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Title: 2016 Elections
Post by: Markalot on September 23, 2015, 07:40:12 AM
Maybe it's time to start.  I'm in a fog, and it's really too bad I didn't have time to participate more the last few months.

Trump, really, the perfect candidate to expose what the current republican party is really all about.

Some hedge fund manager hiking a pill price to $750 during presidential season and Hillary deftly jumping on it almost immediately.

Scott Walker, and I'm sorry but just look at the guy, dropping out early?  I'm getting old but I look at Walker and Rubio and no, just no.

Bernie, feel the Bern!  If the majority of voters are living paycheck to paycheck with no real job choice why wouldn't they vote for a socialist?  I'm not sure that's true, but I think we're certainly headed in that direction unless economic imbalances are fixed.

Fiorina, maybe a VP pick on the eventual losing (my opinion) ticket?

Bush, would be my pick if I voted republican which I probably won't.  Goofy, has some bad ideas, but has one of my favorite lines prior to getting in ... one has to lose the primary to get elected.  If he wasn't a Bush I'd feel a lot better about him.

Clinton, probably my choice as I vote with my nose plugged.  Horrible candidate, fake candidate, but would make a decent enough president until we get a better set of choices. 

My hope is the republican party crashes so bad that we get a reboot and someone I can vote for in the next election.  I'm pretty naive.

Title: Re: 2016 Elections
Post by: foolsgold on September 23, 2015, 09:12:46 AM
I once saw a GIF of a chimp pissing in its own mouth.  That's a good enough metaphor for the elections as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: 2016 Elections
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 23, 2015, 09:44:26 AM
I'm just hoping that Trump eventually doesn't get the nomination and that he enters as an independent so that he splits the vote allowing the democrat to win. 

Unfortunately, I don't think the democrats have any other chance.  Hillary is just too toxic, her handling of the Benghazi stuff and the e-mail scandal that followed was just awful.  All politicians are dishonest, and do things they shouldn't do, but you've got to be able to handle the aftermath better if you don't want to be in the center of a three ring circus. 

Bernie doesn't have the support to beat Hillary in the primaries.  And this country is not ready for socialism by a long shot.  People are still bitching about Obamacare, despite all the good it's doing, and it's not even truly socialized.
Title: Re: 2016 Elections
Post by: Dan on September 23, 2015, 11:04:46 AM
I am currently very underwhelmed by all candidates. In '08 I voted Obama but was sad b/c I thought Hillary was a good candidate too. Now I find her less enthralling, although would still say she's the best of what's shown up so far.

Carly Fiorina has a good answer or two in that last debate, but I don't think I am going to form an opinion based on that yet.
Title: Re: 2016 Elections
Post by: Zafer Kaya on September 23, 2015, 01:49:46 PM
Yeah, you pretty much nailed it.

Hard to get excited about Clinton, but she knows her stuff and won't do anything too whacky.  She will probably govern tentpole left.

Bush is the same thing on the right, perhaps the tiniest smidgen more likeable.  Although he surprisingly made a complete hash of the whole "anchor baby" thing.  He botched that thing so, so badly that it does cause me to wonder about his qualifications a little bit.  I'm actually on his side somewhat as the attacks were just overblown and stupid.  But that's what happens when you are Prez.  When it gets to the point that both liberals and Donald freaking Trump are calling you a racist, you screwed up bad.

Trump is just an embarrassment.  I just hope it opens the eyes of some of those who think racism in this country is no longer a problem.

Fiorina has done her homework, and seems to be taking the job pretty seriously.  IMO, she both debated the best (which I don't care much about) and demonstrated the best knowledge (which I do care about).  But she was such a horrible CEO, I just don't really trust her yet.  I do think she is an excellent candidate for a cabinet position, and then see how she does.

I still like Christie.  Although he's kind of like McCain.  A good conservative voice to have around, but maybe not such a good President.

If you are Republican, I think there are some good GOP candidates out there.  Which just makes the fact that Trump is doing so well even more annoying, and pretty much has made me lose faith in conservative voters and this country.

If you are Democrat... well, you can probably find a way to make peace with Clinton.
Title: Re: 2016 Elections
Post by: Butter on September 23, 2015, 01:59:32 PM
If you are Democrat... well, you can probably find a way to make peace with Clinton.

Back in '08 when it was her, Obama, and Edwards, I voted for Edwards.  Before all of his problems, of course.  I was never really sold on Obama, and just don't like Hillary personally.

I can definitely find a way to make peace with Hillary if only for the apoplexy it will cause the right wing.  Plus, I think that she would likely try to govern in the style of her husband which was relatively successful and middle-of-the-road.
Title: Re: 2016 Elections
Post by: Markalot on September 23, 2015, 03:26:53 PM
I forgot about Kasich, who seems fairly sane at times.  He has no chance so I guess I'm done thinking about him.

I liked Christie, but now I just see him as a bully and just silly.

I think there are plenty of good conservatives out there who just don't give a damn at the moment because republicans don;t represent them and they're tired of being called RINOs.  if the majority of republicans are RINOs the party might have a problem.  :laugh:

Unfortunately I'm dead wrong.  Republicans view of the republican party is rising.

http://www.people-press.org/2015/01/14/obama-job-rating-ticks-higher-views-of-nations-economy-turn-more-positive/1-14-2015-parties_6/

Does this mean people are dropping out of identifying with each party, leaving only the crazies?
Title: Re: 2016 Elections
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 23, 2015, 04:16:25 PM
I can totally make peace with Clinton.  I think the attacks against her are overblown and hypocritical, to say the least.  That said, I just can't imagine her winning unless by some miracle Trump does get the republican nod.  He may have support now, but surely that'll die off if his candidacy shows any sign of actually paying off with the big job.  He's a cartoon.
Title: Re: 2016 Elections
Post by: Cockney Rebel on September 24, 2015, 10:24:39 AM
He's a cartoon.
He's the Scrappy-Doo of cartoons
Title: Re: 2016 Elections
Post by: euro60 on September 21, 2017, 11:03:33 PM
I can totally make peace with Clinton.  I think the attacks against her are overblown and hypocritical, to say the least.  That said, I just can't imagine her winning unless by some miracle Trump does get the republican nod.  He may have support now, but surely that'll die off if his candidacy shows any sign of actually paying off with the big job.  He's a cartoon.
Funny how all that turned out, now 2+ years later.

And yes, he's a cartoon (my preferred term is actually clown), but he IS in the White House, help us all

For the record, as a "traditional Republican", I ended up voting for Hillary, because Trump is of course not a Republican, and Hillary's policies were closer to mine than were (and are) Trump's
Title: Re: 2016 Elections
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 22, 2017, 04:45:20 PM
Yeah, amazing how far off that post ended up being.  Well, except for the Hillary not winning part.

Even after all this, the people that hated Hillary still manage to think she'd have been worse.  I just can't process that.
Title: Re: 2016 Elections
Post by: Zafer Kaya on September 23, 2017, 10:44:29 PM
Supreme Court is pretty huge.  They locked up a slot for 30 years.  And they could get two more.  A six justice, 30 year swing is much bigger than four years of Trump.  As long as we don't get nuked.

They need to fix that shit.  The point of lifetime appointments was to insulate the judicial branch from politics.  Instead it is making things way more political.  I think "Originalism" carried to the e terms is a stupid way of looking at things, but Gorsuch was qualified.  I don't have a problem with him, but they are looking to stack the deck.  Gorsuch being a good justice was incidental.

We crossed a pretty bad line when the GOP refused to appoint Garland. 

Also, really stupid people are setting the tone, which is deprsseing.  But then, let's not try and pretend a whole bunch of people didn't vote for Obama just because he was black, or because of the "Hope and Change" rhetoric either.