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Title: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on June 12, 2013, 09:51:08 AM
It seems most of us own cats.

Instead of taking up the Book Thread or someplace else, let all your cat discussion take place here.

Do your cats wait at the door for you when you enter the house/apartment? Mine does - he hears the key rattling and he's at the door before I finish unlocking...it's adorable or crazy. Or both.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on June 12, 2013, 10:02:45 AM
Yay! A cat thread!

Murphy seems to know what time I am due home each workday. He is usually sitting at the front door, waiting. And as I am walking up the steps, he lets out a little chirp-meow to let CR know that I am home. So sweet!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on June 12, 2013, 10:04:28 AM
Great thread!

Living by myself, I cannot have a dog so I've had a cat for many years, in fact since my divorce almost 20 years ago. My current cat is only the second one over that stretch. My previous cat lived a long, long life, he was I believe 18 years old when he died of old age. I was devastated when he died.

My current cat's name is Mimic. He doesn't come to the door when I get home. But once he realizes I'm home he'll pretty much follow me around until I settle in and he'll sit on my lap then for a good while.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on June 12, 2013, 10:16:16 AM
Our cat waits at the door for us to hopefully leave it open that one extra second so he can run outside to glorious, sweet freedom.  Can't tell if he hates us or just really loves the outdoors.  But when he goes out there he tends to just stand under a bush or something, and the one time he was gone for hours, we found him because he was meowing under a car just 20 yards from our front porch.  Way to explore, dipshit.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on June 12, 2013, 10:36:11 AM
KITTIES!!!!!!

My cat, Linus, is either waiting by the door or in the front window when I get home from work. If he's in the window, he starts using his "Mama" meow as soon as he sees my car. Then it's at least 15 minutes of purring and chirping about his day before I can settle in to my routine (usually him "helping" me with my workout).
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on June 12, 2013, 10:46:43 AM
Both my cats wait at the door for me to come home from work, because they know it's feeding time.  I come in, and they meow and then start trotting hopefully towards the food dish. 

Both my cats are stereotypical cats.  But probably every cat is a stereotypical cat because it's not like we know them on anything other than basic behavioral levels.  I have the one active, chatty, smart, loves food, lots-of-quirks, always-getting-into-trouble cat.  And then the dumb, passive, lies-around-like-a-lump cat who has no personality whatsoever other than wanting to be petted constantly. 

All my friends who do not have cats love the crazy cat.  All my friends who have cats like the dumb cat.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on June 12, 2013, 11:19:56 AM
Meow!

Clearly I've needed this thread in my life. My two cats are Ozzie and Knox, and they are both behemoths, weighing in between 15-18 lbs. Neither are lap cats, which makes me a little sad, but both are emotionally needy fuzzbuckets. I got Knox because Oz was so lonely while I was at work. He'd cry for an hour after I got home each day, so I got him a pet and that shut him up-- except for whining about Knox.

Knox nearly killed Ella about a year ago-- tripped her as she was walking across the room. Oops.

Ozzie has taken to sleeping in the middle of the floor on his back. It's weird.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: luisterpaul on June 12, 2013, 11:30:06 AM
We have three cats: Luna, Mushka and Kolya.

Luna is getting old and doesn't venture far from her pillow by the heater in the bedroom. She'll hiss when you pick her up, purr while you're holding and scratching her, then hiss when you put her back down.

Mushka talks all the goddamn time. Sweet cat, but a bit of a pest, too. Tends to wolf down food and throw it up in another room. :/

Kolya is my buddy. He often follows me around like a dog, and even drools like one from time to time. Loves attention, but hates to be brushed, so inevitably gets mats in his long hair. He has diabetes, and is usually purring by the time I'm done giving him his shot.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on June 12, 2013, 12:41:31 PM
Kolya is my buddy. He often follows me around like a dog, and even drools like one from time to time.
Murphy is a big drooler. One of his many nicknames is "Greg Drully."
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on June 12, 2013, 12:56:15 PM
Mushka talks all the goddamn time. Sweet cat, but a bit of a pest, too. Tends to wolf down food and throw it up in another room. :/
Our cats should have a phone call sometime, then they can exhaust their talking and leave us all the hell along for a minute or so.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 12, 2013, 02:14:24 PM
My parents have cats.  My wife's eyes swell, itch and leak profusely whenever she is there.  Therefore, we do not have cats.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on June 12, 2013, 02:18:16 PM
So, this thread tells me it is time to give up and start a "how early do you eat dinner" thread.  Or a "what's your favorite brand of hearing aid battery" thread.

4 PM and I'm a Duracell man.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on June 12, 2013, 02:52:01 PM
So, this thread tells me it is time to give up and start a "how early do you eat dinner" thread.  Or a "what's your favorite brand of hearing aid battery" thread.

4 PM and I'm a Duracell man.

5:30 p.m. and WHAT DID YOU SAY?!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on June 12, 2013, 02:55:48 PM
We are all old? I don't know how talking about Cats makes us old, but if you say so... Wouldn't you rather we talk about this here than in some other thread?

Anyway, my cat drools when he sees me, too, so I'm glad to read that this is not unheard of. It's usually only a little bit so I don't really care and thus it's never been a concern.

My cat will only talk a little in the morning when he's waiting for me to feed him, but I'm hoping this doesn't become annoying. I liked it better when he was a silent cat. He does DEMAND my attention when I get home though so it might as well be the same thing.

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on June 12, 2013, 02:57:34 PM
5:30 p.m. and WHAT DID YOU SAY?!

I'm falling asleep in front of the local news by 5:30.  Whippersnappers.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: luisterpaul on June 12, 2013, 03:02:47 PM
Drooling can be a sign of mouth issues. My cat has bad teeth, for example. If you haven't already mention it to your vet next time you're there. Just to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on June 12, 2013, 03:55:34 PM
Oh, thanks. He only does it right when I get home or when I wake up and only for a moment or two. It's like he's so happy to see me that he can't contain himself.

I'll bring it up next time I'm at the Vet.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on June 12, 2013, 04:32:28 PM
I'll bring it up next time I'm at the Vet.

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Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on June 12, 2013, 04:51:39 PM
I had a cat that drooled when he purred. No mouth problems, just too stupid to do anything about it. But it doesn't hurt to ask!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on June 12, 2013, 06:57:27 PM
Murphy has had teeth extracted, and the doc says he drools because of the missing teeth. Usually he drools when he's getting lots of petting or belly rubs.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Atzend on June 12, 2013, 09:53:23 PM
If it weren't for the bipeds and canine, I'd probably qualify as crazy cat lady.  As of right now we have four. Anyone who's been to our house can attest that while they aren't attention whores they won't hide under the bed either. 

Blanche (part of our Golden Girl cats) is a beauty, a bitch and I tolerhate her. 
Mina has some sort of pschyosis and neurosis.  She's weird, but smart and can be sweet.
Barry (aka Bunny Boy) is a bobtail ginger sweetheart with falcon claws. He's a lap cat, but will climb your leg like a cliff to get there.
Betty Rose (aka Betty Sketti, The Beast, Batface Betty) is our big girl filled with chill.  If I had to pick a favorite it would probably be her.  The only attention she seeks is from the dog who is her BFF.  He's the only one that makes her purr.  She never seeks our attention (unless it involves catnip), but never hisses, scratches, bites, or shows any more resistance than walking away if approached. 

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on June 12, 2013, 10:11:56 PM
Betty Rose (aka Betty Sketti, The Beast, Batface Betty)

Somehow in all that I read it as "Beastie Betty" and started singing Beastie Boys songs.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on June 12, 2013, 10:36:44 PM
Twizzle and I play a game when I come home from work.  I've got a picture window in my bedroom that he sits in.  He sees me pull into the garage and waits for me there.  I wave to him and when he sees me move toward the door, he jumps down from the window and runs through the house to meet me at the door.  The game is to see if I can get the door open before he gets there.  At other times, he is always waiting for me at the door. 

And my last cat drooled all the time.  He had no dental issues at all, he just drooled when he was super happy and purring. 

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on June 12, 2013, 11:16:18 PM
My cat Mimic has no drooling issues, just throw-up issues. No matter what different kind of food I give him, every few days or so, he just throws up. In the beginning (I got Mimic 3 1/2 years ago from the shelter when he was about 2 yrs. old) I was kinda mad at him, but now, I realize he can't help it. It just happens. It's terror on my carpet, but every 6 months or so I have a professional carpet-cleaning crew come in and the carpet looks like new. Anyone else have a similar issue?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on June 13, 2013, 06:47:11 AM
Euro, one of my coworkers has a kitty with a similar problem. She was a stray/shelter cat and regularly eats her food too quickly then promptly throws it all up in the other room. For her, it's all psychological, she thinks she's got to eat all the food because someone might steal it. Maybe Mimic has a similar bent?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: luisterpaul on June 13, 2013, 07:09:48 AM
I have a cat that eats too fast and often throws up after. A couple things you can try:

- Put the food in a larger, flat dish. This spreads the food out so the cat is less likely to get as much with each bite. It forces them to only take a couple bits at a time.

- If you can, spread the feedings out over the course of the day: A little bit several times a day as opposed to all at once.

I haven't tried the first, but the second has helped a bit with my vomiting cat.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on June 13, 2013, 07:36:02 AM
Euro, one of my coworkers has a kitty with a similar problem. She was a stray/shelter cat and regularly eats her food too quickly then promptly throws it all up in the other room. For her, it's all psychological, she thinks she's got to eat all the food because someone might steal it. Maybe Mimic has a similar bent?
This. A friend took in a stray who would do this too. She would absolutely vacuum up her food as soon as it was placed in front of her, and within half an hour it would be all over the floor. And then she'd re-eat it. And sometimes vomit it up again. And re-eat it again. Ick.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on June 13, 2013, 09:47:33 AM
We are all old? I don't know how talking about Cats makes us old, but if you say so...

Have you ever seen a family buy a cute kitten for their small children as a present?  No, it's always a puppy.

Have you ever heard of "Crazy Old Dog Ladies"?  No, it's always Crazy Old Cat Ladies.

Cats are the pet of choice for old people.  I have one, so I'm not judging.  But it is irrefutable fact, so let's just all accept it and move on.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on June 13, 2013, 10:24:18 AM
I don't know about that. I can think of lots of counter examples. My g/f's 7 year old niece is getting a kitten. And there is a crazy old dog lady who sits on the bench of the park I walk by to-and-from the subway with her dog. I'm pretty sure she's greek, I'm pretty sure she's crazy, and I'm definitely sure she's old. And she's out there ALL THE TIME. Not so much in the winter, but she's out there with her dog (probably a golden retriever mix but I'm not sure of my dog breeds) almost any nice-ish day there is.

My sister got two cats as pets in her mid-twenties. She doesn't have any kids, but I don't think mid-twenties is old.

I don't know why you're being grumpy, but I'll get off your lawn now.
:P
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on June 13, 2013, 11:10:36 AM
Cats are the pet of choice for old people.  I have one, so I'm not judging.  But it is irrefutable fact, so let's just all accept it and move on.
Have you been getting enough fiber? You seem a bit bound up. But, then again, my bursitis is acting up and I missed my stories today so I'm a bit pissy.

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on June 13, 2013, 12:34:20 PM
Both my cats wait at the door for me to come home from work, because they know it's feeding time.  I come in, and they meow and then start trotting hopefully towards the food dish. 

word up.  can't even take my shoes off.  likewise when my cell phone alarm goes off.  both just hollering at me.  i tell them it's only one of many alarms and they leave me alone only to repeat the process. 

we got squishface from the cincinnati zoo.  he's terrified of strangers.  berny is outgoing and sits on my shoulders when i take him outside.  we want to toilet train them and get 'em leashes. 

we got fleas when maria was in the congo.  ever since then they've been able to cat-apult to great heights.  i blocked off the top of the fridge and they sleep atop the cabinets.  my hope is they both become really fat.  berny has a nice pooch. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: eyeball on June 13, 2013, 10:21:33 PM
oh cats. I said goodbye to powder after 14 glorious years 2 summers ago. I miss her.

that said: Ziggy, 12, likes to get outside. he lays about and then cries to come back in.

Cassie, 5 ish, likes the garage...they be mice in thar. she is fat...and its from mice. bitch. keeps bringing them to me. ugh.

they like food. they hang by the door adn then run to the bowls. you know..half empty so they must not have anything in them.   sigh. I've been a cat mom for 16 years.

now..if the kids would just leave the cats alone there would be fewer owies and crying around the house. but hey...live and learn kiddos.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on June 13, 2013, 11:02:28 PM
- If you can, spread the feedings out over the course of the day: A little bit several times a day as opposed to all at once.
Thanks for all the tips on dealing with cats that throw up.

This comment caught my attention. I always thought that, unlike dogs, cats do not need this treatment. In fact, I've never done it. I always put out (and refresh regularly) a full bowl of both food and water, and my current cat (or my previous cat) never ate everything in the bowl. Just a little bit, as they feel like it. It's just that Mimic still feels like throwing up, not all the time, just once in a while (maybe once a week or so). But that once in a while over the course of months of course takes its toll on the carpet.

The idea of not giving much or anything to eat to my cat while I am gone from the house makes me uncomfortable. Or to just give a few bits of cat food at the time.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on June 14, 2013, 01:02:01 AM
If your cat doesn't eat all the food at once, and isn't getting fat I'd just leave things the way they are.  A lot of cats tend eat worse if they don't have a constant food supply at hand because 1)  Sometimes they get hungry and 2) they worry the food might not be there if they leave it.

One of my cats will self-monitor himself.  The other won't.  If I leave food out for both cats the one cat will eat it all. And get really fat.  And still scarf it down and puke.

I have found that if I feed them expensive, healthy canned food the puke-y cat will puke less.  But you can't leave wet cat food out.  Also their poop will be runnier and smell reeeaaaaalllly bad. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on June 14, 2013, 06:07:51 AM
Euro, you might speak to your vet about it. Murphy sometimes had trouble digesting his food (he is a grazer, not a four legged Hoover), and would throw up. He also sometimes struggles to poo and we would hear him meowing loudly in his litter box. We spoke to our vet about it and he did some tests and found that Murphy lacks some sort of stomach enzyme that helps break down his food.

The vet suggested wet food, but Murphy (who we adopted when he was 7years old - he was brought to the shelter when his elderly owners could no longer care for him) had always been fed dry and wouldn't eat wet/canned food. So the vet suggested something called "Catlax," which is a kitty laxative in a squeeze tube. It has really helped Murphy.

He still throws up on occasion - mostly because he LOVES drinking out of a running tap and will drink until he is about to explode...and then does. He's like a furry water balloon.

It's also possible that Mimic might be allergic to one of the components of the food. Do you switch out different types, or feed the same thing? If you switch it out, it might be worth keeping a kitty food diary to see if it's a certain type that Mimic throws up. If you feed the same thing, maybe try switching it.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on June 14, 2013, 06:48:19 AM
He still throws up on occasion - mostly because he LOVES drinking out of a running tap and will drink until he is about to explode...and then does. He's like a furry water balloon.
This made me giggle. Poor little Murphy.

Euro, is Mimic prone to hairballs? My cat will throw up if he's got a belly full of furballs (he eats any loose fur off the floor) and he eats too much.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: eyeball on June 14, 2013, 10:20:36 AM
Cassie brought me another mouse last night but I got to hear her torture the poor thing first. beats it waking up and running away when I try to pick it up like last time *ew*
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on June 14, 2013, 10:48:43 AM
If your cat doesn't eat all the food at once, and isn't getting fat I'd just leave things the way they are.  A lot of cats tend eat worse if they don't have a constant food supply at hand because 1)  Sometimes they get hungry and 2) they worry the food might not be there if they leave it.

One of my cats will self-monitor himself.  The other won't.  If I leave food out for both cats the one cat will eat it all. And get really fat.  And still scarf it down and puke.

I have found that if I feed them expensive, healthy canned food the puke-y cat will puke less.  But you can't leave wet cat food out.  Also their poop will be runnier and smell reeeaaaaalllly bad.

we feed our cats thrice daily.  a handful at a time.  they're always hungry, so sometimes i give them a little late night snack.  it amazes me that berny has a pooch.  he used to steal squishface's food, but i put an end to that over numerous backhands.  cats hate backhands.  the only time when we put a lot of cat food out for them is when we're going away for a weekend.  we fill up a casserole dish and say, "peace, bitches."  i've dubbed this the catserole. 

we have a box of wet cat food that was less of a gift than it was an "i don't need this."  we've never feed them wet cat food and frankly i don't like this runny even more smelly shit.  their litter box is right next to our crapper and i enjoy a good crap.  is there benefits to wet cat food?  our cats only crave commercial cat food. 

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on June 14, 2013, 11:08:08 AM
is there benefits to wet cat food?  our cats only crave commercial cat food. 

Cats typically don't drink enough water to keep themselves fully hydrated if they're on exclusively dry food.  Here is a decent enough breakdown of the issues.

http://www.catster.com/cat-food/cat-food-wet-or-dry
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on June 14, 2013, 12:49:14 PM
is there benefits to wet cat food?  our cats only crave commercial cat food. 

Cats typically don't drink enough water to keep themselves fully hydrated if they're on exclusively dry food.  Here is a decent enough breakdown of the issues.

http://www.catster.com/cat-food/cat-food-wet-or-dry

thank you for that.  that was quite a good read.  i have no idea how to proceed now. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on June 17, 2013, 05:21:29 PM
My old vet wanted me to give my cats only wet food, to help with hydration, and male cats can get kidney infections really easily. That being said, I can't afford to do that, so they get 50/50 wet dry. They get 1 cup of dry food daily, and a can of wet food daily, divided into two servings.

I got stern talking tos that I was letting the cats down, but then I figured, hey! Have you seen what I eat?!? (It's not cat food, btw)
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on June 17, 2013, 05:44:15 PM
I always thought that wet food was unhealthy for cats. My previous cat was addicted to wet food so when I got Mimic I never even started giving him any wet food (just like in the shelter, I don't think they serve wet food there either). Maybe I should start feeding him some wet food and see if that helps with the occasional vomiting  :-\
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on June 17, 2013, 08:09:25 PM
Yes, I go with the 50/50 split. They each have their advantages, although the wet food has more health related advantages according to the research I've done. I give my cat a 3 oz can of wet food in the morning and I even add about 1/3 can of water, too. My cat loves the meaty flavored water, so it's good for him from that perspective. I give him a high quality dry cat food in the evening because my budget likes that better and it's supposedly better for his teeth and gums.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on June 17, 2013, 09:17:12 PM
I feed my somewhat 50/50-ish as well. 

I feed them cheap premium brands.  Either Natural Balance or the ones that say 1, 2, 3 where 3=tuna and 2=chicken or whatever.  Whichever one is on sale.  I used to just get 24 cans delivered every three weeks from PetCo and it was super cheap at $1.10 or so a can.  Then two times in a row the shipment didn't show up.  I don't know if it was stolen or what.  So now I go to the store and I have to pay $1.50 a can.  Plus I have to go to the store.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on July 04, 2013, 05:10:44 PM
Does anyone have any "end of life planning" resources for cats?

Not to be morbid or anything, neither of my cats have any known health issues at all.  But they are both at least 15 years old now, maybe a little more.

Are there people/places you can call who will come to your house and put down a cat and how do you find them?  If your cat dies, do you just put it in a paper bag and take it to the SPCA like "Yeah, here's my dead cat?"  Stuff like that.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on July 04, 2013, 09:27:58 PM
I've had to put two to sleep, one was about 15 and the other 13. The first one had kitty cancer, and after a month of giving him fluids subcutaneously, I took him to the vet and they took care of it.  The other had tumors compressing her lungs, nasal cavity, and abdomen. She sounded like Darth Vader when she breathed. I had long consults with the vet over her-- got good advice on what to do and when.

I put her to sleep in part because I didn't want to come home one day and find her gone.

My vet said to expect about 20 years on an indoor cat... mine were young in comparison.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on July 04, 2013, 10:13:34 PM
We have a few mobile vets around here which would provide that service.  My last cat had to be put to sleep because he was very ill.  He was already at the vet, so it happened there, and I was with him.  He was wrapped in a towel and I took him home that way.  Then my father buried him for me in my back yard.  You can have pets cremated if you wish.  I'm assuming costs vary, but as he'd been so sick, I was not charged anything.   There's at least one mobile vet in your area that has some information.  You might also check with your own vet to see what kind of services they offer.  http://capitalhomevetcare.com/index.htm
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on July 04, 2013, 10:51:58 PM
My vet said to expect about 20 years on an indoor cat... mine were young in comparison.
I think your vet is overly optimistic, honestly. Anytime an indoor cat gets beyond 15-16, that is quite a gift. My previous cat Princey (strictly indoors) lived to be about 17-18. My current cat Mimic is about 6-7 now and I am looking forward to many, many years with him. He's truly my buddy.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on July 05, 2013, 07:29:49 AM
Cat has caught 2 mice in 2 days.  Both alive when I found them.  The one yesterday was frozen stiff, but its little chest was heaving extraordinarily fast, so I don't know if it was dead, playing dead, or dying of shock. 

The one today, our cat was very interested in an area of the room under a shelf that he usually doesn't give a shit about... that was the tipoff.  We knew he was hunting something, and about 10 minutes in, he comes trotting out with a mouse in his mouth.  He takes it downstairs into our family room and is letting it go, then re-catching it.  Does this about 3 times while I am getting the necessary equipment to get the mouse outside.  So, he was going to play with it for a bit before killing it, clearly. 

We saw 2 mice in the previous 18 months in this house, so 2 in 2 days is quite a feat.  Must be trying to escape the rain or something.  This is what I am paying this cat for is to catch mice, so good job Smokey.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on July 05, 2013, 11:07:56 AM
Good job, Smokey!

As for end-of-life measures for kitties, our previous cat, Nick, died a few months before his 20th birthday. He was pretty spry until the age of 18, although he had some trouble jumping before that. We made kitty steps for him so that he could get onto the sofa, chair and bed easily. So even though he was declining physically, he still had pretty good quality of life.

We knew when it was time to put him to sleep. Knowing didn't make it any easier, but we knew it had to be done. We took him to a pet hospital, and were with him when he crossed over. We opted to have him cremated. His ashes are in a little wooden cremation box with a plaque bearing his name and dates. We have a little photo of him on top of it.

I still miss him every day.

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on July 05, 2013, 02:50:16 PM
Good timing on the end of life chatter. Today my cat, Linus, was diagnosed with lymphoma in/around his intestines. He's currently in hospital (been feverish and not eating since Wednesday) and I am trying to decide what to do. I don't want to put him down but chemo only gives him 9 months at the most and I don't want him to suffer through the treatments. What do you guys think? Those of you who've been through the cancer with kitties and did chemo, was it worth it?

I really don't know what to do. Any and all advice is welcome right now.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on July 05, 2013, 03:45:43 PM
I did not do chemo with my kitty with cancer. I did subcutaneous fluids, though, so that he wouldn't starve (he quit eating and lost 7lbs...) And then there came a day when I knew I was keeping him alive for me and not for him.  I think he was too far along when we discovered he was sick, so I don't think chemo was even an option.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on July 05, 2013, 03:53:19 PM
Good timing on the end of life chatter. Today my cat, Linus, was diagnosed with lymphoma in/around his intestines. He's currently in hospital (been feverish and not eating since Wednesday) and I am trying to decide what to do. I don't want to put him down but chemo only gives him 9 months at the most and I don't want him to suffer through the treatments. What do you guys think? Those of you who've been through the cancer with kitties and did chemo, was it worth it?

I really don't know what to do. Any and all advice is welcome right now.
He can have one of my shoes
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on July 05, 2013, 04:10:19 PM
I really don't know what to do. Any and all advice is welcome right now.
He can have one of my shoes
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Awwww... thanks.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on July 05, 2013, 05:31:05 PM
Good timing on the end of life chatter. Today my cat, Linus, was diagnosed with lymphoma in/around his intestines. He's currently in hospital (been feverish and not eating since Wednesday) and I am trying to decide what to do. I don't want to put him down but chemo only gives him 9 months at the most and I don't want him to suffer through the treatments. What do you guys think? Those of you who've been through the cancer with kitties and did chemo, was it worth it?

I really don't know what to do. Any and all advice is welcome right now.
That's a tough one Poolio. I don't mean to be crass but I suppose it's also a matter of money. I have no idea how much chemo treatments would cost although I imagine it's not cheap.

If it was me, I might go with kittie heaven rather than string it out. I know that it would really upset me and I prob would take a "kittie time-out" after that for at least 2-3 months. That is what i did when Princey passed away 3 1/2 years ago. At the end of the time-out I was ready to love another kittie without feeling bad or guilty that I took in another kittie "so soon".
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: lutz on July 05, 2013, 05:58:08 PM
Good timing on the end of life chatter. Today my cat, Linus, was diagnosed with lymphoma in/around his intestines. He's currently in hospital (been feverish and not eating since Wednesday) and I am trying to decide what to do. I don't want to put him down but chemo only gives him 9 months at the most and I don't want him to suffer through the treatments. What do you guys think? Those of you who've been through the cancer with kitties and did chemo, was it worth it?

I really don't know what to do. Any and all advice is welcome right now.
This is just my opinion, and in no way am I saying that this is the best course, but I think it would be kinder to put him to sleep now, so he can die peacefully with no more suffering. There is no way to explain to him why the chemo drugs will make him feel so ill, and he will still lose weight and deteriorate slowly, the same as a human would with that prognosis. I would rather remember him how he is now rather than remember him in a worse state.

Just my thoughts, and I'm sorry that it's likely not what you want to hear. My mum's cat eventually had to be put down after having cancer. I wouldn't want anyone else's cat to go through that.

It's also kind of on my mind after seeing my mum's best friend become unrecognisable with brain cancer. It's a horrible, undignified way to go.

*hugs*
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on July 07, 2013, 04:29:02 PM
After consulting with friends who'd been through it and thinking about it very hard, I opted to put him to sleep. The boyfriend and I went on Friday night, spent some good quality time with him and then he went quietly and peaceful into kitty heaven. I won't say that it was easy and I won't sleep well for awhile but it was the right choice. I know the horrors of chemotherapy and I know what the cancer would do to him... and, well, I wanted to spare him from knowing any of that. Linus was an amazing cat who brought joy to my life and is leaving a large, furry hole behind him.

My heart will be broken for a good, long time but there are other kitties in my future. I just hope that they are as wonderful as Linus was.
Thank you all for your good thoughts and advice.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on July 07, 2013, 06:16:54 PM
Vibes, Poolio! Such a hard decision to make, and so hard to go through. I'll be thinking of you!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on July 07, 2013, 08:17:31 PM
Thanks hon. I really appreciate all the good thoughts from everyone here and around the intertubes this weekend. It is really strange sitting in an empty apartment.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on July 07, 2013, 11:17:57 PM
My heart will be broken for a good, long time but there are other kitties in my future. I just hope that they are as wonderful as Linus was.
Thank you all for your good thoughts and advice.
Poolio, Linus is indeed in kittie heaven. Just give yourself time to grief and eventually your heart will open to getting another kittie, whom you will love and who will love you.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on July 08, 2013, 06:46:39 AM
Thanks Euro.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kenneth Toilethole on July 08, 2013, 07:39:07 AM
Sad to hear. Linus was a good cat.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on July 08, 2013, 07:48:14 AM
Sad to hear. Linus was a good cat.
Thanks. He was. I'm sure he's rolling on shoes somewhere right now.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on July 08, 2013, 07:53:43 AM
Sorry, P.  That is not something that ever gets easier... it just gets less raw as time goes on.  Hoping you can eventually find it in your heart to give another needy cat a great home.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on July 08, 2013, 11:10:17 AM
Sending you loads of vibes. R.i.p Linus.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on July 08, 2013, 01:23:21 PM
Vibes! So sorry for you.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Atzend on July 08, 2013, 10:37:16 PM
Sorry for your loss, Poolio.  You gave him a comfortable and caring existence many cats don't get.  He was a lucky guy.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on July 09, 2013, 06:44:54 AM
Thanks guys. It's still really hard but it's getting easier bit by bit.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Cockney Rebel on July 09, 2013, 07:39:55 AM
Sending you loads of vibes. R.i.p Linus.
x2.

We invest so much love in our fur babies.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: c-lando on July 09, 2013, 09:01:21 AM
Lots of hugs to you, Poolio. So very sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on July 11, 2013, 06:36:42 PM
So on Tuesday my cat puked up some blood.  It was fresh blood and pretty red so I thought maybe he just had a cut in his mouth or had eaten a mouse or something.  He was otherwise fine, running around and eating and stuff.  But he'd been taking nasty, totally liquid poops for two days.

I almost didn't do anything, but then I thought, "Well, just in case.  I'll take him in."

BIG MISTAKE.

I go to the emergency clinic.  For whatever reason, he ended up being there for four hours. They feel around and found a lump in his belly.  So they come back and say, "We want to run some X-rays."  Sure, fine.  Makes sense.  They run the X-rays and they kinda see something but I guess it's inconclusive what's up.  So they are like "We want to run some bloodwork."  Sure fine.  Blood tests come back and he's a bit anemic and he has too many globulins or something, and he's dehydrated.  Things are whacky enough that they are pretty sure something's up.  On the other hand, nothing is so whacky that they can pinpoint what it is. 

So this costs $500!  The clinic says that he doesn't appear to be in immediate danger so take him home and take him to the vet the next day.

So next day, I miss work and take him in.  My vet has no ultrasound machine, it turns out.  Also I have to tell the vet that x-rays were taken as apparently it wasn't in the paperwork.  So the vet feels around, confirms there's a lump there.  He takes some more blood.  The cat is negative for FLV/FIV, which is like no shit sherlock he's an indoor cat and has been tested before.  He gets the x-rays, looks at them and says he can't tell what is up either.  So that's another $100 for this dude to tell me nothing I didn't know already.

So now they say I should wait a week, and take the cat back to the vet.

Fuck that, man.  What are they going to see that they didn't see before?  Either he gets better or he doesn't.  And you still don't have an ultrasound machine, so all you're going to do is refer me to some other clinic which means I pay another $100 for nothing and then have to torture my cat all over again for your visit and then probably like another $250 and another round of torture to get him to someone with an ultrasound?  What are they going to find in the ultrasound anyway.

What a rip-off.   The money makes me mad.  But really makes me mad is that my cat is miserable, because he's been poked and prodded and put into cars and taken to strange places.  He doesn't trust me anymore.  And the other cat keeps growling at him because he smells funny.  He's just been hiding underneath the dresser for two days.  On Tuesday, he was a perfectly happy, active cat.  Now he's totally confused and scared and unhappy.

Pretty much it seems to me there are only two options here.  One, they continue not to know what it is so the only thing you can do is leave the cat be and if he dies eventually that's it.  Can't do anything about it.  Two, they can confirm that it's cancer, in which case I doubt I would opt for chemo (and the vet agrees) as it's rarely successful and my cat is pretty old.  In which case the result is the same.  Take him home and let him live out his life.

So anyway, I have an appointment to take him back to the vet in ten days.  If he's still alive in a week, which I'm confident he will be, I think I'm just gonna cancel.  I can't see a diagnosis where its like "oh, he just has blahblahblah give him a couple pills for two days and he'll be fine."  They already ruled out that it's a piece of hardened poo or other foreign object.  Cats don't get benign tumors.  It's not an ulcer.  Anything simple like that they already tested for.  Pretty much he dies of cancer or mystery illness or he doesn't.

I thought the way this end-of-life stuff was going to break down was I would have to weigh a decision between like a $2000 surgery or put the cat to sleep and that might be hard.  I did not figure I'd have to pay $1000 just to get a diagnosis. Total scam in my opinion. And I've realized the decision when it comes is pretty simple.  I know pretty damn well how my cat is feeling.  He was miserable the last two days and there isn't even anything physically ailing him.  There's no way I'd let him live like that for six months or even one month.

I feel pretty confident now I'll know to make the right decision when it comes.  It's just too bad I had to piss away $500 and make my cat miserable for two days to learn my lesson.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on July 11, 2013, 11:04:31 PM
Zafer, sorry to hear this story, but it just confirms what I've always believed, which is not to take my cat to the vet or the emergency room or to anything. Nothing much will ever change. I've known my several cats over the years well enough that unless he is totally f*cked up, I'm just not gonna do anything, and that has never happened. In your case, I wouldn't have done a thing, and just wait it out.

Only in obvious situations, such as my cat would somehow suffer, say, a bad leg injury that can clearly be fixed, would I take him to the vet.

If on the other hand I'd find myself in a position like Poolio recently where the kittie is just plainly and obviously in utter pain, I'd send my cat to kittie heaven.

I realize my thinking sounds very harsh, yet I love my cat dearly.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on July 12, 2013, 06:51:07 AM
Sorry to hear this Zafer. I know all too well how expensive the vet can be (we sunk $1300 in but my baby spent almost 48 hours in hospital) and how hard these choices are. I know you'll do right by your kitty.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: juggles on July 12, 2013, 03:45:58 PM
I'm probably more than a little biased on the subject of veterinary care since my sister is a small animal vet. I've definitely had similar experiences of seemingly futile and expenses trips to the vet. I've had at least as many futile and expensive trips to the doctor for myself. But I can also think of several instances when a vet able to diagnose and treat an animal and keep them alive and healthy and happy for years. I'm not pretending I know what the right thing to do is in anyone's situation. It's tough when you're responsible for another creature's well-being. And you have the financial burden to consider as well. And while I don't think anyone here is really bashing vets, I just wanted to mention that I've known them to do a lot of good too. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: juggles on July 12, 2013, 09:52:17 PM
Also this:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7387/9270740403_590dae3692.jpg)

Yes, those are my cats.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on July 13, 2013, 10:58:43 AM
Pretty kitties!  Mine almost never cuddle up like that.

ZK, I'm sorry about your cat situation, it's a hard thing to deal with.

OK, cat story from me:
I have a bookcase that is up on legs, so the bottom shelf is about 4" from the floor.  I heard a noise from the shelf the other day, and looked over to see my 15lb, large orange kitty squeezing himself out from underneath it!  He'd been napping there, and was purring when he came out.  Seems a bit claustrophobic to me, but then again, I'm not a cat.  I can't even fathom how he got under there- to look at that space and say, yes, this is a great place to nap! I wish I'd gotten a picture.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on August 06, 2013, 12:12:32 PM
Cat Question:

Everything I read says that cats are carnivores and their bodies digestive needs are specific to carnivores. And then everything I read implies that the perfect food for cats are mice, which works nicely since that's what cats love to hunt.

So why don't they sell mouse meat as food for cats? Why am I feeding my cat beef or duck or chicken or tuna or whatever? Where's the food that my cat wants the most?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on August 06, 2013, 12:56:45 PM
Flea question:

Couple of months ago my cat Mimic somehow got fleas. I immediately went to the store and bought Frontline anti-flea treatment, the kind that you squeeze onto the back of his neck. For good measure a couple of days later I also took him to the vet, where they gave me anti-flea stuff to spray onto the carpets. For double good measure, i had the carpet cleaners come out and do the whole house, then I sprayed the anti-flea stuff I got from the vet. And I continue to put the Frontline treatment once a month on the back of his neck.

Imagine my horror when last night I noticed he's got some fleas again on his lower stomach! My gosh, how is this possible?

This is actually the second time that I've experienced flea issues with him, once exactly 3 years ago, and now this. (Strangely I never had a single flea issue in all my years with my previous cat Princey).

Questions:

If you have dealt with this, do you have a preferred brand of flea treatment that you think is really strong and effective? And how does that work exactly anyway? I mean you squeeze it onto the back of the neck but the fleas usually are on the lower stomach and/or the tail.

I mentioned this to my son, and his reaction was "give Mimic a bath and drown the fleas". Whoa?!? has anyone ever heard of that? I've never given a bath to any of my cats, ever.

Any other thoughts/suggestions are most welcome!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 06, 2013, 01:34:39 PM
To my knowledge bathing alone is not going to help clear up the fleas or drown them.  There are medicated shampoos (like what a person would use for lice) but I don't know that these are effective on their own, and I think it would wash off the frontline, and your cat will hate it of course.  Given that the frontline isn't working for you (I've also wondered how it works) I'd try the shampoo or whatever other thing your vet or the people at the pet store suggest.

I think you're doing the right things.  Hit it from every angle, which you're doing.  You can't just treat the cat and not the carpet and furniture etc. 

I think the flea bombs work but obviously that's a last resort sort of thing.  When my parents had them we ended up ripping out the carpet... it was old carpet and was due to be replaced/removed anyway so obviously that probably isn't an option for you.  Then we used the bombs for good measure. 

They're invasive little suckers, so good luck.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on August 06, 2013, 01:47:09 PM
We picked up a stray once from near an area where C-Fan worked.  It was so infested with fleas that the only thing we could think to do was give it a bath with the medicated shampoo.

This cat was so infested that the fleas were climbing on its face, eyes, and ears to get away from the water and shampoo.  That was probably one of the grossest things we've ever done.  Just have lots of towels handy to handle the ball of claws and anger that ensues.  But I definitely recommend a flea bath.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on August 06, 2013, 01:53:59 PM
Euro, if you value your hands and arms, I recommend you do NOT attempt to bathe Mimic. Although if you do decide to go that route, please set up a video cam and live stream it (this coming from someone who once tried to bathe her cat and lived to tell the tale).

It sounds as though there may be a flea problem somewhere else in the vicinity of where you live. Do you have neighbors with pets? Do you have your yard treated or not? Do your neighbors have their yards treated? Do you visit parks or other green spaces? Fleas can hitch a ride on your pant legs, shoes etc., and all it takes is one pregnant female jumping off inside your home to infest it.

I HATE fleas and am borderline paranoid about getting them (had them once at my previous house and it was a real battle to get rid). When I had them, I got an industrial-sized bottle of flea killer from the vet, and sprayed it on the carpets once a week for probably two months, because the vet said that flea larvae hatch later - after you think you have eradicated the adults. I can't remember the name of the stuff I got, but it's probably the same stuff your vet has. It is also supposed to kill any eggs that might have been laid in the carpets, rugs, furniture etc.

Frontline works by absorbing into the cat's skin, and thereby protecting the whole cat, not just where the liquid is placed. It always worked fine for our previous cat, but our vet did tell us that Frontline had changed its mixture from what it was a few years ago, and he said it wasn't as effective anymore. You might ask your vet to recommend something else.

I'm really sorry that you and Mimic are having to deal with fleas. :(
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on August 06, 2013, 01:59:53 PM
It sounds as though there may be a flea problem somewhere else in the vicinity of where you live. Do you have neighbors with pets? Do you have your yard treated or not? Do your neighbors have their yards treated? Do you visit parks or other green spaces? Fleas can hitch a ride on your pant legs, shoes etc., and all it takes is one pregnant female jumping off inside your home to infest it.
Fleas are so incredibly awful. And very hard to get rid of once they're in your house. In addition to what you're already doing, you might want to treat your yard as well. You may want to consider spray the flea killer on any soft furniture (couch, mattresses, etc...) because those suckers could be hiding anywhere.

Good luck, Euro.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 06, 2013, 02:20:19 PM
Euro, if you value your hands and arms, I recommend you do NOT attempt to bathe Mimic. Although if you do decide to go that route, please set up a video cam and live stream it (this coming from someone who once tried to bathe her cat and lived to tell the tale).

Must depend on the cat.  I remember it sucking, but not so much that I'd say definitely don't even attempt it.  This might also depend on whether or not Mimic is de-clawed.  My parents' cats were so they couldn't do too much damage as long as you could keep the hind legs under control.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 06, 2013, 02:31:32 PM
Frontline kills everything on the cat, don't worry about that.  There are either still eggs somewhere in your house or you are continuing to bring new fleas in from outside, or maybe someone you know has fleas.

Also,  IMO Borax is cheaper and works better than any flea bomb or fancy anti-flea stuff you get from the vet.
www.boraxforfleas.com/
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on August 06, 2013, 02:47:24 PM
My vet also recommended moth balls inside the vacuum cleaner bag, because it suffocates fleas trapped in the bag (which don't die and can escape). I did this and it seems to have helped, but you risk your home smelling like an old lady's coat closet for awhile.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on August 06, 2013, 06:46:38 PM
Ugh. Fleas.

I think it takes 30-60 days for flea eggs to hatch, and those bastards leave eggs everywhere. So even if you get the adults, the fresh young will reappear.

I had a flea problem with 2 cats, and it took me months to get rid of them (the fleas, not cats). I scrubbed down the house, flea bombed every room, which involved doing three rooms with me and the cats in the fourth room, waiting two/four hours, then going out and bombing the fourth room. I also bathed the cats, which did leave me with scars for awhile. I washed EVERYTHING in hot water, too.

Change the vacuum bag, since that's one of the places the eggs end up. The fleas are only on the cat (or you) to feed, and then hang out elsewhere to lay the eggs.

And I combed the cats with a flea comb every day, and drowned the fleas in soapy water.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on August 06, 2013, 09:06:38 PM
You can also use Dawn: http://www.wikihow.com/Kill-Fleas-With-Dawn-Dishsoap

This sounds like a promising hint - Put a bowl of half dish soap and half water on the floor over night and the fleas will be attracted to the soap and jump into the bowl. The fleas will be killed instantly!

Dawn - removes oil and fleas from animals and birds!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on August 06, 2013, 10:05:35 PM
oh- the borax is a good tip, too. It won't hurt the cats, and it's bad for fleas.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on August 06, 2013, 11:10:35 PM
Thanks everyone for the great tips. All noted.

When I got home after work tonight, Mimic was clearly not his usual self, seemingly sapped of all energy. I put him on my lap and he stayed there for the longest time. I looked all over him and saw several fleas but it was not an army of fleas, if you know what I mean.

Anyway, I was a bit alarmed by his complete lack of energy, as there also was some strange behavior last night. Usually he just lays on my bed and doesn't move much but last night he was super restless and I eventually had to put him outside of my bedroom so I could get some sleep. Which is strangely completely the opposite of his lack of energy tonight.

So... I called the vet and am taking him there first thing in the morning, as I want a professional look at Mimic since I'm not sure it's just the fleas or something more.

As to the possible flea areas, as I mentioned I had the carpet cleaners come in, and they did the whole house, except the (fully finished) basement which is kinda/rather messy/cluttered by my own admission, so maybe that is the problem. That is also where his food and water bowl is and his litter box, so I'm thinking of moving those up and closing the basement to him. And, depending on the vet's recommendation, also give him an anti-flea shampoo that several of you have suggested.



 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on August 07, 2013, 06:45:40 AM
Hopefully it's nothing serious, Euro. I wonder if one of the flea bites has gotten infected. Poor Mimic. And poor you for having to deal with this. Stupid fleas.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: juggles on August 07, 2013, 01:48:43 PM
Cat Question:

Everything I read says that cats are carnivores and their bodies digestive needs are specific to carnivores. And then everything I read implies that the perfect food for cats are mice, which works nicely since that's what cats love to hunt.

So why don't they sell mouse meat as food for cats? Why am I feeding my cat beef or duck or chicken or tuna or whatever? Where's the food that my cat wants the most?

You know, I said the exact same thing to my wife the other night. She didn't have a good answer.
Does my cat really think salmon looks like that glop in the can? Pretty easy to catch then. The only hard part is opening the can.

I saw we go in together on farm-raised mice to sell to Purina. I'm sure they'll go it. Send me a check. I'll get started right away.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on August 07, 2013, 01:51:26 PM
I was also thinking someone just needs to open up a mouse farm and sell it for meat.  Have to think that'd be a pretty cheap operation to run, because I don't see PETA coming in with an expose on treatment of mice.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Homsar on August 07, 2013, 04:12:55 PM
It boggles my mind how many different cat foods there are.  I'm sure if they get hungry enough, they'll eat anything, so why not just use one?  Obviously for someone's profit. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 07, 2013, 04:22:22 PM
It boggles my mind how many different cat foods there are.  I'm sure if they get hungry enough, they'll eat anything, so why not just use one?  Obviously for someone's profit. 

Consumerism in America just isn't allowed to be simple anymore.  There are like ten different varieties of Mt. Dew at this point, and probably twenty five different Oreos.  What the hell do we need all that shit for?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 07, 2013, 04:55:43 PM
The meat yield on mice is terrible.  You'd have to kill probably like 10 mice to yield one can of cat food.  So you'd be raising  millions of mice, just begging for Bubonic Plague.

OTOH, you can buy a box o' cowparts  from some slaughterhouse that yields like 100 cans of catfood and you don't have to raise it or kill it or anything.

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: juggles on August 07, 2013, 07:17:02 PM
The meat yield on mice is terrible.  You'd have to kill probably like 10 mice to yield one can of cat food.  So you'd be raising  millions of mice, just begging for Bubonic Plague.

OTOH, you can buy a box o' cowparts  from some slaughterhouse that yields like 100 cans of catfood and you don't have to raise it or kill it or anything.

OK, rats then.

That is, we farm raise rats. Not "darn."
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Atzend on August 07, 2013, 08:03:12 PM
Also,  IMO Borax is cheaper and works better than any flea bomb or fancy anti-flea stuff you get from the vet.
www.boraxforfleas.com/

We frontline the cats/dog and I sprinkle Borax on the carpets and let it sit for about a half hour then vacuum. Even with multiple cats (that used to go outside) and a dog, we've not had an issue.  Much safer for the cats, dog, kid, and us than the Raid type sprays or bombs.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on August 07, 2013, 09:04:16 PM
OK, rats then.

That is, we farm raise rats. Not "darn."
I saw the perfect specimen to begin the breeding process. Walking down Third St. one morning on my way to work, a humongous rat came legging it out of the parking garage near my building. I swear he looked like Templeton after a night at the fair. Plenty of meat there.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Jen on August 08, 2013, 03:04:56 PM
I get busy for a month or so and you start a thread with my name written all over it. ;)

We have two kittehs too. Barley is a long, sleek brown tabby and Peggy is our pudgy calico. We have multiple nicknames for each cat. For Barley, he can be Barley butt, kitty or buddy. Peggy is Princess Peggy or Peggy Sue most often. Mark likes to call Barley our quarterback validictorian (athletic and smart) and Peggy our cheerleader (she is so darn cute!). I take issue because while Peggy is definitely the cat who takes leisure to a new level, she is certain not dumb.

We too have problems with Barley puking. He eats way too fast! We feed him half his wet portion then follow up with his other half about a half hour later (done 2x a day, in the morning and at night). Barley prefers the wet food but Peggy likes dry (which definitely leads to the pudge factor) so we give her half wet and a little bit of dry. I prefer to give them wet because of the research I did on wet plus the dry, even if it is protein and no grain (we feed our call Wellne$$, wet & dry), it is a quick way for them to put on the pounds. We just got back from vacation and they ate all dry. Both gained weight, Peggy more so because she probably at what Barley didn't of his portion. We actually bought feeders that have a timer (yes, our cats are spoiled rotten) for when we go away because we want to try to keep Peggy from eating all the food. She was a rescue who grew up on the streets and she gave every indication when we first got her that she had a lot of hungry days (she used to hiss at Barley if he came near her while eating, she no longer does).

We recently had to switch out their food. We used to buy them Natural Balance but either we got a bad case or they changed the formula of that particular flavor, but the cats wouldn't eat it. So we had to start over finding something they would like. That was fun!  ::)

Enough talking. What this thread needs is pics! :D
Barley: (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x117/jennytaber/barley_zps8f0f4398.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/jennytaber/media/barley_zps8f0f4398.jpg.html) and Peggy: (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x117/jennytaber/peggy_zpsb2b69f32.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/jennytaber/media/peggy_zpsb2b69f32.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on August 08, 2013, 03:57:09 PM
Yay! Pictures of kittehs!

Good call, Jen.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on August 08, 2013, 08:26:42 PM
Yes! I need to put pictures of my beasties up.

I might have solved the problem of them waking me up super early- I don't feed them until 11pm now. They have been leaving me alone!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on August 08, 2013, 09:24:56 PM
Do you only feed them once a day?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on August 08, 2013, 10:24:08 PM
I feed them twice a day- once around 7:30am, and then again in the evening. I had been feeding them at 5:30 when I got home, but now I'm waiting on that one until later.  They have dry food out all day, but it's a total of 1 cup of food.  They really prefer the wet food, but I'm not going to feed them as much as they want.

Sometimes I'll feed them an additional time during the day, if I'm home and they are really annoying me.

It's the never ending struggle of opposable thumb vs. non-opposable thumb!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on August 08, 2013, 10:46:22 PM
awesome pics Jen, they are so cute!

I am a believer that cats are self-monitoring (as opposed to dogs), and hence I leave a full bowl of food and water at all times. Never has seemed to be a problem with any of my cats in the last 20+ years.

For those of you who were reading along with my flea and other potential problems with Mimic, I took him to the vet a few days ago, and there is nothing wrong with him, other than the fleas of course. The vet gave him a steroid shot so make him feel better, and we have a new plan in place for the fleas. Keep your fingers crossed! I love Mimic and will do whatever needs to be done.

Back on the WOXY boards I posted some pics of Mimic but nowadays it's just too burdensome to upload pics to post here, sorry. But loved seeing Jen's cuties!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on August 09, 2013, 05:37:44 AM
Glad to hear that there is nothing wrong with Mimic, Euro (excepting the fleas,natch). Hopefully the new plan of attack works for you. Fleas are a real nuisance.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Jen on August 09, 2013, 08:46:33 AM
So glad your kitty is better Euro! :)

I wish I could figure out how to get Barley from stop waking me up at 3:50 EVERY DAY!! Sometimes feeding him later works but he really is better than an alarm clock, if only he knew I didn't want to get up until 5. *sigh* Peggy is content to sleep in.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on August 09, 2013, 01:05:49 PM
You can also use Dawn: http://www.wikihow.com/Kill-Fleas-With-Dawn-Dishsoap

This sounds like a promising hint - Put a bowl of half dish soap and half water on the floor over night and the fleas will be attracted to the soap and jump into the bowl. The fleas will be killed instantly!

Dawn - removes oil and fleas from animals and birds!

you forgot to mention it being placed underneath a nightlite.  it does attract fleas, but not all of them.  i tried it.  i also tried so many homeopathic remedies instead of just going to the vet.  imagine going to a convenient store repeatedly to buy baking soda and salt.  just those two things.  i might look like i'm heavily into drugs, but i've never had my own organization.  i placed those two items into bowls and situated them around my tiny apartment.  eventually, i put garlic and red onion into bowls.   i had a bowls of remedies stewn about my entire place.  and my place smelled, bad.  i even composted the garlic and red onion.  bad idea for someone who takes their compost out once a month. 

i read that introducing garlic into the cat's diet would ward off fleas.  plausible.  vampires are bloodsuckers and they hate garlic.  so i did that.  five minutes later while the cats were chowing down, i read another article saying that garlic was in fact terrible for cats.  so i took away their food. 

i slept on my couch the entire time as that seemed less flea infested.  i got so many bites.  the cats took to jumping atop the refrigerator and my cabinets for refuge.  they'd never done that before.  i liken it to spiderman as a flea can jump something like 20 times their height.  anyways, this happened a day before my girlfriend left for the congo on an operation smile mission leaving me to combat this crises by myself. 

after a week i went to the vet and bought some revolution flea drops and some spray.  sprayed once and $60 later, problem solved.  i did try to bathe berny once.  as soon as his feet hit the water and i decided against it. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on August 10, 2013, 01:03:31 AM
after a week i went to the vet and bought some revolution flea drops and some spray.  sprayed once and $60 later, problem solved.  i did try to bathe berny once.  as soon as his feet hit the water and i decided against it.
I got Revolution from the vet as well. And carpet spray. I seriously hope this will do the trick. It's not that this is a bad, out-of-control flea situation. Just some on Mimic's lower stomach. Keeping my fingers crossed! My vet did not recommend bathing or medical shampooing.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on August 10, 2013, 01:05:51 AM
so glad Mimic is doing better! 

Good luck with the remedies.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on August 14, 2013, 09:57:24 AM
This is a pointless post, but I just wanted to say this:

After adopting my cat in February it became very clear that he loved boxes (duh) and climbing things (also duh). So it became a goal of mine to get him a nice and big cat tree that has an elevated box-like area so he could be happy. The problem was that the kind I was looking to get would be $100-$150 and I wasn't prepared to spend that. So I have been trying to save money and promised myself that I would purchase this cat tree for him the first time that I had a month where I went under-budget. That finally happened last month, so I jumped online and got him a giant cat tree (http://www.armarkat.com/products/Classic-Cat-Tree-B7301.html) that I thought would be perfect.

It arrived yesterday and he almost immediately started loving it. He went straight to the top, enjoyed the box, and generally hung out on it whenever there wasn't something more interesting going on. This made us all very happy.

Maybe he'll get bored with it or take it for granted after a while, but I'm super pleased with this purchase. It actually was a bit larger than I was envisioning, so it didn't fit where I wanted it to go in my apartment but we found a place that works nicely for it regardless and I think this is going to work out nicely.

Yay!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on August 14, 2013, 10:26:50 AM
That is pretty awesome Dan!

How would I know whether my cat would like something like that or whether it would just sit there unused?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on August 14, 2013, 10:56:52 AM
I have no idea, but my uneducated guesses are "does your cat like to climb on things?" Also - how elevated is the interior of your apartment/house? My place doesn't have very many locations for him to go "up" and the one place where he could is our kitchen counter and we force him off that. If you have lots of already climbable items and locations perhaps it's not as needed.


Generally cats like to be higher up so they can look down and track the mice or other prey. They feel safer up there as many of their natural predators are ground based, too. So I think he'd probably like it, but I don't know Mimic's habits.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on August 14, 2013, 12:24:58 PM
I'm considering for my next abode to have some sort of cat tree as well. One of my cats loves being off the ground. He's on counters, dressers, any place more than 6" off the ground he considers to be fair game.  Strangely enough, he doesn't care for padded surfaces (couches, the bed), but he will knock everything off my bedside table every night. I think he'd love having something really tall to climb.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on August 14, 2013, 01:26:43 PM
That's definitely a good idea from the way you described your cat. He'll give you this look of "what took you so long?" the moment you get it.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 14, 2013, 01:29:34 PM
I have a two different cat trees.  One is in my spare bedroom. 

One day this winter, I snuck one of my cat's favorite toys on the top level.  When I got home half an hour later, the toy had been moved to another room.   Then another time, I accidentally closed the door to the room.  When I got home, one of my cats was a bit agitated and immediately went to the door and started meowing at it.  As soon as I opened it, he ran to the tree and jumped on it and rubbed himself all over, just to make sure it was still his.

So even if they don't seem to be using the cat tree, they probably are.  If you want them to use the cat tree more, put it by a window in a room where you often are and/or in a place where they hang out anyway.  They'll use it all the time.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on August 14, 2013, 11:27:07 PM
god, I'm going to turn into the crazy cat lady, aren't I?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on August 15, 2013, 07:49:02 AM
god, I'm going to turn into the crazy cat lady, aren't I?
Yep.  ;D
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on August 15, 2013, 08:37:15 AM
god, I'm going to turn into the crazy cat lady, aren't I?
No worries. You will be in good company. ;)
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 21, 2013, 11:58:05 PM
The splenectomy on my cat appears to have been a total success.

I forgot how annoying my cat actually used to be.  He's bossing around the other cat, wandering all over the house getting into mischief, trying to steal all the other cat's food, walking in front of the keyboard like "Look at ME" then when you try and pet him he scoots away and gives me that "I'm BUSY!" look.  I call him and he just looks at me like "Food or GTFO."

You can't pet that cat.  You can't even play with the cat half the time because he's already amusing himself.  Also, I forgot how much he enjoyed pouncing on my bed and then sprinting all around the house at full speed at 2 AM.  Also that other weird thing he does where he walks all over the house in the middle of the night with a cat toy in his mouth meowing at the top of his lungs before dropping it in the bedroom.  Why does he do this?  He KNOWS I'm in the bedroom so if he just wants to give it to me, he doesn't have to walk everywhere with it.  And then, what does he want me to do with it?  If I try to play with him he just walks off.

He's driving me and the other cat crazy.  My other cat used to always hide in this one compartment in the TV stand when I was in the living room.  He'd stopped doing that over the last year, and had started hanging out on the arm of the sofa which was nice because he always annoyed me in that TV compartment.  Today, he went back to the compartment.  Now I know why he used to do it.  Because the other cat was so annoying.

And now I remember why I used to spend less time in the house than I have been for the last six months or so.  Because being in that house with the cat actually elevated my stress levels.

Just now he brought me my remote control.  He hasn't done that in a couple of years.  It's not really very helpful considering my TV is downstairs in the living room.  Also, I have to hear him drag it across the hardwood floor and bang it against every stair.  And then sometimes I forget he brought it to me and I step on it when I get out of bed.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Homsar on August 22, 2013, 08:37:19 AM
My family's cat, which sadly had to be put down a couple of years ago, used to do the night yowling.  I think it's a mating thing, cause he carried around this toy stuffed cat the whole time I guess thinking it was real.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on August 22, 2013, 08:55:55 AM
That's amazing, ZK. I wish I had something novel or interesting to tell you, but just know that your story was worth the time spent typing.

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on August 22, 2013, 10:41:27 AM
Yeah ZK, the carrying a toy around and wailing in the night is something our previous cat did. A lot. Always with the same toy. One time I got up at 2 a.m. and crept down the hall to see what was going on. He was sitting in a pool of moonlight coming in through the kitchen window, with the toy at his feet, and he was singing a true song of woe. Then he picked it up in his mouth, carried it into the lounge, and did the same. Ditto every room the house, with my bedroom being the last place. No idea why.

Since Pogo (JesusPresley) isn't on here, hopefully he won't mind me telling this story about his cat Iggy. Igg was a cool cat, but he would absolutely lose his shit whenever he saw a little pink soft toy rabbit, which Pogie called "Bun-Bun." Pogie had to hide Bun-Bun in a cupboard over the fridge, because if Iggy saw Bun-Bun he would start crying and yowling until he was given Bun-Bun. Then he'd carry Bun-Bun all around the house singing a song of woe. Iggy was fine the rest of the time, but man, one look at Bun-Bun and BOOM, he was like a child wanting a pacifier.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on August 22, 2013, 01:59:48 PM
This thread... oh, I love this thread...

Last night my cat tried to kill me.  He's been knocking things off the bedside table so that the only things left are the lamp and alarm clock.  I've had to put the alarm clock on the bedrail so he can't do anything to that. At 4am this morning, he started batting at the lampshade and knocked the lamp over, onto me. Grrr! Luckily, the bulb didn't break, but he got kicked out of the room pretty quick.

This means that my other cat, the good cat, couldn't get on the bed at 7 like he normally does.  That's the only time of day that he likes me to pet him.

My pets are weird.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on August 22, 2013, 03:55:08 PM
Random question:

How "bitey" are your cats? Do they bite a lot? Do they go at you with their teeth much?

My cat at the shelter had a red sticker next to his name, which meant that he was a risk of some kind. But he's SUPER friendly and just loves being around people, so I thought they were just dumb. I'm realizing that the red sticker is because he's pretty bitey. And while it's never really that bad, I do find it annoying. Sometimes I'll be standing looking at my closet in the morning and he'll come out of nowhere, try to bite my calf muscle or something, and then (obviously) bounce off it and slink away. It didn't 'hurt' per se, but it was like "hey, what the hell?!?!"

Is this normal?

I spent the weekend visiting some folks with three cats, and there was no biting of any kind.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: lutz on August 22, 2013, 06:17:53 PM
Your cat doesn't happen to be called Luis, by any chance?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on August 22, 2013, 06:58:10 PM
I think it depends on the cat. Mine aren't really biters (though the one that tried to kill me is known to lick my leg and then give a little nip on occasion). I had a friend whose cat showed love by biting. He bit everything, all the time. My cats bite each other, though. I think that's the cat way of showing affection to other cats, and your cat thinks your a cat.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on August 22, 2013, 07:33:59 PM
My late Linus was a bit bitey. He used to bite because he was a big cat in a small apartment and we were all up in each other's grills all the time. Then when we got bigger places, he'd bite when he was frustrated or when he was really, REALLY hyper and I wasn't playing to his desired specifications. He got me pretty good a few times but a couple "Ow!"s and shutting him in another room cured him of the more vicious bites. I think cats that are either weird or have a really high prey drive tend to be more bitey. In other words, when he bites you when you're at the closet probably means that he'd been "stalking" you for awhile.  ;D
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 22, 2013, 07:41:05 PM
How old is your cat?   I'd say from maybe a year to three years old, you can expect a lot of pouncing and scratching and biting.  They have a ton of energy at that age and an instinctive desire to hone their hunting skills through play.  They also might be teething, depending on the age.

Get out that cat toys and have him chase stuff around until he pretty much falls down exhausted.  Then he'll be done with playtime, and also he learn to save his energy for chasing cat toys as opposed to pouncing on you. 

I used to have to play with my cat for 15-20 minutes at a time a couple times a day to keep him somewhat under control.   I mean, like actively, too.  Not just dangling a toy on a string.  I'd have to drag the toy through every room in the house and upstairs and downstairs.  I would get tired first.  Then I'd throw a wad up a piece of paper and throw it down the longest hallway in the house and play fetch with him.
When he finally didn't bring the paper back and just collapsed on the floor, I knew I'd get a few hours of peace.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on August 22, 2013, 08:27:53 PM
He's not named Linus - I don't get that joke.

He's 3.5 years old.

But everything else ya'll are saying does sound familiar. Some of it is that he's probably bored and doesn't have another cat to chase and bite, so he's doing so with me
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on August 22, 2013, 08:47:13 PM
Ditto everything ZK said.  You want to really play with him and get him to attack appropriate things.  When he bites you, always give him a firm NO.  If it's an option, you might want to have some kind of cat toy near your closet (I have in mind one of those little stands that have a spring or something on top that attracts their attention) that may divert him from you.  Do you have anything in your closet that may be of interest to him, like belts or ties that hang and move around when you're looking for clothes--that may be what's provoking him?  His behavior may be from shelter living...if it was crowded, that may have been his means of getting attention. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on August 22, 2013, 11:15:46 PM
The biting is a curious thing. Some cats show affection that way. My previous cat Princey was a biter. He'd bite into my arm, HARD, and then felt satisfied. I never took offense to it.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: lutz on August 23, 2013, 03:56:10 AM
He's not named Linus - I don't get that joke.

Luis!

Suarez wouldn't have been nearly subtle enough :p
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on August 23, 2013, 08:53:50 AM
Hah. Would have helped if I had read it correctly!

He also doesn't look like a horse, so there's some subtle differences between the two of them
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: cuddlyevil on August 23, 2013, 09:35:55 AM
Homer was a bit bitey in the beginning. He really only did it if you touched his belly or the base of his tail (he was feral and abused by kids in his neighborhood as a kitten), eventually it stopped being a trigger for him because he loved getting petted/scratched on his belly.

Helen always grabbed your hands with her paws when you rubbed her belly, she'd bring your hand to her mouth and you'd think she was going to bite but then she'd lick you.

My daughter has been asking more and more to get a kitten.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: luisterpaul on August 23, 2013, 09:55:30 AM
One of our cats is a biter. It's mixed with affection somehow. She's a neurotic little thing.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on August 23, 2013, 11:55:29 AM
My daughter has been asking more and more to get a kitten.
Gonna have to get to the shelters and find one because she's going to get her brothers asking too.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on August 23, 2013, 03:02:42 PM
Anyone else have cats that love to groom their humans? Murphy isn't a bitey-boy, but he looooves to groom our hair.

He likes to be carried around and doesn't hesitate to ask (he stands on his hind legs and puts his paws on my legs and meows until I pick him up), and once he has been picked up he starts enthusiastically licking my hair like a dog. If I am wearing a hair tie, he tries to pull it out.  He also licks CR's hair and beard.

When it's cold outside, he climbs onto my pillow after I have fallen asleep and wraps himself around my head. It's like wearing a purring Russian ushanka in bed. He obviously also grooms my hair while I am asleep because I wake up with my hair looking like Cameron Diaz's in Something About Mary.

My previous cat, Nick, only rarely did this, and usually it coincided with me being very unhappy. When my dad died, I was lying on the bed crying, and Nick climbed onto the bed and licked my eyebrows and forehead. Maybe he was trying to soothe me, I don't know. He did the same when I was feeling low and miserable after my cancer diagnosis.

Murphy, on the other hand, is like a four-legged, furry Vidal Sassoon. And the grooming extends to friends. He loves to groom Trixi's hair when she visits.

So, is he just a weird cat, or does anyone else have this happen with their cats?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 23, 2013, 03:17:45 PM
Any cat that attempted to groom my hair would quickly become a frisbee.  I don't mind cats but yuck.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 23, 2013, 03:28:34 PM
My cat will groom me and sometimes tries to groom the other cat.  He's not insane about it though.  I don't think he actually enjoys it that much, it's more of a politeness thing.  Like a way of saying "Hi" or whatever.  If you take your body part away, he just kind of shrugs like "Suit yourself" and then grooms himself.

My friend's cat will sit and lick him or other people for pretty much as long as you can stand it.  Her favorite thing is to climb up on the top of a couch and then lick the top of your head.  If you move your head away from the seat back so she can't get to it, she'll meow.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on August 23, 2013, 03:42:52 PM
Cat from my childhood would wake me up occasionally by licking my hair.

Our current cat will lick your fingers sometimes if you let him, but usually that only happens if you stick your fingers in the way of where he is already grooming himself.  Other than that, no.

But he will attack the shit out of you if you are going up the stairs, as a game... usually at bedtime, maybe a couple of times a month he does this to me.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: luisterpaul on August 23, 2013, 06:41:58 PM
But he will attack the shit out of you if you are going up the stairs, as a game... usually at bedtime, maybe a couple of times a month he does this to me.
I used to live in a second floor apartment with a staircase down to the front door. My cat would wait on the second stair from the top for me to come around the bannister so he could attack me. One time I saw him coming for me and I dodged out of the way at the last second. He meowed loudly in annoyance and ran off. He never attempted it again.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on August 23, 2013, 09:47:12 PM
My first cat would sleep above my head and groom my hair.  She did that as long as she lived.  There's also a cat at the shelter who is quite content to groom my hands and arms for as long as I let her...I think we hit 45 minutes one time. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on August 24, 2013, 12:32:52 AM
My demon cat does one lick on the leg, then moves on.
My sweet, angelic cat who is super whiny will lick my fingers, but would rather I use said fingers to open the cat food.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on August 26, 2013, 08:50:59 AM
I used to have a cat who would wrap his paws up in my hair and go to sleep. Linus used to chew on my hair but then I switched styling products and (apparently) my hair didn't taste good anymore so he stopped. My Sister had a cat who would lick your hair, he was fond of my Brother-in-law's short hair and would lick his head any chance he got.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: luisterpaul on August 26, 2013, 09:20:14 AM
(http://anticache.img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/cat-cats-funny-848730.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 26, 2013, 08:07:15 PM
There is a lot of cat drama going on in my section of the office right now.  We've developed a sort of cat circle to deal with it.

The person whose cat is basically on death watch from chronic renal failure and probably won't make it through the month talks about it to the person whose cat probably has about six months to live due to an enlarged heart.  She in turn, talks about her cat to me because my cat has about a year before he dies of cancer. 

I get to complain/sob about my cat to the person in the office who just got a brand new kitten.  In return, I let her tell me all her happy kitten stories because my cat is the least close to death and besides I have another cat left and plus I'm a dude, so her happy kitten stories won't make me cry.  And she should have someone to tell happy kitten stories to.

So it kind of all matches up where everyone gets their cat-stuff off their chest, but you don't have the happy person bumming out the sad person or vice versa.  Everyone talks to the person closest to their level.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on August 26, 2013, 09:15:56 PM
Yikes. That makes it sound like all cats do is die.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on August 27, 2013, 06:44:08 AM
Wow. That's a lot of sad kitty stuff for one office. Sorry ZK. At least you get happy kitten stories to offset some of the feline misery.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2013, 02:48:20 PM
(http://anticache.img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/cat-cats-funny-848730.jpeg)

Paul...I need to point out that this image is by far the funniest thing I've seen all week. I really can't stop giggling.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: juggles on August 27, 2013, 03:03:23 PM
One of our cats is prone to biting my ankles when I get out of the shower. It's painful and annoying.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on August 27, 2013, 03:22:21 PM

Paul...I need to point out that this image is by far the funniest thing I've seen all week. I really can't stop giggling.
x2
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: c-lando on August 27, 2013, 04:35:39 PM
http://www.etsy.com/listing/152943910/80s-cheezy-pet-portraits?ref=sr_gallery_2&sref=sr_e3f737e3748408ffd346a87ba705e35bcc06577ad4dd505b8dc89e314d3ff0d0_1377635668_14240901_dog&ga_search_query=dog+in+space&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=US&ga_search_type=all
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: luisterpaul on August 27, 2013, 06:18:49 PM

Paul...I need to point out that this image is by far the funniest thing I've seen all week. I really can't stop giggling.
x2
x3

I love this pic.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Jen on August 29, 2013, 01:23:22 PM
My cat is both a biter AND a licker. The biting thing is kind of new though. When he wants his food, he wants in an hour ago. I will be getting ready in the morning and he'll lick my feet then take a nibble on my ankle. He does this while I am making his food too. I constantly remind him he shouldn't bite the person who feeds him. He is usually a licker/groomer when he wakes us up in the morning. He will lick your face, your forehead, your hair...anything above the covers. Mark is always joking that he doesn't need a shower now that Barley has "washed" his hair (let me reiterate joking ;) ).

Dan, your cat tree looks a lot like the one we bought our cats (yours has an extra tower I think). We put it in the living room in hopes they would hang out with us plus they get a birds eye view of the hummingbird feeders. Before we bought the tree, we bought them a window perch. (http://www.amazon.com/Deluxe-Window-Perch-Assorted-Colors/dp/B000634JP8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377796506&sr=8-1&keywords=cat+window+perch) They use all three (two perches and one tree) at different times but they definitely love being elevated and looking out at their fishbowl view of the world. Actually, the tree, even though it sits next to the sliding glass door to the patio, is one of the many items of their obstacle course when they chase each other around the apartment at a million miles an hour. I would say it is a good investment. Our Peggy would have been a tree climber if she were an outdoor cat. She loves to pull herself up paw over paw like she is climbing a rope. She is so laid back but probably the silliest cat of the two when she gets into crazy cat mode.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 29, 2013, 01:50:07 PM
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Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on August 29, 2013, 10:41:22 PM
Question for the group:

Last week, Mimic (recovering from that flea episode, if you recall) started eating less and less. I was really getting worried. The flea problem seems settled, thankfully (for now anyway--knock on wood). I bought a couple of cans of wet food, which Mimic has never eaten but I know is pretty much irresistible for cats. I was about to give him wet food but then I noticed his appetite came back.

So now I have 3 cans of wet food sitting there. Here is the dilemma: do I give him the wet food, since I bought it, or not, since I've never given it to him before? My fear is that if I do give him the wet food, he'll just love it and then will expect more, even though I have no intention of buying more., which you could say would be a cruel thing to do. I imagine it'd be like for us getting a delicious cheeseburger a few times, when we've never had it, and then be withdrawn from it again.

I need a cat-whisperer's thoughts on this.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 30, 2013, 12:07:08 AM
Your cat doesn't get to eat human food which is what he wants more than anything in the world.  So I doubt that not eating wet catfood is really going to alter things for him. 

One of my cats tries to hold out for wet catfood.  If I feed him dry, he doesn't eat all of it trying to save his appetite for the good stuff.  But if I don't give him a can of wet stuff, eventually he gets hungry enough and eats the kibble and he's fine.

It's not a big deal to me one way or the other.  You can donate the cans of wet catfood or just toss it, it's not like you wasted huge sums of money on it.  But you can give it to him as well and it will be fine.

Not all cats like wet cat food.  It smells awesome to them, so they'll definitely be excited to at least taste it.  But cats are also weird about not liking their routine changed.  And if they don't eat it all right when you put it out, then it starts to smell funky and then you have to throw it away.

It's not like canned cat food goes bad.  So maybe you can save it until next time the cat feels sick and you need to encourage him to eat.






Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on August 30, 2013, 01:06:13 AM
My cat gets wet cat food as a treat.  I know it's silly, but he gets it on his birthday and holidays.  While he does enjoy it, he does not then beg for it and refuse to eat his dry food.  So you could do something like that for Mimic.  Or you can drop them off at my car the next time you pass it downtown and I'll take them to the cat shelter I volunteer at :) 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on August 30, 2013, 06:50:34 AM
Or you can drop them off at my car the next time you pass it downtown and I'll take them to the cat shelter I volunteer at :)
^This. I have a bunch of canned food that I bought shortly before Linus passed, it's going to the shelter when my company has it's volunteer day there in a couple weeks. Might as well give it to someone who'll use it rather than letting it gather dust in your cupboards.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on August 30, 2013, 09:06:50 AM
I don't think 3 cans is enough to make him permanently altered.

I feed my cat wet food in the morning and dry food at night. He goes right after the wet food, but then eats only about half of it. If I mix in some Fancy Feast wet food with it he'll eat more (he's addicted to that junk food) but generally he does not eat all of his wet. This is to say - you don't know until you try. And personally, I don't think it's a big deal. He might enjoy it as a treat.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on August 30, 2013, 04:07:49 PM
My cat gets wet cat food as a treat.  I know it's silly, but he gets it on his birthday and holidays. 
That is what I used to do with my previous cat. It'd be the "stocking stuffer" par exellence  ;D

I think I'm going to let Mimic taste the evil wet food and it'll prob go to his peanut-sized brain like crack cocain and I'll be secretly sitting there watching him enjoy his rare treat. Then it's back to reality.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on September 05, 2013, 11:43:45 AM
One of our cats is prone to biting my ankles when I get out of the shower. It's painful and annoying.

a nice kick to the testicles is all it takes.  oh wait... 

in other cat related news, yesterday while having my morning beer, i heard the two going at it in our bedroom.  i just started to watch some vintage porn on my laptop and had to see what the raucous was.  here berny was atop a ladder (we do keep a ladder in our bedroom) and squishface was clung to an upper rung and they were duking it out.  it was hilarious.  hair was flying everywhere.  it's not often i say it, but i was glad i had to put my pants back on.  berny had a nice battle wound that i cleaned with a dirty sock. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 05, 2013, 02:12:09 PM
i just started to watch some vintage porn on my laptop

it's not often i say it, but i was glad i had to put my pants back on.

OOOOOOOooookay
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: foolsgold on September 05, 2013, 03:01:40 PM
Just out of curiosity, what era is vintage porn?  I'm 40 and would consider that late 70's/early 80's hairy, dirty feet porn to be vintage, but does someone in their 20's consider the airbrushed and glamor shot backdrops 90's porn vintage? 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on September 06, 2013, 09:43:41 AM
i'm in my younger 30's and would consider the 70's and prior of the golden age of video pornography. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Cockney Rebel on September 06, 2013, 10:21:15 AM
i'm in my younger 30's and would consider the 70's and prior of the golden age of video pornography.
I am considerably older, grew up with the porn of the 70's and deem it the very best. By a million zillion bazillion miles.

The women all looked like women, even if they did all look like they were giving birth to Don Cornelius 'down there'
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on September 06, 2013, 11:12:56 AM
even if they did all look like they were giving birth to Don Cornelius 'down there'
Now there's an image that will never leave me.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on September 06, 2013, 02:09:31 PM
i'm in my younger 30's and would consider the 70's and prior of the golden age of video pornography.
I am considerably older, grew up with the porn of the 70's and deem it the very best. By a million zillion bazillion miles.

The women all looked like women, even if they did all look like they were giving birth to Don Cornelius 'down there'

clearly the 70's is the beautiful era of porn.  there were stories dammit.  and dammit if them weren't good stories.  they weren't the caliber of robert zemeckis stories, but i wouldn't want robert zemeckis directing a porno... dammit.  there's just so many classic locations to shoot a porno and the 70's did it good.  like at a mechanic shop.  "you see that crank shaft needs to be lubed."  "oh.  it does?  well, what if i lube and crank your shaft."  "was that a question?  that doesn't make any sen.....  ohhh.  ohhhhh!"  but there is more build up. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: adyonka on September 06, 2013, 02:22:17 PM
One of my cats has taken to vocalizing a whole lot more than he used to. I can't figure out what he wants other than attention. However, he tends to crave attention in the middle of the night. Any suggestions on how to curb this behavior?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on September 06, 2013, 02:35:10 PM
close your bedroom door, earplugs, peter gabriel
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on September 06, 2013, 02:47:37 PM
One of my books said that if you want to curb vocalizing you basically need to react in the opposite way they want. If he wants attention, then when he meows make sure you don't give him any...don't look at him, don't verbally respond, don't do anything. And make sure there's a notable amount of time before you look at him again (I can't remember how much...maybe 10 mins?).

I can't say much about the middle of the night. The books say that if your cat is active in the middle of the night it means that the cat was not active enough during the day. Play with your cat for at least 15 minutes in the evening. If possible, another 15 minutes before going to bed and get him as active as you can. He'll sleep more that night.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on September 06, 2013, 04:26:53 PM
close your bedroom door, earplugs, peter gabriel
on the contrary: open your door and invite the cat into your bed and curl up against ya. Kittie will be purrrring and be happpppy.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on September 17, 2013, 12:16:56 PM
My cat keeps getting his collar off. The first one was a breakaway collar, because those are supposed to be safer, but after he destroyed it rather quickly I bought one without the breakaway. The latch is pretty lame, so if he works at it enough he can just get the collar to come off. It takes about 2 or 3 weeks, but this is the third time he has been successful.

Any recommendations on how to get him to stop hating the collar? Or any recommendations on a non-breakaway collar to purchase?



For the record, he's an indoor cat, but if he were to ever get out I'd want him to have a collar on so that someone might get him back to me.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: c-lando on September 17, 2013, 12:30:36 PM

For the record, he's an indoor cat, but if he were to ever get out I'd want him to have a collar on so that someone might get him back to me.
Has he been microchipped? If not, it's something you might want to consider.
Luna (our oldest dog) ran away on Thanksgiving the first year we had her. She left her collar behind when she ran away (no evidence!). We thought we'd never get her back. We got a call the next morning that she was at the pound and they got our info off of her microchip.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: foolsgold on September 17, 2013, 12:31:11 PM
Have you considered microchipping him if he doesn't like the collar thing?  Is the possibility of the cat escaping that great or are you just covering your bases?

Edited: Oops, Lando's wisdom is faster than mine.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on September 17, 2013, 01:15:09 PM
He is microchipped, too. Does that mean I'm being too paranoid and don't need to worry about the collar? I was under the impression that if someone saw a cat outside without a collar they'd see it as a stray and just leave it. If it was outside with a collar they might try to check the collar to see if the cat should be out or not. Is this wrong?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: c-lando on September 17, 2013, 01:22:26 PM
He is microchipped, too. Does that mean I'm being too paranoid and don't need to worry about the collar? I was under the impression that if someone saw a cat outside without a collar they'd see it as a stray and just leave it. If it was outside with a collar they might try to check the collar to see if the cat should be out or not. Is this wrong?
No. You still always want a collar. Sorry. I was just wanting to make sure you had him microchipped as a worst case scenario solution. But, you still definitely want a collar. That way any Joe Schmoe can tell that he belongs to someone and hopefully they'll look up your phone # and call you to tell you that they found him. But, I'll leave it to the cat people to give you a better collar idea for kitties.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on September 17, 2013, 02:02:49 PM
My cats used to have collars.  They were cloth and they were really good.  I don't remember what happened with them.  I think the cloth started getting too ripped up and all dirty so I bought some new ones.  Except the new ones that I bought came off.  And every other collar I have bought since then they just shed as well.  Usually within a day.

But really, if the first collars were supposed to be "breakaway" and obviously my cats try like hell to get collars to breakaway then maybe the collars weren't so good in the first place.  They just weren't working correctly and were essentially non-breakaway collars.

So yeah, I just gave up and now neither of my cats have collars.  I'd rather have them go without collars than put non-breakaway collars on them.

The one thing I have that might be helpful is this:  the first collars I had were cloth.  the others I tried were that nylon-y webbing stuff like the ones you get at PetSmart or whatever.  It is quite possible the cats found that nylon stuff to be chafe-y.  I know I would.  So perhaps the cloth collars WERE doing their job but it's just the cats didn't mind them so much and weren't constantly trying to pull them off.

So maybe if you look for something that looks more comfortable than the nylon webbing ones you might have better luck.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 17, 2013, 02:58:04 PM
I bet he couldn't get a zip tie off...

No, I'm not serious.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: eyeball on September 17, 2013, 08:32:12 PM
my cats won't wear collars. I didn't start them early enough and now they say fuck you. Powder (rip) took off one day, I had no idea she had gotten out. I just couldn't find her in the house...she was just gone. 11 days later...she was out by our garage. she had been living in a storm drain. I was so glad to get her back for a few more years before she died at 14. :(

Now...Ziggy (also heading towards that magic 14 number soon) has been jumping out the door the moment he can but he is always outside the door at some point later...crying. He knows where the food is and is a bit more 'pussy' than Powder was. lol. He has his claws and now that he brought friggin fleas into the house...he has flea crap on him too. ugh. GD fleas...seriously first time I have ever had the damn things.

Cassie (whom I picked up from the scratching post in Powder's absence...really I thought she had ran off to die. :( ) came to us chipped.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on September 17, 2013, 09:43:50 PM
you may want to try a harness instead of a collar (since he keeps getting out of those).  Now, my cat is a drama king when I put his on, but after it's on, he's fine. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on September 17, 2013, 11:40:43 PM
you may want to try a harness instead of a collar
why not put on a chastity belt while you're at it  :P
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on September 18, 2013, 09:16:57 PM
Thought about putting this in the library thread...

http://jezebel.com/this-cat-works-at-a-library-like-as-an-employee-1337487970 (http://jezebel.com/this-cat-works-at-a-library-like-as-an-employee-1337487970)

It's in Russian, but the comments are decent.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Jen on October 16, 2013, 01:33:18 PM
So had a little scare yesterday that reminded me that even if you think you'll know what your cats like to play with vs eat, always good to be on the safe side.

So the alarm goes off at 4 and decided immediately that I was pushing that back to 5. I felt an urge though and got up and as soon as I was walking towards the bathroom, I hear Barley run up next to me (per usual every morning) but this time heard him making a noise that kind of sounded like a cough. I knew something was wrong but wasn't quite prepared to see what I did when I turned the light on. If you have ever had the Da Bird toy, then you'll know how the toy has a long string attached to a wand with the feathers on the other end of the string. Well, we haven't had a bird toy in months since the last time I bought one and OCD Barley destroyed the toy in about five minutes because he is so obsessed with that toy (in an unhealthy way IMO). So, anyway, I turned the light on and I see about half of the string dangling out of his mouth as he is is gagging on it. I pulled it out and thankfully the plastic part where the feather was attached was not the part he had swallowed, it was just the knotted end that had been attached to the stick. Poor guy scared the crap out of me. He seemed okay if a bit subdued. The thing is, I still have no idea where he found that stupid string. The only thing I can think of is that I still have a wand that I need to throw away that I had put up on my bookshelf because it is becoming splintered and I didn't want him choking on the fiberglass or whatever it is made out of. I didn't think it still had the string attached but perhaps it did and he managed to yank it off without dislodging the wand. Anyway, we went through the cat toy box and took out anything we thought they might decide to eat and threw that away. I was paranoid all day that he might have eaten something on the string but he seems just fine so I think it was just the string. I am so glad I got out of bed as I not sure I would have heard him coughing/gagging if I had gone right back to bed.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on October 16, 2013, 02:53:04 PM
Oh Jen! How scary for you and Barley! Thank goodness he is OK.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on October 17, 2013, 06:26:59 AM
Oh Jen! That is so scary! I am glad that Barley is okay.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on October 17, 2013, 10:42:57 AM
at Skyline today for lunch, I put in my order (to go): 2 cheese coneys, no onions, with extreme cheese. The next person ordered 2 cheese coneys, no mustard.

Got back to my office and much to my surprise and dismay, they screwed up and gave me the other person's order, so now I have onions (instead of mustard) and regular cheese (instead of extreme).

What to do:

1. Walk back to Skyline and insist on getting the correct order (that will take about 15 min. back-and-forth when all is said and done).

2. Grin and ignore, and eat the cheese coneys, onions and regular cheese be damned.

3. Throw them out and go hungry until I get home. Or keep them to give to my cat, and still go hungry till I get home.

4. Send out an SOS to whoever has my order and arrange to meet up and exchange.

What says ye?
Jen, sorry to hear about this and I hope Barley is better.

If all else fails: feed him Skyline (see option 3). It never fails to cure whatever ails.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on October 17, 2013, 10:52:43 AM
Hah. I had Skyline delivered a few weeks ago, and the other day I saw my cat eat people food for the first time ever and you guessed it - it was a few licks of my bowl that had Skyline in it.

We've tried to give him everything - meat, veggies, munchies, you name it - and he's always sniffed at it and then turned away. But the Skyline bowl he went up to on his own and sniffed for a few seconds and then actually started licking. I was stunned.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on October 17, 2013, 10:53:42 AM
This is because Skyline is a close cousin to cat food.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on October 17, 2013, 02:06:10 PM
This is because Skyline is a close cousin to cat food.

This coming from a vegetarian? I don't think I can trust your sources.

:p
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: juggles on October 17, 2013, 02:47:47 PM
So had a little scare yesterday that reminded me that even if you think you'll know what your cats like to play with vs eat, always good to be on the safe side.

So the alarm goes off at 4 and decided immediately that I was pushing that back to 5. I felt an urge though and got up and as soon as I was walking towards the bathroom, I hear Barley run up next to me (per usual every morning) but this time heard him making a noise that kind of sounded like a cough. I knew something was wrong but wasn't quite prepared to see what I did when I turned the light on. If you have ever had the Da Bird toy, then you'll know how the toy has a long string attached to a wand with the feathers on the other end of the string. Well, we haven't had a bird toy in months since the last time I bought one and OCD Barley destroyed the toy in about five minutes because he is so obsessed with that toy (in an unhealthy way IMO). So, anyway, I turned the light on and I see about half of the string dangling out of his mouth as he is is gagging on it. I pulled it out and thankfully the plastic part where the feather was attached was not the part he had swallowed, it was just the knotted end that had been attached to the stick. Poor guy scared the crap out of me. He seemed okay if a bit subdued. The thing is, I still have no idea where he found that stupid string. The only thing I can think of is that I still have a wand that I need to throw away that I had put up on my bookshelf because it is becoming splintered and I didn't want him choking on the fiberglass or whatever it is made out of. I didn't think it still had the string attached but perhaps it did and he managed to yank it off without dislodging the wand. Anyway, we went through the cat toy box and took out anything we thought they might decide to eat and threw that away. I was paranoid all day that he might have eaten something on the string but he seems just fine so I think it was just the string. I am so glad I got out of bed as I not sure I would have heard him coughing/gagging if I had gone right back to bed.

Our lesser cat Yum-yum is a chronic string eater. We try to keep things out of her reach but she finds all kinds of stuff. I've picked all sorts of things out of the litter box that had no business ever being inside a cat. Not good for her, or course, but she's been doing it for years. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Jen on October 18, 2013, 04:11:17 PM


Our lesser cat Yum-yum is a chronic string eater. We try to keep things out of her reach but she finds all kinds of stuff. I've picked all sorts of things out of the litter box that had no business ever being inside a cat. Not good for her, or course, but she's been doing it for years.

I think Barley did that with some my crochet yarn once. It wasn't quite as long as this toy string thank goodness. ;) Usually, I find their toys in the poop box. Barley LOVES twist ties. We have the gardening ones that come on a spool so you can make them whatever length you want. He bats those all over the place and all I can think of is that he is batting that thing around and gets an urge and leaves it behind him in the box (he doesn't eat it). Yeah, those things go in the trash!

Another odd thing regarding the litter box. We have two cats and two boxes. They both use them equally and without issue but every now and again I find that they both only use one of them. Now, we do have the giant boxes but still. I thought cats like their boxes clean so I would think that if they have another box and it hasn't been used since it was cleaned, they would go to that one. Oh well, it is easier for me when I only have to clean one! (The boxes sit right next to each other)
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on October 18, 2013, 04:49:21 PM
I woke up this morning to hear one of the cats puking. :/ And I can't find where it is. Gross. just gross.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on October 18, 2013, 11:48:41 PM
I woke up this morning to hear one of the cats puking. :/ And I can't find where it is. Gross. just gross.
Speaking of which... Mimic had been doing wonderfully well for a long time, and then about 2-3 weeks ago, he started puking. Everywhere. Why oh why? I haven't changed anything as to his eating habits or anything. Most of my house is carpeted, so even when I clean it up it's leaving a stain. Sigh. That said, it's nothing permanent. I have the carpet cleaners come in once every 6 months or so and they clean out all the stains somehow, bless them. But meanwhile until I get them back, there are multiple stains. I love Mimic, but buddy, tell me, why did you start puking again? Is it something I said? LOL
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: juggles on October 19, 2013, 01:23:48 PM
I think my cats puke recreationally.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on October 21, 2013, 12:17:26 PM
My cat sometimes pukes when he eats. I assume it's "eats too much" or "eats too fast" but I haven't really paid enough attention to know for sure. Might that help?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Jen on October 21, 2013, 02:36:39 PM
Barley also pukes when he eats and I think it is because he eats too fast so we split up his portion and feed him in two feedings, about a half hour apart. That has seemed to help. Though, if he is shedding, it might not matter and he still might puke.

Is your cat shedding Euro? The winter coats seem to be growing in on our two and as I petted Barley last night, I noticed that he had loads of older fur flying everywhere. Perhaps try brushing to see if that helps?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on October 21, 2013, 03:09:36 PM
Nope, he's not shedding. At least not that I can tell. He is a short-haired cat, and never sheds much at all.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on November 02, 2013, 11:49:17 AM
anyone know of a good cat-friendly paint?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: juggles on November 03, 2013, 02:33:35 PM
anyone know of a good cat-friendly paint?
What color are you wanting to paint your cat?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on November 04, 2013, 03:09:38 PM
anyone know of a good cat-friendly paint?
What color are you wanting to paint your cat?

does it matter?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on November 04, 2013, 05:13:55 PM
I got home a couple hours early today (yay!) and one of the cats started whining immediately, and would not stop until I fed him. I don't know if it's the time change or what... or if he whines all day while I'm away. I'm suspicious that it's the latter, because he is that annoying.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on November 18, 2013, 09:10:10 AM
Question: how often do you guys scoop the litter box? Also, please qualify this answer with how many cats you have and how many boxes.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on November 18, 2013, 09:35:00 AM
1 cat, 1 box, usually get to it once a week.  Sometimes the dogs get to it before I do.  I'm sure you can figure out why.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on November 18, 2013, 09:39:51 AM
1 cat, 1 box, usually get to it once a week.  Sometimes the dogs get to it before I do.  I'm sure you can figure out why.

Gross
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: cuddlyevil on November 18, 2013, 10:17:32 AM
When we had two cats, we had two boxes--they used one for pee and one for poop. I tried to scoop them daily and fully change out the litter once a week.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on November 18, 2013, 11:30:03 AM
One cat, one box. Scooped out at least three times per day - first thing each morning, once in the afternoon and once more before we go to bed.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on November 18, 2013, 12:46:11 PM
Two cats, two boxes.

The one downstairs I scoop everyday when I get home.  I would usually but not always scoop it in the morning before I left for work.  And if they poop while I'm watching or eating dinner, I'll also scoop just because it stinks.  So I'd say that box at a minimum gets scooped once a day, and on average 2-3 times.

The one upstairs I'm not as diligent about.  Usually someone will have pooped in it by the time I get home from work, so I'll scoop it because it smells.  And again, if I'm upstairs and someone poops and it stinks I will scoop.  But they don't use that box as often, and sometimes they only pee in it.  So I'm sure there have been plenty of occasions where it's gone 2 or even 3 days without scooping.

That was in the old days.  Now I scoop both boxes like 3-4 times a day, because the whole house stinks like cat diahrrea.  They both poop constantly, it always stinks horribly, and they meow like "WTF did I just do?!?" everytime they poo so I mean, it's not like there's a decision made on my part.  I scoop for self-preservation. 

All I can do is just hope that the poo is in a scoopable form.   Otherwise, I just bury it in as much crystal as possible and it hopefully hardens into a crystalline pancake form that can be semi-disposed of.  And I change the litter in both once a week if not more, whereas I used to be able to go 2 or 3 weeks.

Basically I measure my day to day happiness nowadays by the solidity of my cats' turds.  If they are solid, not only is it much less gross to scoop, but my house gets some relief from the stink.  Plus, as a bonus that means my cats might be able to live just that much longer.

This weekend was a bad poo weekend.  I had some minor oral surgery done so I took Thursday and Friday off.  During the entire four day weekend, I did not get one solid.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Homsar on November 18, 2013, 01:14:21 PM
1 cat, 1 box, usually get to it once a week.  Sometimes the dogs get to it before I do.  I'm sure you can figure out why.

And people let dogs lick their faces.  Cats > dogs.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on November 18, 2013, 04:04:58 PM
Sorry to hear all that, ZK. Poor cats. Poor you.

So what it's sounding like is that the rate of repeated scooping varies wildly. Generally once a day or once every two days, but if I can stand it then there's no hurry?

Basically, I've been scooping once a day (one cat, two boxes) and this weekend my roommate was supposed to take care of the cat. He fed him and looked after him, but when I went to scoop last night it was clear the roommate hadn't scooped at all. And the cat was fine. It was a little stinky near the one box but this cat like the covered box so that keeps the stink down a bit.

I'm wondering if I've been over zealous with my cleaning, but it sounds like I was average? I am not even sure.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on November 18, 2013, 04:40:33 PM
If you don't scoop the litter box enough, the cat will stop using it and find someplace else.  Some cats are more picky about their litter box being clean than others. 

Neither of mine are too picky.  Although the dirtier it gets the more they kick the litter around to try and find a fresh place and cover up the dirty ones so you get a lot of liter spillage.

The thing is, once your cat goes outside the litter box they start peeing in that same spot and it's REALLY hard to get them to stop.  It's a total nightmare.  You can spend 2-3 hours using that enzyme stuff and a blacklight and think you've wiped out every last scent of pee but your cat might still come and pee there again. 

My friend has 3 litter boxes for one cat, because her cat absolutely will not use a litter box with poo in it.  The cat will hold it in, so like 95% of the time she only has to scoop out the one box.  Every once in a while, I guess two.  Third one is emergency.  But she's willing to throw a litter box in a room just to avoid ever having her cat go outside the box.

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on November 18, 2013, 04:47:23 PM
Yeah, I got the 2nd box because he was peeing in my bathtub from time to time. It went on like this for a couple of months, and the 2nd box was part of my multi-faceted attack on this issue. He hasn't used the bathtub since maybe April, though, so I think we're good to go now. However, I had just gotten him in February and then went away for a week (moving him to a sitter's place) in March, so all this disruption might have been the reason. He hasn't done it since things settled down into routine for him.

The big test, I guess, will be next week when he goes back to the sitter's place for the Thanksgiving holiday. Oh well. I guess I'll keep scooping once a day, but if I forget I won't sweat it either.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on November 18, 2013, 07:56:25 PM
I try to scoop once a day, and it would be better if I scooped 2x a day, but I just don't do it. They are good about good about only using the box, though.

2 cats, 1 litter box.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on November 18, 2013, 10:59:21 PM
I have one cat and change the litter box every Wednesday evening of the week, that's it. No scooping in between. And it seems to have worked well with my current cat and my previous cats.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Cockney Rebel on November 19, 2013, 08:54:17 PM
I scoop Murphy's litter box pretty much every time I walk past it. I reckon this fastidiousness prevents him - but occasionally doesn't _stop_ him, necessarily - from doing his business elsewhere. I have also noticed that he's keen to use the box immediately after MK or I have scoop it, so he's one of those cats who doesn't like scrambling around in his own poop and dried out clumped-up piss. If I was a cat, neither would I.

We pile the litter high then swap the box completely out when the level of that litter it has reached a point where he cant cover everything properly. I clean and disinfect the entire area around the box, pop down the fresh box with clean unsoiled fresh litter then leave the old box to soak in the utility sink for a while before scrubbing and disinfecting it and leaving it to dry ready for the next swap out.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on November 20, 2013, 11:12:53 AM
In an ironic twist, my cat peed in the bathtub yesterday. For the first time in months and months.

I suspect two possible causes
1) I didn't scoop last night as usual, but this theory is probably debunked because the pee was pretty dried up when I found it, so I think this happened yesterday and not last night.
2) I was gone Friday night and Saturday night and he was expressing his anger at me?

I don't know. That's pretty much the only reasons I can think of. What the hell, cat. Jerkface.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 20, 2013, 11:20:57 AM
We pile the litter high then swap the box completely out when the level of that litter it has reached a point where he cant cover everything properly. I clean and disinfect the entire area around the box, pop down the fresh box with clean unsoiled fresh litter then leave the old box to soak in the utility sink for a while before scrubbing and disinfecting it and leaving it to dry ready for the next swap out.

And this is why we don't have pets.  We have a hard enough time keeping the place that we shit clean.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on November 20, 2013, 05:39:31 PM
what sort of litter y'all be using?  my mother swears by fresh step so that's what i use.  though lately, it seems like the piss aint' clumpin' like it used to. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: luisterpaul on November 20, 2013, 06:30:23 PM
We use wood pellets. They turn to sawdust when peed on, and you can just flush it down the toilet.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: crewbilly on November 20, 2013, 06:39:41 PM
7 cats with 7 boxes scooped twice a day . . . all boxes scrub out once a month
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on November 21, 2013, 07:32:03 AM
what sort of litter y'all be using?  my mother swears by fresh step so that's what i use.  though lately, it seems like the piss aint' clumpin' like it used to. 

This.  Seems to still work fine for me, anything else seems to smell if you don't clean it constantly.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on November 21, 2013, 08:31:11 AM
When I had Linus, I used the scoopable Arm & Hammer stuff. I tried to grab the fragrance free variety since it seemed to smell less than the others. I'd added a bit of baking soda to the bottom of the box before I put the fresh litter in and mix some in the little in-between changes if the box seemed to be getting stinky. It seemed to do the trick. I have a friend who swears by the pine stuff but the texture wasn't something my kitty was cool with.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on November 21, 2013, 12:11:26 PM
I use Dr. Elsey's Precious Cat Ultra Scoopable Litter (http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754842) although I truly don't know if this is good or not. It (usually) works for me, it was the first one I tried, and that was the end of that.

But perhaps I should try other stuff to see what I like and what the cat likes the best? I don't know.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on November 21, 2013, 02:43:09 PM
We use Tidy Cat.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on November 21, 2013, 04:38:14 PM
anyone got a cat(s) who use the crapper?  if i wasn't so damn lazy i'd figger out a way
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on November 21, 2013, 07:26:07 PM
We don't, but someone I know had a cat who used the toilet. They didn't train the cat to do it; it was a shelter rescue kitty and they reckon his previous owner taught him to do it.

They had no idea the cat knew how to use the toilet (the cat only peed in it, never #2) and for about the first month or so after the cat came to live with them, they thought one of their three daughters wasn't flushing. They had many a discussion with the girls about proper toilet etiquette, and were really upset that it kept happening.

It wasn't until the whole family went away for the weekend and came home to a toilet full of pee that the penny dropped and they figured out it was the cat.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on November 28, 2013, 12:52:32 PM
We don't, but someone I know had a cat who used the toilet. They didn't train the cat to do it; it was a shelter rescue kitty and they reckon his previous owner taught him to do it.

They had no idea the cat knew how to use the toilet (the cat only peed in it, never #2) and for about the first month or so after the cat came to live with them, they thought one of their three daughters wasn't flushing. They had many a discussion with the girls about proper toilet etiquette, and were really upset that it kept happening.

It wasn't until the whole family went away for the weekend and came home to a toilet full of pee that the penny dropped and they figured out it was the cat.

man, oh man.  i hate cat piss.  what a pleasant surprise it would be if i found squishface or berny to have already been potty trained.  maybe i can find a groupon. 

how do y'all get a cat to stop scratching shit like couches and rugs?  i sorta remedied our situation with the couch by throwing colorful blankets on it.  the rug and it's not ours is pretty much in terrible condition on some parts.  i heard pepper works, but does it?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: juggles on November 28, 2013, 10:31:45 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/cats-recognise-their-owners-voices-but-never-evolved-to-care-says-study-8966580.html
Cats recognise their owners' voices but never evolved to care, says study
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on November 29, 2013, 12:51:21 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/cats-recognise-their-owners-voices-but-never-evolved-to-care-says-study-8966580.html
Cats recognise their owners' voices but never evolved to care, says study

huh
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on December 01, 2013, 04:44:35 PM
how do y'all get a cat to stop scratching shit like couches and rugs?  i sorta remedied our situation with the couch by throwing colorful blankets on it.  the rug and it's not ours is pretty much in terrible condition on some parts.  i heard pepper works, but does it?

I don't think you really get a cat to flat out stop scratching - this is a natural behavior that both helps their claws out and marks their territory. If there is a piece of furniture in particular that you don't want scratched there are things you can do, though. First off, make sure that there are alternative scratching posts or pads or whatnot for the cat to still use. Second, I read that if you can put an alternative post out, put it near the item that you want left alone. Then if the cat uses that, slowly over the course of two weeks move the new post farther and farther away until you get it in the place you prefer.

They also sell scratching deterrent that you can purchase. I bought a spray and didn't use it very much. Thus, it didn't work very well. I think if I used it more it might have been more effective.

I also heard that you can put something like packing tape onto the couch or whatever so the surface is no longer appealing to scratch. The problem here would be that if you take the tape off the cat would probably resume the scratching.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Jen on December 31, 2013, 11:07:14 AM
Keeping their nails trimmed helps a lot as well.

Our poor Barley caught a Christmas cold this year and pretty much had us in a near panic this past weekend. He sounded terrible...sneezing, coughing and you could hear his breathing across the room he was so stuffy. We were almost at the point of taking him to Care or MedVet but went out and bought a humidifier and put him in a steamy bathroom twice (he hated it). Thankfully, those two things seemed to have done the trick and he is back to his typical little boy mischievous ways. He has feline herpes so I am just thankful it was borderline URI vs a full blown case where his eye was all messed up again. I hope he never gets that bad again...I thought he was going to go blind it was so red and swollen. :(
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on December 31, 2013, 01:40:32 PM
What the annoying little bastards are up to now:

Just after Thankgsiving they went off their wet food, don't know why. So, I switched to something else before Christmas. Got word from the cat sitter that they were eating it all. Came back, and now they will only eat the gravy portion, leaving the food part behind.

They are still eating their dry food, so it's not like they are starving or anything, but it's annoying that I'll have to find something else for them to eat. Again.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on January 22, 2014, 01:35:39 PM
so squishface and berny were clamorin' for food and i notice that there water dish was about empty.  i superficially clean it and set it back down full of water.  i take a piss.  i glance towards them while i'm pissing and they're just staring at the water dish like they'd be pleasantly shocked if it would turn in to a heaping mass of cat food but weren't keeping their hopes up.  if you aren't chuckling i'm explaining it wrong or it wasn't that funny or both
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on January 23, 2014, 10:34:57 AM
That sounds like my cat, too.

Do your cats follow you around wherever you go? I only have these places that I can be in my apartment: bedroom, kitchen, couch, hallway, or bathroom. My cat follows me to wherever I am. It's kind of cute, but after the initial phase wore off now I think it's creepy. Both in his obsession with me and in the guilt I feel for not, I don't know, showering him with affection?

You know that Rockwell song I Always Feel Like Somebody's Watching Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY)? That applies to my cat.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on January 23, 2014, 11:27:52 AM
Do your cats follow you around wherever you go?

Yes. Murphy is a little stalker.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on January 23, 2014, 12:56:12 PM
That sounds like my cat, too.

Do your cats follow you around wherever you go? I only have these places that I can be in my apartment: bedroom, kitchen, couch, hallway, or bathroom. My cat follows me to wherever I am. It's kind of cute, but after the initial phase wore off now I think it's creepy. Both in his obsession with me and in the guilt I feel for not, I don't know, showering him with affection?

You know that Rockwell song I Always Feel Like Somebody's Watching Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY)? That applies to my cat.

we had to have a door put in for our kitchen cuz that's where the plants is and the only time they really follow me around is when i go to the kitchen.  it's like some forbidden city.  but i think they only want access to the kitchen so they can gain access to the enchanted basement. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on January 23, 2014, 06:34:05 PM

Yes. Murphy is a little stalker.

GASP....I think that's slander!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on January 23, 2014, 10:47:32 PM
Mine want to know where I am, but will then wander away.

When I was in high school I had a cat that would take walks with me. No leash or anything, she'd stay right by my side and look up at me every few feet like "Are you okay? Watch out for that rock! Hey, I'm here to keep large scary animals away from you." She was the sweetest tiny cat ever.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on January 24, 2014, 06:36:25 AM
My late kitty, Linus, would always be with me. If he wanted to be someplace else, he'd make sure that he knew where I was before he went to do whatever he wanted to do. He'd actually get mad if I wasn't where he left me.

So, no, it's not weird.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on January 24, 2014, 08:17:31 PM
Observation of my cat today: he was napping, as cats do, and he was leaning his forehead against the leg of the dresser. So strange.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on January 26, 2014, 10:40:26 AM
well the kitchen door i didn't close quite enough last night.  that could have been so bad.  thankfully they left the missus' plants alone and attacked my only plant, again.  this was also my first plant.  i treat this thing so well except when i inadvertently let cats maul it.  i didn't feed them for three hours this morning and chased them around the house screaming feline slurs.  i know it's pointless and my fault but it makes me feel better
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: luisterpaul on January 30, 2014, 08:06:05 AM
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Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on January 31, 2014, 12:59:59 AM
Cats are really pretty stupid when it comes right down to it.

Facebook earnings were announced today, and based on price increase, a careful analysis of trailing and anticipated P/E as well as unanticipated strength in the mobile sector I felt I was in the position to offer MuShu cat a platinum grille.

He opted for like, an extra $.50 worth of cat treats instead.

He was so happy about it he tried to bring me my remote control even though nowadays he can only drag it up about three stairs and then just sits there meowing like an idiot.  Plus, what he doesn't know is I managed to sneak a "poison" prednisone pill into one of those treats and he totally ate it anyways.  Haha, joke's on you, sucker!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on February 10, 2014, 11:44:58 AM
BOth of my kitties slept on the bed last night, which they almost never do.  Sweet!  They then bolluxed it all up by getting up 30 minutes before the alarm and waking me up.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: luisterpaul on February 17, 2014, 07:06:35 AM
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Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on February 18, 2014, 10:24:58 PM
I just executed the world's best ever pill drop.

I actually had the pills in my car, so I took one out and was able to walk in with pill already in hand.

Cat came to greet me, and I gave him a couple pets and he curled up and starting purring.  Then Bam!  In one motion I sat on him, swept my left hand right underneath his head to force it up, and grabbed both sides of his mouth to open it while with my right hand I tossed that pill straight down the gullet as soon as his mouth was open.  He swallowed it before he even knew what happened.  Whole thing was done in under 3 seconds.

It was so executed so awesomely that half an hour later, I actually had to pretend pill my cat because he was all discombobulated like "When's the pill coming?  When's the pill coming?  Why hasn't the pill come?  Just give me the stupid pill so we can get it over with and I can get my treat."
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on February 18, 2014, 11:21:52 PM
that is one funny story, ZK

dumb question: why did you cat need a pill in the first place?

Totally unrelated: I started giving my cat Mimic, a male who is my best buddy, one can of wet food once a week. It's his crack cocaine for him now. He just loves it and waits for it every Saturday. Am I bad? Before I started this, he had never had wet food. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on February 18, 2014, 11:54:35 PM
You'll just have to keep giving Mimic wet food. Mine love it too-- the smellier the better, ugh-- but they've gotten finicky. Things they used to like they want nothing to do with. I'm seriously considering quitting it for awhile so they might appreciate it more.

According to my old vet, it's good to give them wet food, since cats often don't drink enough, and males have issues with kidney infections/urinary tract problems. So it's a better food for them.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on February 19, 2014, 05:53:21 AM
Murphy loves water, but only if it is from a running tap. We found this out after watching a program about Maine Coons a few years ago. The program said that MCs were especially fond of running water,  and we had noticed that Murphy was highly interested in the shower nozzle and the dripping bathtub tap, so we put him up on our bathroom counter and turned on the tap. He was beside himself with joy.

But we made a rod for our own backs with this, because now we cannot go into the bathroom without him following and demanding water. He has even learned to say "water." sometimes he wakes us up in the dead of night demanding it (CR gets up and gives it to him - I won't because I am mean and love my sleep).
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on February 19, 2014, 06:26:16 AM
But we made a rod for our own backs with this, because now we cannot go into the bathroom without him following and demanding water. He has even learned to say "water." sometimes he wakes us up in the dead of night demanding it (CR gets up and gives it to him - I won't because I am mean and love my sleep).
HA! My Parents had a cat that was like this, although he couldn't say "water"... however, he would race you up the stairs and sit in the bathroom doorway and make this adorable chirp while swishing his eyes between you and the sink. When he started having issues, they bought one of those drinking fountains for cats. It didn't solve the problem but it kept him from completely melting down in the middle of the night and beating on their bedroom door (17lb Maine Coon + hollow door = no sleep).
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on February 19, 2014, 08:39:45 AM
That's funny that he would chirp and eye the sink, as if saying "hey, you know what I want. C'mon, be a pal and turn on the faucet." Maine Coons are so clever!

We tried a kitty drinking fountain but it was loud and scared him, so we ended up donating it to a cat shelter. We have been toying with the idea of buying another one but haven't done it yet.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on February 19, 2014, 08:59:26 AM
That's funny that he would chirp and eye the sink, as if saying "hey, you know what I want. C'mon, be a pal and turn on the faucet." Maine Coons are so clever!

I know, right? My Maine Coon would do the eye thing at the fridge because that was where the cheese is and the earth would burn if he didn't get cheese.

Hmm... The fountain my parent's had wasn't particularly loud but it doesn't really take much noise to spook a kitty.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: foolsgold on February 19, 2014, 09:16:09 AM
I have to take my cats to the kitty dermatologist this afternoon which will a) be loads of fun for all involved b) extraordinarily expensive.  Since last fall, those four legged, furry fuckers have been licking huge patches of fur off their flanks, bellies, and legs and nothing has stopped it.  We've gone grain free, tried flea and tick meds, injection and topical steroids and nothing has worked.  Has anyone else had this experience and have ideas that worked?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on February 19, 2014, 09:32:32 AM
dumb question: why did you cat need a pill in the first place?

If he doesn't get prednisone he will throw up all his food.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: luisterpaul on February 19, 2014, 10:04:10 AM
Last night we had some friends over to play games. We're all sitting at the dining room table, and our calico would not shut up. Nearly nonstop meowing for an hour. I tried giving her food. Still meowing. Tried holding her and putting her down on a comfy spot. Still meowing. I was starting to get seriously annoyed.

Then I remembered she likes being on chairs near the dining room table (when she can't be on the table itself). So I broke out a folding chair and set it beside me. She hopped right up, settled in and started purring. No more meowing. She quite literally just wanted a seat at the table.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on February 19, 2014, 10:08:44 AM
I have to take my cats to the kitty dermatologist this afternoon which will a) be loads of fun for all involved b) extraordinarily expensive.  Since last fall, those four legged, furry fuckers have been licking huge patches of fur off their flanks, bellies, and legs and nothing has stopped it.  We've gone grain free, tried flea and tick meds, injection and topical steroids and nothing has worked.  Has anyone else had this experience and have ideas that worked?

Eeek. That's no good. I've heard of this happening with kitty allergies, could it be something in the environment that they're allergic to? Did you get anything new that might be triggering it? I hope that the Dermatologist can help you guys figure it out.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on February 19, 2014, 11:54:55 AM
Then I remembered she likes being on chairs near the dining room table (when she can't be on the table itself). So I broke out a folding chair and set it beside me. She hopped right up, settled in and started purring. No more meowing. She quite literally just wanted a seat at the table.
I <3 this so much! :)
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on February 19, 2014, 07:21:10 PM
I have to take my cats to the kitty dermatologist this afternoon which will a) be loads of fun for all involved b) extraordinarily expensive.  Since last fall, those four legged, furry fuckers have been licking huge patches of fur off their flanks, bellies, and legs and nothing has stopped it.  We've gone grain free, tried flea and tick meds, injection and topical steroids and nothing has worked.  Has anyone else had this experience and have ideas that worked?
Have you tried a thundershirt? There was a cat at the shelter that did this and the thundershirt reduced the behavior (especially since half his body was covered). 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: foolsgold on February 20, 2014, 08:19:10 AM
That's a great idea, Trixi.  I'll pick up a couple today. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: c-lando on February 20, 2014, 08:29:28 AM
Then I remembered she likes being on chairs near the dining room table (when she can't be on the table itself). So I broke out a folding chair and set it beside me. She hopped right up, settled in and started purring. No more meowing. She quite literally just wanted a seat at the table.
I <3 this so much! :)
x 1,000!!!!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: luisterpaul on February 20, 2014, 08:34:44 AM
Then I remembered she likes being on chairs near the dining room table (when she can't be on the table itself). So I broke out a folding chair and set it beside me. She hopped right up, settled in and started purring. No more meowing. She quite literally just wanted a seat at the table.
I <3 this so much! :)
x 1,000!!!!
She is the sweetest/biggest pain in the ass cat I've ever had.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: luisterpaul on February 20, 2014, 09:53:34 AM
I mean, seriously. She craves attention, but insists on sniffing your hand before you touch her. Even though we've known each other for almost ten years, she still has to verify the legitimacy of MY hand. And even then there's no guarantee she'll be pleased with my attention. She'll bite if I touch her stomach, or in some other way that displeases her, and she bites HARD.

She will emit the most gratingly annoying meow if it's approaching feeding time and I'm not in the kitchen. The further away I am the louder and more annoying the meow. It's more of a howl. Then, she as likely as not will puke up the food somewhere else in the house, because eating out of the goddamn bowl isn't good enough. She oftentimes eats the vomit, which I grudgingly appreciate, but there's still some kind of mess to be cleaned up SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN THE KITCHEN'S TILE FLOOR. Could be the hardwood floor, the table, the couch... It's a mystery every damn time. My only option is to zero in on the sounds of her heaving. Fortunately she doesn't really go upstairs, so that reduces the search grid.

All this is usually balanced out by the time we spend on the (hopefully vomit-free) couch, her purring/sleeping beside me while I'm doing whatever. Though sometimes her non-stop tail swats me on the back of the head while I'm watching TV.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on February 20, 2014, 10:06:05 AM
dumb question: why did you cat need a pill in the first place?

If he doesn't get prednisone he will throw up all his food.

what a dick.  i just moved back to my old hood and noticed a pet supply store opened up.  i walked over the other day and came out with gourmet cat food.  it's actually the same price as the purina i used to feed em only twice as much (for the equivalent price).  then the next day i went there and bought some indoor insecticide.  if only they sold beer. 

do any y'all feed strays regularly?  we just moved into a house where the previous owner used to feed all the neighborhood strays.  the cats abound our yard and crap without discrimination.  i don't mind all the cat shit considering we'll be putting in raised garden beds and a patio.  do we have an obligation to feed them? 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on February 20, 2014, 10:28:59 AM
do any y'all feed strays regularly?  we just moved into a house where the previous owner used to feed all the neighborhood strays.  the cats abound our yard and crap without discrimination.  i don't mind all the cat shit considering we'll be putting in raised garden beds and a patio.  do we have an obligation to feed them? 

No, although we probably should just to take care of the stray mice we get on occasion.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on February 20, 2014, 10:34:06 AM
I don't know how many stray cats you're talking about, but they can totally kill a garden.  Cat pea will burn any leaves and roots it touches.  They also eat some plants, roll around in others, and will uproot plants trying to bury their poo.

Also, if you're planning on growing vegetables in the garden, you're risking toxoplasmosis.  Which is probably not a big deal unless you plan on having kids.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 20, 2014, 10:40:23 AM
My inlaws just went through something similar with property they bought.  They didn't want the cats (we're talking dozens) because of the kids and allergies etc.  If you don't feed them they'll go somewhere else to find their food, they won't die, you're not depriving them, they're feral... it's the circle of life (cue Elton John).

In my in-laws case as soon as they took over the property and stopped feeding them we were overrun with good Samaritans feeding the "poor" cats.  We had to patrol the place several times a day, I confronted a couple of people who were sure I was a heartless cat hating bastard.  It was pretty ugly.  I told one lady that if she felt so sorry for them and wanted to feed them that she could leave the food on her property a few houses down... funny enough she wasn't interested in that.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on February 20, 2014, 10:41:25 AM
Then I remembered she likes being on chairs near the dining room table (when she can't be on the table itself). So I broke out a folding chair and set it beside me. She hopped right up, settled in and started purring. No more meowing. She quite literally just wanted a seat at the table.
I <3 this so much! :)
x 1,000!!!!

Cats don't  have owners. They have staff.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on February 20, 2014, 10:46:13 AM
I don't know how many stray cats you're talking about, but they can totally kill a garden.  Cat pea will burn any leaves and roots it touches.  They also eat some plants, roll around in others, and will uproot plants trying to bury their poo.

Also, if you're planning on growing vegetables in the garden, you're risking toxoplasmosis.  Which is probably not a big deal unless you plan on having kids.

once you move to my neighborhood they give you a cat.  everyone has cats.  i'd wager maybe five frequent my backyard.  i was concerned about it for the garden's sake, but my buddy who owns a garden center didn't seem too concerned about it.  not sure if i mentioned the strays.  and yes, anything we plant is going to be eaten.  was thinking about growing a shit ton of cayenne around the perimeter but i think it'd be better if i just spray cayenne?  i heard those fuckers hate cayenne
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on February 20, 2014, 10:53:03 AM
My inlaws just went through something similar with property they bought.  They didn't want the cats (we're talking dozens) because of the kids and allergies etc.  If you don't feed them they'll go somewhere else to find their food, they won't die, you're not depriving them, they're feral... it's the circle of life (cue Elton John).

In my in-laws case as soon as they took over the property and stopped feeding them we were overrun with good Samaritans feeding the "poor" cats.  We had to patrol the place several times a day, I confronted a couple of people who were sure I was a heartless cat hating bastard.  It was pretty ugly.  I told one lady that if she felt so sorry for them and wanted to feed them that she could leave the food on her property a few houses down... funny enough she wasn't interested in that.

i don't want to feed them out of any humane desire it just seemed like the neighborhood thing to do.  but if those fuckers fuck up my garden and my first born child ends up with a name like jayden the reckoning will be judicial-less
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on February 20, 2014, 11:10:01 AM
Motion activated sprinkler.  Probably the most effective deterrent against dogs, cats, rabbits, possums, and raccoons.  But especially cats, since they really hate water.   As a bonus, it waters your plants/lawn at the same time it's chasing off varmints.

A good one costs about $50, which is definitely annoying but if you think about it, it's worth the price. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on February 20, 2014, 11:42:02 AM
I don't know how many stray cats you're talking about, but they can totally kill a garden.  Cat pea will burn any leaves and roots it touches.  They also eat some plants, roll around in others, and will uproot plants trying to bury their poo.

Also, if you're planning on growing vegetables in the garden, you're risking toxoplasmosis

One of my favorite Radiohead songs.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on February 20, 2014, 01:14:21 PM
Motion activated sprinkler.  Probably the most effective deterrent against dogs, cats, rabbits, possums, and raccoons.  But especially cats, since they really hate water.   As a bonus, it waters your plants/lawn at the same time it's chasing off varmints.

A good one costs about $50, which is definitely annoying but if you think about it, it's worth the price.

word up.  wonder if it could attach itself to a rain barrel
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on February 20, 2014, 01:31:02 PM
A rain barrel will not generate enough pressure to power that or any other sort of sprinkler system without a powered pump of some kind. 

They'll work with a soaker hose or with a regular hose with holes drilled in them, that's about it.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on February 20, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
You also might want to look up which plants repel cats. If you're going to be creating plant beds anyway, you might want to a little something to help deter the kittys.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on February 20, 2014, 02:43:36 PM
A rain barrel will not generate enough pressure to power that or any other sort of sprinkler system without a powered pump of some kind. 

They'll work with a soaker hose or with a regular hose with holes drilled in them, that's about it.

having a hard time making a gravity joke.  maybe whorethisto's got one up his anus.  yeah, that sounds like a good option, but we don't really have much of a yard.  we've got enough for a garden and then enough to occasionally pull out the ole' push mower.  but yeah, cats fuckin hate water
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on February 20, 2014, 07:17:48 PM
Do you know if they are spayed/neutered?  That is the first thing you want to do. That way there will be no more new kittens on the way.
Can't remember if you're here in Cinti or not.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on February 24, 2014, 10:26:53 AM
Do you know if they are spayed/neutered?  That is the first thing you want to do. That way there will be no more new kittens on the way.
Can't remember if you're here in Cinti or not.

no, i live in cincinnati
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: luisterpaul on February 27, 2014, 09:43:50 AM
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-XAzcppTZyP4/Uw9IYMWHDdI/AAAAAAABZjQ/owYlGOHUJVg/w400-h225-no/where+cats+come+from.gif)
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on February 27, 2014, 10:06:24 AM
True fact: Cats have no bones.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Chris on March 06, 2014, 10:41:37 PM
True fact: Cats have no bones.

...and they chase whiny kids through kitchens. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlPoPMbiffU)
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on March 07, 2014, 09:37:42 PM
Today was the third bad pill day in a row for my cat.  I basically wrestled him into submission and jammed the pill down his throat and clamped his shut until he swallowed.  He didn't even want his treat and then he avoided me the rest of the night. 

But he still brought me his toy.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on March 07, 2014, 09:58:34 PM
ZK, have you tried pill pockets?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on March 07, 2014, 10:00:21 PM
Do you know if they are spayed/neutered?  That is the first thing you want to do. That way there will be no more new kittens on the way.
Can't remember if you're here in Cinti or not.

no, i live in cincinnati

If you would like me to trap them let me know.  If it's a stray or feral that has already been spayed/neutered and then returned it would have its left ear tipped.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on March 08, 2014, 08:10:15 PM
ZK, have you tried pill pockets?

Yeah, they don't fool him anymore.  They used to work, until one time to many he chewed through the pill instead of just wolfing it down.  He won't eat them now with or without a pill in them.  It's pretty much the ONLY thing he won't eat.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Atzend on March 11, 2014, 03:19:11 PM
Been sleeping like crap lately because I'm wearing cats to bed.  The past couple nights one stakes their claim at my feet, another on my legs, and yet another on my head like a hat.  Thankfully, the forth hasn't taken up sleeping on or near my chest.  It's not so bad initially, until I roll over in the middle of the night and am positioned in some sort of unintentional yoga pose to accommodate them when I'm asleep.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on March 21, 2014, 11:17:04 AM
I think I'm going to take my cat in to be euthanized tomorrow.

He was fairly frisky this weekend, but it looked like something might be bothering him a bit.  It didn't seem serious, just one of those "Don't bother me right now" moods cats sometimes get in.  But when I came home on Monday he didn't greet me at the door, which has never really happened before.  Then he just sorta went downhill from there, like not eating much, hiding in the closet, I could see he wasn't really grooming himself and he is losing weight.

I took him to the vet yesterday for bloodwork and they said his kidneys are failing.  They can give him an IV, but then they have to keep him at the vet for 48 hours.  The vet said his best guess was he had a 30-40% chance of making it. 

I just don't think it's worth it, considering the cancer will probably kill him in six or seven months (if it isn't what's causing this already).  And he would probably have to get one of those IV bags which I know he would hate on top of the pills I have to give him already.  And then with a compromised kidney I don't know if I can still give him predinsone, and then if he doesn't get the prednisone he pukes.

I guess a lot of people would probably opt for the IV or at least wait it out a little longer.  It's a tricky call.  But I just feel like I'd rather let him go while he's still somewhat okay.  And this way, I can give him 24 hours to do whatever he's always wanted to do.  I went to work and brought home my spiderplants so he can eat them if he wants and then poop in the pot which he has always enjoyed.  This afternoon, I'll take him outside and let him enjoy some sunshine.  I bought some fried chicken and I'm going to throw it in the trash and not close the lid so he can finally experience the ecstasy of eating out of the trashcan.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: cuddlyevil on March 21, 2014, 11:32:01 AM
I am sorry Zafer. We had to make this call with our cat last Spring. It was a tough one but the vet determined she was in end-stage renal failure due to the decrease in her output even though she was eating/drinking normally. We could have let her go a bit longer with steroids and antibiotics, but she was in pain and we didn't want to extend it any longer.

It sucks to have to make that call though.

{{HUG}}
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: foolsgold on March 21, 2014, 11:41:57 AM
My cat died two summers ago after his kidneys failed following what we guessed was a stroke.  It was long, slow, horrible and absolutely draining for all parties involved.  We (and the vet) did everything available to keep him alive and he lasted a month or so after the initial incident, but was just not happy.  He couldn't really walk and was forced fed high nutrient glop through an oral syringe.  My wife and I are of the mind that euthanasia is almost a non-starter if there is a shot, so we kept going with the treatments.  Sadly, he died in a cage in the vet's office one night.  He had to be there to be stabilized and to receive around the clock care.

Of my many regrets in life, that is near top of the list.  I still get a lump in my throat thinking that he died in a strange place without his family around him.  Looking back, I really wish we had just quietly ushered him out of his life, holding him and keeping him warm and comfortable as he drew his last breaths. 

There really is no right answer and both options you're facing are awful, but I think it's a quality of life issue.  Sure, you could keep him alive, but, but outside of a bit more time, are either of you going to get much out of it or will it consume you both?  I feel for you, man and think you're making the right choice if my opinion matters at all. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: c-lando on March 21, 2014, 11:52:33 AM
I'm very sorry, ZK. Making that choice is so very difficult and it's really hard to not second guess yourself. But, I think the way that you're saying goodbye is lovely. I love that you're letting him do a lot of things up until the end. I never thought of my animals having bucket lists. But, I think you've probably nailed quite a few good items on the list.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on March 21, 2014, 02:01:31 PM
There really is no right answer and both options you're facing are awful, but I think it's a quality of life issue.  Sure, you could keep him alive, but, but outside of a bit more time, are either of you going to get much out of it or will it consume you both?  I feel for you, man and think you're making the right choice if my opinion matters at all. 

This. But I understand where you are coming from, ZK, and I think I would make the same call. It bothers me how my cat always greets me at the door and it bugs me when he's all up in my grille, but then I miss him and start to worry those times when he's not there. If I came home to a series of days in a row where he didn't greet me because he was in pain, I don't think I could let those days continue.

Good luck and I'm sure you're making the right decision, no matter which one it is.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on March 21, 2014, 11:41:37 PM
I'm sorry that you had to make this decision, ZK...it's a hard one.  I hope you had a good last day with him. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on March 22, 2014, 11:11:43 AM
I bought some fried chicken and I'm going to throw it in the trash and not close the lid so he can finally experience the ecstasy of eating out of the trashcan.

I hope you did this and he actually ate it.  That sounds like all of my pets' ideas of heaven already, so I would say you nailed it. 

Sorry you had to make the call though, it sucks.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on March 22, 2014, 12:56:27 PM
Oh ZK, so sorry. It is never easy to make that call, but if kitty's quality of life has declined, it's best to end his suffering. I hope he got to do some of those "bucket list" items.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on March 22, 2014, 01:40:10 PM
Oh ZK, I am so sorry that you and your kitty are going through this. I went through this in July when my Linus was diagnosed with cancer. Since we had been given a dismal outlook even with medical intervention, I opted to have him euthanized. He went peacefully while lying next to me on a couch, snuggled in a blanket. As horrible as it was, I knew that I couldn't put him through the trauma of the treatment as he never was a good patient and daily wrestling matches for pills wasn't something either of us would have enjoyed. I won't lie... part of me wished I kept him around for a little while longer but it was the right choice. 

I hope that you are able to give your kitty a day as perfect as they deserve. *hugs* There's all kinds of good vibes heading your way.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on March 22, 2014, 03:10:22 PM
Thanks everyone.

Yeah, he had a good last day.  I think he pretty much got to do everything he wanted.  He went outside, he ate some grass, he ate some spiderplant, he drank milk, he had fried chicken, he got to ride in the laundry basket up and down the stairs a bunch of times, we walked together through every room in the house so he could sniff everything one last time, and then he posed for some pictures, and then I helped him get into the bed and he slept in his regular spot, then this morning he ate some more fried chicken, went outside again, and took a nice long nap in the sunroom in his favorite napping place.

I left him all his toys at the top of the stairs last night just in case he wanted to play with them, but when I woke up he was still in bed.  Then I noticed when I went to the shower that during the night he had jumped out of the bed, got his favorite toy, brought it to me at the foot of the bed, and then somehow managed to hop back into bed.  That was the point at which I cried like a baby for like ten minutes.  I won't even lie.  That sucked BAD.

After that, everything went good.

I did it at the vet, because oddly he has actually grown to like his carrier and car rides so I figured why not give him one last ride.  He hates the vet, but I figured he wouldn't be any happier if the vet suddenly walked into his territory either.  I just thought everything would go easier at the vet's office.  Which it did.  He was a little nervous in the carrier but calmed when I petted him and then the vet gave him the sedative right in the carrier.  He went under in no time flat.  After he was out, we lifted him up, put him on the table and he didn't even react to the pheno at all. 

They kinda kept me talking through the procedure so I wouldn't have to think about it which helped.   Everyone was very supportive which obviously they are paid to do, but I think they all genuinely felt like I had made the right decision.  They were also really good about talking to Mu Shu calling him a brave cat and a fighter and all that, which he could not hear at all nor would he have been able to understand nor would it have really calmed him, but it made ME feel good so that was kind of a clever trick.

I actually can't complain because the way it worked out was actually kind of nice-- I knew he was going to die soon so I had time to think about what I wanted to do and how and to somewhat prepare myself all that.  But then the way he got suddenly sick it helped make the decision much more easy and I just had to follow my plans and he never really suffered too much even at the end.

I wish he could have been in shape for one last game of fetch, or that Southampton had played today so maybe we could have watched them together one last time but that would have been more for me than for him.  He made it through the winter and got to enjoy the outdoors and one last awesome sun nap so I think he was good.  All in all, it couldn't have gone much better which is a weird thing to say but still true.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: kcneon on March 22, 2014, 08:27:15 PM
What a nice tribute, ZK!  Sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Atzend on March 22, 2014, 09:32:05 PM
Good to here he had a good last day.  Never an easy situation, but it sounds like you made the right call.  My condolences, Zafer. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on March 22, 2014, 09:34:38 PM
so sorry for your loss, ZK. It's so hard to have to make that choice, but you know your cat.  Sounds like he had the perfect kitty day. It was lovely to give him a perfect bucket list kitty day.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on March 22, 2014, 11:01:09 PM
ZK, you gave him a great last day. What an honorable end to a good kitty. ((hugs))
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on March 23, 2014, 04:54:16 PM
What a great tribute to a great cat and a great last day. So sorry ZK.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: foolsgold on March 24, 2014, 08:41:14 AM
I'm sorry, man.  That sucks.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: c-lando on March 24, 2014, 08:50:46 AM
I'm so sorry for your loss, ZK.
I hope we can all feel this much love and compassion during our last days.
Wonderful message, shitty circumstances.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on March 24, 2014, 12:07:19 PM
So sorry. So so sorry. I wish I had more to say but ... so sorry.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Cockney Rebel on March 24, 2014, 12:37:38 PM
ZK, you gave him a great last day. What an honorable end to a good kitty. ((hugs))
What the missus said. You did a good thing ZK. Neither man nor beast should have to unnecessarily suffer.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: cuddlyevil on March 24, 2014, 03:54:36 PM
AW ZK, I am sorry. But you gave him a great day.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on March 26, 2014, 07:27:16 PM
I think I'm going to take my cat in to be euthanized tomorrow.

He was fairly frisky this weekend, but it looked like something might be bothering him a bit.  It didn't seem serious, just one of those "Don't bother me right now" moods cats sometimes get in.  But when I came home on Monday he didn't greet me at the door, which has never really happened before.  Then he just sorta went downhill from there, like not eating much, hiding in the closet, I could see he wasn't really grooming himself and he is losing weight.

I took him to the vet yesterday for bloodwork and they said his kidneys are failing.  They can give him an IV, but then they have to keep him at the vet for 48 hours.  The vet said his best guess was he had a 30-40% chance of making it. 

I just don't think it's worth it, considering the cancer will probably kill him in six or seven months (if it isn't what's causing this already).  And he would probably have to get one of those IV bags which I know he would hate on top of the pills I have to give him already.  And then with a compromised kidney I don't know if I can still give him predinsone, and then if he doesn't get the prednisone he pukes.

I guess a lot of people would probably opt for the IV or at least wait it out a little longer.  It's a tricky call.  But I just feel like I'd rather let him go while he's still somewhat okay.  And this way, I can give him 24 hours to do whatever he's always wanted to do.  I went to work and brought home my spiderplants so he can eat them if he wants and then poop in the pot which he has always enjoyed.  This afternoon, I'll take him outside and let him enjoy some sunshine.  I bought some fried chicken and I'm going to throw it in the trash and not close the lid so he can finally experience the ecstasy of eating out of the trashcan.

i'm sure your cat had a good last day.  the only risk you take with having friends like ours is that they don't live forever.  but it's one helluva risk worth taking.  i can picture your situation zafer like a comic strip (they all don't have to be funny).

zk leaves his spider plant out (which he never does) and erroneously leaves fried chicken scraps in the trash. 

zk's cat looks at him and says, "it's time to die, huh?" 

zk nods. 

"thanks." 

i'm choking up a bit
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on March 26, 2014, 08:45:41 PM
Got my hair cut today, which means that there is a different smell on my hair: different shampoo, products I don't use. My cat was walking on the back of the couch and was smelling my hair.  He started licking my head, and evidently didn't like the taste, so he BIT my head! WTF?!?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on March 26, 2014, 11:44:14 PM
i'm choking up a bit
X2
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on April 02, 2014, 09:45:28 AM
check out my sweet new license plates 
(http://www.publicsafety.ohio.gov/img/special_plates/ohio_pride/si_cat_friendly.jpg)

in hindsight, however, these are sweeter

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4W1w-1iBICZ9c2Z5CWCz88oi4Bo84kFvX4geSuJJgnxXR3pAj)

but ohio is so freaking lame when it comes to specialty plates.  they just attach a decal on the standard plate.  now here's how you do a specialty plate

(http://www.in.gov/bmv/images/specplate_iht-large.jpg)
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: kcneon on April 07, 2014, 09:17:56 PM
Triumph!  Ninja Monkey barely made a peep on the 1.5 hour trip to the parents this weekend. Big difference from the first time when she mewed constantly...seriously, I'm not kidding.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on April 07, 2014, 09:57:18 PM
Yay!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: juggles on April 10, 2014, 12:03:23 AM
The once mighty Katisha who once weighed in at over 20 pounds is reduced to a mere 11 1/2 due to hypertyroidism which is now being treated.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on April 10, 2014, 01:12:08 PM
Is.... that good news? I think 20 lbs for a cat is probably unhealthy, but losing almost 50% of bodyweight is also unhealthy, and hyperthyroidism also sounds unhealthy. So I'm not sure. Except for the part about being treated.

Regardless, 11.5 pounds is possibly a good weight, too.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: kcneon on April 22, 2014, 10:07:39 PM
Gotta share my crazy kitty story with you guys:

So Easter was interesting at the folks' last weekend.  It's been almost 2 years since we'd had kittens at their house and were excited to see Mama Cat (aka Alice) was expecting a litter.  Sunday morning I went out to feed her and heard mewing coming from her house on the deck.  I saw a cute little tiger kitten just inside her little house.  Only saw one so I wasn't sure if she'd had more overnight and was moving them (already) or if she'd just had one so far.  I let her eat and went in the house to fix my breakfast.

By the time I got my cereal and sat down at the table, I could see from the window a tom that is wild and comes by now and then to raid for food.  I got up to shoo him away...seems he already knew about the kittens and ran off with the little tiger!!  I didn't know he'd gotten to the house already - still can't believe he was that quick, but he knew what he was after.  Once I did figure it out, Alice followed me to the other side of the house while I tried to see if I could find what he'd done with them.  No luck.

I was crushed.  Got back to the deck and Alice wanted inside badly.  We let her in and watched her all day.  She was restless, but no other kittens.  I felt (beyond) horrible; kicking myself for not stopping that tom cat.  Monday morning I got a text from Mom that Alice was meowing really loudly that morning, she went out to check on her and found a cuddly little grey furball next to her on the blanket!!!  That's like a good 12 hours - that we are aware of - between kitty births!  Our theory is that she was so upset it took her awhile to calm back down and have that last kitten.  But we're so excited one has survived.  Obviously we're keeping her in the house now (she's been a indoor/outdoor cat since we lost our other cats last year).
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on April 22, 2014, 11:04:50 PM
great story, thanks for sharing!  :)
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on April 27, 2014, 01:41:24 AM
so i painted this the other yesterday

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m180/weylerka/bernyman_zpsdfa9354e.jpg) (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/weylerka/media/bernyman_zpsdfa9354e.jpg.html)

our friend is an art teacher and she hosts and guides colors and corks at the wyoming fine art center.  bring some wine and paint!  i bought tix for my family for christmas and all of us painted our pets.  it's cool to see someone you're close with wield an incredible possibly unearthed talent. 

the bumper sticker my sister found that she didn't know she had! 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on April 27, 2014, 04:48:27 PM
cool...sounds like fun.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on April 27, 2014, 08:03:00 PM
Very cool!

And any cat who is a WOXY fan is a pretty awesome cat. :)

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on April 27, 2014, 11:09:36 PM
any cat who is a WOXY fan is a pretty awesome cat. :)
amen to that!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on June 26, 2014, 08:03:54 PM
so berny has been vomiting on a pretty daily basis.  pretty sure the culprit is hairballs.  however, today he (well i'm gonna blame him cuz i didn't see him do it, but he is main puker) puked up all his food and now both cats won't eat.  ideas?  we've put them on a premium cat food a few months ago and transitioned them from the crap they were eating.  i heard it can take awhile for a cat to adjust to new food, but i kinda figured they were adapted by now
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on June 26, 2014, 09:35:51 PM
Hairball puke and food puke are completely different.

When they puke up a hairball, it's mostly clear liquid with a big turd-shaped clump of matted wet hair. 

Food puke looks like human puke-- it looks like what they just ate... because it is.





Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on June 26, 2014, 10:56:34 PM
are they drinking?  They can get dehydrated pretty quickly, so a vet visit may be in order if the water intake is down. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on June 26, 2014, 11:03:28 PM
we've put them on a premium cat food a few months ago
does anyone here think that premium cat food is worth the price difference? I always buy the generic kind, and always have. I really have no idea how a cat could know the difference, and the premium cat food is crazily over-priced IMHO. I think a cat just wants the same food whatever they get. Cats are creatures of habit.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on June 27, 2014, 06:35:54 AM
I think it depends on whether your kitty has any health issues or special dietary concerns.

That said, I fed my Linus a mid-range food (Eukanuba) and he was addicted. I tried to upgrade to a better quality food during a shortage of his normal food and was rewarded with 24 hours of constant Maine Coon whining. I found 1 bag of his old food in a store and hugged the damn bag. I looked like a lunatic but I was excited to get him to shut the hell up. I don't think I could have ever gotten him to switch to anything else no matter how "premium" it was.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: cuddlyevil on June 27, 2014, 10:01:30 AM
We had to put Helen on one of the urinary tract formulas from the vet. It was pricey, but did seem to help a bit.

DD, keep an eye on their water and little boxes. If they're not drinking, you'll want to get them into the vet.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on June 27, 2014, 01:06:52 PM
Hairball puke and food puke are completely different.

When they puke up a hairball, it's mostly clear liquid with a big turd-shaped clump of matted wet hair. 

Food puke looks like human puke-- it looks like what they just ate... because it is.

oh, no.  i should clarify.  the latest vomit was food puke.  that was the first time one of them did that.  usually it has been hairballs.  but berny still seems to have an appetite as he'll eat some of his dental treats.  i think he just hates the food we've been feeding him.  squishface wasn't eating it either but i think he saw berny not eating it and wanted to be like his big brother.  he'll munch away once berny leaves
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Atzend on June 27, 2014, 11:06:57 PM
we've put them on a premium cat food a few months ago
does anyone here think that premium cat food is worth the price difference? I always buy the generic kind, and always have. I really have no idea how a cat could know the difference, and the premium cat food is crazily over-priced IMHO. I think a cat just wants the same food whatever they get. Cats are creatures of habit.

Hope it's worth it.  Other then the price, the only difference is the amount of protein.  We switched to a higher protein dry food upon the vets' recommendation after one of the cats developed a bout of pancreatitis.  They all eat it, like it and worth the price if it's going to help them be a little bit healthier. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on July 03, 2014, 11:51:27 PM
does anyone know how to tell if a cat is "depressed"? and if so, what to do about it?

I have a single cat, a male called "mimic", he's about 6-7 years old. He is strictly an indoor cat. He doesn't seem happy to me these days, even though I give him a lot of attention when I'm at home. He is in good health. I wonder if he feels lonely.

Before you suggest getting him a companion cat, I need to tell you that I tried that once before, about 15 years ago with my previous cat, another male called "Princey". At the urge of my then-young daughter, we got another cat, a kitten really, called "Pepper", and when we brought Pepper home, all hell broke lose, to the point that we had to keep the cats in separate quarters, and eventually Pepper went to live with my daughter's mom. Maybe the mistake was that it was a kitten, and not an older cat?

Maybe Mimic is just bored? and not depressed? Or maybe these are simply the same thing for a cat?

I'm a bit clueless right now... any thoughts/suggestions are most welcome.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on July 07, 2014, 06:34:19 AM
does anyone know how to tell if a cat is "depressed"? and if so, what to do about it?

I'm a bit clueless right now... any thoughts/suggestions are most welcome.

Hmmm... cats can (and do) get depressed and, at least in my experience, it manifests differently than boredom. Like humans, cats can get bored/depressed in the same environment all the time. Have you tried bringing home new (or different) toys? Are you able to put out a bird feeder near a window where Mimic can watch/stalk some birds? Sometimes just altering the environment inside the house will do the trick. When Linus was younger, he'd go through patches of boredom and I'd some move things around in the apartment (ie: scratching post, small tables, etc...) to keep him on his toes. A companion kitty may still be in the cards but, as you've lived through, that can be tricky. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on July 07, 2014, 09:27:12 AM
The bird feeder is a great suggestion, thanks!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on July 13, 2014, 12:31:27 PM
When I had to put my older cat to sleep, the cat that was left behind was very lonely- he cried at me for a solid 30 minutes every day when I got home. As soon as I got him a kitten, it ended, and they get along very well.

I think giving them something to observe can be very good- like the birdfeeder.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on July 23, 2014, 11:11:26 AM
The bird feeder is a great suggestion, thanks!

i would still get another one if i were you.  but then again, i've got an addictive personality. 

anyways, so one of the strays, the one that just birthed a litter under our porch, turned up deader than a russian winter under the very porch.  that's where the stink came from.  poor cat.  as i lifted her with a square shovel i wondered why she came back here to die and what it was like for her to close her eyes for the final time knowing that her kids where just running around being kids, getting into all sorts of mischief.  i bet she smiled.  i would have been able to have seen a smile if half her face weren't already chewed away by flies and maggots.  anyways, the city came and picked her up about an hour ago, probably to get processed into all that shit the rest of you feed your cats
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on July 23, 2014, 12:29:54 PM
My cat looks forward to eating your cat then.  Because every day at 5:45 AM and 2 PM he is bothering someone in the house about it.  I didn't know that "Friskies" was cat code for "Soylent Green".
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on July 23, 2014, 01:08:59 PM
Mine look forward to it too!
Sad to hear about the momma cat, though.

If I change my morning routine even the slightest, my cats get totally pissed off. Like, I have to be up from 7-8am, even if I'm not leaving the house. Grr.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on July 23, 2014, 01:23:26 PM
Yes, I too am sorry about the dead cat.  I am not sure I would've handled the half-eaten face aspect all that well.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on July 23, 2014, 01:36:42 PM
Yeah, my cat gets all up in my grill when it's approaching feeding time. I've tried things to get him to be less active about this but at some point it's just "HEY FEED ME!" and that's that. He always wants it earlier than normal time, so I don't have the issues you have, va, about changing the routine. I'm pretty sure he'd be content if I fed him all the time.

To give him credit, when we've experimented with giving him a lot of food at once he did finally start grazing instead of inhaling his food, but alas he's still gaining weight so I am convinced it's not the best route.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: foolsgold on August 04, 2014, 11:08:30 AM
We're kicking around the idea of adopting another cat, but have some qualms about doing so.  We already have two cats (Gabby: 13 year old, relaxed lapcat and Yuri: 3 year old exuberant and playful).  Yuri hasn't quite grasped the concept that Gabby isn't a kitten, so he's always looking to rough house with her.  For her part, she wants nothing to do with that which is understandable.  Our thought was to get another cat closer to Yuri's age and closer to his personality so he has someone to play with.  I guess our hesitation is that we worry that adding another youthful cat to the mix would be hard for Gabby to adjust to as she's a bit on the sensitive side.  Or, worse, that they'd gang up on her.

Has anyone dealt with this sort of dynamic and have advice? 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 04, 2014, 03:41:20 PM
Can't believe I'm about to ask this...

Any advice on outside cats?  We are currently rehabbing a house that we will be moving into, probably no sooner than spring.  Our property has a fairly large field with a barn, and the two acres next to us is a completely empty field that I assume will either be farmed or at least bush hogged often enough not be become a forest.  So, I'm worried about field mice getting into the house and barn, especially in the winter time.

I'm thinking we need a cat, or maybe two, to patrol.  I would make sure they're spayed/neutered of course, because I don't want a herd of them.  How does one stike an arrangement with an outside cat?  Do I go pick one up from the humane society and set out food and water and hope that it stays?  Is there some kind of training involved to keep them around?  That sounds silly, I guess, but I genuinely don't know.  I have zero experience with outside cats. 

The wife is VERY allergic, she swells up like a balloon when we go to my folks house, so no cats inside, on any level.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on August 04, 2014, 10:49:20 PM
Kwyj, we have one at the shelter that we're actually looking for a barn for:  Here's the info. 
If you have any friends or family with property, we have a barn/outbuilding cat for them! Lunchbox doesn't look too happy here, he's ready for a new home. He is "semi-feral", meaning that he isn't wild-wild, but probably wouldn't ever be as friendly as a pet either. He'd be pretty low-maintenance, all he would need would be someone to put food out for him daily. He is spay/neutered and vaccinated, and OAR would provide relocation supplies. Please consider asking any friends/family with property if they are interested. You can leave a comment here, or they can contact OAR at 513-871-0185.  He's a black cat (not sure if he's got any other color on him). 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on August 04, 2014, 11:36:33 PM
Growing up, all of our cats were outdoor only, and they came to the door (running!) when we called them (heeeere, kitty kitty kitty!) and shook the catfood bag.

It was never a problem to get them to come around. Especially if they kind of like people, they will come around for petting, and they will definitely come for the food.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on August 05, 2014, 07:36:52 AM
We are basically housing an outdoor cat indoors.  He tries to get outside every chance he gets, but every time he does get outside unnoticed, he actually stays pretty close to the house.  I think it's all about having a comfort level with a home base and having some fun things to stalk nearby... then being able to return to a reliable source of food and shelter.

You'll want to keep up with the cat pretty regularly, because it has the potential to get sick easier with hunting and eating prey and coming into contact with other cats in a nearby radius.  Also, cats are pretty stupid about cars.  They WILL sleep on a warm engine block on a cold morning... I had a cat fall out of my engine one day as I drove up the road, and my mom inadvertently killed a cat that was in her engine once.  They will not avoid roads as they should.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: c-lando on August 05, 2014, 08:14:30 AM
We're kicking around the idea of adopting another cat, but have some qualms about doing so.  We already have two cats (Gabby: 13 year old, relaxed lapcat and Yuri: 3 year old exuberant and playful).  Yuri hasn't quite grasped the concept that Gabby isn't a kitten, so he's always looking to rough house with her.  For her part, she wants nothing to do with that which is understandable.  Our thought was to get another cat closer to Yuri's age and closer to his personality so he has someone to play with.  I guess our hesitation is that we worry that adding another youthful cat to the mix would be hard for Gabby to adjust to as she's a bit on the sensitive side.  Or, worse, that they'd gang up on her.

Has anyone dealt with this sort of dynamic and have advice?
Maybe this is helpful?
http://www.wayofcats.com/blog/why-third-cat-is-different/5877

Our resident cat expert at AHS is no longer there. So, I can't pick his brain for you. I guess I exclusively hang out with the dog people at the shelter. Hmmm.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: luisterpaul on August 05, 2014, 09:47:54 AM
Long story short: Got married 2.5 weeks ago. We went to Greece for the honeymoon. Turns out they have cats like we have squirrels and pigeons here in the States. Some places (like in Delphi) people will leave out the occasional bowls of food and water, or even scraps from the table. Many of them are friendly towards humans, unlike what I had come to expect of ferals here. This little guy even climbed into my lap with barely any encouragement.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-sDPemxFQHos/U9AyeUQ2rII/AAAAAAAAFyE/Fi9uP18NJms/w560-h746-no/SAM_0136.JPG)
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 05, 2014, 10:01:29 AM
Kwyj, we have one at the shelter that we're actually looking for a barn for:  Here's the info. 
If you have any friends or family with property, we have a barn/outbuilding cat for them! Lunchbox doesn't look too happy here, he's ready for a new home. He is "semi-feral", meaning that he isn't wild-wild, but probably wouldn't ever be as friendly as a pet either. He'd be pretty low-maintenance, all he would need would be someone to put food out for him daily. He is spay/neutered and vaccinated, and OAR would provide relocation supplies. Please consider asking any friends/family with property if they are interested. You can leave a comment here, or they can contact OAR at 513-871-0185.  He's a black cat (not sure if he's got any other color on him). 

Oh man, Lunchbox sounds like just what we need.  Here's the trouble though, we're not at the house on a daily basis right now.  I could probably run over there every day to feed him but it sounds like there needs to be a relationship building period for them to stay, and I'm afraid that wouldn't happen.  Two, there'll be a lot of contractors and such coming and going... would that scare him off?


Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on August 05, 2014, 10:34:03 AM
Adorable, paul. And congrats on the nuptials, too.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: luisterpaul on August 05, 2014, 11:18:08 AM
Adorable, paul. And congrats on the nuptials, too.
Thanks! We had a blast.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on August 05, 2014, 09:25:30 PM
Adorable, paul. And congrats on the nuptials, too.
X2

That kitty wanted to come home with you!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on August 05, 2014, 09:52:15 PM
Oh man, Lunchbox sounds like just what we need.  Here's the trouble though, we're not at the house on a daily basis right now.  I could probably run over there every day to feed him but it sounds like there needs to be a relationship building period for them to stay, and I'm afraid that wouldn't happen.  Two, there'll be a lot of contractors and such coming and going... would that scare him off?

I've asked as I have absolutely no experience with relocating a barn cat.  I'll let you know. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on August 06, 2014, 03:20:22 PM
dear crap man, you've got a barn?  i always wanted a barn, but i wanted to live in the city in a particular neighborhood.  and then i saw someone with a barn a few streets over.  anyway, congrats on the barn.  cats?  them folk have answered better.  i just wanted to congratulate you on the barn.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on August 06, 2014, 03:24:09 PM
I will also congratulate you on the barn.  Plus, I just like saying that word.

Barn.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on August 06, 2014, 10:40:49 PM
Adorable, paul. And congrats on the nuptials, too.
X2

That kitty wanted to come home with you!
x3
and that cat totally wanted to come home with you.

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on August 07, 2014, 12:17:25 AM
I PM'd you Kwyj...let me know if you didn't get it.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: cuddlyevil on September 03, 2014, 10:35:26 AM
I need abandoned kitty help. An older cat was kicked out of the house he was in (his person has been gone for a bit but the people who are fixing the house up kicked the cat out). He is older, seems friendly, I can't take him in because our house is firmly no pets.

I am afraid to call the ASPCA because he is older and I'm worried he'll be put to sleep. But he can't keep living under my car. Any other rescue suggestions? I'm in the Anderson area.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on October 01, 2014, 06:24:30 AM
Our little kitty, Buster, was diagnosed with FIP a few weeks ago and was doing all right. Until late last week. On Friday, my fiance found some poo on the carpet near the bathroom that contains the litter boxes and the poo had a little bit of blood. We have since discovered that Buster has been repeatedly peeing in that same area numerous times (Yay black lights!) and we caught him a few times between Sunday and last night. Well, over the last 2 box scoopings, I've found blood in the litter box. Not with pee but with poo. *sigh* I am calling the vet this morning to get his thoughts but...

Any of y'all dealt with a kitty that was diagnosed with Feline infectious perionitis? Since this is a pretty rare illness (1 in 5000), we're not really sure about how the illness will progress. We're not sure how much time he has left but he's lost more weight and the blood in the litter box is pretty alarming. We love the little guy, he's just the sweetest kitty and we're both pretty brokenhearted about it all.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on October 01, 2014, 09:28:43 AM
Awwww Poolio, that's terrible. I really feel for the little kitty and for you guys.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on October 01, 2014, 11:13:15 AM
Thanks Euro. He's a great cat who doesn't deserve the hand he's been dealt. I've got a call in to the Vet but haven't heard back yet (he was in surgery this morning).
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: cuddlyevil on October 01, 2014, 12:32:38 PM
Poolio, there are some support groups out there. My friend lost her kitty to a form of FIP, I can ask her.

 :'(
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on October 01, 2014, 12:52:25 PM
Sorry to hear, Poolio. Sending vibes your (and your cat's) way.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on October 01, 2014, 01:59:14 PM
Poor kitty! I hope you find answers, Poolio.  I'm sending good vibes your way.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on October 01, 2014, 03:14:22 PM
Poolio, there are some support groups out there. My friend lost her kitty to a form of FIP, I can ask her.

 :'(

That would be lovely, Cuddles. Any help is welcome.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on October 01, 2014, 06:51:53 PM
Oh, no! Vibes to Buster, and to y'all!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on October 02, 2014, 06:19:15 AM
I talked with the Vet, he's a bit worried that Buster might be a bit constipated which is causing the blood in the litter box. So, we get to try a few things to see if it clears up. The peeing on the carpet could be anything, it could be that he pees there when he doesn't feel particularly well or it could be that the FIP has kicked up something else that makes him unable to hold it until he gets to the box.

We also had the first (of probably a few) quality of life discussion. With Buster's weight loss, that decision probably isn't too far off.  :'(
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Cockney Rebel on October 02, 2014, 07:59:36 AM
I don't know if a cats internals are the same as a human's but could the peeing also have to do with the constipation? Vibes to the kitty.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on October 02, 2014, 10:55:06 AM
It certainly could.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on October 14, 2014, 06:38:06 AM
A quick update on Buster. Unfortunately, we had to put Buster down yesterday afternoon. He had what looked like a small seizure on Friday and wasn't quite right after that. His behavior had changed over the last 2 weeks but he took a turn over the weekend and was just miserable. So, we made the decision to put a stop to his suffering. It was terrible but he went peacefully with his head resting on my hand. Even the Vet was a little teary. Any spare good vibes for my Fiance would be welcome, the mornings were their time to hang out so this morning is going to be a bit rough. He was sweet little kitty who will be missed greatly in our house.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: cuddlyevil on October 14, 2014, 09:37:04 AM
Lots of vibes Poolio!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on October 14, 2014, 09:41:58 AM
Sorry to hear that, Poolio.  It's been a tough year or so for you. :(

Vibes to you and your fiance.

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on October 14, 2014, 09:46:53 AM
Vibes, Poolio!

I gave my kitties some extra scritches this morning in honor of Buster.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on October 14, 2014, 09:53:15 AM
sorry poolio.  they love us and leave us but worth every minute
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on October 14, 2014, 11:02:23 AM
Thanks guys. FIP is a terrible disease.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on October 14, 2014, 11:35:07 AM
So sorry to hear Poolio. Good vibes to y'all. And hopefully when the time is right you can find place for a new kitty in your lives...
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on October 14, 2014, 12:31:24 PM
So sorry to hear Poolio. Good vibes to y'all. And hopefully when the time is right you can find place for a new kitty in your lives...
We're lucky that our other cat is healthy and seems to be bearing up quite well with the changes.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on October 14, 2014, 04:08:49 PM
Sending vibes to the both of you.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on October 14, 2014, 04:25:09 PM
Sending vibes to you both. It is never easy to lose a beloved pet, but know that you did the right thing by ending Buster's suffering. ((hugs))
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Cockney Rebel on October 14, 2014, 09:34:54 PM
Vibes galore. Sorry to hear the news Poolio
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on October 15, 2014, 12:59:35 PM
So sorry to hear. Vibes.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on October 16, 2014, 09:04:51 AM
Okay... so for some lighter fare. Do any of your cats have a toy that they are completely obsessed with?

Our orange tabby, Michael, has a green/yellow stuff mouse that is THE ABSOLUTE BEST THING IN THE WORLD. He carries it through the house, yowling around it and dropping it in random places. Yesterday, I came from work to find it in the middle of our bed. And, while doing yoga downstairs, he ran upstairs, stomped around a bit, and then came downstairs with it clutched in his mouth while yowling with glee. It is consistently hilarious.

And, yes, I've already bought an exact copy of the toy because the current one has already been sewn together once, it's only a matter of time before it is no longer salvageable.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on October 16, 2014, 12:05:43 PM
Make sure you rub some scent from the old one onto the new one. There's a good chance he won't like the new one as much.

My cat doesn't have that same situation, but from time-to-time he'll act like that for 10 minutes with one toy. He never tires of the laser though.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on October 16, 2014, 12:45:46 PM
Excellent point... I'll have to remember that.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on October 19, 2014, 03:48:11 PM
The laser! Both of mine love it.
They are also in love with a string belt from an old dress of mine. It's about 8 feet long, and it is folded and sewn fabric, so I'm not worried about them accidentally eating it. They drag it around, play with it all the time, and the best part is that i can get one cat playing with one end of it, get the other cat at the other, and then they end up playing tug-of-war.

I've been away for a couple of days, and got back this morning. One of the cats has not left my side nor stopped puring since I got home. It's awfully sweet, and makes me sad that I'm leaving again tomorrow!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on October 20, 2014, 06:22:19 AM

They are also in love with a string belt from an old dress of mine.
My best friend has a cat (siamese) who loves a measuring tape. It looks like it's been through the wars now, but he carries it around, chases it and generally entertains himself.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on October 20, 2014, 10:48:00 PM
My previous cat, Nick, loved measuring tape - the flexible metal type. As soon as someone tried to use it, Nick was in action mode, attacking it with glee. Contractors, my dad, CR, me. Didn't matter. He'd pounce on it as soon as he heard it.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on October 31, 2014, 01:56:29 PM
does any of y'all's cats play fetch?  we've never boughten our cats any toys but we have them.  berny likes to play fetch.  it's funny.  he'll bring me a toy and i'll throw it over the couch and he'll be over the cushions and onto the floor in one bound.  of course i do the same thing
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on October 31, 2014, 02:14:00 PM
And then he brings it back to you? That's amazing. Mine will chase after quite a few things, but once the thing stops moving he just ignores it.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on October 31, 2014, 02:48:49 PM
My old cat could play fetch.  He was odd about it though.

I'd throw bits of wadded up paper.  Sometimes he would totally ignore it.  Other times, he'd chase it down but not bring it back.  Or chase it down but then walk around with it in his mouth for a bit and then drop it in a shoe or his water dish. 

Sometimes he would bring it back.  And some of those times I could hold out my hand and he'd drop it right into my palm.  Other times he'd bring it back but purposely drop it just out of reach.

Sometimes he would be really into it, and could go 5-10 minutes at a time until I got bored of it.  Then sometimes he'd bring it back once, and then if I threw it again he'd just look at me like "I'm not going to keep bringing this back to you if you're just going to lose it again."

I never really figured out what how he viewed it.  Like if he wasn't sure if throwing paper was just something I did every once in while for whatever reason, and it didn't matter if he brought it back but if he did I might throw it again and chasing it was fun.  Or if he thought "I better bring him his paper/prey, it seems important to him."  Or if he understood on some level that this was something that I did specifically for him, and this was a game.

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on October 31, 2014, 03:31:39 PM
Any of you that are up on Mrs. Butter's Facebook feed will see that we just welcomed a new cat into the family.  Went over to my mom's this past Monday, and she regularly feeds stray cats.  There was this one that is tiny, and is very skinny, but also extremely friendly.  I told Mrs. Butter about it, and next thing you know we're taking home a new cat.

Taking it this weekend to get its shots and whatnot.  And make an appointment to get fixed.  That makes 2 dogs and 2 cats for those of you keeping score at home.  The first cat did a lot of hissing and intimidation during Day 1, but after Day 2 (yesterday), they seemed to settle into a pattern of benign disinterest in each other, which is fine.

The dogs however are horrible.  They rush up to the new cat whenever it is near, and loom over it curiously, scaring the crap out of it.  They did this with Cat #1 as well, until they realized it was here for good.  The new cat is spooked easily though, so we are trying to be sensitive to that and letting it have the basement to itself for a few days first.

No idea how old this cat is or where it came from, but seems relatively healthy outside of being horrifically skinny.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on October 31, 2014, 03:32:00 PM
And then he brings it back to you? That's amazing. Mine will chase after quite a few things, but once the thing stops moving he just ignores it.

totally.  he gets his mouse and brings it back.  even better than a dog cuz sometimes dogs won't just drop their toy.  berny just stares at me if i don't immediately acknowledge him suggesting, "should i just drop the fucking thing in your lap?  throw the damn thing fucker." 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on December 15, 2014, 10:46:48 AM
On Saturday morning my cat started sneezing a lot. Like... a lot. He already sneezed occasionally, like I imagine any cat would, but this weekend it was quite a bit more.

Sunday might have been slightly better. Today I wasn't home long enough to determine if he's healing or something. But he's an indoor cat and didn't get outside or anything like that.

Any advice? Should I be worried? Should I take him to the vet? Should I wait it out? Is this a symptom of anything?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on December 15, 2014, 11:26:24 AM
Dan, have you switched his litter? Some litters are more dusty than others, and have different scents, either of which could cause kitty to sneeze.

It might be a cold or a respiratory infection. Probably worth taking him for a vet visit, as infections need to be treated with medicine.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on December 15, 2014, 12:47:34 PM
Nope, no new litter recently.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on December 15, 2014, 11:09:51 PM
how dry is your place?  if you have a lot of static electricity it could be the dryness and a small humidifier will help.  It's prime time for URIs (upper respiratory infections).
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on December 16, 2014, 12:47:04 PM
Yes, it's very dry! Super dry, in fact.

If I get the small humidifier (we were talking about one anyway) does that solve the infection, or do I need to go to the vet regardless?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on December 16, 2014, 10:07:01 PM
An URI can turn into pneumonia for cats, so if it's probably best just to have a vet check on it and give meds if needed. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on December 17, 2014, 09:07:51 AM
what does cat pneumonia look like?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on December 23, 2014, 08:47:42 AM
Dan, did you ever find out what was wrong with your kitty?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on December 23, 2014, 11:35:39 AM
I tried, but in the end I guess it was nothing. He sneezed a LOT from Saturday until mid-week. I scheduled a vet visit for the following Saturday (this past one) and between Thursday and Saturday the sneezing tapered off until when we took him to the vet he wasn't sneezing anymore. Oh well.

He needed his annual physical, including a few shots, so it wasn't a waste of time, but there was no diagnosis about the sneezing since it had stopped. I did buy a humidifier, too, but didn't get it up and running until this past weekend.

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on January 08, 2015, 10:36:46 AM
My cat sometimes will stand on his hind legs at a window or mirror and use the front two legs to look like he's running up the mirror. Or wiping it up and down, as if we had sprayed it with Windex and he's trying to clean it. When it's in front of a mirror I would theorize he's chasing his reflection, but I know he's done this at a window too, so maybe that's not it.

Does anyone else's cat do this? Any theories on why/what's happening?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on January 08, 2015, 12:54:43 PM
Your cat doesn't understand the difference between a window and mirror.  He's pawing at the invisible barrier preventing him from getting to what he sees.

That doesn't puzzle me.  What puzzles me is why cats are not fooled by TV like we are.  They don't think the TV is a window/invisible barrier, it's just a rectangular thing that emits light.

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on January 08, 2015, 10:50:42 PM
Dan, my cat does that too.  He stretches up and paws at the mirror.  He doesn't growl or "attack", he just sort of looks at himself. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on January 09, 2015, 06:43:25 AM
I've had cats that did that too, Dan. My late Linus wasn't fooled by mirrors, he'd use them to stalk toys (or me) in the apartment. Our current cat doesn't seem to really care about the other cat that's mimicking him.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Cockney Rebel on January 09, 2015, 10:56:38 AM
I posted this on FB for crowdsourcing response, let me try it here as well, see what R-Ville peeps have to say on the subject...

Murphy has been using the same brand of litter in his tray since we got him all those years ago. Never really been a problem until we moved into this apartment, where his toilet has been moved into a closet in our bathroom. He still uses it OK and doesn't seem to suffer any ill effects. However, we humans are finding that the litter (TidyCats Red) creates a whole crapload of dust which kicks up after he 'covers' and when we scoop and empty. We'd kinda like to swap his litter out for something that carries a lower 'dust bowl' effect which we know is a problem with most clay-based clumping products. So, here's the questions:-
A) What product?
B) Has anyone swapped out their cats litter product and found their cat is still happy to use whatever they squat down in?
If we can successfully find a different type of litter than doesn't create a dust we can then more easily relocate his litterbox and alleviate some structural remodeling we were contemplating to allow him continued access back to our bathroom but which would also give Lu and I some necessary 'privacy'. Your thoughts and advice appreciated in advance.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on January 09, 2015, 11:21:27 AM
my mother swears by fresh step so i use that.  i've never had the dust bowl effect and i've lived with my cats in a very spacious two bedroom apartment, a tiny den apartment, a first floor house, and now my own house.  damn, i moved a lot.  now that their shitter is in the basement, i sigh about once a week and venture down to empty their box.  usually there's a few pieces of shit lying around on the floor and i tell myself that i'm going to be more proactive in this endeavor.  and then i forget about it
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on January 09, 2015, 12:12:55 PM
I use Dr. Elsey's (http://www.amazon.com/Precious-Cat-Premium-Clumping-Litter/dp/B0009X29WK) and it claims to 99.9% dust free. Like you, it was the first one we gave him and I've never tried anything else. I can't complain about it at all though. Seems fantastic.

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on January 09, 2015, 03:07:28 PM
a friend sent us via mail (!) a pamphlet about cats and gun safety.  the two were intertwined.  the brochure's title was:  how to talk to your cat about gun safety.  lots of good info and pictures of cats cradling guns
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on January 09, 2015, 11:16:52 PM
a friend sent us via mail (!) a pamphlet about cats and gun safety.  the two were intertwined.  the brochure's title was:  how to talk to your cat about gun safety.  lots of good info and pictures of cats cradling guns
This is the most hilarious thing I've read today... maybe EVAH
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on January 12, 2015, 10:27:07 AM
Scan it and post here?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on January 12, 2015, 02:59:59 PM
I've seen a pic of it on FB (just the cover) and it is pretty darn funny.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on January 12, 2015, 05:18:53 PM
i don't have a scanner, though it's similar to http://www.theonion.com/articles/are-your-cats-old-enough-to-learn-about-jesus,11206/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/are-your-cats-old-enough-to-learn-about-jesus,11206/)
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on February 13, 2015, 02:33:44 PM
So there's a 90% chance that we are getting a 2nd cat tomorrow. Our current cat is 5 years old and he was in a space with another cat when we adopted him from the shelter 2 years ago. That shelter said that he'd be good in a home with another cat, which is a reason we wanted him: we intended to get another one. I just didn't realize it would take so long before we could make that happen, so now it's been 2 full years since he's even seen another cat. We think he's pretty bored with his lifestyle and are hoping a friend will keep him occupied better.

Any thoughts or advice on this? Is this a bad idea? We are hoping to get another male that is between the ages of 6 and 18 months old, but sometimes the rescue places don't have that, so we'll see. We intend to keep them in separate rooms for 2 or 3 days, but the problem is that our apartment literally has two doors in it: the bedroom and the bathroom. So, obviously, we are going to keep the new cat in the bedroom and the current cat can have the rest of the apartment.

Any ideas here? Please advise - I feel like the advice we got from the rescue place was from people who's only interest is getting their cats into homes, so they might not have been giving the best advice despite their good intentions.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on February 13, 2015, 03:34:19 PM
Dan, that is a tough question. I may have shared this story before, so apologies if I am repeating myself. Many (15?) years ago, I buckled under the pressure of my then-young daughter (she was probably 9 or 10 at the time) and we went out and got a second cat which was going to be "her" cat.

The cat I had at the time was maybe 6 or 7 years old.  The new cat was somewhere in the 12 months range. As soon as the new cat came home, all hell broke loose, and we had to separate the cats, and ended up isolating the new cat in my daughter's bedroom. This went on for a week, and then 2 weeks, and things didn't get any better at all. As soon as I let the new cat out from the bedroom, it was pandemonium. After a couple of weeks, I told my daughter that her cat simply had to go. She ended up taking the cat to her mom's house.

Bottom line: I had a horrible experience, and have never considered doing that again. There are obviously many other stories from people who never had a problem, so I guess it all comes down to the personalities of the two cats involved.

Since you're "90% certain" this is happening, best of luck! Hope it works out great for you guys.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on February 13, 2015, 04:58:38 PM
my advice might not be valuable, but whatever, it's only advice.  my roommate and i each got cats around the same time, he only got a cat simply because he couldn't name the one i brought home.  that's my theory anyway.  berny and furpal got along lovely, that is, until my roommate moved out.  so my girlfriend and i decided that berny needed another friend.  we went to the zoo and picked out squishface.  they've been old chums since the get go, causing mischief, nightly intrigue coupled with hijinx, fleas....  i think it's a great idea
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on February 13, 2015, 10:49:28 PM
It's always different because some adjust much more quickly than others, but here are the general guidelines:
http://www.americanhumane.org/animals/adoption-pet-care/cat-behavior/introducing-cats-to-cats.html
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on February 15, 2015, 05:35:35 PM
Thanks for the responses guys. And the link, trixi. We did get a 2nd cat yesterday and so far we are keeping them in separate rooms. The new guy is very shy and hides under the bed mostly. There was some hissing through the door yesterday, but none (so far) today. Hopefully after a few days we can try to introduce them.

The new guy LOVES pets, though!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on February 15, 2015, 05:58:48 PM
Expect fighting.  A LOT of fighting.  And it could go on for months.

After the initial fighting period, my two cats got on okay.  I wouldn't say they were ever best friends, but I'd find them curled up asleep together every once in a while.  They used to play together, too.

Originally the less-outgoing, less-aggressive cat was also the stronger cat.  The other cat mostly had the lay of the land just through sheer constant energy.  He was always messing with the other cat.  The other cat might play with him for a bit, or he might not but would mostly just run off somewhere for peace.   And if the other cat kept annoying him at some point he'd finally just beat him up.  Either that, or I'd notice it and distract the more energetic cat with a game of fetch or something until he got tired.The other cat wasn't trying to be jerky for the most part, he just wanted to play.


Dominance seemed to shift back and forth between the two cats, so for the most part the balance of power was even and that kept the peace.  As they got older though, the one cat mellowed out even more and has less and less energy for the other cat.  And so they just stopped hanging out.  They didn't fight but basically established their own spaces, with the one cat having by far the most territory and the other kind of reduced to the fringes.

Then the one dominant cat died.  I feel like the remaining cat is actually happier now in his twilight years, as he finally has the whole house to himself.

So I guess it worked out okay.  I don't feel like ALL cats are happier with another cat.  And not all cats get along.  But if you pay attention to their personalities it should work out.  If I had it to do again knowing what I know now, I would not have chosen to put those two cats together.




Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on February 16, 2015, 04:14:42 PM
I had two cats, and after the older one died, the younger cat (he was about 4 at the time) was miserable. He cried at me for hours when I got home from work- how his day way, what the squirrels were doing, etc. So I decided he needed his own kitten.

Got a 9month kitten from a rescue group, and tried keeping them apart. The fun thing about being in an old house is that the doors wouldn't latch well, so I sort of closed the kitten into the bathroom. He could pull on the door and see out, but couldn't get out, or so I thought! My goal was to keep them separated for a week, or at least a few days. Well, I discover the first night that he could pull on the door enough that he could escape, and the two cats met each other that way. There was some hissing and running away, but nothing major.  Now, 7 or so years later, they get along just fine. The younger is definitely dominant, but they play with each other, and both have their own spaces in the apartment. And the older cat stopped crying as soon as I got him the kitten.

They will be fine!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on February 17, 2015, 11:19:49 AM
So far so good. We did the new cat in the bedroom thing and have switched them once. Last night we put a screen up between the bedroom and the hallway and let them look at each other, but they haven't had a chance to hang out. There's been no more hissing (so far) and when we put the screen up there was interest in each other at first, but after a little bit it sort of waned.

The new cat has given off the impression of being a scaredy cat and being a wuss. However, he also was staring down the older cat. The older cat seems to have more energy and is bigger/stronger, so we assumed he'd be the alpha. But now the line has shifted closer to 50/50. I am guessing the older cat still, but we'll see.

Fun fact: the new cat doesn't seem to know how to meow. Instead, he makes a sound like a bird-of-prey! The g/f loves it.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on February 17, 2015, 01:43:59 PM
My cat had been sneezing for about 6 months. He didn't seem to be in any distress, and was still eating and playing with the other cat. But I decided I better take him to the vet since it didn't seem to be getting any better.  The vet didn't find anything wrong with him, and was a bit puzzled by his sneezing (it might be an infection? But it might not?) so she wrote a 10 day prescription of zithromyacin for the cat. 

Yay, getting to give a cat meds!  Anyway, I gave him the medicine, he didn't try to kill me, and lo and behold, the sneezing has stopped. So, evidently he really did have an infection.  I feel bad that I made him go so long with it untreated.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on February 17, 2015, 07:45:35 PM
But cats are so cute when they sneeze.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on February 17, 2015, 08:16:03 PM
well, I will let him sneeze on you!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on February 18, 2015, 10:20:06 AM
I've gotten sneezed on enough ... I'll pass. :)

We introduced them last night and this morning and let them hang out. There was a lot of tentativeness and scaredy-cat behavior and only minimal hissing/swatting at each other. I take this as a great sign.

Tonight we are going to let them hang out for much of the evening rather than just 30 minutes or so. I am hoping we can leave the door open to the bedroom all night, but maybe that's wishful thinking, too. We are both very optimistic at this point - maybe they won't be friends but at least they can be acquaintances.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on February 18, 2015, 11:17:42 AM
So far so good. We did the new cat in the bedroom thing and have switched them once. Last night we put a screen up between the bedroom and the hallway and let them look at each other, but they haven't had a chance to hang out. There's been no more hissing (so far) and when we put the screen up there was interest in each other at first, but after a little bit it sort of waned.

The new cat has given off the impression of being a scaredy cat and being a wuss. However, he also was staring down the older cat. The older cat seems to have more energy and is bigger/stronger, so we assumed he'd be the alpha. But now the line has shifted closer to 50/50. I am guessing the older cat still, but we'll see.

Fun fact: the new cat doesn't seem to know how to meow. Instead, he makes a sound like a bird-of-prey! The g/f loves it.

wait, what's this?  is this a thing?  you slowly introduce your cats?  when i brought squishface home i let him out of the cat carrier and went and made eggs, more or less.  berny was curious but squishface was hiding so i really couldn't do anything about it except, well make eggs.   

that fun fact is great!  can you give us a voice recording?  squishface wouldn't meow for the longest, he would, but no sound emitted.  we thought he might be a mute.  christ that woulda been great.  coolest cat ever
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on February 19, 2015, 09:59:12 AM
Everything I read says that is the best way to introduce cats. This allows them to get used to the scents of each other without being actually threatened. Then you do other things that helps them associate positive elements with the other cat scent such as eating (food bowls near the divide) and so on. They say that any pair of cats will be different, and who knows, maybe yours were bound to be buddies no matter what, but this is a good strategy. Ours have been together a little bit now and they are very interested/cautious of each other and they are feeling out their situation. Not much in the way of hissing or screeching so far and thus I'm inclined to think that the slow introduction thing has worked.


We have a new issue that I haven't researched yet (I'll google it later):

Our first cat, Taco, is a food motivated fella who eats up anything we give him instantly. If we need his attention we just give him food and BAM! he's there. It's as if he is a vacuum he eats it so fast. He wants to be fat so we have been giving him what we think is the right amount of food (he's only gained maybe one pound since we got him) and therefore he's always always always asking for more. He's a lean 13 pounds now which is pretty hefty.

The new cat, Waffles, seems to be a slllooooooowww eater and more of a grazer in general. He doesn't come running for food or even really desire it. Obviously he eats but it's casually and over the course of the day.


The problem: how do we get Waffles his food? If we just leave it out, Taco will eat both cats' food, and he'll do it quickly.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on February 19, 2015, 11:10:18 AM
The new cat, Waffles, seems to be a slllooooooowww eater and more of a grazer in general. He doesn't come running for food or even really desire it. Obviously he eats but it's casually and over the course of the day.

The problem: how do we get Waffles his food? If we just leave it out, Taco will eat both cats' food, and he'll do it quickly.
You may want to hit up Jackson Galaxy's website/youtube stream for some help on the feed thing. We had that issue when we brought both our boys home from the shelter but they both got over it. And, now that Michael is the lone kitty he doesn't scarf the food like he used to.

This is an expensive option, but, it's an option: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3261+1910+25998&pcatid=25998 (http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3261+1910+25998&pcatid=25998)
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on February 19, 2015, 11:29:35 AM
I love that product!
(theoretically, anyway)
It's like its deliciously evil!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: cuddlyevil on February 19, 2015, 02:05:56 PM
I'm just coming in to say that Waffles is one of my all time, favorite names for a cat.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on February 20, 2015, 06:32:43 AM
I love that product!
(theoretically, anyway)
It's like its deliciously evil!
Hee. Hey, it's not evil if it works.  :D
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on February 20, 2015, 07:20:52 AM
I was hoping it was retinal scan.  I am disappointed.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on February 20, 2015, 09:07:44 AM
We were laughing about this last night. Waffles is good at sitting in one place...and not doing much. We figure what would happen is that he'd sit near this feeder thing, causing the lid to open, and Taco would waltz on over and eat up the food.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on March 17, 2015, 01:38:41 PM
Pretty sure my cat has gone deaf.  Maybe not completely deaf, but pretty close.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on March 17, 2015, 01:57:10 PM
Pretty sure my cat has gone deaf.  Maybe not completely deaf, but pretty close.

Any reason you can pinpoint for this (other than perhaps age)? Are you going to have kitty checked out?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on March 17, 2015, 02:28:50 PM
I'm leaning against taking him to the vet.

You know how cats are.  They are really good at hiding things and learning how to cope.  I think his hearing has been going for quite some time.  I think I would have definitely noticed a change in behavior if it had happened quickly.

It took me a long time to figure out what happened.  It's like a lot of small changes in behavior that could easily just be your cat being weird, or your cat getting a little older, or whatever.  It's not until I added it all up that I suspected he was having trouble hearing.  And by the time you actually notice something like that in a cat, it's probably been that way awhile.

So, not really sure what going to the vet accomplishes at this point.  He's almost 18 years old now, so I'm guessing probably his vision isn't what it used to be either.  But he still gets around fine, and jumps on counters and sprints around the house every now and again. He still seems pretty happy and eats a lot and everything.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on March 17, 2015, 03:39:17 PM
Yeah, sounds like an old age thing.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on March 17, 2015, 05:29:43 PM
I wouldn't take him to the vet either. The cat sounds happy. 18 years is a blessed age!

PS The cat's probably gone deaf on purpose so as not to have to listen to ZK anymore  :P
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on March 17, 2015, 07:56:28 PM
If he's otherwise behaving as usual, I'd leave him be. 18 is no spring chicken for kitties!

My weirdo cat has taken to licking my fingernails. It's strange.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on March 17, 2015, 11:07:47 PM
My weirdo cat has taken to licking my fingernails. It's strange.
All cats are weird in one way or another. My cat at times does the weirdest things too. But he's my bestest buddy and that is all that matters.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on March 18, 2015, 06:20:28 AM
One of my co-workers has a kitty who went deaf and she's doing just fine. Now, she's lost some of her vision due to high blood pressure and, after a week of walking into stuff, she's adjusted fine. It wouldn't hurt to get him checked out but, since he seems okay, there's probably no reason to make a big deal out of it.

My weirdo cat has taken to licking my fingernails. It's strange.

HA! Cats are weird. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on March 18, 2015, 10:34:55 AM
the lady has been complaining of headaches so i picked up a cat that was lying around and moved him around her head.  i said, "doctor berny says yous a ok!"  she asked why i did that.  "cat scan!" 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2015, 01:19:57 PM
the lady has been complaining of headaches so i picked up a cat that was lying around and moved him around her head.  i said, "doctor berny says yous a ok!"  she asked why i did that.  "cat scan!" 

Skyline Chili Post of the Day
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on March 18, 2015, 02:42:07 PM
Our lil fella has been poorly recently. He had his annual vet visit a few months ago and was given a clean bill of health, aside from a little bit of weight loss. We were asked to bring him back in a few months for an assessment, but the vet we liked in that practice retired and we weren't too keen on his partner (who is more of a dog person than a cat person), so we took him to a new vet practice for the assessment. This vet came highly recommended by several friends.

Murphy had lost four pounds, basically about a pound a month. His blood work was good but urinalysis turned up a UTI, which meant administering antibiotics to him twice a day for 10 days. The new vet recommended we feed him Nutro kitten food (we'd been feeding him a mixture of Blue Buffalo and Nutro Senior).

Two days after finishing the antibiotics, Murphy had a bad seizure in front of CR and hasn't really been the same since. He is feeble and has to pause before walking or jumping. He isn't as chatty and isn't climbing all over us like he normally does. He's always been a very social cat, but now he is lethargic and doesn't follow us from room to room while pontificating loudly - as was the norm before the seizure.

We got no joy from the new vet, who simply wasn't concerned because he said Murphy's blood work was fine and he was healthy, with a good heart and lungs. We asked if the medicine might have contributed to the seizure, but the vet said no. His solution was to give him a cortisone injection and send him on his way.

The injection didn't do any good, so after speaking to the new vet (who was still unconcerned) CR rang up the old vet practice and asked if we could bring Murphy in. The old practice now has a new vet that just joined, and he was very good with Murphy and after looking over the blood work (sent from the other new vet) and examining Murphy, he said that he's pretty sure Murphy had a blood clot that caused the seizure. He said it could also be a brain tumor.

Murphy is now on heart and blood medicine for 15 days, then has another assessment and more blood work. He may also have an X-ray/MRI to (hopefully) rule out a brain tumor.

Poor fella. The good thing is that the new food we are feeding him has helped - he's gained a pound in the past 10 days.

Any vibes you can spare, please send them to our little fuzzer.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2015, 05:48:32 PM
Aww. That's so heartbreaking. :(
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on March 18, 2015, 06:04:35 PM
Hugs for Murphy and you guys!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on March 18, 2015, 10:57:51 PM
awww.. as a cat lover (and owner) myself, I hate to hear these stories.... Here's hoping Murphy gets better again.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on March 19, 2015, 06:33:55 AM
Aww, poor little Murph. I hope he's improving.

I'll share a story from one of my co-workers, she has 3 cats (all over the age of 12). Her Hermoine had a seizure/stroke incident last summer. Similar to Murphy, her bloodwork came back fine and when the vets looked her over they didn't find anything wrong. It took a few weeks of recovery, but, she was mostly back to her normal Tortie self. She did lose some of her hearing. Although, the vet wasn't sure if that was due to whatever neurological incident she had or genetics.

Here's hoping Murphy can bounce back!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on March 19, 2015, 08:14:25 AM
Thanks for letting me know about your coworker's kitty. It gives us hope!

Murphy seems to be doing alright, just not the same cat as before the seizure. He still grooms himself fastidiously and has a shiny, glossy coat, he still nuzzles us with his head and purrs, and still gives us kitty kisses (licks) on our hands and faces.

But when we stroke his back, his hind end no longer raises up like it used to, and he doesn't clamor for belly-rubs anymore.

We just want to be sure that whatever has happened to him hasn't left him in pain. He doesn't seem to be in pain, but cats are good as masking illness.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: kcneon on March 19, 2015, 11:53:31 AM
Poor Murphy!  I'm glad he's still showing affection, but I'm sure it's heartbreaking for you both to see those changes in him.  At least it's a good sign he gained a pound back so far.  {{hugs}} to you all!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: cuddlyevil on March 19, 2015, 02:58:07 PM
Poor Murph! I hope he's on the mend soon!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Cockney Rebel on March 19, 2015, 03:06:16 PM
The (better) vet said that he didn't suspect Murphy was in any kind of pain. More likely mild discomfort and confusion the same as would beset an elderly human. Hell, that besets me!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on March 19, 2015, 04:41:46 PM
Poor Murph!  Lots of pets and scratches for him!
I hope he comes back around to himself.  I would think still taking care of himself would be a good sign, right?  It's good that you're paying attention to his actions so you can see what's happening. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on April 02, 2015, 09:48:56 AM
I think the good vibes (and iron supplements) are helping, as Murphy has perked up considerably in the past few days and seems more like his old self. A thinner, smaller version of his old self, but he's rediscovered his voice and personality. This morning we found that his toy catnip fish (named Mr. Chips) had moved from one place to another, which we think means that Murphy might have played with it a bit in the night - another good sign. He still hasn't touched Octopussy (his most favorite toy), but hopefully soon he and Octopussy will resume their nightly battles.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on April 02, 2015, 06:51:57 PM
I think the good vibes (and iron supplements) are helping, as Murphy has perked up considerably in the past few days and seems more like his old self. A thinner, smaller version of his old self, but he's rediscovered his voice and personality. This morning we found that his toy catnip fish (named Mr. Chips) had moved from one place to another, which we think means that Murphy might have played with it a bit in the night - another good sign. He still hasn't touched Octopussy (his most favorite toy), but hopefully soon he and Octopussy will resume their nightly battles.

Yay!  Maybe I should bring him a mouse so he can tear its tail off. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on April 06, 2015, 06:27:32 AM
Can cats suffer from PTSD? Our cat, Michael, had a rather epic freakout last night. We're not sure whether I inadvertently triggered some sort of flashback or if he was completely overstimulated and then got pushed over the edge.

He was hanging out by the back door (which was open) stalking squirrels, I went into the kitchen to grab some leftovers and he came running in as I was pulling the ziploc o'ham out of the fridge. I saw him and tossed the bag onto the counter and he went from excited to terrified and ran to hide under the bed. He skulked between the bed and under the dining room table for about an hour. Then he decided he wanted to be near us but not let us near him. He followed me downstairs into the laundry room, bathroom, etc... as long as he could see me he was calmer. It took about 2 hours for him to really calm down, he snuggled into my unfolded laundry and hung out for awhile. Before I went to sleep he'd made peace with my fiance and snuggled in by my feet. Around 2am, he came up and snuggled near my head (which he only does very rarely) and stayed until my alarm went off. He was acting normally this morning, purring and lovey. Which makes last night so odd. We never did get his medical records from the shelter (the lady who had previously adopted him didn't return them when she returned him) so we have no idea if there's abuse or trauma in his past. He's typically a laidback, purring, loving kitty with both of us bipeds so it was upsetting to see him at Defcon 5 level.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on April 06, 2015, 09:22:56 AM
From what I understand (the little that I do...) yes they probably can have PTSD.

That being said, my unsubstantiated opinion is that cats can get over themselves in about a day, so if there was a problem and a day later he's fine.... then he's probably fine. If the issue lasts more than 24 hours then it needs to be looked at.

Glad he's acting normal again!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on April 06, 2015, 09:36:17 AM
From what I understand (the little that I do...) yes they probably can have PTSD.

That being said, my unsubstantiated opinion is that cats can get over themselves in about a day, so if there was a problem and a day later he's fine.... then he's probably fine. If the issue lasts more than 24 hours then it needs to be looked at.

Glad he's acting normal again!
Me too!

I did a little research this morning and got some good ideas from Jackson Galaxy's website. The more I think about yesterday and just how it was such an abnormal  day, he might have just gotten way overstimulated. And the noise/movement of a flying bag of ham as he entered the kitchen was so unexpected that it sent him over the edge. I've been thinking of it like how an overtired, overexcited toddler melts down for no apparent reason when they hit their limit. That's probably what happened yesterday. We're keeping an eye on him and will be winging him to the Vet if it looks to be a pattern. But, we're both thrilled that he was back to his usual chatty, lovey self this morning.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on April 06, 2015, 02:02:37 PM
My cats are NOT going to be happy with me. My apartment is getting the windows replaced, which will happen sometime over an undetermined 5 day period.  (It was supposed to start Thursday, has been pushed back to tomorrow, and I'll believe it when I see it) The kicker is that I have to "contain" the cats- which means they will have to start spending the day in the bathroom, which they will not like.  Of course, I leave to go out of town tomorrow, so it's my cat sitters who will have to do the corralling and penning.  And the rental office is crap about letting me know when/if they are working on the windows.  I had to drop off my rent on Thursday morning and asked if they were starting on the windows. "Oh, that's not until Tuesday"... um, when were you going to let me know? I would have had pissed off, penned in critters!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: lutz on April 07, 2015, 12:55:53 PM
Can cats suffer from PTSD?
I don't know about PTSD, per se, but my friend's cat used to need dosing up on Prozac. She had to smash it up with garlicky chicken to get him to eat it.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2015, 01:28:29 PM
Any vibes you have to spare for my 5 yr old cat Taco would be appreciated. He's been sick since Friday - vomiting, lethargy, vomiting, dry mouth, vomiting, acting unusual and different, vomiting, and did I mention vomiting? We took him to the vet on Sunday morning and they kept him there overnight. They sedated him and did all this stuff and they basically sent him home with a clean bill of health. $565 to tell me that my cat is fine. Except he's not fine at all. Did I mention the vomit?

I don't know what to do - I'm convinced that he's either got something stuck in his throat (the vet said there isn't anything) or he's just straight up dying. I don't know. There's very little explanation.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on April 07, 2015, 01:37:27 PM
Is there any vomiting?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on April 07, 2015, 03:06:34 PM
Did he just say he was fine or did they give you a list of the tests they did to rule out different stuff?  Seems like this could be narrowed down.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2015, 03:14:59 PM
They didn't say he was fine, per se, but rather that they ran all these tests (X-Rays, blood tests, stool samples, and maybe one or two others that I can't remember) and said that all those tests revealed that he didn't have what they were testing for.

Since I think he's got something in his throat, I mentioned it to them. They said they checked under his tongue and there were no foreign objects (is that the same as checking his throat? I don't know.) and the X-Rays didn't show anything in his stomach.

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on April 07, 2015, 03:27:09 PM
Oh, poor Taco. Is it possible that he ate something that he shouldn't have? How's he doing now?

If he's not showing any improvement, I'd be very tempted to take Taco to a different vet for a second opinion.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on April 07, 2015, 04:09:10 PM
Yeah, he might have swallowed a string or long human hair or something like that, which is triggering his gag/vomit reflex. I hope he gets some relief soon.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2015, 04:26:02 PM
Basically, that's my hope. I mean, it solves the problem pretty fast and isn't some complicated illness needing vast medications.

To be fair, he did just get sedated and had a ton of tests run on him, so he might be out-of-sorts from that too. My g/f thought there was more life in his eyes today but I don't know if I saw that, too. Still, that doesn't explain the gagging.

A second vet is in the discussion at the moment. We'll find out more when we get home tonight. He's also barely eating and has lost a whole pound recently.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: c-lando on April 07, 2015, 05:07:09 PM
Sending tons of kitty vibes!!!!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on April 07, 2015, 08:07:40 PM
Vibes for Taco. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on April 07, 2015, 11:07:34 PM
So sorry to hear Dan... sending good vibes your way (and Taco's way)

Just curious... how did he end up with that name? I love hearing how cats are named
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on April 08, 2015, 09:35:40 AM
Just curious... how did he end up with that name? I love hearing how cats are named

It's a palindrome! TACOCAT

Basically...I'm a nerd. It made me laugh. There's nothing more to it than that.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on April 20, 2015, 10:57:08 PM
How is Taco? I hope he's better (and not vomiting)
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on April 21, 2015, 10:08:27 AM
Yeah, it seems to have calmed down. We took him to the vet, they ran the battery of tests, and then sent him home the next day saying he was fine. Clearly, he wasn't fine. So we went to a 2nd vet. This vet gave him a steroid shot and said to call the next day. He still vomited a little but seemed a little better. So we put him on steroid pills - and he perked up almost instantly. We did three days of that and then switched down to a half-pill. Within a day he went back to being sickly, so the vet said to put him back on the full steroid pill and call back in 5 days. He's been great since then. No vomiting, his normal playful self, generally being a cat.

Yesterday was the first day where we went back down to the half-pill dosage of the steroid and we were very observant of him looking for signs of sickness again. So far so good - last night and this morning he seemed pretty normal. So I think (hoping) he's going to be okay. We're doing the half-pill dosage through Friday and then will do one every-other day for a while.

We don't really know what he was sick from. There's a theory that it's asthma right now - if the reduced steroid dosages don't work then we will probably have to do a cat inhaler thing. It doesn't sound very pleasant. There was also some talk of a stomach thing with an inflammation or something. I wasn't really sure what the word was that the vet said, but the vet seems to have moved on to the asthma theory.

We'll see tonight and tomorrow night how he's feeling! I guess it's a constant checking on him for every step of the way.

Fortunately, the vomiting seems to have disappeared, so that's at least pleasant.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on April 21, 2015, 04:15:32 PM
Taco, the steroids-addicted cat.

Melikes.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on April 21, 2015, 04:26:03 PM
Using an inhaler on a cat is actually not hard to do and it will be better for him in the long run than giving steroid pills. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on April 21, 2015, 05:55:03 PM
Taco, the steroids-addicted cat.

Melikes.

He had lost 2 lbs, going from 13 lbs to 11 lbs, and if he hadn't lost all that weight (15% of his total weight!) then I would have been making roid-rage jokes and such. Instead, he looks all skinny.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on April 21, 2015, 07:17:01 PM
Glad he's doing better! And cats are just weird, man.

I'll have to see pictures of a kitty asthma inhaler. What I'm envisioning is something from Mad Max.

Mine have almost forgiven me for being away for two weeks. But they are pissed off because the windows are being replaced in the apartment, so they are having to be locked in the bathroom during the day. The kicker is that there has been so much rain that what should have been five days (and no more imprisonment) has spread to three weeks already. And they still aren't finished.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on April 21, 2015, 09:50:08 PM
http://www.theveterinaryexpert.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Fig-22.jpg (http://www.theveterinaryexpert.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Fig-22.jpg)
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on April 21, 2015, 10:50:37 PM
Taco, the steroids-addicted cat.

Melikes.

He had lost 2 lbs, going from 13 lbs to 11 lbs, and if he hadn't lost all that weight (15% of his total weight!) then I would have been making roid-rage jokes and such. Instead, he looks all skinny.
aww Dan, sorry. It was meant in jest....
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on April 22, 2015, 02:54:59 PM
Taco, the steroids-addicted cat.

Melikes.

He had lost 2 lbs, going from 13 lbs to 11 lbs, and if he hadn't lost all that weight (15% of his total weight!) then I would have been making roid-rage jokes and such. Instead, he looks all skinny.
aww Dan, sorry. It was meant in jest....

No offense taken! I was just lamenting the fact that I haven't been joining you in the silliness as much as I want to.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on April 28, 2015, 09:57:20 AM
It is really amazing how well Murphy has bounced back from the brink. New (old practice) vet diagnosed him as anemic and prescribed liquid iron supplements, and he is so much better. He's gaining weight and his over-the-top personality has returned. So glad our furry fella is happy and healthy again.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on April 28, 2015, 10:16:22 AM
I know what you mean! Taco is recovering nicely and we are finally weaning him off the 'roids. I missed his jerkiness so much. I mean, I hate it now - he's a jerk! - but life was depressing without it.

So happy for Murph!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: c-lando on April 28, 2015, 11:14:28 AM
Happy to hear the good news about Murphles!!!!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on April 28, 2015, 05:11:15 PM
Yay! Glad for good Murphy news (and Taco, too!)

I woke up to the sound of my cat yakking this morning. Unfortunately, he puked in my bed. Ugh.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on May 01, 2015, 11:20:51 PM
I woke up to the sound of my cat yakking this morning. Unfortunately, he puked in my bed. Ugh.
And what did you do about that? Kiss him or kick him? LOL
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on May 03, 2015, 12:50:55 AM
He jumped off the bed and then hid under the couch.
I got up and cleaned up the comforter, and then tried to go back to sleep for the hour before the alarm clock went off.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on May 09, 2015, 12:54:44 AM
how long do you wait for a cat before you right him off for good?  berny isn't an outside cat but he really wants to be.  he's been out since about nine.  i hope he comes back, but he got out at the least opportune time as we'll be in athens for the weekend.  what do you, like, do?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on May 09, 2015, 11:11:56 AM
Stand outside and call for him, and shake his cat food or whatever you do to get him to come when you feed him.

And if you have a neighbor who has keys, ask them to keep an eye out for him and let him in?

That's tough!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on May 09, 2015, 11:19:32 AM
You can also put his litter box outside and a bed (or something) that he lays on.  He'll recognize his own scent and be attracted to it.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on May 09, 2015, 04:22:30 PM
That's a good piece of advice from Trixi. I hope he comes home!

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on May 11, 2015, 09:58:14 AM
There are tons of stories of cats disappearing for a few days and then suddenly reappearing. Sometimes even a few weeks.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 11, 2015, 02:52:19 PM
You should probably not listen to The Weakerthans' two songs about Virtute the cat....
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on May 15, 2015, 12:29:01 PM
berny actually was in the neighbor's yard the whole time.  i stayed up a few more hours and then opened the door and called his name.  he was on the neighbor's porch, probably the whole time.  he's been wanting to get outside for a few weeks now and we really want to oblige, but we live in the city and not really sure how to go about it outside watching him the entire time.  i couldn't imagine living my entire life inside a house, so we want to give him some freedom.  maybe dan's got some cat book he can recommend.   :) 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on June 02, 2015, 02:16:30 PM
We had to put our sweet lil boy to sleep today.

Crushed.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on June 02, 2015, 02:26:34 PM
So sorry to hear that, MK...

Very sad indeed.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: cuddlyevil on June 02, 2015, 03:58:42 PM
Oh MK, I am so sorry  :'(
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2015, 04:23:45 PM
Oh no MK. So very sorry. Will be sending cat vibes to you guys. And purrs and cuddles from Taco and Waffles, too.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on June 03, 2015, 09:53:36 PM
xoxo- thinking of you and Steve.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on June 04, 2015, 06:28:32 AM
Oh no!! I am so sorry MK. Sending all kinds of hugs and cuddles to you both.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on September 03, 2015, 12:12:38 PM
Mimic, my 7 or 8 yr. old cat, recently (2-3 weeks ago) had some serious dental surgery. He had 5 teeth pulled, including 3 of the big 4 upfront. After the surgery he was put on wet food for several weeks, which he never had before. I now put him back on dry food. Seems like he's not eating it as much or as heartily as before the surgery. I looked at his teeth last night, and frankly, not much is left! Should I put him back to wet food, or stick it out and hope he'll adjust.

Totally unrelated (or perhaps not). I have no idea why Mimic's teeth were in such sorry shape. Do you see a link between the quality of the food and the state of your cat's teeth? I was feeding him fairly cheap dry food, and have for the almost 6 years that he's been with me. It never seemed to bother him, and in fact he ate all too well (he's gained weight over the years). He's lost some weight in the 2-3 weeks when I had to shift to wet food.

Thoughts, cat lovers?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on September 03, 2015, 12:41:38 PM
Our vet told us that some breeds are predisposed to having dental issues, so it may be as simple as that. When we adopted Murphy he was already age 7 and had at least one or two teeth extracted. He had four more removed over the course of his years with us. He wasn't much interested in canned food until we tried him on the tiny chunked kind in gravy. He liked that a lot - moreso the gravy, I think. We also switched his dry for a better caliber dry food, which seemed to help. And we discovered - when CR made himself tuna on crackers - that Murphy went absolutely bonkers for real tuna. We added it to his menu and lived with the tuna breath.

We were never brave enough to attempt brushing his teeth, but I think Trixi has tried it with Twizzle so maybe she can chime in on that?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on September 03, 2015, 12:44:22 PM
I don't know the answers for you. I am not an expert and would cede to anyone else. That being said:

What's wrong with keeping him on the wet food? It's better for him (usually: make sure it's grain-free food) because there's some wetness to it which is something cats typically need. It's more expensive sometimes, but overall it's not really an expensive part of your life.

The cheap food might have been the reason - the cheaper the food, the more the cats tend to love it, but the worse it is for them. I don't know the details on HOW it is worse for cats, but perhaps ruining his teeth might be part of it.

Every vet I've been to, and every cat "expert" has advised to go with the higher quality stuff. I sometimes wonder if they just say that because it's easy to say, but in the end my cats seem healthy and their coats are very sheen and soft. They eat the food - Wellness or something in that range - and enjoy it. They might not have at first but they quickly adjusted.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 03, 2015, 02:04:51 PM
Totally unrelated (or perhaps not). I have no idea why Mimic's teeth were in such sorry shape. Do you see a link between the quality of the food and the state of your cat's teeth? I was feeding him fairly cheap dry food, and have for the almost 6 years that he's been with me. It never seemed to bother him, and in fact he ate all too well (he's gained weight over the years). He's lost some weight in the 2-3 weeks when I had to shift to wet food.

I don't have any specific advice about the dental issues, but I will say that in my experience a higher quality of food is a no brainer for the health of your pet.  My parents started feeding their cats a higher grade of food after they had issues with crystals forming in their urinal tracts, which I know is common.  Not only did that clear up, but once on the food we saw significant positive benefits including a healthier coat (and with that no more hairballs), weight loss, and these cats have now significantly outlived their predecessors.  My mother in law has had a similar outcome with switching her pooch to better stuff.

Really, it's common sense.  You don't eat the cheapest shit you can get, do you?  Cat/Dog Chow and anything else at the grocery store is the equivalent of kitty/doggy Big Macs, it's all cheap filler.  It's a natural inclination to buy the cheap stuff, pet food is just a commodity to us, and the animals don't seem to know any different, but the quality of life is so much better that I almost see it as a responsibility to treat my (future, hypothetical) pets better.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on September 03, 2015, 03:51:37 PM
Thanks for the thoughts. All interesting stuff.

As to the cheap vs. more expensive dry food: so by chance I was given the opportunity to review high-quality dry cat food for Amazon. I jumped on the opportunity. Mimic is eating it, but it's not like he's going crazy over it. The price premium for this cat food is INSANE in my humble opinion: about $20 for a 3 lbs. bag. That's about 4X more than what I am used to paying.

I've had cats for most of my adult life, and I've never bought upgrade dry cat food. Like you said, I think of it as a commodity, and the cat doesn't know any better. Mimic's dental issues are the first serious health issues I've ever encountered with my cats these last 30 years or so. Still, I feel for Mimic so I want to do what's right. That said, surely there must be something that is upgrade dry cat food that doesn't cost $20 for a 3 lbs. bag???

The thing about wet food that I don't like is that when you put it out and your cat doesn't eat the whole thing, it just sits there and quickly becomes nasty (and the cat won't touch it anymore). Plus Mimic has eaten dry food all his life.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on September 03, 2015, 06:12:02 PM
As MK said, some breeds are predisposed.  Also, it's fairly common for older cats to lose teeth, and Mimic has reached that age.  It can sometimes also be dependent on the care they've had in the past (not suggesting you've given them bad care!!!).  We've taken in cats from several hoarding situations and many of them had dental issues that had to be dealt with.  We've had cats with no teeth eat dry food with no problems.  We'd leave out both wet and dry out and they'd eat what they wanted.  It may be that Mimic's mouth is still a bit tender so he may just be eating a bit less.  As for the drying out of the wet food (and I agree...it gets nasty) just put out a spoonful or 2 along with dried food.  If he eats all that, then you can add another couple of spoonfuls until you figure out that perfect amount when he'll eat it and not have it sit there.  Twizzle gets regular dry food (Cat Chow, Meow Mix, etc) and gets wet food for a treat once in a while.  If you want a decent dry food with a bit higher quality, but not super expensive, Purina ProPlan is good food.  I did try to brush his teeth and he made it clear (as he often does) that it wasn't to his liking.  So he gets tartar control treats.  Thus far, he's had no dental issues and he's 9.  If you decide to go high quality, you could support a local business that customizes pet food.  www.petbrosia.com 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2015, 11:29:56 AM
As to the cheap vs. more expensive dry food: so by chance I was given the opportunity to review high-quality dry cat food for Amazon. I jumped on the opportunity. Mimic is eating it, but it's not like he's going crazy over it. The price premium for this cat food is INSANE in my humble opinion: about $20 for a 3 lbs. bag. That's about 4X more than what I am used to paying.

I've had cats for most of my adult life, and I've never bought upgrade dry cat food. Like you said, I think of it as a commodity, and the cat doesn't know any better. Mimic's dental issues are the first serious health issues I've ever encountered with my cats these last 30 years or so. Still, I feel for Mimic so I want to do what's right. That said, surely there must be something that is upgrade dry cat food that doesn't cost $20 for a 3 lbs. bag???

This is an almost 6 pound bag for $25. That's a bit better, but is still considered higher quality food:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008J7GAC8?refRID=H970Z2SGR44Z2CETR2XW&ref_=pd_bia_yo_t_1

Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on September 04, 2015, 01:40:18 PM
The thing about wet food that I don't like is that when you put it out and your cat doesn't eat the whole thing, it just sits there and quickly becomes nasty (and the cat won't touch it anymore). Plus Mimic has eaten dry food all his life.

Don't feed them a full can all at once.

I feed my cat half a can in the morning, refrigerate the unused portion, then feed him the remainder when I get home.  Some people will warm up the food before serving it, but my cat doesn't seem to care.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2015, 03:38:56 PM
Some people will warm up the food before serving it

My cat didn't care, but I did. I felt like I was trying to imitate nature as their food would be warm ... fresh from the kill, you know?  Not hot...but somewhat warm.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on September 08, 2015, 01:37:41 PM
and as cats get older or if they have any smell issues (as in can't), it's good to heat it up so that they can smell the food. That's how they find it, not by sight. (According to my old vet)
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on September 30, 2015, 11:27:07 PM
3 weeks later... I've gotten accustomed to preparing wet food with some dry food mixed in it for Mimic. I prepare it in the morning before I go to work and then again in the evening when I get home. It seem to work well, as Mimic is not throwing up.

It is quite a departure from the earlier days when I just put out a bowl of dry food and Mimic would eat whenever he pleases. Now, he is eagerly awaiting my getting up in the morning, and then my getting back in the evening. Like the Pavlov effect. But hey, maybe it's better this way. The main thing is that he is not throwing up.

In my 30+ years of having cats, I've never done this before (mixing wet food with dry food), but different times, different approaches.

Also, I don't put the unused wet food in the fridge. I keep it in a pantry (with a sealed lid I got from the vet).

The new system seems to be working well.... <keeping fingers crossed> I've got the carpet cleaners coming in on Monday to remove the multiple stains on my carpet from Mimic's throwing up.

I love my little buddy Mimic (as if that wasn't clear yet). He's the most loveable cat I've ever had, really.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on October 01, 2015, 10:18:36 AM
Glad to hear Mimic is doing better with the addition of wet food. I hope he continues to give you many more years of happiness.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on October 01, 2015, 11:08:38 PM
Glad to hear Mimic is doing better with the addition of wet food. I hope he continues to give you many more years of happiness.
x2
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on January 06, 2016, 01:52:55 PM
i'm happy that cat's have apparent short term memory.  my father gave me this summer sausage, cracker thing for christmas and i got around to it since the wife and i aren't terribly fond of the grocery store.  berny was sniffing around.  i went to take a leak and said to berny under no circumstances are you allowed to eat this.  i get back and he's got the casing in his mouth.  i yelled and gave him the most verbal of lashings, something in the vain of that's not what good cats do, while all along i knew it was my fault.  he skirted off upstairs or downstairs.  god knows where cats go.  i saw him again in two minutes. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on January 06, 2016, 02:24:49 PM
LOL, dd. That's some good stuff.

Serious question, even if it doesn't sound serious:

Is is possible that a cat can sleep too much? Like, we know that cats sleep...some sleep a LOT. But Waffles seems to sleep ALL THE TIME. He's awake maybe around 5 or 6 am until we feed him at 7:30. He'll then rouse himself for his 6:30 pm feeding, but it's an awake for only 10 or 20 minutes. Then he usually comes alive to chase the laser and get his evening feeding from 10 to 11 pm. Then it's back to sleep.

Repeat.

Is this okay? Supposedly he was about 2 years old when we got him 11 months ago. So he's only about 3 years, but acts like he's 17 years old. Should we be worried? Does anyone know about this stuff?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on January 06, 2016, 03:03:49 PM
you're not around him all day though.  don't cats normally sleep 18 hours a day?  which is hilarious.  the rest of the time they're just fucking up your shit.  they are nocturnal, or so i've read.  well hell, you're the one that read all those damn cat books!   ;D
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on January 06, 2016, 03:24:00 PM
Hah. True, they are alone some of the time. But on the days when we are home all day....that's all he does.

Yeah, the books said they sleep 16-20 hours per day so that's in line with Waffles. But damn that cat sleeps A LOT.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on January 06, 2016, 03:26:44 PM
When he's playing with the laser or whatever, is he energetic?  He might be bored, and sleeping because of this. Does he have a window to look out of?
It seems like alot to me, but I've not really paid attention to my cats and how much they sleep.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on January 06, 2016, 04:16:36 PM
He is energetic when chasing the laser. He also enjoys being groomed, but beyond those two things...he never has energy. Maybe before breakfast, I suppose, as he's demanding to be fed.

Yeah, we have windows and he looks out, although we are on the 5th floor so it's not like a house with street level activity.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on January 07, 2016, 06:11:44 AM
It seems like a lot to me, but he might just be an adorable, lazy bastard. He also could be bored. Is there any way that you can change up something inside the house? Move furniture (especially any cat furniture) or something? My late Linus used to get bored pretty easily and I would have to move his scratching posts periodically just to give him something different.

Is Waffles interacting with you guys (other than asking for food)? Or is he ignoring you and just sleeping? You might have to pay more attention to him. But, if there's nothing wrong with him, then this may be how he is.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on January 07, 2016, 07:06:27 AM
I wouldn't be worried at all unless he stops eating or has anything weird going on with his bathroom habits. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on January 07, 2016, 02:48:08 PM
here's another sort of serious question.  berny wants to be an outdoor cat, but we're overly protective.  we allow him outside if we are there.  but he belongs outside.  how do you do it? 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on January 07, 2016, 02:51:37 PM
i should mention that my neighborhood has a shit ton of stray cats.  we treat the fucker for fleas, but nothing else
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on January 07, 2016, 03:20:28 PM
I don't have an answer for you. I feel like I have imprisoned my cats. I just swallow my sympathy and force 'em to stay indoors.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on January 08, 2016, 12:10:32 PM
i'll never do it though.  the guy who owns the store we buy our cat food from suggests buying a harness to take our cats for walks.  i have no reason not to have already done this.  when berny was a little guy, he used to sit on my shoulders as i walked from my apartment to my girlfriends. 

and to your cat's laziness, have you considered getting another cat?  i don't mean toss waffles out, but bring in a friend. i've always had two cats and they're the best of pals
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on January 08, 2016, 12:33:37 PM
My two cats are indoors only (one is declawed, and I can't in good conscience let him out, though he'd be the better hunter, I'm sure). I will keep them inside because the liklihood of one of them getting hit by a car, mauled by another animal, or otherwise vanishing is too great to justify. They do have windows to look out of, and when I get a screened porch, they will be spending lots of time out there. I know they love to watch birds and squirrels, but I don't want them catching them. Well, the birds. They can go after all the bunnies, moles, and squirrels they want!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on January 08, 2016, 01:32:38 PM
and to your cat's laziness, have you considered getting another cat?  i don't mean toss waffles out, but bring in a friend. i've always had two cats and they're the best of pals

Yeah, we have two cats. Waffles is the 2nd one because I felt like the first one needed a friend.

Last night we decided that he's just a sleepy cat and that we were perhaps overstating/overthinking it. He was plenty energetic this morning, and he does a good deal of moving around. So no worries, for now.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on January 08, 2016, 02:30:33 PM
am i correct in saying he was also a rescue cat?  if so, perhaps now he can finally relax and catch up with cat related activities such as relaxing
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on January 08, 2016, 03:43:05 PM
Yep, both of them were from the shelters. And we were willing to give him time to adjust to his new life, but how much time before you start wondering? We've had him for 11 months now. I hope he's used to us, ya know?

We moved in August, so that could have upset him, but to be honest we think the two of them are behaving better since the move. Like, having a new apartment but the same buddy helped them settle a little bit.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on January 08, 2016, 11:18:31 PM
You might be paying attention to the wrong cat.

Cats are all about conserving energy.  So usually a happy but lazy cat will sleep someplace conspicuous.  Like a couch in a living room.  That way, when you walk in a room they will wake up and know they will be petted or get fed.

If your cat is sleeping in a secluded area, especially one where he is unlikely to be disturbed by the other cat or has a height advantage if he is, then the problem is with the active cat. 

You don't know what happens when you aren't around.  It's possible the other cat keeps waking him up.  Not necessarily because they aren't getting along, but because the other cat wants to play.

It's no different than people.  If you have two roommates that have different schedules or vastly different personalities, usually one of them just ends up holing up in their room and sleeping all the time.

So the trick is to take whichever cat is active and wanting to play at any moment, and tire them out.  Then when that cat goes to sleep the other one can get some peace and quiet.  And probably at some point then that other cat will want to play, and then you just wear him out. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on January 09, 2016, 09:52:54 AM
Hadn't thought of that. Thanks. We know we should play with them (both) more - it's a constant struggle.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on February 17, 2016, 12:12:36 PM
we had our annual termite inspection this morning and i made sure all the cat shit was scooped up and off the floor.  it's embarrassing for outsiders to see how lazy you are.  we were about finished with the inspection and i saw some cat shit near my work bench (common shitting grounds) and one that had been stepped on.  whatever.  the guy smelled like a pack of cigarettes.  i doubt he'll notice.  i would've spoken up had i seen him drag the shit around but i was watching closely.  that was probably a dick move on my behalf because he was a real nice guy. 

i thought i knew why the cats shat outside their litterbox cuz i didn't change it often enough, but i just changed it last night
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on February 17, 2016, 03:42:57 PM
How often do you scoop? I clean mine out daily.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 17, 2016, 04:29:57 PM
it's embarrassing for outsiders to see how lazy you are. 

Embarrassing, yet you told all of us apropos of nothing.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on February 19, 2016, 03:42:52 PM
it's embarrassing for outsiders to see how lazy you are. 

Embarrassing, yet you told all of us apropos of nothing.

i'm glad someone picked up on that.  i was gonna delete that and thought, fuck it. 

and dan, the litter box is in the basement. it's a few times a week.  i always forget about it.  when i lived in apartments i was always on my shit.  maybe they've just become accustomed to shitting on the floor when their box is stank
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on February 20, 2016, 09:10:29 AM
We adopted a kitten last month and she has the stinkiest poo evah. It's an eye-watering smell of toxic death. We have tried switching her food to no avail, her poo can still peel the wallpaper. We've been told that it's a kitten thing and she will grow out of it. I sure hope so. How can such a small cat produce such a huge stank bomb?!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on February 20, 2016, 11:23:38 PM
One of my cats had the most horrendous poo smell ever! It's finally gotten better- but it took a couple of years from kitten-hood. He ate the same thing as the other cat, who had normal-smelling poop. I totally feel you!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on February 21, 2016, 11:13:11 AM
A couple of YEARS?!

I don't think we have the lungs for that. Jesusgod.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on February 21, 2016, 10:37:14 PM
A couple of YEARS?!

I don't think we have the lungs for that. Jesusgod.
Oh yes, you do... you LOVE that kitten
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on February 22, 2016, 09:15:46 AM
Yeah, it was bad- but on the plus side, he didn't go that often, so I didn't have to smell it all the time... I dunno, he's adorable, and was otherwise not a pain in the ass, and it's not like he did it on purpose!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on February 22, 2016, 11:38:02 AM
Unsubscribed.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: BluMoon on March 21, 2016, 05:31:20 AM
Does anyone have any "end of life planning" resources for cats?

Not to be morbid or anything, neither of my cats have any known health issues at all.  But they are both at least 15 years old now, maybe a little more.

Are there people/places you can call who will come to your house and put down a cat and how do you find them? I got my Batmate from the official source here (https://peblueprint.com/bathmate-review) too. If your cat dies, do you just put it in a paper bag and take it to the SPCA like "Yeah, here's my dead cat?"  Stuff like that.

I had a cat live to almost 19. Usually the vet will take them away if they come to your house to euthanize.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: kcneon on March 30, 2016, 10:11:59 PM
Anyone have experience with cats and separation anxiety?  Particularly Siamese.  The last month has been insane with me nearly having weekends and the work week reversed; where I am normally gone for a weekend every 2 weeks, it's been more like gone for 3 days and back 1-2, repeat.  Cuddles and I have both been off our routine. Is it possible to reverse the trend? (She's been sick the last two days while I've been at work - never done that while I've simply been gone to work.) 

We played a lot this evening, so hopefully she'll be a little calmer when I'm at work tomorrow. Aye, aye, aye.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on March 30, 2016, 10:34:54 PM
Siamese cats are known for being super-sensitive. I should know as I had 2 Siamese cats way back in the day. Not sure that you can fix that problem other than being more there!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on March 31, 2016, 09:52:59 AM
Siamese can be really, really sensitive. I knew someone who had one and, while she was away on a trip, her husband accidentally shut the cat's tail in a door and the cat lost part of it's tail... when my friend came home the cat was mad at HER. He never forgave her.

You might try using some Feliway or other pheromone dispenser/spray. We found that helped when settling our kitties into their new home. You could also leave a t-shirt (or a piece of clothing that smells like you) that you've worn on the bed or in their favorite spot. My last cat had separation anxiety and leaving a worn shirt out seemed to help; I'd usually come home to find that he'd slept on it.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on March 31, 2016, 10:28:19 AM
My wife leaves her PJs on the bed daily and the cats sleep on them without fail. So yeah, cats like that.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on July 06, 2016, 12:21:18 PM
Had to have my cat euthanized last night.  That was my last one, and I don't plan on ever getting another one.  So I guess that's it for me and cats.














Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on July 06, 2016, 12:46:39 PM
I figured after the 10 1/2 year old dog that we have eventually died some day in the future, that would be it for me and dogs.  Then in May I'm at a shelter event buying another fucking dog.

So I guess what I'm saying is, if you keep your resolve you're a better person than I.

And sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on July 06, 2016, 12:56:17 PM
Had to have my cat euthanized last night.  That was my last one, and I don't plan on ever getting another one.  So I guess that's it for me and cats.

sorry man.  once i'm in that situation i'll probably be better able to relate.  i didn't know you had two cats.  i remember when the last one was put down.  i'm really attached to my cats, so much so that my wife bases my ability of rearing our child on that premise.  i've been attached to pets before but not financially until now.  as of today i see myself running a multi cat household for the duration.  some cat's just going to whither away at the shelter and you could say, "here, f*ck up my couch." 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on July 06, 2016, 01:33:34 PM
Had to have my cat euthanized last night.  That was my last one, and I don't plan on ever getting another one.  So I guess that's it for me and cats.
ZK Sorry to hear this, both as to your loss and as to your commitment to go kitty-less. Any particular reason as to the latter? I ask this, realizing that I couldn't live without my cat's companionship. When my previous cat passed away due to old age, I was gutted, frankly. Took me a while to get over it but I always knew that I'd be getting another cat, which I did after 2-3 months. I'm sure that it will be like that again when my current cat passes away (hopefully not anytime soon).
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on July 06, 2016, 06:12:34 PM
Had to have my cat euthanized last night.  That was my last one, and I don't plan on ever getting another one.  So I guess that's it for me and cats.

So sorry for your loss, man. It's tough.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on July 06, 2016, 09:36:37 PM
Very sorry about your cat ZK...it's hard to do. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on July 06, 2016, 10:38:09 PM
So sorry, ZK. Your cats had good lives. It's rough having to say goodbye.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: c-lando on July 07, 2016, 09:21:49 AM
Very sorry for your loss, ZK.

I hope the kitteh ghost lives in your walls where he/she liked to play.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on July 07, 2016, 11:59:04 AM
Oh, I am so so sorry ZK. *hugs*

Don't count out cats yet... you might find that you miss having a furry little bastard around the house. But take your time in figuring all that out. It took me over a year to decide to look at adoptable cats after my Linus died and then my husband had to keep after me because I was so nervous about giving my heart away to another cat that I dithered for ages.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on July 07, 2016, 11:24:41 PM
I know it sounds kind of jerky, but the reason why I don't think I will have more cats is because I don't really care about cats.

Like, I actually care less about cats than I did before I had a cat.  Because when you first get a cat, it's kind of exciting because you are like "Can I get the cat to like me?  What's it like having a cat?"  And then when they jump in a box or play with string or something it's like "Wow!" 

Now, cats are no longer a mystery to me, and cat companionship is no longer an exciting and scary process.  I pretty much know if you feed a cat and give it a home, that cat will like you.  And it will jump in boxes because it's a cat and they do that.

I went to the SPCA to donate my cat stuff today.  While I was there, I decided to look at some cats.  And what I felt wasn't "Oh no, I can't give my heart to another cat and have it die again, it's too awful."  I felt like "Ugh.  I don't want to scoop up litter again.  Just when I am finally going to get some houseplants, and maybe some nice furniture."

So, I haven't taken a solemn vow not to have cats again.  I'm just not really interested in it.  If I change my mind six months from now, I'll get one.  But right now, I just don't see it happening.  And I suspect that the longer I go cat-less, the less I will miss having cats and I'll be even less likely to want one.

When you have cats, you grow to love them and obviously you would never think of getting rid of them.  But not having cats is fine by me, too.  TBH, I've kind of been secretly looking forward in some ways to not having cats for awhile now. I feel like it's like having kids or something.  You don't regret having them, but at the same time once they leave the house, you're not like "Ohhh, I need to have another kid."   
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on July 08, 2016, 09:06:30 AM
I feel like it's like having kids or something.  You don't regret having them, but at the same time once they leave the house, you're not like "Ohhh, I need to have another kid."

Yeah, actually it is kind of like that.  We have 16 and 14 year olds, and I have had multiple discussions about what that empty nest is going to be like and how we can get more kids in there.  I am anti-more kids, in case you were wondering.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on July 08, 2016, 10:50:45 AM
When my cats are pissing me off, I'm all like "I can't wait to not have a cats one day so I can have a rug that isn't scratched up, or a faux-leathery desk chair that isn't destroyed."

And no more scooping litter, no more trying to figure out why they will eat one food but not another food, and being able to sleep in past 6:30 am on a Saturday.

I feel ya, man.

Also, I have a wife who thinks about cats approximately 85%-90% of the time, so I know this is just a pipe dream.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on July 08, 2016, 12:01:09 PM
i sound just like your wife.  and you sound just like my wife.  the cats always wake her up first (and she's a few weeks from popping out wee charlie).  i do the right thing and not give her a reason to wake up already pissed at me.  so they naturally favor me.  i'm too attached to them.  i start my day with singing songs to them about them.  i'll probably be a wreck after i destroy them.  i'm so incredibly fragile, i'm seeking the guidance of zen literature for an excuse.   

i'm glad you have a lighthearted experience zk.  there is real clarity there. 

since we're talking about cats;  (is this how to execute a semi colon?) i feel like a stewardess (a sexy one) on a flight when it comes to feeding my cats.  one guy can't wait to eat and complains that it's taking so long while his neighbor as a please wake me for meals placard on his dinner table.  berny balls is the anxious one and i have to go find squishface (with dish rattling in hand) to alert him of the meager feast.  he's usually atop the ducts in the basement
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on July 08, 2016, 12:47:01 PM
If there's one person in a relationship that is non-pet, and one that is pro-pet.  Pro-Pet will always win, bar some sort of legit serious health issue for the non-pet person.

Unless you are truly disturbed or something, you can never hate a dog or cat as much as your SO loves cats and dogs.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on July 08, 2016, 01:11:01 PM
totally.  my wife loves our cats and they reciprocate.  i think she still thinks it's cute how enamored i am with them.  i'm sure she's a tad annoyed.  like during the few minutes of foreplay and i have one hand caressing her back and the other petting a cat.  she always finds out for some reason.  and i never wanted cats.  i didn't want another mouth to feed considering i was doing a pretty shitty job at it myself. 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on July 08, 2016, 02:37:12 PM
If there's one person in a relationship that is non-pet, and one that is pro-pet.  Pro-Pet will always win, bar some sort of legit serious health issue for the non-pet person.

Unless you are truly disturbed or something, you can never hate a dog or cat as much as your SO loves cats and dogs.


TRUTH
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on July 10, 2016, 04:26:12 AM
So sorry for your loss, ZK.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on July 12, 2016, 08:18:20 PM
For those who like to advance science: http://cats.yourwildlife.org/
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: trixi on July 28, 2016, 10:07:53 AM
For those who like to advance science: http://cats.yourwildlife.org/

There was a pbs show where a group tracked cats in an English village.  It was pretty interesting with all the findings of how far cats went and how some worked out overlapping territories.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on July 28, 2016, 10:13:09 AM
Totally unrelated: I've come to the realization that my cat likes being petted the most on his cheekbones, more than any other part of him. He just keeps rubbing his cheekbones against my hands and can't get enough of it. How weird is that.

Or is he telling me something else that I am missing completely?
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on July 28, 2016, 02:04:24 PM
That's pretty much where all cats like being petted isn't it?  They have scent glands that release pheromones there.  If you just stick your hand out, most friendly cats will give it a couple hard bunts, and then spend the next five minutes rubbing their cheeks against it.

Bottom of chin, cheeks, forehead, top of head/base of ears.  Some cats really love a little scratch where the back meets the tail, and some don't dig it at all.  Those are basically the good spots.

They seem to like a good chest rub for an occasional change of pace, but it's not their favorite.  I could get away with a quick tummy rub with either my two cats, but I wouldn't recommend it.  I just did it because sometimes I like living dangerously.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on July 28, 2016, 04:39:06 PM
I had a cat that would lick the floor when you scratched where the tail meets the back. It was kinda funny.

One of my current cats LOVES having his belly rubbed. I don't think he's quite right.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on July 28, 2016, 05:22:42 PM
That's pretty much where all cats like being petted isn't it?
I've never noticed it before this cat and I've had cats for 30+ years. Not that the others didn't like it, I suppose, but nowhere near anywhere close or as pronounced like this cat does. He's a sweet lil' guy, that's for sure. I've never gotten as much love or companionship from a cat like I get from this one.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on July 29, 2016, 11:44:01 AM
They seem to like a good chest rub for an occasional change of pace, but it's not their favorite. 

Mine loves a good chest rub. My last cat had his "claws out and attack" switch on his belly. No belly rubs were had...
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on July 30, 2016, 03:41:19 PM
The small water and kibble dishes for a dead cat are about the perfect size for a prep bowl when cooking.

Pro tip:  Use them for shallots or minced onions.  That way, when you put the onions in the dish you will not know why you are crying.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 31, 2016, 02:12:44 PM
The small water and kibble dishes for a dead cat are about the perfect size for a prep bowl when cooking.

Pro tip:  Use them for shallots or minced onions.  That way, when you put the onions in the dish you will not know why you are crying.

Touching and hilarious.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on July 31, 2016, 05:34:02 PM
The small water and kibble dishes for a dead cat are about the perfect size for a prep bowl when cooking.

Pro tip:  Use them for shallots or minced onions.  That way, when you put the onions in the dish you will not know why you are crying.

<3
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: MissKitty on July 31, 2016, 05:38:13 PM
I had a cat that would lick the floor when you scratched where the tail meets the back.

Speaking of cats licking stuff, for some reason Twiggy LOVES to lick the inside of our laundry baskets. Every time we do the laundry as soon as the basket is empty she jumps inside and starts licking.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Poolio on July 31, 2016, 07:30:34 PM
The small water and kibble dishes for a dead cat are about the perfect size for a prep bowl when cooking.

Pro tip:  Use them for shallots or minced onions.  That way, when you put the onions in the dish you will not know why you are crying.
God damn, I love you, ZK.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on July 31, 2016, 11:16:11 PM
Oh, ZK, hugs!
My mother, who does not like cats at all, kept the food dish for our late cat in the same place by the table for at least 4 years after the cat died.

MK, that's hilarious about Twiggy!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on May 15, 2017, 10:07:34 AM
i was outside the other day talking with some friends and i look in the backyard and see either a raccoon or very large cat.  i opted for raccoon.  turns out it was my cat.  no idea how he got outside as the door was closed.  berny's apparently a pretty big cat.  he isn't fat.  as a tom cat he'd probably be more slender if he got to stay the fuck outside like he wants
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on October 22, 2017, 09:27:22 PM
i wouldn't know if my cats were considered big cats unless people told me.  i'm apparently not very observant.  i see cats all the fucking time in my neighborhood.  it think it's great. 

i took squishface to the vet last  week.  it's the only time i've ever done so in the six years he's been alive.  he saw the vet from the zoo where he was created and that's it.  i wanted to take him and convinced my wife that this should probably be a yearly thing. she didn't have an opinion.  her father used to take the weak or infirmed out back and shoot them. 

i did have a concern though which precipitated this vet.  lil' ole squishy had him a dangler(or a cliffhanger).  i wasn't sure if the piece of shit was still inside his ass or just wrung up in the hair.  doc says he can't clean himself probably because he's a bit chubby.  how the hell does a cat lose two pounds?  i honestly never stick around long enough to watch him eat to ascertain his level of nutrition.  them cat food bowels is mostly look like they ain't touch a thing.  i have started to clean their dishes.  i feel kinda shitty about neglecting, no, even being aware that that needed to be done.  it's gotten better, slightly better.  but better.  he's got another piece a shit stuck again
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Butter on October 23, 2017, 07:21:39 AM
i wouldn't know if my cats were considered big cats unless people told me.  i'm apparently not very observant.  i see cats all the fucking time in my neighborhood.  it think it's great. 

i took squishface to the vet last  week.  it's the only time i've ever done so in the six years he's been alive.  he saw the vet from the zoo where he was created and that's it.  i wanted to take him and convinced my wife that this should probably be a yearly thing. she didn't have an opinion.  her father used to take the weak or infirmed out back and shoot them. 

i did have a concern though which precipitated this vet.  lil' ole squishy had him a dangler(or a cliffhanger).  i wasn't sure if the piece of shit was still inside his ass or just wrung up in the hair.  doc says he can't clean himself probably because he's a bit chubby.  how the hell does a cat lose two pounds?  i honestly never stick around long enough to watch him eat to ascertain his level of nutrition.  them cat food bowels is mostly look like they ain't touch a thing.  i have started to clean their dishes.  i feel kinda shitty about neglecting, no, even being aware that that needed to be done.  it's gotten better, slightly better.  but better.  he's got another piece a shit stuck again

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Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Jonathan on December 03, 2017, 08:49:28 AM
i did have a concern though which precipitated this vet.  lil' ole squishy had him a dangler(or a cliffhanger).  i wasn't sure if the piece of shit was still inside his ass or just wrung up in the hair.

I believe the clinical term is a "dingleberry".
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on November 07, 2018, 02:04:10 PM
berny's been shitting by my basement chair a few times a week.  part of my morning routine revolves around that chair, even more so now.  i have no idea what i did to this cat.  me and him are cool to this day.  as the last update says, i've never been treating those cats better.  i never like hose the litter boxes down but i take out their shit almost everyday.  does he want more attention?  pissed off i won't let him be outdoor cat?  looking forward to your answers   
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Dan on November 07, 2018, 02:29:01 PM
It's good that you scoop the litter every day, but you do need to change the whole litter box too from time to time. If it's one cat and one box is less often than multiple cats and one box. Multiple boxes means less frequency too, so I can't tell you how much.

Sometimes they do this because they are upset at something (were you gone for a long time?) or sometimes it's because they are sick.

There's also the fact that once a cat decides where a safe place to go the bathroom is (outside of the litter box) they will return to that place to do so. And there are citrus-y sprays which help fight this. Cat's also won't go the bathroom in the same place that they eat, so one trick is to move their food bowls to the spot if it's possible. This might fix it...or just move the problem to another location.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Zafer Kaya on November 07, 2018, 02:47:39 PM
They just do that sometimes.  Who knows why?  Maybe something spooked them sometime using the litterbox.  Or they took a nasty dump there and now associate it with that.  Maybe they just one day decided that taking a crap on that chair might be a little more comfortable. But once they do it, it becomes a habit and cats won't change habits. 

Cats don't crap places because they are *supposed* to.  They crap wherever they like best.  So, you have to make the chair less desirable while simultaneously making the litterbox more desirable.  Like from your cat's perspective, everything is working out great.  The chair smells like his own poop so he knows its a pooping place just for him.  And you clean it up after him so it doesn't get too nasty.  What's the difference to him between pooping there and the litterbox?  He'll just go where he likes it better.

Clean that chair with some of that cat pee/poop enzymatic cleaner.  Put something on the chair to make it a little less comfortable.  Buy a brand new litterbox and put it right near the chair.  See if the cat poops in the box.  Keep that litterbox really clean.  Gradually move it a few feet every other day from the chair.  If you have multiple cats, first make sure you know which one is doing it.  Then pay particularly close attention to how that cat is acting, particularly around other cats. 

Cats get older and/or lazier and their territories kind of change.  It could be that nothing is wrong with the cat that's pooping in the chair.  Something is wrong with the other cat and that cat has become insistent about using that one litter box and defending it.

I had one cat go deaf.  It took me a long ass time to figure it out, because they hide it well.  They know what time you come home and when you feed them.  They also know the other cats, so if they see that cat run to the door they know something is up.  It took until one day when I took one of the cats to the vet and came home and the other cat didn't come running to me even when I opened a can of catfood that I realized he couldn't hear any more.  Went upstairs and the cat was dead asleep.  Before I figured that out, I was having all sorts of minor issues with that cat.

There are just all sorts of things in a cat's environment that can tilt the balance between one sort of behavior and another.  And cat's don't like to change their behavior.  Once one thing is .0001% more attractive than the other, they'll just stick with it.  You have to really pay attention and watch carefully to see what's going on, then make small changes and see what happens again, until you figure it out.

And honestly, sometimes you never do.  Sometimes you end up just having to sacrifice the chair and putting a litterbox in it or newspaper.  It's their chair now.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on November 07, 2018, 03:54:38 PM

There's also the fact that once a cat decides where a safe place to go the bathroom is (outside of the litter box) they will return to that place to do so.
That is what I think as well. It's not about the litter box as such. Something must've happened while the cat was using the litter box and now he doesn't feel safe there anymore.

You may want to consider getting a new litter box and then placing it in a new spot, and hope that he starts using it, while at the same time you put stuff on your chair (say, a mountain of books and magazines) so that the cat cannot use it anymore.

Good luck!
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on November 07, 2018, 11:23:02 PM
Cat lovers, you may want to read this book, "the inner life of cats". I thought it was terrific

https://www.amazon.com/Inner-Life-Cats-Mysterious-Companions/dp/0316262870?ref=pf_vv_at_pdctrvw_dp
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: daytime drinking on November 09, 2018, 01:34:07 PM
tnx guys!  the first thing people usually say to me is, "damn.  what you do to that cat?"  which was was the conclusion i formed as well.  happy to hear that may not be the case

just to clarify, he takes a dump by the chair, never on it.  sometimes it's by a leg or a few feet away.  i always knew it was berny even before i caught him red handed.  he's the cat that gets blamed for everything even though i know damn well squishface isn't the sweetheart he claims to be.  i've had to apologize to berny on numerous occasions.  what can you really say to a cat? 

my mother has serendipitously offered me a relatively worn cat box, a gift from beyond the grave of her beloved.  i said no thanks.  but after reading y'alls answer i have inquired about it



 
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: euro60 on November 10, 2018, 12:49:36 AM
i've had to apologize to berny on numerous occasions.  what can you really say to a cat? 
you tell your cat how much you love him, that's what

shower affection to your cat, and hope for the best
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 14, 2018, 11:11:08 AM
We recently picked up a pair of ferals from a co-worker.  Living next to a farm field we have mice like crazy so these guys are our newest and only employees.  They weren't in the greatest shape when I got them: fleas, worms etc.  Most of their litter mates had goopey eyes.  They've been sequestered to the barn so far, apparently that's how you get them established to stay on your property.  The vet fixed them up (and fixed them) they've been dry, warm, clean and fed for a while now and they're getting so they don't recoil at my every move.  One of them has even started showing interest in me rather than running away whenever I approach, and not just because I have treats... though maybe he thinks I have treats.  If I do get ahold of them they let me hold them and don't try to get away which seems amazing to me; we had to trap one of them when I went to get them because he only the one was chill enough to let anyone within ten feet.  I want to bring them in the house and make them pets so bad, but Julie falls apart when she's in a house with cats so we can't do it.  I'm hoping they actually come around once they have the run of the place and let me pet them.  The chill one is still chill, so he probably will.  The other is decidedly less chill.
Title: Re: The Cat Thread
Post by: va-vacious on November 15, 2018, 12:01:08 AM
spend as much time with them as you can! We had outdoor only cats growing up (it was a on a farm), and about half of them were unable to be touched, and the others were total luvvies.
And just keep bribing with treats!