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Title: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: euro60 on January 30, 2012, 11:27:59 PM
So the (internet) super-hyped Lana Del Rey, coming of her so-so SNL appearance, releases her album tomorrow (Tuesday). My 22 yr. daughter gave me a heads up a few months ago that this was the real deal. I was mildly interested, but intruiged enough to pick up the album at Shake It. Final verdict: 2 thumbs up, and then some. Dark, biting, brooding, yet playful and funny at times. This is a GREAT album. Forget about all the hype and whether this was or wasn't a carefully Intercope-label manufactured artist. The music speaks for itself.

Anyone else heard it?

(http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2011/12/lana-del-rey-born-to-die-album-cover.jpg)
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Zafer Kaya on January 31, 2012, 12:18:40 AM
Yeah, I've heard it.  It blow chunks, including Video Games.

She's not without talent, but the ambition way, way overmatches the actual current skills.  The lyrics are hilariously awful.  The music is pretty drab as well.  Her voice is pretty good, but apparently she is sadly unable to reproduce it live.  

But having trashed her, I will say that I think she take too much crap from as a reaction to her being overhyped.  If this were an unheralded first-effort indie release I think people would be more inclined to say that there's some potential here.  Either that or she could have tried something a little lighter and less ambitious.  This kind of stuff you have to really own it.  She needs to bone up on her songwriting skills A LOT and work on having a stronger lyrical presence.  Maybe she actually has to suffer a bit, that might help.  Anything to make it sound more personal instead of something that sounds like an overly earnest high schooler trying to hard to be Hope Sandoval or Cat Power.

Major problem is she's already 25, so she's a little too old to be a prospect.  Still, she's got some tools.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Poncho on January 31, 2012, 12:27:38 AM
I heard the hype.  I watched the SNL bits.  Wow, that was beyond what the word "horrid" can possibly take a stab at.  

I haven't listened to more just the "Video Games" song from the studio versions so far, but it was only marginally better.



ETA:

Here you go, if you must... but I'm not sure if she's singing a completely different set of songs than they are playing or if she's high or if she's making fun of anyone watching. 
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Currently, my best guess is that she's playing a role in a SciFi channel original film as a lounge singer from the future in a ripoff parody of Lisa Marie's character in Mars Attacks!
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Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 31, 2012, 08:02:36 AM
Based on the SNL performances I would never in a million years listen to her.  What god awful drek that was.  Even if it had been performed well it would still suck.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Butter on January 31, 2012, 08:03:25 AM
Forget about all the hype and whether this was or wasn't a carefully Intercope-label manufactured artist.

I could forget about this if the album were any good.  I've heard probably 5 songs off of it, and went from mild disinterest to hate on all 5 of them.

Quote from: ZK
The lyrics are hilariously awful.  

Major problem is she's already 25, so she's a little too old to be a prospect.  Still, she's got some tools.

"I will love you 'til the end of time/
Prob'ly for a million years"

Yes, the lyrics are awful.  This one in particular grates like nails on a chalkboard.

She is trying way too hard with her sort of weird "sex bomb" persona... and not spending enough time on musicianship.

I guess what I'm saying is, I don't need a 25 year old toolsy singer on my music bench who can't seem to put it together on the field.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: MissKitty on January 31, 2012, 09:10:31 AM
I thought Video Games was decent when I heard Mike play it on TBB about six months ago, but everything else I've heard is, as ZK said, hilariously awful. What'd she do, write those lyrics when she was in junior high?
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 31, 2012, 09:36:40 AM
What'd she do, write those lyrics when she was high?

Alternate wording...
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Poncho on January 31, 2012, 10:08:56 AM
The best part about the internet age for writers, poets, and singers is that the world is open to everyone.  All of those people that were stifled by "the man" and we would have never heard them in a million years are now accessible to us all.  This had led to some amazing art surfacing that never would have years ago.

The worst part about the internet age for us is that the vast majority of internet writers, poets, and singers are so, so, so, so bad that whatever dren they are putting out is better off hidden from the world forever.


I know this girl was manufactured, but she is modeled 100% after these types of people.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: MissKitty on January 31, 2012, 10:14:20 AM
Good call on the resemblance of Lisa Marie in Mars Attacks, Poncho. That is spot on!
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Jen on January 31, 2012, 12:38:17 PM
Steve Lamacq has been playing her for months. I have generally liked everything I have heard...not so much for the lyrics, but her voice. I saw her SNL performance and wondered why she would attempt to change her style when she is just starting to get traction, and not do a great job of it, but who knows? I think she could have potential but it is a shame about the hype machine. I think we would focus less on the negatives in that case. Anyway, just heard a new single on BBC 6 and apparently she refers to herself as a "gangsta Nancy Sinatra." Lammo followed that with "and we laugh every time we read that." He didn't say that in a mean voice, but matter-of-factly. Not sure if he is still mooning over her the same way as months ago. ;)
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: dirk on January 31, 2012, 12:49:24 PM
I actually like Video Games, but everything else I have heard sounds pretty much exactly like it.  She is definitely a one trick pony. 
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: c-lando on January 31, 2012, 12:55:32 PM
Good call on the resemblance of Lisa Marie in Mars Attacks, Poncho. That is spot on!
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Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: euro60 on January 31, 2012, 01:23:24 PM
I had not seen the SNL performances until last night. I had heard about it, how terrible it was, etc. So I started watching "Video Games", waiting for a train wreck to happen. I waited, and waited, and... there was no trainwreck? Then watched the "Blue Jeans" performance, and same thing...

Am I missing something? I'm not saying these were the best performances ever, but where is the trainwreck that everyone is talking about? If you know the songs, they sounded pretty much like it. What else did anyone expect? I just don't get it, I guess  ??? ::) :o
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Zafer Kaya on January 31, 2012, 01:28:24 PM
What happened to her on SNL is pretty simple.  

I don't know what you call this exactly because I'm not a singer, but your voice takes on different characteristics as you through your range.  Like on low notes the voice kinda goes through your chest, and then on high notes it goes through your head. So what you do is try to blend your different voices together.  I think this is done by singing through your head/chest and regular voice at once and just adding more head voice or chest voice as you go up or down.  

It's like shifting gears in a car.  You try to do it as smoothly as possible but almost everyone has some sticking point where sometimes for whatever reason you just always mis-shift.  Maybe you misjudge hills or your stick is just weird about going from 2nd to 3rd where sometimes like you feel like you can't find 3rd.

That's what happened to her.  When she went down for those low notes the complete character of her voice changed.  It wasn't so much that the pitch was off (although that also happened).  That completely threw her off.  All of a sudden she went from 0% chest voice to 100% chest voice when she was trying for 50/50 or something.  That sort of thing happens to everyone.

The thing that stands out about her is not how bad she is, but how remarkably amateurish she is.  If you find that you can't hit a note on a given day, you should have some way of making up for that performance.  Either you tell the guys like "Hey, I don't have it today can I get a little karaoke blend here."  Or "Yeah, give me a little more with the instruments so my voice isn't so much front and center."  Or you figure out some way of Dylan-mumbling your way through.  Or you flat out just lip-sync.

It's the same thing with her lyrics.  Most people write some really bad lyrics.  But then someone goes "Whoa dude, those two lines suck" and then you change them.  And/or you figure out how to write in a more abstract way or you take the focus off your lyrics entirely by writing groovy dance songs with lots of instrumentation.

To go back to the bad sports analogy, she's like Homer Bailey a few years ago.  She's got a good fastball, but it's not as good as she thinks it is.  And she has no contingency plan.  No one ever taught Homer Bailey how to pitch when he didn't have his best stuff, or when his best stuff wasn't as dominant as it was in AAA.  It's okay if you don't strike everyone out, or even if you walk people or give up singles.  The worst thing is when you rear back thinking your going to throw 97 mph and it comes out 91 mph.

But Homer Bailey has slowly started to put it together.  He just had to get shellacked for some of this stuff to finally register.  Maybe the same thing is happening to Lana Del Rey.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Predot on January 31, 2012, 02:10:04 PM
I had not seen the SNL performances until last night. I had heard about it, how terrible it was, etc. So I started watching "Video Games", waiting for a train wreck to happen. I waited, and waited, and... there was no trainwreck? Then watched the "Blue Jeans" performance, and same thing...

Am I missing something? I'm not saying these were the best performances ever, but where is the trainwreck that everyone is talking about? If you know the songs, they sounded pretty much like it. What else did anyone expect? I just don't get it, I guess  ??? ::) :o

Along those lines, I read repeatedly how great Robyn was when she was on SNL. And my reaction upon seeing her perform was that it was considerate of SNL to allow a special needs kid to be the musical guest.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Butter on January 31, 2012, 02:55:14 PM
No, that SNL is pretty horrible.  Maybe not like monumentally horrible.  But it's terrible.

Seems like people spend a lot of time on this (including on satellite radio, where the DJs seem to feel the need to defend her EVERY FUCKING TIME they play any of her songs).  I don't really obsess about it.  Just another artist I don't like and change when they come on.  Sorta like Bon Iver or the new Black Keys stuff.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: dirk on January 31, 2012, 03:23:05 PM
What stuck me more than how off she sounded (it wasn't bad per say, but it just sounded weird, and that is from someone who likes the song) was her lack of presence.  She looks like she doesn't want to be there and has no interest in actually connecting with the audience.  It's almost like she is trying to turn people off with her performance.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: euro60 on January 31, 2012, 10:23:24 PM
What stuck me more than how off she sounded (it wasn't bad per say, but it just sounded weird, and that is from someone who likes the song) was her lack of presence.  She looks like she doesn't want to be there and has no interest in actually connecting with the audience.  It's almost like she is trying to turn people off with her performance.
well different people see different things I guess. "Trying to turn people off"? I didn't get any impression like that when I watched the SNL clips on YouTube.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Jen on February 01, 2012, 08:51:35 AM
I have heard it said she gets nervous performing in public. Whether that is the case or not I don't know but she wouldn't be the first artist to have stage fright. I think I read this after watching her performance on Jools Holland last year. Anyway, not making excuses but there could very well be a good reason why she wasn't up to par.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Poncho on February 01, 2012, 06:24:16 PM
but there could very well be a good reason why she wasn't up to par.

At this point, I'm pretty sure it is because she sucks... but that's just me.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: euro60 on February 02, 2012, 11:38:11 AM
Apparently "Born To Die" is likely/on track to debut at No. 2 on the Billboard album chart next week according to Billboard (http://www.billboard.com/#/news/lana-del-rey-aiming-for-no-2-debut-on-billboard-1006061952.story) (of course Adele is still at No. 1).

I have to say I am really surprised by this. This is not a "mainstream" commercial album at any level or in any aspect of it.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Zafer Kaya on February 02, 2012, 11:56:22 AM
How could an album possibly get any more commercial or mainstream than this? 

I don't say that like commercial or mainstream is a bad thing, but come on.  You think Interscope signs artists who they think can move 15,000 records and tour 1k venues?
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: mik on February 03, 2012, 02:10:26 PM
I like the 3 or 4 Lana Del Rey songs that I've heard. I don't think they are great but I do think they are pretty good. I heard the interview she did on sirius xmu a couple of weeks ago and thought she made some good points against those who feel she hasn't "suffered enough for her art yet"..........
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: dirk on February 03, 2012, 02:37:00 PM
I really don't understand the backlash about her being "fake".  Sure, she is basically playing a character, but from seeing and hearing her, that is exactly what I would expect.  It's not like she is out there claiming this is really who she is.  And I'm sure these people complaining about her playing a character would never do that about Alice Cooper or David Bowie or Freddy Mercury.  Rock and roll is a place where you can reinvent yourself.

And now that I have heard a few more songs off her CD, I really am not impressed.  I still like Video Games, but the couple other songs I have heard sound exactly like it.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Zafer Kaya on February 03, 2012, 04:00:24 PM
I think the complaints about her being fake have to do with her and perhaps Interscope's failure to market herself. 

Lady Gaga is totally fake.  Katy Perry is totally fake.  Ke$ha is totally fake.  Kanye West is 90% fake.  Same with Taylor Swift.  And no one cares.  Because people buy into their character. 

But I don't think a lot of people know what Lana Del Rey is.  What is the "gangsta Nancy Sinatra?"  I don't think she's gangsta at all, nor does she sound like Nancy Sinatra, nor is Nancy Sinatra necessarily someone I think is cool.  And she dresses sort of old Hollywood, which is neither gangsta or Sinatra. 

Some people buy her as some kind of unique amalgamation of all sorts stuff, which is what makers her cool.  And the other side see her as half-assing a bunch of stereotype/stropes together in a way that makes no sense.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 03, 2012, 04:06:48 PM
Lady Gaga is totally fake.  Katy Perry is totally fake.  Ke$ha is totally fake.  Kanye West is 90% fake.  Same with Taylor Swift.  And no one cares.  Because people buy into their character. 

Exactly, Garth Brooks is a prime example of a character that was sold very well... so well in fact that very few really got that it was fake.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: euro60 on February 04, 2012, 12:01:58 AM
How could an album possibly get any more commercial or mainstream than this? 

Maybe you are I are not in the same universe: "mainstream" or "commercial" for me would be Adele, Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Kesha, stuff like that. This is MILES away from it. I would equate this more to Fiona Apple-like, to be honest. A very narrow niche that might sell okay.

And by the way, it's not because Lana Del Rey's album is selling well (for now anyway) that this is "mainstream". I mean, Radiohead's "In Rainbow" and "Kid A" went to the top of Billboard, but would you call that "mainstream"? (Not that I am equating her to Radiohead, mind you.)
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Poncho on February 05, 2012, 12:30:05 PM
http://www.hulu.com/watch/326430/saturday-night-live-weekend-update-lana-del-rey#s-p1-sr-i2
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Butter on February 06, 2012, 08:26:05 AM
Maybe you are I are not in the same universe: "mainstream" or "commercial" for me would be Adele, Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Kesha, stuff like that. This is MILES away from it. I would equate this more to Fiona Apple-like, to be honest. A very narrow niche that might sell okay.

And by the way, it's not because Lana Del Rey's album is selling well (for now anyway) that this is "mainstream". I mean, Radiohead's "In Rainbow" and "Kid A" went to the top of Billboard, but would you call that "mainstream"? (Not that I am equating her to Radiohead, mind you.)

Fiona Apple?  Have you heard the song "Radio"?  Aside from the horrific lyrics, I don't think it gets much more "pop" than that.  You seem to be a pretty savvy music fan, euro.  I am surprised you are still clinging to this idea that this is indie rock somehow.

Now, if LDR comes out with her next album that has a paragraph for a title and is pretty aggressively antagonizing her audience, then maybe you've got something.  But somehow I don't see that happening.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Poncho on February 16, 2012, 10:35:33 AM
Another humorous comparison made by a friend of mine:

Is Lana Del Rey the attractive daughter of Vera de Milo?


He then proceeded to sing Video Games in Jim's Vera voice.  Actually, to be fair, he just "sang" random crap about sitting in a living room and said the words "pretty girl" & "video games" a few times.  That's about the same lyrical content.
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Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: euro60 on June 11, 2012, 11:11:25 PM
back from NY where last night my daughter and I saw Lana Del Rey in concert at the Irving Plaza (it's a small venue similar to say, the SGH). What an almost surreal experience that was. First off, our hotel was close to the venue and when we walked by the venue around 3 pm, people were already lined up! Second, thank goodness we got the VIP tix (which were only $20 more than regular tix). We got to skip the line and had a reserved section in the balcony (and we got a poster of that particular concert, which was cool too). Looking down, all I saw was people squished like sardines and there was no way I could've handled that. Then the show. Lana Del Rey played a 50 min. set that was exclusive to the "jazz-lounge" songs on her CD (think "Video Games"). The band was a pianist, 3 violins, and a guitar player but the sound mix was pretty bad so you couldn't hear the guitar for most of the time, so it was just piano and violins basically. But the crowd was such that all of the songs were pretty much singalongs. Sadly none of the more "trip-hop" songs of the album ("Off To The Races", "Radio", "Diet Mountain Dew") were played. I was a little let down, to be honest, but my daughter loved it. I still don't see how this can translate to a much larger audience, unless Lana live fleshes out to a fuller sound. But truth be told, we had a great time just being there. And Lana was quite the perfomer, nothing like the "deer in headlights" from the infamous SNL show in January. I have no idea if she's got anything left up her sleave but as I've said before, I think her "Born to Die" is a fabulous album, MILES away from mainstream stuff like say Beyonce or Katy Perry.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Poncho on June 18, 2012, 05:36:42 PM
Lana Del Rey played a 50 min. set

I suppose there is a silver lining to every black cloud after all!
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Poncho on July 30, 2012, 05:27:55 PM
I was innocently surfing for stuff that doesn't suck and stumbled into the cat fight of the week.


Courtney Love vs. Lana Del Rey

Seems as if Phoebe Buffay... I mean... Lana Del Rey has been singing "Heart-Shaped Box" live.  Courtney seems intent on reminding her 8,000 times that the song she's singing is, in fact, about The Vagina de Love.  The article had a link to the video.  Wow.  She's totally won me over.  I'm a huge fan now!  No, not really.  She still blows goats.

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Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: euro60 on November 21, 2012, 11:44:07 PM
Her recent ""Paradise" release isn't anywhere as good as BTD, making me wonder if she's got much left to give. Still love BTD, though.
Title: Re: Lana Del Rey - Born to Die
Post by: Zafer Kaya on November 22, 2012, 08:27:14 AM
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