there including Andrea.

The "favorites" tribe was dominated by "zany" Philip confessionals with occasional bits of Cochran and Francesca while everyone else was largely ignored.  Even Malcolm barely got a confessional in.  The editing for the fans was a bit more even, the players were just annoying because of the Attractive Young People Alliance (that couldn't count to figure out that they don't have the numbers).  Eddie has got to be one of the biggest first impression douches ever. Shamar has also done a pretty good job of volunteering himself as the first boot for when the fans go to TC.

Did anyone else think of the Cincinnati connection regarding cornhole when Reynold got the win with throwing the bags in the holes at the challenge?

I'll say it again: Malcolm and Brenda are the only two returnees I care about.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on February 13, 2013, 10:51:22 PM
I agree with pretty much everything Cyclone said (damn you! cyclone! for getting to it first! as always! <just kidding>).

only a couple of additional thoughts: I didn't remember Eric being this much of a "strategic" player the first time around.

Cochran is already getting on my nerves, pontificating his thoughts/analysis. Enough already! And he gets sunburned, again, but he didn't think to bring along an Australian hat??? wow.

Malcolm has to be a favorite to win right away. He smartly stays in the background, and even falters in the IC, which in fact may be good for him since that will not immediately project him as a "can-all do-all" guy.

Andrea sure is nice eye-candy, and she's trying to be a bit more strategic, or at least trying to project herself as such. I hope she sticks around for a while  ;)

Not much to say of the Fans. Matt from Cincinnati seems like he could be a good player. Didn't think of the same connection with throwing the sand bags.

And what about that first night "snuggling"? Ha! that will spice up things (hopefully).

If we can believe the teaser for next week, Brandon will go off the rails. Goodie!
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on February 13, 2013, 11:39:50 PM
I didn't remember Eric being this much of a "strategic" player the first time around.

Did you mean someone else here?  I don't remember Erik doing anything besides being threatened by Philip.  If you perhaps meant Philip, he is being strategic but going about it in the wrong way - making alliances with too many people right from the start and still being so abrasive and loony that he will be viewed/used as a goat.

I agree about Macolm, I think he will at the very least skate to the merge.  Even though he was beaten in today's part of the challenge by a miracle performance by Reynold, when you look at the two tribes, I think it would be suicide to get rid of him early due to his challenge ability.  Of course, I also expect that a tribal swap will happen pre-merge if not very soon, and that I think could really hurt his chances.  It did surprise me that the favorites never even brought up his name as the first boot, considering of course that no one has seen Malcolm's season (since this season was filmed while last season was airing) and that he is just a mystery player that was brought back, let alone a young, handsome guy.  Not that I expected any better gameplay from this group.

For posterity's sake, Reynold was actually the Cincinnatian that threw the bags, Matt was the Cincinnatian with the huge beard who got in the argument with the enormous Iraq vet (don't worry, the only reason I know these things is because I'm such a fanboy that I memorize the names before the seasons start).  Matt seemed more level-headed than I had expected from my pre-season stereotyping, I thought he might be more of a character-type, but he seems like he might have some game in him.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on February 20, 2013, 09:49:21 PM
A lot to digest from that one ...

I'm mostly annoyed that CBS seems to be getting exactly what they wanted to with this season: a bunch of "characters" doing stupid crazy stuff for the cameras that we've already seen a million times given that they're returnees, which is not only uber-annoying to watch (again), but it means that they are sacrificing character development of everyone else, i.e. allowing a player to be booted who literally might not have had a single confessional her whole time on the show (more on that later).  It's just really annoying to watch and it's going to be a long season for me if people like Philip and Brandon stick around a while.  Both of them are so absolutely putrid and a cancer for the show.

The favorites lucked out that there was apparently a rule in place at the challenge that the ring tosser at the end had to be switched after they were all thrown ... it looked like it was going to be a blowout, but then Reynold came very close to coming back and beating Malcolm yet again, he made one and came very close on all of his other throws but then they had to switch.

The HII drama: for starters, something seemed really "off" about the whole finding of the idol.  Reynold finding it extremely easily (he even admitted as he found it that he had barely been looking) in a random tree for starters was odd, although this has happened a lot for no apparent reason besides that the producers must hide them in really easy, obvious places where people find them without even having clues.  And then the blonde girl figuring out he had it because she saw a "bulge" in his pants from a distance?  Something just seemed really off about that whole sequence to me ... I have to wonder if something happened that was unaired or edited out.

Alas, Reynold made the right move to not play the HII after showing it to the tribe and saying he was going to play it.  Malcolm did this last season, it's a brilliant strategy, pretty much guaranteeing no one will vote for you and you get to keep the idol.  Alas, since the Douche Alliance doesn't know math and that an alliance of 4 is not the majority in 10, they deserved what they got.  Someone named "Allie" got voted out, no one knew who that was, etc. 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on February 20, 2013, 10:09:14 PM
I missed tonight's episode (so I didn't read your comments, Cyclone). Will catch it in the next few days on the web.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: trixi on February 20, 2013, 10:43:13 PM
I also agree about the HII thing.  First you have Reynold talking about how he has to hide it and make sure no one knows he has it, can't see it in his pockets.  Then you have the shot of the blonde watching him in the distance messing around with his pants.  So why would he be "hiding" the immunity idol out on the beach in sight of camp vs where he was when he found it?  And her immediate jump to "it must be the idol" was a bit odd too.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on February 20, 2013, 11:33:05 PM
So why would he be "hiding" the immunity idol out on the beach in sight of camp vs where he was when he found it? 

That's a good point that I hadn't thought about.  My guess (assuming what we saw on the episode was largely accurate) is that the shot of her seeing it was when he was putting his pants on when they were about to go to Tribal and that's why it was visible to the tribe and she noticed.  But yeah, the whole thing is still really odd and makes me think that she already knew or was at least curious about him finding it and the bulge thing was just a convenient excuse to bring it up.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on February 22, 2013, 09:16:58 AM
So about two minutes before Cochran mentions that he thinks Brandon is dangerous and in the way a serial killer is dangerous, Mark had just said to me that he thinks that Brandon has mental issues, maybe even sociopathic ones, and that he really shouldn't be on the show. The guy needs to go before someone gets hurt. And please send him to therapy.

I am having trouble picking out characters that I want to stick around for a while other than Malcolm. This could be a long season.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on February 23, 2013, 09:52:58 AM
survivor - season of the goats (that you've already seen before) continues...

phillip is at least fairly benign and somewhat entertaining so far...  he will get old soon.

brandon's complete flip flop of character is already annoying. i wouldn't be surprised if the hantz family has a p.r. rep and scripted out the season for him. and his tirade? 3 minutes of being pissed off? the promo made it seem he was going full blown hater for the rest of the season. guess i should've known. i imagine he's as normal as anyone else on the outside. speaking of russell, what is that guy up to these days?

glad franchesca is gone. hilarious that she's the worst player ever in survivor history. she's the poster child for over thinking the game. sheesh, find an alliance, confirm said alliance, and stay cool. constant strategy puts a target on her back - which she obviously didn't learn from the last game. it's also a bit unfair to put her in the game with the person responsible for voting her out the first time = easy target for everyone else.

the douche alliance is down to three, perhaps we'll see some game play from them now. the remaining couple will/should be the next targeted. that was a stupid move to "cuddle" on the first night. i'd vote them out as early as possible. with them gone, reynold could become a player.

enjoy seeing shamarr all season. he's the fans goat. and i bet he'll continue to be abrasive, just 'cause he can. kinda surprised race hasn't been thrown out yet in all the jawing going on in the fans tribe about him. although, as a marine, if his alliance shows some type of leadership (as someone said during the show) he might just fall in line and take the orders, so to speak. if that's the case, he could be a force and run deep in the game, and be likable - a small chance, but one their alliance is betting on.

is the guy with the idol from cincy? i like the beard guy, and hope he goes far.

yeah, that whole idol thing seemed a bit odd. why aren't the favs searching for their idol? they've got to know one is out there somewhere. perhaps they all keep an eye on each other so solo time to search doesn't happen often?

until next week...




Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on February 23, 2013, 11:04:00 AM
Saw the episode last night. Not much to add that hasn't been said already, although I will say that Shammar, the Iraq wa veteran, is really annoying. In other words: there are far more annoying players than there are likeable players...  Brandon and Philip REALLY need to go, the sooner the better.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on February 25, 2013, 11:15:33 AM
speaking of russell, what is that guy up to these days?

Had a house flipping show on some cable channel recently, believe it or not.  At least I know it was in production, maybe we were all spared and it never actually made it on.

it's also a bit unfair to put her in the game with the person responsible for voting her out the first time = easy target for everyone else.

I agree, I think the only reason she was really voted out this time was because being a first boot the first time, it made it the ultimate easy, stress-free decision.  Not only do I not think she's the worst player, I don't even think she's the worst on her own tribe.  

is the guy with the idol from cincy? i like the beard guy, and hope he goes far.

San Francisco resident now, but from Cincy, went to HS and college here.

I don't think Shamar will actually go deep as a goat (although the older woman on the fan's seems adamant about it.).  The commercials for next week are showing him go absolutely ballistic (commercials/previews are always deceiving, but in this case it's simply footage of him in screaming matches with his tribemates) and if you want to be a goat, even of the abrasive "I'm too mean to ever get votes" variety, there are boundaries.  I listened to an interview with the girl just voted out, and she said stuff isn't making the episodes either, like for example the reason that Reynold called him out after the challenge was that he kept screaming at her in front of the other tribe at the challenge.  I think they'll end up cutting him loose when realizing that they'll still have numbers without him.

I still think we're almost guaranteed to get a tribal swap before the merge.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on February 25, 2013, 12:53:23 PM
Was I the only sighing with relief when Philip was shown wearing long board shorts vs his pink undies that are stretching out already??
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on March 07, 2013, 08:46:54 PM
Not much to say about Shamar getting medevaced.  Hope his eye's okay, but guy was a total hack.  That was a new one ... 300lb army vet comes onto the show to play a lazy goat/bully, threatens to quit because he can't take it on day ten or so, ends up injuring his eye somehow.  At least the episode he went out, he went out in typical gimmicky fashion, where at the reward challenge, he started celebrating thinking that their tribe had won when they lost.

Fans tribe is officially screwed at this point by losing two in one episode.  They need to pray for a tribal swap very soon because not only would they be Pagonged at the merge, but they wouldn't even be a cohesive unit at the merge due to the two different alliances.  To be honest I'm pretty surprised that we didn't get a tribal swap even earlier than before now given that it's a fan vs. favorites season.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on March 07, 2013, 11:00:50 PM
So glad so see Shamar gone. As you said, he was a total hack. He is certificably one of THE worst Survivor contestants ever.

I suspect that we'll see a tribal swap soon, altough if we can believe the sneak preview of next week, we may have to endure another Brendan meltdown first.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on March 08, 2013, 08:53:59 AM
yes, it's the favorites game to lose at this point. the fans don't seem to realize that making/keeping an alliance - whether you like being in it in the long run or not - is crucial. the 5 should've kept laura and voted out disgruntled edie, who's still pissed that they voted out his make out partner. i think reynold could be an ally (he seems to have some smarts about him), but i wouldn't trust edie at all. now the fans are three sets of two: women, young men, and old men. no way they can regroup to be competitive with the favs. even with a merge of some kind. too splintered.  the alliance they should've made: two old guys, reynold, the older woman, and kept shamar and laura for the numbers, knowing that shamar was the expendable one. but too little, too late. the fans really made crappy alliances.

even the post tribal "discussion" at the beginning of the episode was lame. the two young guys upset that their alliance was stupid and deserved to be voted out being all in the face of the other alliance. c'mon guys. you picked two girls to be in with you, edie made out with one of them the first night and you expect to stay in the game? be upset that your strategy was stupid.

looks like most of the jury will be fav. and i hope when the merge does happen, the fav continue to vote out the fans. malcolm and corrine hold the power in the fav group and i expect them to make a deep run with the hii.

shamar being ousted with a deep gouge of the cornea? how does that happen? i don't think there's been any eye issues in the past. but good riddance. he was annoying and weaker than he thought. clearly, surviving is much different than serving in iraq (all respect to our vets). it didn't surprise me that shamar was medivacked out.

the preview:
hantz goes ballistic with the dumping of the rice? how do the fav get more rice? i hope they vote him out, finally and end the hantz run on survivor. clearly the worst decision of the producer's: to let the hantz family continue to be a part of survivor. please vote him out. oh, and nice stars and bars tat brandon. doesn't most of the world consider that slightly racist today? sheesh. begone!  if another hantz gets on the show, i'm going to be really pissed off.



Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on March 08, 2013, 09:05:43 AM
After that ep, I am starting to wonder if these are really the best fans they could have picked for the show. Their strategy is really crap. I disagree that letting Laura go was a mistake vs Edie though I think they should have gotten rid of the Shamar goat loving lady...her and Laura are the weakest links and if you can't win a challenge, what good is your alliance if you all get sent home?

I too can't wait for Brandon to go home but the faves actually have to lose for that to even come close to happening...
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on March 08, 2013, 11:01:27 AM
yes, it's the favorites game to lose at this point. the fans don't seem to realize that making/keeping an alliance - whether you like being in it in the long run or not - is crucial. the 5 should've kept laura and voted out disgruntled edie, who's still pissed that they voted out his make out partner.

Again, I disagree.  I think Reynold hit it on the head at the tribal, having a strong alliance is a good strategy, but not if it's glorifying losing at the same time.  The play of the fans constantly has me going back and fourth because on one hand, like you said, the Attractive People alliance was mind-boggingly bad in not understanding basic math and I agree, they deserve to be picked off for thinking that an alliance of 4 is the majority in an alliance of 10.  On the other hand, what I think was possibly an even worse strategy was the rest of the fans deciding that they needed to sacrifice the tribe's well-being by trying to pick a tribe cancer as their goat from day one.  When it comes to this episode, I think Matt was correct, having a small, tight-pact alliance is fine but will be pointless if they just keep continuing to lose.  You're going to get steamrolled at the merge.  So they keep Laura, she's horrid at the challenges, and then you go into the merge with her and she's a blind vote for you but nothing else.  But let's say you keep Reynold, he gives you a shot at winning which you desperately need (let's be honest, realistically the fans need to win 3-4 challenges to get back into this), and although he might flip at the merge, there's a chance he might stick with you if he realizes it's to his advantage and vote with the fans.

No one mentioned the HII play ... it was a wasted idol, but I think in Reynold's case you have to play it there.  No one you can trust the random scenario where they come up to him and say Laura is the vote because they all of a sudden tried to keep the tribe strong.  We'll see if the idol now goes back into play.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on March 09, 2013, 01:37:51 AM

No one mentioned the HII play ... it was a wasted idol, but I think in Reynold's case you have to play it there.  No one you can trust the random scenario where they come up to him and say Laura is the vote because they all of a sudden tried to keep the tribe strong.  We'll see if the idol now goes back into play.
I respectfully disagree, Reynold should have been more confident and NOT have played the HII. Now he wasted it when it really was not necessary and he exposes himself.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on March 11, 2013, 12:38:06 PM
have you seen the promo's for this week?

probst is massaging hantz's shoulders and calls for an immediate tribal council? what went down?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on March 11, 2013, 02:58:16 PM
have you seen the promo's for this week?

probst is massaging hantz's shoulders and calls for an immediate tribal council? what went down?

They are definitely making it look VERY dramatic.

One possible guess: Brandon going so wildely off the rails that all of the other players (both tribes) must decide whether to keep him around or kick him out of the game. That would be a first in Survivor history I think.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on March 11, 2013, 03:46:16 PM
Sadly, the way editing is so over-the-top these days to try to create hype and how little of it actually ever turns out to be anything substantial, I have to assume that it's actually rather minor and nothing like what the promo is teasing.  I hope I'm wrong.

If I had to take a total guess at a scenario where they really milked something completely minor to make it look crazy, perhaps the favorites tribe gets into a fight with themselves at an immunity challenge which makes Probst say that line about "we're having a tribal council right now."  Though that doesn't explain why Probst has his hands on Brandon's shoulders ...

Euro could be correct that Brandon might have broken some of the game's rules that are in the contract which caused intervention, and that would indeed be a Survivor first.  The official preview that aired right after last week's episode showed him dumping out the tribe's rice and borderline initiating violence so I'm sure it's related somehow.  Let's hope he goes ahead and kicks his self off the show so we can get rid of him pre-merge!
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on March 13, 2013, 09:58:40 PM
The biggest thing I take from that episode is how it is the most in 26 seasons that the show has "broken format" so to speak.  The whole scene where Brandon embraces the other tribe before the challenge and then getting called over next to Probst to give his speech for a good 10-15 minutes or so, there has definitely been nothing like that in the show's history that went drastically different than the usual format of challenge, tribal, etc.  Even when people have quit before, it hasn't been done in that fashion.

What to say about the meltdown itself?  The discussion came up previously in this thread as to whether is was right for the show to bring back Brandon due to his being psychologically unstable and being socially inept.  It's almost like because his uncle was a megastar for the show, he got to skip the psychiatric testing which is supposed to be a pretty essential element to getting cast on the show.  CBS kind of created it's own monster here by casting this loony group of "characters" as a favorite's tribe.  Philip and Brandon specifically are obviously nuts and their personalities have to transcend just hamming it for the cameras to real life (even though Philip handled the situation rather calmly and well, he has his own issues with his pseudo-bullying insistence on being the dictator and his totally wacko "Stealth R Us" shtick), and putting them together is only asking for serious problems or potential danger.

... and what was up with Probst's awkward shoulder massage to Brandon?  At first it was like, okay, this is a really uncomfortable situation for everyone is involved, so Probst is trying to comfort Brandon.  But then for seemingly several minutes, he is just going to town on his shoulders.  Was I the only one who found that odd?

If anyone cares to talk about anything not meltdown-related, we had Reynold finding a second HII just days after playing his other one.  Also, the preview for next episode basically confirms that there will finally be a tribal swap.  
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on March 13, 2013, 11:05:57 PM
Several thoughts:

-- It's impossible to tell whether this was the "real" troubled Brandon or simply a huge ego-play, realizing he was a goner at the next occasion.

-- This episode may have been a HUGE turn-off for the casual (if there is such a thing) Survivor TV watcher. I'll be interested to see how the TV ratings evolve in the coming weeks. I know that for myself, this episode leaves a bad after-taste.

-- Philip get a lot of criticism but on the other hand, the guy has been clutch in the challenges, again and again. I am quite sure he does not have the social skills to win, but in the meantime he performs. And I don't know that I could've been as restrained as he was when Brandon went on his tirade.

-- Reynold finding another HII... It's a game of luck, they were all looking for it, and by golly, he found it, just like that. Maybe they should rename this BHII, as in Barely Hidden Immunity Idol... But more power to Reynold, I like the guy.

-- It does sound like a tribal swap is upon us, and not a minute too soon after all we've been watching.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on March 14, 2013, 01:08:35 AM
-- Philip get a lot of criticism but on the other hand, the guy has been clutch in the challenges, again and again.

He has been good in challenges, but also take a look at the competition.  I mean tonight, the fans had to put Matt and Michael up against Philip and Brandon as the weight-holders, who probably have a combined good 200lbs on those guys.  Why the fans didn't at least put Eddie as one of the guys holding the rope is beyond me ... I get why Reynold was shooting because he has been dominant at throwing in challenges, but you want to at least have one really strong guy there to hold the rope (and that's nothing against Matt and Michael, who certainly held their own against those guys).  And then you had Sherry once again being a total joke in the challenges, trying to underhand toss her coconuts and wasn't even coming close to landing any in Philip's net.  To that point, I found it comical how Sherry had that confessional about how "muscle isn't working" regarding Eddie and Reynold and the challenges.  I'm pretty sure she has single-handedly cost them the last two (very close) challenges herself, but I guess when you have some people who actually perform well when you lose, you scapegoat them for not doing virtually everything themselves.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on March 14, 2013, 12:43:31 PM
You can't blame Philip for the fact that the Fans can't staff their challenge teams right. I also thought to myself "why aren't Eddie and Reyond pulling rope?". That aside, for whatever reason Philip seemingly has done just enough to come through, just about every single time it mattered for the Favorites. When it's once, it doesn't count. When it's twice, it's probably luck. When it's been 4 or 5 times, you gotta give him (some) credit.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on March 15, 2013, 12:00:55 AM
wow. just wow.

part of me hopes brandon and the hantzs scripted that tirade. part of me thinks none of them are that smart. his rage did appear to be genuine. i think probst was rubbing his shoulders to keep him from attacking phillip. most of me thinks brandon is a punk with mental health issues. good riddance. i will be very disappointed if another hantz shows up on the show ever again, as in the reunion show.

phillip has performed in challenges, but showed his true character at the very end of the episode. imho, its a better sign of strength to keep you comments to yourself in that situation; brandon was finished, he was going to be gone in just a few minutes, but phillip had to bring up russell. sheesh dude. we all know that. just let the kid rant and begone with him. (granted, i don't know that i'd be able to bite my tongue after 13 days of survivor). welcome to phillip again going deep into the game, as he will be the favs goat, yet have no chance to win.

kudos to reynold for finding the idol again, appeared to be the next morning from what edie said. don't know that i would let anyone know, even edie.

my wife and i had the comment that it's kinda amazing that there's been no fisticuffs through 21 seasons. with the exception of brandon, the screening process seems to have worked.

with all the strangeness that's occurred, they but little choice to swap (or merge) members of the two tribes.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on March 20, 2013, 09:22:19 PM
How is it that seemingly every single time there is a tribal swap, the tribes end up the most uneven way possible?  Honestly, nearly every swap I can remember seems like it always results in impending doom for one tribe who has virtually no chance in the challenges.  This was perhaps the most uneven one ever.  For as many things that seem to always go right for the show that make entertaining television to the point where it makes some people question it's authenticity, this is one area where they seemingly always run into bad luck.  As soon as I saw that the orange tribe got all four of Malcolm, Eddie, Reynold and Erik, I knew "welp, orange is going to win every single challenge until the merge."  Guarantee it.  And the purple tribe only dug their hole about 10 feet deeper with their decision at tribal.  Speaking of which ...

Is that vote off of Matt not one of the most random, inexplicable ones in a while?  There was no explanation for it.  So it was going to be one of the three fans, that was a given.  But as much as I dislike Phillip, he had the right idea.  When you're already severely over-matched for the challenges, the obvious move there is to cut the weakest link (Julia).  Matt is arguably their second best challenge asset after Phillip, plus he seemed to be adapting to the new tribe just fine.  He was willing to go in with the main alliance, was strong physically, etc.  They decide to vote him off out of blind fear of a HII?  He was even the one of the three in which they said that they believed he truly didn't have it.  And as soon as they showed two tribe members showing their Julia votes, I immediately knew it was Matt as Julia was too obvious to be true.  Farewell, Matt from Cincinnati.  You were perhaps my favorite one out there, and you represented both the city and us bearded men rather well.  I'm sorry you were voted out for no reason.  Maybe I'll run into you some day.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on March 21, 2013, 09:35:35 AM
Agreed with all of your comments.

Not voting off Julia was sheer madness and utter stupidity. And I had the exact same reaction as you: as soon as I saw Julia's name written down twice, I immediately "knew" Matt was a goner.

Given the imbalance between the 2 tribes, the merge will happen soon, maybe next week already, although that will not solve the OTHER imbalance (Favorites vs. Fans), as the Fans will be picked off one by one, so Mark Burnett finds himself in a pickle here. Maybe he can do a merge with The Bible, now THAT would be interesting  :P
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: trixi on March 21, 2013, 10:04:33 PM
Cyclone, Matt hangs out at BW3 on Beechmont during the show on Wed nights.  He's apparently quite friendly to everyone.

And I also can't figure out why they did not vote off Julia. 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on March 27, 2013, 10:28:43 PM
At least next week is the merge so we don't have to endure another week of an inevitable Bikal loss with an obvious vote out.  It's looking kind of stupid that they didn't end up doing the tribal swap a lot earlier since it only lasted two episodes.  Since there wasn't really much to digest about that episode, here are just a few random thoughts ...

- The bro-alliance of 4 is potentially interesting.  Though it seems like these types of alliances always end up making fatal mistakes and are destined to fail from the beginning, this one could be a force is done right with Malcolm's savvy gameplay and having two HIIs at their disposal.

- A subtle hilarious moment that I doubt many people caught was when Corrine was trying to convince her alliance to not split the votes and save Michael and then had a confessional where she said "they're worried he might have an idol, I know he doesn't because me and Malcolm found it!" ... there are two idols at the two different tribes, Corinne.  Malcolm found your idol, Reynold found theirs.  Yikes.

- Kind of odd how I'm not disliking Cochran thus far.  I hold a major grudge for him for his first time out when his gimmick was that he was a superfan and then made a horrible strategic move for the sake of drawing attention and controversy, but he clearly "gets" that the majority of these people were brought back for being goons and isn't afraid to comment on it.  He's still nothing as a player though.

That's all I get.  I repeat: at least next week is the merge.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on March 27, 2013, 11:40:23 PM
this was a pretty weak episode as all looked inevitable but glady we get the merge next week.

Cyclone, just my opinion, but I think the 4 man "bro-alliance" is dead on arrival, Malcolm is just playing Reynold. The numbers are such that the remaining "Fans" will likely be voted off one by one. Which means we'll probably have to endure Philip for a few more episodes. Man, that guy is getting more screen time than anyone else, and it get tiring.

I could be all wrong on this, of course, which is why I keep watching. But this season has been pretty tame so far.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on March 29, 2013, 09:45:13 AM
I also wouldn't count out Malcolm as playing Reynold seeing as he pretty much did that to Denise last season. Malcolm is still my fave...

If Cochran and Corinne get voted off, can they please be kept around for their biting commentary? Best part of the episode except for maybe when Philip was trying to convince Cochran that he purposely threw the challenge.  ::)
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on March 29, 2013, 10:52:56 AM
Yes, Malcolm could just be playing the other guys.  But I wouldn't put it past him to try to make a "big move", this being his second time out, where he played a rather conservative (be it, rather great and successful) game last time.  I think creating a new alliance for the merge and turning on the group of "favorites" would be just that.  Still, that would raise serious question marks as to his endgame strategy.  He would be aligning with serious competition in the other three alpha male types where as for the rest of the cast, I'm not sure how many of them people would be comfortable writing their name down at the end.  I wouldn't be surprised to see that alliance bring in Corrine (who was originally aligned with Malcolm, and knows he has the idol) and also potentially Michael (who Corrine is protecting), and then there's some numbers over the "Stay Favorites" alliance of Philip/Cochran/Dawn, etc.

I thought it was smart of Reynold telling Malcolm he had the idol to use it as leverage, though generally speaking I like when people always keep it to themselves to blindside someone when they use it.  This situation was a win-win though, he was definitely going to be perhaps the no. 1 target at the merge and the HII would ultimately just save him once, might as well try to use it to gain footing rather than just one free pass.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on April 04, 2013, 11:01:34 PM
Last night's episode was GREAT. Super-cocky Corrine blindsided? Oh yea!

BUT if next week's sneak preview can be believed, Malcolm is scheming to get back with Dawn. Why oh why would Dawn fall for that, now that her group (who blindsided Corrine) have the majority?

I'm gonna miss next week's episode due to business travel but will catch up when I get back in town via the CBS website replay.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 05, 2013, 09:56:33 AM
It was probably the first great episode since maybe the first episode.  Of course, you usually get a superb merge episode by default.

I was personally hoping it went the other way at tribal, I'm not necessarily a Corrine fan but I was supportive of the effort to make a new alliance and break up the inevitably boring all-favorites alliance.  Plus most of the few players that I like were in that new alliance.  And I don't like Sherry, and I would have rather just gotten rid of her who is just dead weight at this point.  Granted, at least if the result didn't end up going the way I preferred, it was at least a satisfying, entertaining blindside.

As to your question with the preview, it would not surprise me if a big move was still to come, simply because there are just too many favorites left, and if at least a few of those players are thinking long term I can see something happening.  By my quick math there are still 7 favorites left (Francesca voted out first, Brandon's quit, Corrine last night) and they still heavily outnumber the fans.  I could be wrong but I don't see the favorites Pagonging the fans and it only getting interesting then.  And if so, we can credit Malcolm for making what looked extremely bleak at least somewhat interesting.

Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on April 08, 2013, 08:44:54 AM
I am not sure why Corinne didn't just go along with Philip with saying they would split the vote between Reynold and Eddie and then do the opposite and vote off Sherry. I guess she was on too much of an ego trip. She sort of deserved to be blindsided. Personally I think they made the mistake of not getting rid of Phillip first because he is the big troublemaker but yeah, I probably wouldn't last long with my strategy on Survivor. ;)

I too am confused by Malcolm going to Dawn but then it was a promo and they always like to deceive and even if it is true, I guess he doesn't know she was the main reason the other favorites voted out Corinne?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 08, 2013, 04:36:37 PM
I am not sure why Corinne didn't just go along with Philip with saying they would split the vote between Reynold and Eddie and then do the opposite and vote off Sherry. I guess she was on too much of an ego trip. She sort of deserved to be blindsided.

Corinne was on the outs of the main "favorites" alliance (Phillip, Dawn, Cochran, etc.)  Philip was even tempted to vote her out before one of the fans before the merge after the tribes got swapped because those two were constantly going at it. So rather than just letting a couple people get voted out before it was her time, she tried to make a move to shift the power from that alliance while there were still a lot of numbers to do so.  So I disagree that she was being egotistical or that she deserved to be blindsided, she tried to make a smart strategic move which can't be said for the rest of the "favorites", but alas it didn't work out.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on April 09, 2013, 08:53:54 AM
I am not sure why Corinne didn't just go along with Philip with saying they would split the vote between Reynold and Eddie and then do the opposite and vote off Sherry. I guess she was on too much of an ego trip. She sort of deserved to be blindsided.

Corinne was on the outs of the main "favorites" alliance (Phillip, Dawn, Cochran, etc.)  Philip was even tempted to vote her out before one of the fans before the merge after the tribes got swapped because those two were constantly going at it. So rather than just letting a couple people get voted out before it was her time, she tried to make a move to shift the power from that alliance while there were still a lot of numbers to do so.  So I disagree that she was being egotistical or that she deserved to be blindsided, she tried to make a smart strategic move which can't be said for the rest of the "favorites", but alas it didn't work out.

Right, I know all this. It just seemed like going along with Phillip to his face and then voting her way seemed a smarter strategic move, at least temporarily. That would have been a better power shift to blindside Phillip by going against his vote and having 5 other people doing the same thing. Her biggest mistake was going to Dawn: that is where she was riding on a bit of a power high and not feeling Dawn out first before jumping right in with her plan. At least, that is how I saw it. :)
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 10, 2013, 10:39:49 PM
Well, crazy episode.  I felt like I truly had no idea who was going home as they were going into tribal.  My default guess was Reynold and that he wouldn't play his idol, but it turned out that the lone Reynold vote was actually by someone who was supposed to be voting with him.

The whole Malcolm/Reynold HII thing ... I think it was a pointless move by Malcolm.  I mean, yes, if he thought he was in danger then he was able to save himself by keeping his own HII and using someone else's, and that in itself was a brilliant move.  But given that he abandoned his original plan and ultimately it didn't accomplish anything, I think it just reeked of desperation and I think only makes him more of a target to the others, and he is already in the minority.  As for Reynold, yes it is always a dumb move to give away your HII, but it's not like he has any options to work with besides a glimmer of hope that Malcolm's plan actually worked.  So it was a bad move, but given the spot he was in I don't know that you could blame him.

Sidenote, how poorly designed was that reward challenge?  The "goalies" were a total non-factor, all you had to do was throw the ball high and over their head.  If you missed, it wasn't because it was blocked by the goalie, you just missed your throw.

Edit: Oh, and I'm really getting sick of Dawn.  While I appreciate that she isn't in full-on Lisa Welchel mode by using every confessional to make a drastic emotional life story/moral issue, it appears that she has yet another near emotional crying breakdown.  Plus her entire shtick on the show thus far has been doing nothing but going back to her alliance to spill all the details whenever anyone comes at her with an idea for a strategic move.  Not to say that isn't a bad strategy, but maybe come up with one of those moves yourself instead of just being a pawn. 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 17, 2013, 10:41:45 PM
Spectacular episode tonight.  Truly a classic.

Before I talk about the big move, I must say that it reminded me of a strategy that we had never seen on Survivor before that I have been telling people for years I would do if I was on the show.  If someone was definitely on the outside of the majority alliance and had a HII that no one knew about (like Malcolm tonight), and then that person won individual immunity and thus the vote was going to be extremely obvious on the other person on the bottom beside yourself, you give them your HII to play without anyone knowing, and the two of them then pick off whoever they want.  There have been very slight variations of this in the past but tonight was the closest thing we've seen to it.

So the move ... I think it's brilliant.  Yes, it ultimately only saves the three of them one more tribal, however, the alternative is to do nothing and let one of theirs get voted out (Eddie).  It was a very unselfish move of Malcolm (in comparison to a selfish move last week by taking Reynold's idol, even though that was an honest mistake) ... after all, he could have just kept both of his HIIs and automatically saved himself through two more tribal councils, plus his ability to win individual challenges and delay the time he has to use the idols.  Granted, he would be doing so working as one man vs. an entire tribe which history has shown to never, ever work.  What made it so great and entertaining was watching the alliance scramble and start whispering after the announcement that they would be voting for Phillip.  Also have to give credit to Erik for keeping a cool head amidst the scrambling and reminding them to still vote as planned as it would have been an even more epic move if they struck the fear into them and then actually didn't play the idols (which I predicted would happen before he brought it up). 

Another great thing about the move was the decision to wait until tribal to blindside everyone, because had they revealed the idol trickery and that Malcolm, Reynold and Eddie would all be safe before tribal to then let the scrambling begin, the logical (and very anticlimactic) decision from the alliance would have likely been to just vote out Sherry, who was an obvious pawn the alliance was just using as a vote.

Oh, and let's not forget the classic Survivor karma in Phillip choosing to sit out the challenge (how is it not an official Survivor rule that everyone must compete in individual immunity challenges, by the way?) and then getting blindsided.

Let's also not forget Eddie attempting the slam dunk with his ring at the challenge, missing, and then someone else casually putting their ring on while Eddie had done a celebratory leap into the water.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on April 17, 2013, 11:14:04 PM
I missed last week's episode (I was out of the country and didn't get a chance to see it before tonight)/

Tonight's episode was indeed truly an all-time classic. One thing Cyclone didn't mention was the weird, as in: VERY WEIRD, scene early on about Dawn losing her lower teeth and going bananas over it. That was truly bizarre.

When Malcolm found the HII, I thought for a second that he was just pretending and really was just making a move to show that he already had an HII. But no! It was another HII! Which led of course to the now classic TC where he shows up with 2 HIIs. Cyclone captures the rest of it quite nicely, and I don't have much to add, except this: I am really put off by how easy it is to find a new HII. I mean, it looks like it took only minutes for Malcolm to find it (with others also seemingly close to find it). So what it means is that at the start of the next episode, all of them will be scrambling to look for the next 2 HIIs, which should not be too much trouble.

I thought Phillip handled it all quite well at TC. He saw what could be coming, and simply said that he'd be fine with going out if that is what it took to flush out the HIIs.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 17, 2013, 11:47:46 PM
I am really put off by how easy it is to find a new HII. I mean, it looks like it took only minutes for Malcolm to find it (with others also seemingly close to find it). So what it means is that at the start of the next episode, all of them will be scrambling to look for the next 2 HIIs, which should not be too much trouble.


Yes, outside of obvious complaints like always bringing back returning players, the easy-to-find HIIs have been one of the biggest flaws in Survivor for several seasons now.  They gradually started getting easier and easier to find after being extremely hard to find when they were first introduced (such as being buried underground or on a separate island away from camp).  But I think what really put it over the top was the Russell Hantz era in which he was the first person to find an idol without a clue, and his entire strategy became just playing idols and then going and finding them very easily after they would be re-hidden.  A season later in Heroes vs. Villains it was idol-mania all over again where at one point Parvati had handed out two idols at the same tribal.  You would think that people finding idols without clues would encourage them to hide them better, but instead it just encouraged them to make them even easier to find because it creates drama and entertainment.  A real shame since the original concept of the HII brought a lot to the game and now it is just common for 6 of them to show up in one season.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: trixi on April 18, 2013, 09:05:46 PM
Just finished watching and that was quite an ending.  Glad Malcolm shared, and I do think this gives them a better position and more leverage.  I think Dawn is going to fall apart given the whole teeth situation. I must say, I really dislike Sherry and wish she'd be voted off.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on April 18, 2013, 11:29:45 PM
It's amazing Sherry is still around. She surely will be a goner soon, right?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on April 23, 2013, 11:51:28 AM
Just finished watching and that was quite an ending.  Glad Malcolm shared, and I do think this gives them a better position and more leverage.  I think Dawn is going to fall apart given the whole teeth situation. I must say, I really dislike Sherry and wish she'd be voted off.

This.

Oh man, what a tribal council. I was fairly jumping up and down when Malcolm hesitated on giving up his idol. And yay, no more Fillup. :D

#teamMalcolm all the way :D
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on April 25, 2013, 10:24:13 AM
Well, that was a bummer, though pretty obvious through the episode that would be the result. Should have voted off Cochran last week and Phillip this...oh well.

So, based on the timing of filming: would Malcolm know Dawn and Cochran?

I want to smack Sherri every time she gets that "know it all" smirk on her face. If she goes to the end, she will be the goat offered up for sacrifice.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on April 25, 2013, 11:13:12 AM
I didn't think it was a bummer as such. Malcolm was in trouble unless he could find the HII, and he knew it. He's had a great run, going back to winning last season, and I was glad to see he wasn't mean or resentful upon being voted off. "It's been fun" was his bottom line.

Based on the timing, Malcom may have known Dawn and Cochran from seeing them on TV, but Dawn and Cochran did not know Malcolm at all as he went straight from filming the previous season into this season.

I couldn't agree more about Sherry's "smirk". So irritating.

What was with Brenda at the food auction? She couldn't decide on this item or that item and then was unhappy she got outplayed each time, and in the very end she won a bid on something gross! Wow.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 25, 2013, 01:46:08 PM
euro is correct, no one knew Malcolm as the current season was filmed as last season was airing on TV, they usually film two seasons back to back.

I more or less agree that it was a comforting exit for Malcolm.  He came in with a tremendous disadvantage given that no one knew who he was and that was perhaps the only real physical threat of the "favorites" (you could make an argument for Erik as well, however he is also known as making one of the "dumbest moves ever").  I think he accomplished what he probably set out to do this season, attempt to make a memorable, game-changing move, after he played a pretty low key game his first time around (be it succesfully).  And even though the big movie didn't ultimately help him get further in the game, it did successfully rid us of Phillip of which I am eterenally grateful, and just imagine how bleak this season would look overall if it wasn't for the move with the idols last week.  I do think he probably really regrets not just looking for the HII despite Andrea being there, however, although my guess is that he assumed that if he started digging for it, Andrea would bring her whole alliance over to look for it as well which would have put him at a 6:1 disadvantage. 

The worst part is that it makes next week extremely predictable.  One of Reynold or Eddie will almost surely be voted off, although I predict that maybe when only one is left we might see a different move made.  My guess is that Reynold will be the first target given that Eddie hasn't showed to do much strategically and that Reynold has a past of finding idols.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 25, 2013, 01:47:08 PM
He's had a great run, going back to winning last season

Just to be clear, Denise was the winner last season, Malcolm was fourth.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on April 25, 2013, 02:05:58 PM
He's had a great run, going back to winning last season

Just to be clear, Denise was the winner last season, Malcolm was fourth.
Oops, I remembered that wrong.

Just to come back on why Malcolm was not looking for the HII while Andrea was there. I don't understand that, to be honest. Without a HII, Malcolm was quasi-certainly toast. And in fact he was. What did he have to lose with looking for the HII? Nothing! Andrea being there or not wouldn't have made any difference. Neither would it, had the entire Andrea-alliance been there.

Not to pummel a dead horse, but whether you liked him or not (and Cyclone clearly doesn't), Philippe provided a certain level of liveliness and/or entertainment. This season has already been lacking in that department. If Philippe had been a goner even sooner, it would've made this season even less watch-worthy.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 25, 2013, 03:38:01 PM
Not to pummel a dead horse, but whether you liked him or not (and Cyclone clearly doesn't), Philippe provided a certain level of liveliness and/or entertainment. This season has already been lacking in that department. If Philippe had been a goner even sooner, it would've made this season even less watch-worthy.

Cyclone clearly doesn't indeed, I disagree 110%.  Of course, if someone like yourself finds Phillip really entertaining, that's exactly what CBS wants, the gimmick of this whole season was that most of the "favorites" who were brought back were the big zany characters who just want all the camera time they can get.  But I literally think the exact opposite, you say the season would have been less watch-worthy without Phillip, I immensely enjoyed the last episode without Phillip and would have been totally more entertained without him earlier on.  I don't find Phillip's shtick entertaining at all.  I don't need several confessionals an episode of him giving people dumb "nicknames" or trying to use philosophical quotes to describe mundane things in the game.  And yes, I know what you're thinking ... "maybe he was the only one doing anything interesting and everyone else was just boring and not giving them anything entertaining".  I would have much taken hearing from someone like Brenda or Erik, no matter how mundane they may have been, than have them be completely silent the whole season while we keep getting Phillip giving people nicknames and talking about an alliance called "Stealth R Us".

That's just me, I feel like the insistence on casting "characters" is a huge cancer to the show.  I personally never want any returning players to ever come back.  The narratives are too similar with the advantage returning players have over new players, and to me seasons are always way more interesting when kept pure to having all new people just like was originally intended.  I am getting sick of people like Phillip being rewarded for playing the game poorly but acting like a crazy lunatic and then being pretty much guaranteed a spot to return in a future season.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on April 25, 2013, 11:36:30 PM
The beauty of having crazy fellas like Phillip on the show is similar to watching those contestants on American Idol who truly, totally believe they are awesome singers, while in reality they are terrible. You see my point? Phillip is a never-ending train wreck, and you can't stop watching it.

That said, I am not necessarily in favor of returning players either, and I am just interested in seeing an enjoyable season, which this current one really isn't all that much. It's barely keeping my attention, to be honest.

Completely aside from all that, this might amuse you: I have seen all of Survivor's seasons front to back, EXCEPT season 1. So recently, I ordered the used DVD set of Season 1 for literally next to nothing from Amazon, and I will be watching it when this season is over. Of course I know who won and am aware of some of the major story lines of that season, but that isn't really the point. I am really looking forward to watching this, to see how the characters find their way into the then brand new game. 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on April 26, 2013, 02:40:41 PM
Completely aside from all that, this might amuse you: I have seen all of Survivor's seasons front to back, EXCEPT season 1. So recently, I ordered the used DVD set of Season 1 for literally next to nothing from Amazon, and I will be watching it when this season is over.

That's awesome ... Borneo is still one of my favorite seasons, I think it holds up as one of the very best even without the nostalgia angle of it being the first season.  I think it's truly the most "authentic" cast, even more so than the rest of the older seasons right after it, as it truly looks like 16 people who got up off their couch and applied for the show, very little eye candy.  Of course, I love Richard Hatch's game, and Greg and Colleen are great characters ... a shame they chose to distance themselves from the show and never returned later on.  Greg Buis in particular is a true spectacle, he was truly years ahead of his time for playing the "cameras are rolling 24/7 so I'm going to make it entertaining" card.  Report back here what you think of the season.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on April 30, 2013, 03:26:58 PM
When I said "bummer" regarding Malcolm, I was thinking how much I will miss him. ;) I thought he played a great game and was extremely gracious. I also wonder why he didn't look for the HII with Andrea there because the week before, they were all looking in the same place and he found it (the second one). So, oh well.

I am not sorry Phillip is gone. He was SO irritating. No more Phillip's or Russell's nephew or anyone crazy please. If we have returning players, I want normal ones. People that add strategy and play smartly. I wonder how different this season would have been had we had two different returning players instead.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on May 01, 2013, 09:45:11 AM
thoughts so far:
phillip, as annoying as he was, has the best game. no one else comes close. the favs are still playing phil's strategy. malcolm and the fans tried, but it was either too late/early. no numbers to help them out.

great tribals the last few episodes! two HII's in one tribal plus the won immunity was unprecedented. unfortunately, the big move didn't change the game, but did eliminate phillip. i thought for sure someone would jump ship, at least sherri, who could've moved from 7th to 4th. that was the best tribal in a long time. malcolm's team should've pointed out all the alliance throwing around andrea's name. she'll be the first fav eliminated.

sherri is worthless. i predict she'll be the goat going to the final.

the fan v fav format needs to be over. the favs have way too much of an advantage. i'm also not that interested in returning players - my only caveat being, maybe, an all-star season.

cochrane has at least done something via winning challenges. few of the others have done anything. shame that the best players, by strategy phillip, start/challenges - malcolm/reynolds have been or will be eliminated shortly. i'll be struggling to root for someone who deserves to win after they've all ridden the phillip strategy to the end.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on May 01, 2013, 01:05:51 PM
phillip, as annoying as he was, has the best game. no one else comes close.

i'll be struggling to root for someone who deserves to win after they've all ridden the phillip strategy to the end.

Can't say I really agree with the Phillip praise at all. I can see why someone would think he was playing a good game based on the way editing crammed him down our throats leading up to his big blind side, but here's the way I saw his game: created a majority alliance of the returnees, good move, albeit an obvious one. He then played an atrocious social game, playing the pompous leader card of trying to rule over the alliance with an iron fist, to the point where his own alliance didn't take him seriously with all of the dumb nicknames and whatnot, and it was actually the likes of Cochran and Dawn in control, as they made the decisions whether to vote with Phillip and keep stroking his ego or do something different. His cockiness and poor social game is ultimately what got him idol'ed out. The fact that they often did vote with Phillip isn't really a testament to his game, they would have done the same thing without him, playing it by the book by voting as an alliance. Really, it's the Russell Hantz argument. Not that I'm comparing them as players, but if someone is able to advance themselves deep into the game by playing cutthroat while simultaneously playing a horrible social game, they're ultimately playing for second place, and I don't consider that a good game. One rule that has never changed in Survivor and never will is that the jury won't vote for someone they don't like, social game is critical. Bitter juries who are just upset they were outplayed are a different story, but no one who is outwardly insular and insufferable to be around will gain jury votes at the end. The best players, even ones who present themselves as a villainous schemer, can save their arrogance for the cameras and confessionals while actually gaining the trust of everyone they're playing with or have the foresight to sit next to someone even more hated at the end.

As for who is left, I was rooting against the guy coming in because of his awful move last time, but Cochran has been good. Not great, but good. If he wins at least one more challenge I think he's unbeatable in the finals, already being likeable with the underdog story and having the unlikely immunity wins on his resume. Even the "three amigos" of Malcolm/Reynold/Eddie who were against him seem to like him. The reason I say he needs to win one more is that, look at the two challenges he won so far. One was the gross food eating challenge, which was impressive but anyone could have won. And the second he won after buying an advantage to it at the food auction. So as I see it he still hasn't cleanly won a "regular" challenge so to speak, and if he doesn't win any more from here on I don't know how memorable those two will be. 

By the way, tonight's episode will feature two tribal councils. This is surely an idea to try to get rid of both Reynold and Eddie in one episode as to not make it extremely predictable next week, however that also means two challenges with gives them a 2/8 and then 1/7 chance of winning ... we'll see.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on May 02, 2013, 08:26:00 PM
perhaps i should've said phillip has the best strategy so far, and no one up to the first blindside had bothered to think/act outside the stealth r us mindset. clearly, phillip had no chance to win at the end; he's a loathsome character and i don't want to see his type brought back. i agree with most of what cyclone thinks, expect that he set the strategy in motion and no one thought to act on their own, except for malcolm - he was the only one to try to make any type of move at the merge, and it cost him, unfortunately.

edie's got the underdog card, they were right getting rid of andrea, taking edie to the end is stupid. they, to keep the favs chance of winning it all they must get rid of him next tribal. and andrea gone while holding an idol was priceless.

i've got two interests left:  hoping edie makes it to the end and has a chance of winning, and seeing if the 5 remaining favs can stay solvent to get rid of edie.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on May 02, 2013, 09:37:23 PM
Winning immunity, finding a HII and then getting voted out in the same episode. Pretty epic fall from grace for Andrea there.  I kind of predicted that if Reynold went out before Eddie, Eddie might be able to make some inroads as he appeared to be the more likeable and least threatening of the two. Plus, despite his physical prowess, he hasn't showed to be much competition at all in the challenges (and while jumping off of the endurance challenge for donuts appears inexcusably stupid, if he knew he couldn't outlast the 120lb girls, it probably also showed the others that this guy isn't serious about the game and he might be kept around longer). I don't think he'll make the finals because I think Cochran has indicated he would be afraid to have a new player there to beat a returnee, but if he did, I still don't know if could pull it off. He would obviously get votes from Malcolm and Reynold, but I don't know if anyone else would really take him seriously.

I think Cochran and Dawn will make the finals, but I have no idea about the third. Brenda appears to be the most dangerous (she really came out of nowhere as a power player after being so invisible the whole season) and I would think they will cut her off next. Erik is a challenge threat that could win the next couple challenges to make the F3, but I don't know how seriously the jury would take him as he has been so passive and boring. Dawn can play the sympathy, mom figure card, but ultimately I don't see the jury rewarding her game of either having emotional breakdowns or revealing info back to her alliance any time someone on the outside came to her with an idea. All that being said, I suppose it would make logical sense for Cochran and Dawn to take Sherri to the F3, who is the goat amongst goats. It will just depend if the other three winning immunities throws a wrench into that plan.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on May 02, 2013, 11:01:49 PM
I hated to see Andrea go, and not just for being eye-candy. She was an engaged player throughout, much more so than the first time she played. But she got out-smarted and out-played in this particular episode. I was glad to see she took it well. No angry stuff, just "no, you guys!" Classy, I thought.

No idea what will happen next and I've warmed up to this season finally.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on May 03, 2013, 08:35:32 AM
I also think Sherry is the "goat amongst goats" which I find hilarious. At this point, the only person I am really rooting for is Cochran. I liked Dawn in her first season appearance but she has worn me out the same way Lisa wore me out last season. Too wishy washy and emotional.

I knew Reynold would go but was sad all the same. He and Malcolm were some of my faves (and not just for the "eye candy"). I disagree about Phillip's great game. I think he was on the same level as Hantz: just plain crazy. He thought he was as good as Boston Rob and all I could think, every time he brought up BR, that Rob was probably at home smirking, and probably not flattered. The only people with real winnable strategy, at least in my mind, have been: Reynold, Malcolm, Cochran, and Andrea. I mean, I think Dawn also has(d) a strategy but it is going to cost her I think with her sanity.

Still can't predict the final 3, except maybe Sherry as one of them due the fact nobody will vote for her. Reynold constantly impressed me with his attitude towards her in challenges and rewards because he was also nice (or gracious) and she did everything she could to be rude and stab him in the back and smirk. Ugh, she is awful.

The jury is quite the cast of characters though. Michael is happy-go-lucky (which I love), Philip the weirdo trying to look like Harry Potter with his specs, Malcolm the ladies man with that hair, and Reynold with that silly mustache.

Next week should be interesting. I didn't realize they were out of food again. Brenda and Erik are really going to struggle I think based on the previews.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on May 04, 2013, 12:07:10 AM
yeah, maybe phillip is lame. he just played boston rob's strategy as jen pointed out, and he had no chance to win at the end. in any event, i still think they're all lame as they rode phil's "boston rob's" strategy and didn't think to make a move for themselves.

depending upon the next vote, if the guys/gals are smart, they could set up a guy/gal final three. any chance of that happening?

 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on May 04, 2013, 11:36:23 AM
depending upon the next vote, if the guys/gals are smart, they could set up a guy/gal final three. any chance of that happening?

Not sure what you mean ... you just mean a F3 that includes at least one male and one female? 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on May 04, 2013, 05:49:41 PM
depending upon the next vote, if the guys/gals are smart, they could set up a guy/gal final three. any chance of that happening?

Not sure what you mean ... you just mean a F3 that includes at least one male and one female?

yeah, unclear there. made complete sense last night. how 'bout, either an all guy or all gal final three? do the sexes band up together to make sure a guy or gal wins?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on May 05, 2013, 03:38:44 PM
yeah, unclear there. made complete sense last night. how 'bout, either an all guy or all gal final three? do the sexes band up together to make sure a guy or gal wins?

I don't see it ... I don't think Cochran and Dawn will split up for starters, and in an all guy F3, I think Cochran has indicated that taking Eddie to the end could be suicide, even though I disagree. Still, he probably automatically gets two votes from Reynold and Malcolm so it would be a big risk. And in a girl F3, I think Dawn would similarly fear Brenda. The more I think about it the more I really predict we'll see a Cochran/Dawn/Sherri F3, Sherri being the goat, and Cochran winning.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on May 05, 2013, 11:24:43 PM
If Cochran makes it to the F3, it's hard to see him not winning. He's a likeable guy, hasn't upset anyone, and he's played the game as it's supposed to be played. Winning a couple of immunity challenges (which he couldn't have the last time around) will make him a safe choice on top of all that.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on May 08, 2013, 11:30:57 PM
great episode tonight!

-- Probst tearing up at the "loved ones" reunion, his first time in 26 seasons

-- Brenda giving up the extended reunion (after winning the challenge with her dad) to the other 4 tribe members

-- Dawn going batty over that (she had been selected by Brenda to come along for the extended reunion)

-- Brenda allowing Dawn to win the immunity challenge, being sure that Eddie was going to get voted off

-- Cochran playing the game and convincing Dawn and Sherri to vote off Brenda in a blindside

-- BEST OF ALL: Brenda's reaction after being blindsided, wow, just wow. You just can't help feel for her. Can't wait to see her comments to the F3 at TC next week.

It's pretty clear now that barring a last minute blindside of Cochran, the F3 will be Cochran, Dawn, and Sherri, and that Cochran will win

I'm out of town on Sunday so I will have to catch up when I'm back on Tuesday to see how it all plays out (on the CBS website)
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on May 09, 2013, 09:03:10 AM
I just wish the Brenda blindside had been more of a blindside to us the viewers. I predicted it the whole episode when they made it look way too obvious to actually be Eddie, and especially right after the challenge when Brenda got all kinds of airtime with the "everything is absolutely perfect and lined up for me unless something possibly goes wrong" stuff.

I really, really dislike Dawn. It's not even so much her as a player, but something about her personality and shtick on the show really rubs me the wrong way. I have no problem with the way she plays up the naive, sweet mother figure card while simultaneously playing a cutthroat game behind people's backs, but the way she goes about it almost seems a little too natural, like the looks she gives people at tribal after they have been blindsided with no contempt, like Brenda last night after the whole using her as comfort during the whole meltdown thing. And yet another near-hysterical cry session and emotional breakdown, which gives her about 5 on the season. I get that the family visit is very emotional, don't get me wrong. But whenever people get too crazy and bitter about it and I can't help but think about how this is ultimately a month-long game for a million dollars and how selfish that seems. She just comes off really selfish to me, in a way that transcends just her strategy on the show.

Anyway, yeah, the Cochran/Dawn/Goat F3 prediction is still pretty well in tact. For the sake of the finale being interesting, I hope that Erik or Eddie win at least one immunity along the way to force an obtuse decision. The challenges have been more endurance-based lately which have favored the smaller, lighter girls but I could definitely see either of them winning one. Well, maybe not Eddie, who is a young alpha male type who hasn't even came close to winning any.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on May 10, 2013, 06:45:49 PM
yeah, dawn is a hateful person, and she's so good at hiding it, it takes too long to figure it out. she goes bananas over the loved one dilemma, and i was happy she got screwed, then the "just let me win immunity" and talking brenda into tanking the challenge, using brenda as moral support, then tossing her aside. selfish, selfish, selfish. and coming across like that in a game where you have to be selfish to succeed tells her character. while i thought she had a chance to win, now she has no chance. brenda will dish on them at ponderosa. expect a huge emotional scene if she makes the final three during brenda's question.

although sherri's been annoying, if she makes the proper speech about not being physical enough to compete at challenges and having to rely on a social game, might sway enough of the jury. she's a dark horse. agree that it cochran's game to lose.

and yes, it seems that the cochran/dawn/sherri triad can run the table to the final three.

the previews imply a medical emergency removes one of the five. wonder who gets medivac'd out?

Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on May 11, 2013, 12:43:55 AM

the previews imply a medical emergency removes one of the five. wonder who gets medivac'd out?
good point, I forgot about that....
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on May 13, 2013, 01:41:01 AM
A predictable finale, but a satisfying one. I was delighted that Dawn (who I displayed my dislike for in my last post) actually came up with the goose egg with 0 votes. I expected her to get about 2, however it was a giveaway that Cochran had swept when they showed someone showing that they voted for Cochran, but they didn't show any votes for anyone else. They usually at least show one of each person who gets a vote to make it look like it will be competitive. By the way, Cochran's universal vote was only the third time a winner completely swept the jury, after Earl in Fiji and J.T. in Tocantins.

Sherri taking the heat at tribal was hilarious. It's always funny when someone who is a total goat is delusional enough to start saying before the final tribal council that they actually did so with an elaborate plan and that they would be able to sway the jury. Instead Sherri's speech was among the worst in Survivor history. She couldn't even come up with one. And then telling Erik off ... great jury management there.

Overall this season probably ranks slightly below average for me. It wasn't bad, and these days just being not bad are a big deal considering how awful some recent modern seasons have been. The whole concept, despite that it turned out better than I expected, was just horrible. Having another fans vs. favorites was bad enough because the favorites have such an advantage, and the casting was absolutely abysmal and gimmicky. Plus outside of possibly Reynold, the casting for the fans was almost unanimously awful. Even though I came into the season rooting against Cochran for his awful move last time, he did play a great game and I was glad we at least got a satisfying winner.

Okay, now the hardcore Survivor nerd in me has some criticisms about the reunion show ...

- What was up with only the jury being there while Probst was asking questions while the rest of the cast sat together in the crowd? That's the first time that happened. Not that it really matters, but there was a time when Probst would be sure to ask almost every single castmember at least one question at the reunions. Now they don't even have half of them on the stage in favor of focusing on the same two or three. Even Sherri, Eddie and Erik, the 3rd 4th and 5th placers never even got a question, let alone hearing from someone like Francesca being voted out first twice.

- While like I said I thought Cochran was a great player and winner, Probst's gushing over him and his "story" at the reunion went a little too far to me. It's almost like you'd think a nerdy-looking guy with social anxieties was actually someone with a physical or mental disability with the way they played up the "undercard success story" angle. Yes he was certainly an underdog who overcame obstacles but he isn't the only person out there who lacks social skills or isn't super athletic. And he was getting to play for a second time against new people in which he was able to align with someone like Dawn who he had previously played with.

- Even though it was totally random and ended up rather awkwardly, the biggest highlight at the reunion for me was the throwback to the first season, Borneo, where they actually had Rudy there. When they first showed Rudy, I was honestly a little surprised that he was still alive. I told my girlfriend, "given that Borneo aired in 2000, he had to already be in his 70s on the show." And it turns out he was actually 85 now. He looked amazing for 85, looked the exact same as he did 13 years ago. Of course, it ended awkwardly when they had Richard Hatch satellite in with a clip playing on an incident between the two from the first season to which Rudy showed that he was still homophobic.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on May 13, 2013, 09:51:59 AM
Oh, and if you want to know what they're doing for next season (which is called "Survivor: Blood vs. Water" that they teased at the reunion show), look here (don't read the URL if you don't want to know): http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_27/2013_Apr_08_returnees-families (http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_27/2013_Apr_08_returnees-families)

I wish I could just say it, but I think we've had people here complain that things like that or announcing returning players before CBS does constitutes as spoilers, while I think most of us just agree that posting literal boot orders are what constitutes as a spoiler.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on May 13, 2013, 11:41:07 AM
Oh, and if you want to know what they're doing for next season (which is called "Survivor: Blood vs. Water" that they teased at the reunion show), look here (don't read the URL if you don't want to know): http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_27/2013_Apr_08_returnees-families (http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_27/2013_Apr_08_returnees-families)

I wish I could just say it, but I think we've had people here complain that things like that or announcing returning players before CBS does constitutes as spoilers, while I think most of us just agree that posting literal boot orders are what constitutes as a spoiler.

SPOILER ALERT:
digging around that site yeilded this nugget too:
http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_27/2013_May_08_cagayan-seasons-27-28 (http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_27/2013_May_08_cagayan-seasons-27-28)
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on May 13, 2013, 03:34:29 PM
Another update: check out the first post on that website (realityblurred.com) and they have the suspected cast list. (*Spoilers if you don't want to know the new cast, though I'm not naming them by name*) --------- There are a couple bright spots, like casting someone from all the way back to Borneo who has never returned before, and also a previous winner that I never thought I'd see return. Also someone from the second season, Australia. But overall, like this past season, it is still a total mess of random picks and I think some are rather bad. Such as someone returning for a fourth time who I think just about everyone has seen enough of at this point. Also there is a former Big Brother winner on, as their corresponding "family" (their gf/bf) was a former Survivor contestant.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on May 13, 2013, 09:44:06 PM
anyone notice the lack of brandon hantz at the final? and not even talking to the pre-jury players? so the navy seal could bust out "queer" five times on national tv? no corrine? no discussion on the medivac'd players? i assume their all ok? nice plug for boston rob's book instead of talking to the pre-jury cast?

and all tv, new rule: no using live twittering in your show. i won't ever care what random dude has to say about your show, so don't televise it. what a waste of airtime.

a satisfying, if uneventful final. cochran wins, by a shutout. it seems being emotional like dawn is a liability to the jury. seemed like a few wanted to vote for dawn, but just couldn't. i'm not sure if i liked brenda calling out dawns teeth like that, but dawn did deserve it. but, i don't really think dawn's a bad person in real life. i imagine that i'd be a basketcase if i went through what they go through. but we watch for the entertainment.

oh erik. why go after sherri? you got a beatdown. by someone with less chance than you of winning. at that point, sherri's fantasy world had crashed into reality. she knew she had no chance to win and didn't want to be bitched at by someone whom she had beat. jury management was not a concern by then. i can respect that.

it's kinda odd to me that playing a easily beatable final three member (not quite goat, who annoy everyone) probably won't be rewarded. sherri didn't seem to aggravate too many jury members and could've stated the strategy of "i cant compete physically, so i have to outwit by being viewed as beatable." i wonder if anyone could pull that off? eh, probably not, as the jury has always rewarded "playing" the game as more worthy than flying under the radar.  even though, she only said a couple of sentences at the reunion.

probst has a fetish with the returning players. it needs to stop. bring in new players. and no more hantz's. ever. i might just quit watching if any of them ever return.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on May 13, 2013, 10:10:46 PM
anyone notice the lack of brandon hantz at the final? and not even talking to the pre-jury players? so the navy seal could bust out "queer" five times on national tv? no corrine? no discussion on the medivac'd players? i assume their all ok? nice plug for boston rob's book instead of talking to the pre-jury cast?

Did you see my post? Yeah, I talked about it ... the reunion was particularly disjointed and lackluster. As I said, not only did they ignore every single pre-jury boot by not even having them sit on the stage, but they didn't even talk to the 3rd, 4th and 5th place finishers (Sherri, Eddie and Erik). That had to have been the first time someone who actually made the finals (Sherri) didn't even get a single question from Probst. Not that that really mattered, she was boring and a non-factor ... I was more surprised at the lack of Erik getting to speak about his mystery medevac, or Corrine, or like I said before, how about what Francesca had to say about being voted off first twice now. And, it wasn't even like the usual suspects like Phillip and Malcolm ate up a ton of time, it was more the dumb stuff like Probst going into the audience for dumb cameos. As for why Brandon wasn't there, it was because he was banned from the finale because Russell threatened Phillip. Here's the article: http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_caramoan/2013_May_10_brandon-banned-finale (http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_caramoan/2013_May_10_brandon-banned-finale)

it's kinda odd to me that playing a easily beatable final three member (not quite goat, who annoy everyone) probably won't be rewarded. sherri didn't seem to aggravate too many jury members and could've stated the strategy of "i cant compete physically, so i have to outwit by being viewed as beatable."

In order to pull that off you need to have way more going for you than Sherri did. And I would disagree in saying that a goat has to be the type to play a poor social game and annoy people ... there have been plenty of runner-up goats who have played fine social games but they're just there because they floated to the end. As you said, you do have to do something. Sherri did not. She was used by a pawn for a vote (by the Phillip alliance) as soon as they merged. She never had a plan. It was just, "oh, the majority alliance embraced me, I'll just let this carry out and accept third place rather than go out seventh or eighth." That was it. She also clearly wasn't particularly likeable (i.e. the social game), as seen with the jury. It was one thing for Eddie and Reynold to dislike her like they did all along, but even someone like Phillip acknowledged how bad she was, and he was the one who brought her into the alliance. Same with Erik going after her, though I agree with you that it was in poor taste to pile on considering he played the exact same game she did. Also in order for someone of that ilk to win, you have to sit next to someone else at the end even more dislikeable than you are. Case in point, when the blonde coattail rider Natalie beat Russell Hantz. In this case, she was going up against a likeable, solid player in Cochran. No chance whatsoever, and don't buy that she had any kind of strategy. If you can't even come up with a jury speech you know you did something wrong.

Completely agree with you regarding dumping the social media interaction and the anti-returning player mentality. It's pretty clear that the latter is pretty much going to be the de facto formula from now, and actually already has been for a while now. I hate it but can never give up on the show already being 26 seasons in and I haven't missed a single episode. It will probably take something like someone coming back for a fifth time or casting an all-out celebrity cast that would push me over the edge. In the meantime I'll just keep complaining about how gimmicky it has gotten with Burnett and Probst wanting to create stars and characters in a gimmicky fashion rather than actually value the game itself. Yeah, someone like Boston Rob is going to eventually win if you give him four opportunities, the fourth of which he is playing against an all new cast.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on May 13, 2013, 11:10:00 PM
OK so I missed the final episode and thought I would watch it when I got back home, but guess what, I just couldn't muster the time or energy to do so. Glad to see that Cochran won, as that was my prediction, but other than that I am ready to move on to the next season. Didn't read any of the possible spoilers that Cyclone posted about that.

Bottom line, this past season was okay for me, not great, but enjoyable enough that I'll be back for next season.

And I'll be watching the very first season on DVD sometime in the next weeks/months (the only season I did not watch as it happened).
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on May 15, 2013, 12:13:44 PM
Did you see my post? Yeah, I talked about it ... the reunion was particularly disjointed and lackluster.  As for why Brandon wasn't there, it was because he was banned from the finale because Russell threatened Phillip. Here's the article: http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_caramoan/2013_May_10_brandon-banned-finale (http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_caramoan/2013_May_10_brandon-banned-finale)

In order to pull that off you need to have way more going for you than Sherri did. And I would disagree in saying that a goat has to be the type to play a poor social game and annoy people ... there have been plenty of runner-up goats who have played fine social games but they're just there because they floated to the end. As you said, you do have to do something. Sherri did not. She was used by a pawn for a vote (by the Phillip alliance) as soon as they merged. She never had a plan. It was just, "oh, the majority alliance embraced me, I'll just let this carry out and accept third place rather than go out seventh or eighth." That was it. She also clearly wasn't particularly likeable (i.e. the social game), as seen with the jury. It was one thing for Eddie and Reynold to dislike her like they did all along, but even someone like Phillip acknowledged how bad she was, and he was the one who brought her into the alliance. Same with Erik going after her, though I agree with you that it was in poor taste to pile on considering he played the exact same game she did. Also in order for someone of that ilk to win, you have to sit next to someone else at the end even more dislikeable than you are. Case in point, when the blonde coattail rider Natalie beat Russell Hantz. In this case, she was going up against a likeable, solid player in Cochran. No chance whatsoever, and don't buy that she had any kind of strategy. If you can't even come up with a jury speech you know you did something wrong.

Completely agree with you regarding dumping the social media interaction and the anti-returning player mentality. It's pretty clear that the latter is pretty much going to be the de facto formula from now, and actually already has been for a while now. I hate it but can never give up on the show already being 26 seasons in and I haven't missed a single episode. It will probably take something like someone coming back for a fifth time or casting an all-out celebrity cast that would push me over the edge. In the meantime I'll just keep complaining about how gimmicky it has gotten with Burnett and Probst wanting to create stars and characters in a gimmicky fashion rather than actually value the game itself. Yeah, someone like Boston Rob is going to eventually win if you give him four opportunities, the fourth of which he is playing against an all new cast.

yep. read yousr and adding my own thoughts. overall, the reunion was quite lame. they need to focus more on the cast, not random gimmicky stuff. i think we agree about that.

if they ever let another hantz on the show, they deserve what they get. and i hope i won't watch. they've really ruined what could've been a long association with the show..... unless that was scripted..... *conspiracy anyone?*

agreed the "coattail" player beat russell, due to his inability to think a social game doesn't matter. i doubt his strategy will ever be repeated. boston rob has the strategy to win, not finish third. so a "coattail" player would have little chance at winning. my point that i think we both agree on, coattail riding can get you to the final, but rarely get you a win. the jury wants the person who wins (and beat them) to have done something, as you pointed out. hmmm. perhaps that's it. hard to vote for someone who beat you by basically doing nothing.

agreed. the returning player fetish is well established. how many seasons out of the last few had returning players? all of them? when was the last all new player show?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on May 15, 2013, 01:34:42 PM
I basically agree with everything previously posted. I was happy Cochran won and Malcolm was fan favorite. I am not sure what would make the perfect reunion show. I think less recaps, no previous winners and allowing for everyone to have a question. Even if that means that the show is longer than an hour. For a show this popular, just seems like they rush through it. Of course, the whole reality show genre seems to rush the ending. You wait all season to find out the winner and they are revealed in the last minute. My biggest beef is with So You Think You Can Dance...they are practically rolling the credits as they announce the winner. :( I felt that the Amazing Race this year did a better job with some post-race interviews with a few of the big players and it felt like a more satisfying closure.

I was surfing around and found this interview (http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/05/13/survivor-caramoan-erik-reunion/2/) with Erik. Apparently none of the players were happy with the new reunion show format who invited family and spent a lot of money to be there. Erik claims Boston Rob and the girl with braces had more airtime than he did. And apparently Brandon wasn't allowed to come (Probst said that he and Brandon felt it was for the best) yet Russell was all over twitter claiming it was because Phillip was scared and no one said Russell couldn't come and when he did, he would kick Phillip's ass.  :o Also, in that interview, Erik said that he really wouldn't want to come back, partially because he feels like someone in the editing room did him in this season. Which you have to wonder if that is why we felt like he was such a dark horse. Or he gave bad interviews? I saw one on CBS from the episode when he found the HII and gave it to Andrea and he was worried that once again he gave an HII to a pretty girl.

Here is an interview (http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/05/13/john-cochran-survivor-caramoan/) with Cochran talking about his season as well as his new job.

One last thing, I think my favorite moments at that last tribal council was the reactions on Malcolm and Reynold's faces pretty much anytime Sherri opened her mouth. She was so clueless about the irony of her being a goat. And I am not sure if Dawn is a nice person off the island or not but she left a really bad taste in my mouth. She really didn't come across as genuine (to me) on the reunion show and while I get that apologizing on live tv to someone who is in Miami would be awkward, still, it was just not convincing to me that she was sorry for hurting Brenda's feelings.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on May 15, 2013, 03:11:07 PM
how many seasons out of the last few had returning players? all of them? when was the last all new player show?

Going back to the Heroes vs. Villains season which is probably where the returning player mentality started, only two of the last seven seasons were all new casts (One World and Nicaragua). Keep in mind that those two seasons were both awful because of the casting, so that probably helped contribute to their need to just keep bringing people back and losing faith in new casts. Of course, that is entirely their fault because the casting looked terrible from day one. Now rather than trying to create new "stars" they seem content with just trying to bring back second tier-type players after the Hantz's, Boston Robs, Parvatis etc. with last season and this next one to try to create new ones.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on May 26, 2013, 10:59:55 PM
For fellow Cincinnatians, there is a charity event this Friday at the Buffalo Wild Wings location on Beechmont Ave. which will feature the following ex-Survivors doing an autograph signing:

Joel Klug: Survivor: Borneo
Rodger Bingham: Survivor: The Australian Outback
Mitchell Olson: Survivor: The Australian Outback
JoAnna Ward: Survivor: Amazon
Chris Daugherty: Winner of Survivor: Vanuatu
Billy Garcia: Survivor: Cook Islands
Marcus Lehman: Survivor: Gabon
Sandy Burgin: Survivor: Tocantins
Zane Knight: Survivor: Philippines
Allie Pohevitz: Survivor: Caramoan
Laura Alexander: Survivor: Caramoan
Matt Bischoff: Survivor: Caramoan

(and a few Amazing Race and Big Brother people as well)
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on June 03, 2013, 11:38:19 PM
And I'll be watching the very first season on DVD sometime in the next weeks/months (the only season I did not watch as it happened).
I've got the first 4 episodes in the bag. What an eye-opener this has been. Totally different from the later seasons. It's more focused on the physical survivor aspects, and hardly any strategizing among the players. It is starting up just a little bit, although at tonight's (4th episode) TC there clearly wasn't any plan among the tribe who to vote out (it turned out to be Ramona). The players were so much more... civilized!

It's amazing too to see Jeff Probst, more as a "reporter" than an active interpellant at TC as we've become used to now. The early TCs are almost laughable now, not just for the outright primitive set, but the fact that they are so short! Hardly any given-and-take or Q&A, just getting to the vote mainly.

I keep waiting for the foot to drop on Richard, whom I expected to be totally unlikeable but is anything but. Very nice guy so far. And the only one to think of strategy, even in the littlest of ways.

It's so funny to see Jeff introduce the basic premise at every episode, which of course at that time was unknown, but now so familiar. And the use of music is much more subdued.

Anyhoo, settling in for the remaining episodes soon. Looking forward to it.

Cyclone, feel free to post comments, but don't spoil the plot. I do know that Richard ended up winning, (and at one point is going to start walking around naked), but that's it. All the rest is new to me.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on June 05, 2013, 01:23:01 AM
Glad you're enjoying it ... I just may have to bust out my copy of Borneo to watch with my girlfriend who's never seen it over the Summer. As I've said before, it is still one of my favorite seasons regardless of the fact that I simply have a ton of nostalgia for it. The cast is superb with Hatch, Rudy, Greg, Colleen, Dr. Sean w/ his alphabet voting strategy, etc.

Two things you hit on that I think are important are the focus on the actual survival element where it is mostly completely ignored these days and Jeff Probst's switch from being just simply the host to his current role as executive producer in which he is right there making the decisions with Mark Burnett. To the former, strategy outweights the survival aspect in the modern game by about a 10:1 ratio. To think that things like building a shelter used to be an integral part of the show while they are mainly an afterthought now. After Probst became an executive producer, his role changed significantly and he essentially makes himself an entity in the game himself with purposely stirring drama, having his own personal biases and preferences to certain players, etc.

As with all seasons, Borneo gets a lot better as it goes along. Good thing you got through the beginnings with the "This is what we will call a Tribal Council ..." stuff, which might be hard for some people who have only seen newer seasons. There are many great moments to come.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on June 05, 2013, 11:16:03 PM
8 episodes into it now... the tribes have merged. The overall lack of strategizing is mind-boggling. You can see Richard cruising along with his semi-alliance, the only one that is in play and of course dominating. Tonight's (8th) episode featured the (now classic) videos from family back home, and the real eye-opener was how un-emotional it was for the most part for the contestants.

Also interesting is that Jeff at TC never says at the deciding vote "the xth member voted off is...", he simply reads the votes and the person voted off simply needs to realize his/her time has come.

6 more episodes to come, but I can already tell that, for me, the later seasons, when stategizing became the more focal point, are the more enjoyable. Of course I say this when in my mind Season 2 (Australian Outback) is still my favorite as it was the first full Survivor season I watched as it happened. I've never seen that season again since 2001, and if I were to watch it again, there is a good chance I'd now scratch my head as to why I loved it so much.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on June 05, 2013, 11:34:58 PM
You already surpassed one of my favorite moments of the season ... when Gervase, who could barely swim, beat Kelly in the rowing challenge when Kelly's occupation is a whitewater rafting guide. And it looks like episode 8 is the one where Greg was voted out and gave his infamous fake crying "noooo!" when the votes were announced.

Here's a funny, little known tidbit about Greg ... Mark Burnett wrote in a book he published about the experience of producing the first season that a few of the castmembers (led by Greg and Colleen) kept voting for Jeff Probst at one of the tribal councils. They had to have a big production meeting where the cast was scolded for it being against the rules and saying they needed to take it more seriously. Greg was really ahead of his time, the guy was amazing and truly treated the experience like no one else out there. Even though this was the very first time reality TV existed, he recognized that he was going to do whatever he wanted in front of the constant cameras rolling rather than playing it straightlaced.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on June 08, 2013, 05:45:26 PM
Well I finished watching Season 1. Several random thoughts:

-- For some reason I thought that it would be Rudy and Rich in the final 2. When it turns out that Kelly wins the last immunity challenge, I wad dumbstruck that she chose to take Rich with her to the F2, instead of Rudy. I was surprised how poor a player Rudy turned out to be. Completely worthless really, except for the "loyalty" factor. But why oh why did Kelly not take Rudy with her? That would've guaranteed the win for her.

-- Rich turned out to be a big surprise for me. I had expected to find some conniving, mean-spirited, arrogant son of a bitch. Instead, this was a sharp, civil, funny, likeable guy who clearly had thought through what it would take, and then did it. The fact that he stepped off of the last immunity challege tooks guts. Even more amazing of course is the trouble he got into after winning Survivor (eventually going to jail for tax fraud/evasion, as he "forgot" to declare the $1 mill to the IRA... wow, just wow).

-- Kelly was a big surprise too. Winning 5 immunity challenges in a row at the end of the game is amazing. Not sure that has ever been done again since then. I think she blew it at the final TC with her opening statement, which was weak, unfocused and confusing. Rich's opening statement was brilliant and in my mind closed the deal for him.

-- Loved Colleen, America's Sweetheart", as Brian Gumble called her on the (very entertaining) Reunion Show. The fact that she was 23 then (and really looked more like 15 or 16), and that she in meantime now is 36 or 37 just blows the mind.

All in all, that was a pleasant way of seeing a whole season in quick succession. Can't help but wonder what became of these people since then. Can you believe it's been 13 years? Also, watching the episodes without ads is just beautiful. I'll probably check to see if I can get Season 2 from the library.

Cyclone, are you aware of this Survivor fan-site? It's pretty hilarious.  http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/directory

(Just ordered Season 2 from the library. Love our library system.)

Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: trixi on June 08, 2013, 06:15:34 PM
We (the library) have all released seasons on DVD, I believe.   :)
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on June 10, 2013, 12:26:39 AM
Well I finished watching Season 1. Several random thoughts:

Yeah, Rudy wasn't much of a player. He was a character. He's probably most well known for his bizarre yet endearing relationship with Hatch, with the infamous "we're friends ... not in a homosexual way, that's for sure" line. Another hilarious Rudy moment was that (now very dated-looking) challenge where they had to run through the woods with the handheld video cameras giving answers to various questions and he kept answering "I don't know" to every single question.

As far as wondering what the cast is up to ... Hatch is basically the only one left who is still active in the Survivor community. He still appears on Rob Cesternino's Survivor podcast every year (including just about a month ago) since getting out of jail, he is still extremely interesting to hear talk about the game as well as just anything in general. Jenna Lewis got caught up in a sex tape scandal in the mid-2000s. She released a real sextape and tried pretending like she was a victim, when it came out that her and her husband were selling the video for a profit. Sadly, some of the best characters like Greg and Colleen pretty much disappeared from the Survivor world immediately and never came back.

Oh, and one more thing about the cast, I won't say who in case you don't want to know, but someone from Borneo who has never returned for any other season is returning for the upcoming season which is filming right now. If you want to see, here's the link to the cast (as well as the "gimmick" of the season which is called Blood vs. Water): http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_blood_vs_water/2013_May_13_cast

And yeah, I am aware of the "SurvivorSucks" forum. I used to browse it as long as 5-6 years ago when it was the main Survivor fansite on the net, nowadays the exhausting snark and vitriol is a bit much for me. Still, the people there are extremely knowledgeable superfans who can ramble off the exact boot orders of every season in a matter of seconds. I mean, look at the quantity of posts ... it has to be one the largest/most active on the entire internet. Anyway, be careful if you start browsing there ... what the site is known for is spoilers. They gained notoriety for trying to spoil casts and boot orders all the way back to the very early seasons before CBS even aired the first episode. Even though there is one subforum designated for "spoilers" they will sometimes be spread across the entire forum and you can get spoiled on a season really easily. Just another reason I stopped visiting there entirely.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on June 11, 2013, 11:19:34 PM
I looked around on that website for a bit and realized quickly that I could stumble upon spoilers if I really wanted to, so I went away.

Meanwhile, I'm now 2 episodes into Season 2 ("Australian Outback"), which is the first season I watched as it happened, and already so many classic moments (Kel's supposed "beef jerky", Kimmie's big mouth (literally and figuratively), Rodger's jump off the cliff, and of course Amber! and Elizabeth!). Thankfully I've forgotten a lot of the day-to-day details so I'm really enjoying it.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on June 24, 2013, 11:10:25 PM
Finished Season 2, 12 years after seeing it unfold on TV, and it validates my long-held view that this is the best Survivor season ever. The main reason? This was the best cast group of Survivors, ever. Just about every single one was interesting in one way or another. You may not have liked each one of them, but they had character. Plus it still was the early innocent days where "surviving" actually mattered quite a bit. I had forgotten that Season 2 played out over 42 days, instead of the usual 39 (and maybe the only season to go that long?). I had forgotten that Keith (one of those less likeable characters) went that deep into the game (F3). It blows the mind now that Colby choose to take Tina into the F2 instead of Keith, as he surely woud've won. But Colby is a stand-up guy and he knew what he was doing, and he clearly was not upset that Tina won.

I already ordered CD1 of the first "All-stars" survivor season from the library, and that season is the only other one I'm interested in seeing again playing out.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on June 30, 2013, 09:16:22 PM
For whatever reason, Australia isn't one of my favorites of the early seasons. I mean, I don't dislike it. I agree that the cast was good, I just didn't particularly have strong feelings for any of them as players. I was expecting to appreciate it a lot more when I re-watched it on DVD 5-6 years ago after not seeing it since it originally aired but it just doesn't do it for me. As you said, Colby taking Tina should be discussed in the "worst moves in Survivor" history. Surprisingly, Jeff Varner is still active in the Survivor community.

Euro, I think you should revisit some of the other early seasons that don't have the reputations of seasons 1-2, which you have probably forgotten about completely. Seasons 3-4 are some of the worst of the early seasons, however S6 (The Amazon) and S9 (Vanuatu) are truly fantastic seasons and both are available on DVD. While Thailand (S5) isn't the greatest season overall, I'd also recommend it because I think the winner Brian Heidik still remains the greatest player of all-time.

You said you're watching All-Stars ... that, to me, is a perfect example of why I find it hard to take the successes/failures of returning players seriously. Instead, as the name applies, it's more just like an actual professional sports All-Star game. Fun to watch and see how it plays out but ultimately I only judge how they perform their original time out. Case in point with All-Stars, if anyone thinks lesser of players like Hatch, Tina or Rob Cesternino because they went out early that's crazy.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on July 01, 2013, 12:07:54 AM
I am deep into the All-Stars season and am enjoying it greatly. You can only marvel at the way Boston Rob is playing it, for one. He surely is the best Survivor player ever.

But I will take you up on your suggestion to check out on S6 and S9 (assuming I can get it from the library).

Strange you would suggest that Brian Heidik is "the greatest player of all time" as that name doesn't even ring a bell with me right now.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on July 03, 2013, 11:51:22 PM
Finished the All-Stars season. Enjoyed it tremendously from start to finish. Enjoyed all of the players/characters. Amber was a deserving winner. She was smart, lucky, likeable, and simply good, including at challenges. That is a winning combination. She was definitely not just Boston Rob's hanger-on/eventual gf.

Boston Rob was equally great, and I stand by my opinion that he is the best Survivor player ever.

The reunion show, where Boston Rob proposed to Amber, remains memorable. We've never seen anything like it, before or since. They were the real deal. Did you know they now have 3 daughters? Wow.

Loved the discussion at the reunion show about the whole Rob/Lex thing about saving Amber after the tribal switch and then Lex being voted off.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on July 04, 2013, 12:06:19 AM
You're clearly a much bigger Boston Rob than I but I never really thought much of All-Stars.

Some of that is just personal bias, as two of my all-time favorite players went out pre-merge for being threats (Hatch and Cesternino). I also felt like they missed a lot of great opportunities with casting. I'll give you that she did more than her reputation, but why was Amber even there? And Shii-Ann? From Thailand, that should have been Heidik's spot (longstanding rumor has it that he demanded more money for his appearance than CBS was willing to offer, not sure if that's true though). Despite their popularity I'm also no fan of Rupert or Jenna Lewis. Would have loved to see several people from Borneo take her place ... Colleen, Greg, Gervase just to name a few. I will say that I was glad Hatch made it interesting for the short time he was there, with the Sue "I've been violated!" incident and infamous "I've been bamboozled!" line.

Here's something to keep in mind about Boston Rob (not trying to change your opinion of him, just saying). In playing four times, he actually went out pre-merge twice. And in his original season (which for reasons I said in my last post is how I judge someone the most as a player), he went out pre-merge. Now, I'll give you that his win in Redemption Island was the second most dominant win ever. I say that Brian Heidik was better because IMO he dominated just as much in his first time out, where as Rob did so playing for a fourth time and against a cast of all new players besides himself. Like I said, I think it would be completely rewarding to re-watch seasons like The Amazon and Vanuatu.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on September 19, 2013, 08:51:58 AM
new season started last night!

blood v water; with family/loved ones. i thought the gimmick would suck, but they've played it correctly. got plenty of drama on the first episode usually reserved for post merge shows.

i'm not sure if i'll tire of the gimmick or not.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on September 19, 2013, 09:20:56 AM
Got home late last night due to a business dinner. Hope to catch it on the CBS website this weekend. But I'm not very hopeful. The premise sucks as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Jen on September 20, 2013, 09:34:02 AM
new season started last night!

blood v water; with family/loved ones. i thought the gimmick would suck, but they've played it correctly. got plenty of drama on the first episode usually reserved for post merge shows.

i'm not sure if i'll tire of the gimmick or not.

The gimmick did work better than I thought it would as well. Though, ugh, tired of Colton and Kat so hopefully they'll be gone sooner rather than later. Also, I already miss Malcolm. :D
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: cyclone on September 20, 2013, 01:03:05 PM
Don't really post here much anymore but I had to chime in on Survivor which has been what, like a 6-7 year tradition dating back to the WOXY board, shockingly.

- Loath the "Blood vs. Water" twist, but that's mainly because I'm vehemently against returning players. The twist itself is okay, but I think there would have been a lot of ways to improve the game just by improving certain minor aspects rather than going with a big new format. Although there is one positive caveat, which is that they at least got creative with the returning players and it isn't just the usual suspects. For example I never thought we'd see someone from Borneo who has never returned before (Borneo), or someone like Aras. Granted, the rest is pretty bad. Colton is obviously terrible, Rupert returning for a 4th time is a total joke, and there were some real desperation picks for the women (I get Monica for the NFL husband, but a total dud like Candace returning a third time? Laura from Samoa? Very weak).

- Speaking of Aras, Probst said in a cast preview that he was the "most boring winner of all-time." One of the more boring male winners, sure, but in no way more boring than Vecepia, Natalie, Bob, or Sandra (her first time).

- Oh, I also really dislike Redemption Island.

- Candace and John made the right decision to send Candace to RI. FYI Candace was a last-minute replacement when RC from two seasons ago dropped out, which is probably why she got voted out immediately. As a married couple, it doesn't matter which one wins the $1M, and so it's better for John to be in the game. Candace would have been an easy early boot for the returning players, John actually seemingly has a good chance of making a deep run. So, good decision.

- Rupert and wife made the wrong decision. Yeah, Rupert chose chivalry and Probst practically coaxed him into taking her place. But it's an awful game move. Again, when it's a married couple, either winning the game is fine. So, what chance did Rupert's wife ever have in the game? She was significantly older than everyone else in the loved ones tribe and would have likely been a challenge casualty and thus an extremely attractive early boot sacrifice. Meanwhile, Rupert could have at the very least been chummy with the returning players and maybe have been used as a pawn to go deep or something. Instead, in the coming weeks Rupert's wife actually likely gets voted out and then faces Rupert in RI.

- Tyson is the only returning player I'm rooting for. Loved him in his original season and think he can make a deep run in a game like this format. Like his girlfriend Rachel too.

- Vytas (ex-junkie brother of Aras) is probably my favorite loved one.

- I saw Hayden's season of Big Brother. There is no reason to think he won't do very well on Survivor except for being culpable for a blindside just for being an alpha male type. He should breeze to the merge for being such a challenge asset, and is strategic without letting it be shown.

- Not much to say about someone who gets booted because her uncle on the other tribe had a pathetic performance in the challenge and then decided to showboat when it was over. I think Katie (Tina's son) would have been the smarter boot, but probably doesn't matter much.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on September 25, 2013, 11:19:29 PM
I saw the first episode on the CBS website tonight just before the new episode came on. I knew generally that this season had something to do with "loved ones" but had no idea that it would involve returning, yet again, 10 players from previous seasons. ENOUGH ALREADY! My gosh, has it come down to this for Survivor? I mean, I love Rupert as much as anyone, but do I really want him to play again? No.

Then the twists came, fast and furious. The biggest one being that, apparently, the "loved ones" can trade places just about at any time. Really? It removes the game from its original premise yet even farther. Hey, why not being able to switch tribes at any time anyone wants to? It's just getting to be ridiculous.

I watched tonight's episode and was incredibly turned off by Colton's high drama.

I will be out of the country next week, and don't know that I will have the time/energy/interest to catch up again. This is coming from an all-time Survivor fan that I am. Which is to say, if they've lost my interest, I wouldn't be surprised this year (meaning through next Spring) is the last for Survivor, at least on CBS.

I might be wrong, and have the urge in 2 weeks to see what is going on, but I dunno.

Just feeling disappointed in what was once my favorite TV show. Too much gimmicks, too many returning players, too far stretched from the original premise.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on October 04, 2013, 06:37:47 PM
*spoilers*

thank god colton is gone. what a weenbag.

whether we like the the twist, it's sure getting the drama they want. redemption island is more drama filled than tc nowdays. not sure that i like it, manipulating loved ones to get drama seems cheap. perhaps they should not allow for any type of communiciation during redemption challenges?

culpepper is a short sighted tool. dumping a strategy that was working for the 5 guys to split their alliance before it was needed is the type of over thinking the alpha type players routinely do. he's now lost the trust of the other 3 guys and the 2 girls certainly won't trust him. that being said, i might keep him around and ride him for some time before sending him off.

and as usual, the returning players have an advantage, as they've won all the challenges. that part is fairly predictable, it's the r.i. challenges that add the drama.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on October 10, 2013, 10:56:18 AM
and culpepper over thinking costs him in one the oddest t.c. in some time.

the guy who said i'm writing down brad's name, with the two girls, writing down brads guaranteed a tie, then someone flipped on the second vote.

it does seem that the drama at r.i. is toning itself down. the cast must've gotten used to it.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on March 09, 2014, 10:58:17 PM
As much as I didn't like last season (and in fact gave up on it at some point, my first time ever for Survivor), I am enjoying the new season, even with the stupid 3 Beauty-Brain-Brawn tribe divides (obviously that will go away at the eventual merge). At least the game is sorta back to normal, no returning past players, no All-Stars, no castaway island, etc. And Probst is still Probst. Without him, Survivor would be dead.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on March 10, 2014, 09:35:44 AM
kinda surprising the "brain" tribe is so lame at intellectual challenges, and the brawn has done so well at the puzzle challenges.

thankfully, as euro states, no returning players.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on March 12, 2014, 11:38:01 PM
another solid episode tonight... I'm really warming up to this season.

As the sneak preview showed, the tribes will be mixed up next week... should be interesting!
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on April 03, 2014, 02:05:28 PM
one hell of a great episode last night... smug "I'm the one deciding this game" Sarah got completely blindsided at tribal council  8)

At least she wasn't bitter about it in the confessional afterwards.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Zafer Kaya on April 03, 2014, 02:28:06 PM
When Survivor's idea of a "brain" is David Samson, I can see why that would lead to huge problems with that group right there.

He's a complete idiot who sucks at his job and everyone hates him and laughs at him.  As far as I can tell his real-world survival strategy is marrying an MLB team owner's daughter.  That doesn't really work in Survivor.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Chris on June 26, 2014, 11:25:31 PM
'Survivor' Contestant Caleb Bankston Killed In Train Accident
Yahoo News | By Zach Seemayer | 12:14 am June 25 2014

Survivor: Blood vs. Water contestant Caleb Bankston died Tuesday in a freak railroad accident.

Bankston, who worked at the Alabama Warrior Railway in Birmingham, was on a train when it derailed, according to People. Beyond that, not much is known about the accident.

Bankston, 26, was on Survivor in 2013 along with his fiance Colton Cumbie. The couple ended the game in ninth place.

"Caleb was an amazing man and friend," contestant Aras Baskauskas told People. "One of the sweetest and most sincere humans I've ever come across. I am gutted by his loss. My thoughts and prayers are with his family."

News of Bankston's death has spread across the web, and has shaken the Survivor community, with a number of former contestants tweeting condolences.

Bankston is the third Survivor contestant to die since the show first premiered. Survivor: Palau contestant Jenn Lyon passed away in 2010 of breast cancer, and in 2013, BB Andersen died of brain cancer at age 77.

TMZ reports

"Survivor" star Caleb Bankston was crushed to death by 2 rail cars when the train on which he was riding derailed ... TMZ has learned.

Bankston -- a contestant on "Survivor: Blood vs. Water" last year -- was checking on something in the small space between two of the cars when the train went off the tracks. Cops say the rear car slammed into the forward car ... with Bankston caught helplessly in between.

Since this is an industrial accident, Birmingham PD says the Federal Railroad Administration and the railway company’s safety officer will conduct separate investigations.

So far, it is unknown what caused the derailment. We're told there was one other worker on the train at the time of the crash ... he was not injured.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on May 21, 2015, 12:14:17 PM
Hell of a final yesterday to conclude Season 30. In fact, an excellent season all around.

I'm disappointed that once again for the next season they are recycling contestants from the past. Not "all-stars" or "fan favorites" but "second chance" contestants, whatever that means. But I'm sure I'll be tuning in again...
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: trixi on May 21, 2015, 10:14:52 PM
I'm glad Mike won.  I haven't actually seen the last episode yet, but I did watch the aftershow.  I must say Rodney is quite the egotist.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on September 25, 2015, 07:56:47 PM
new season has begun!

recycled cast, which i know annoys at least euro. but the premiere was entertaining. a few new twists a well.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on September 26, 2015, 12:48:56 AM
I was actually quite surprised how entertaining the first episode was... looking forward to more!
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: notoriouspbake on June 21, 2018, 12:15:13 AM
wow. been awhile - at least three seasons since we last posted here.

anyone watch the last season? a good season and the gimmick of skull island to "reverse the curse" worked for me, but i think they should've used it more.

wendell didn't have a strong of a game as dom, but did have the deciding vote with laurel; and a tie at final TC? wow!
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 21, 2018, 12:03:45 PM
Survivor is still a thing?
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on June 21, 2018, 11:33:10 PM
I am a die-hard fan of Survivor, and watch every season religiously.

Back in the day (on the WOXY boards) there was a very healthy forum discussion about it. Not so much these days <sigh>

Not that it matters. I still keep watching, and love it. Looking forward to the upcoming new season in September.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on October 25, 2018, 06:30:00 PM
Anyone watching the current season?

Holy cow, the island was hit again with by a cyclone, the second time this season. The three tribes had to be evacuated for safety reasons, and it's a good thing they did. When they returned to the island (we weren't told how many days later), the tribes' respective camps were utterly and completely annihilated and destroyed down to the ground.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: trixi on October 25, 2018, 06:31:42 PM
I'm watching, but have only seen the first 2 episodes thus far.  So that was the first cyclone. 
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on October 25, 2018, 10:36:16 PM
Even though this is taking place on some tropical island, the weather must be brutal. Apart from the cyclones, another point of contention turned out to be having a jacket to stay warm during the nights...

Trixi, I hope you have On Demand so you can catch up, it's a great season so far.
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: c-lando on October 26, 2018, 08:38:03 AM
Uh, is Mike White on SURVIVOR? I caught a bleed over from what I guess was the credits of the show and it looked like Mike White is on the show?!?!
Oh, wait. He was on THE AMAZING RACE before, right?
Does Mike White have a "second career" as a reality show contestant?!?!?!
Title: Re: Survivor
Post by: euro60 on October 26, 2018, 01:53:01 PM
Uh, is Mike White on SURVIVOR? I caught a bleed over from what I guess was the credits of the show and it looked like Mike White is on the show?!?!
Oh, wait. He was on THE AMAZING RACE before, right?
Does Mike White have a "second career" as a reality show contestant?!?!?!
Yes.
Yes.
And yes.