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Tech Talk => Technical Difficulty => Topic started by: MattD on June 02, 2016, 08:27:10 PM

Title: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: MattD on June 02, 2016, 08:27:10 PM
Hey folks, site owner here.  How long as the main site homepage had all of these error messages at the top? 
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on June 02, 2016, 09:00:34 PM
May 17 is when we first noticed it. Some people have the issues and others didn't, and then it seemed to fix itself.
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Drjohnrock on June 02, 2016, 09:11:36 PM
I'm still having issues on my iPhone.  On my laptap, I type www.randomville.com/Daily/ and that gets me to the messageboard.  Otherwise, I'd have problems with my laptop as well.
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: va-vacious on June 02, 2016, 10:57:33 PM
I go straight to the message boards and hadn't seen it.
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: euro60 on June 02, 2016, 11:04:19 PM
I go straight to the message boards and hadn't seen it.
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Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Poolio on June 03, 2016, 06:38:17 AM
I'm still seeing the errors. I found an older link that takes me straight to the forums.
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Poolio on September 14, 2016, 08:35:05 AM
FTR, I got the error message-filled homepage this morning.
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: c-lando on September 14, 2016, 08:38:35 AM
I got it last night, around 10PMish.
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: adyonka on September 16, 2016, 03:24:30 PM
At this time, I recommend going directly to the message boards and skipping the front page entirely. http://www.randomville.com/Daily/
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 16, 2016, 10:40:14 PM
So what's our backup plan, ya know, in case this thing disappears on us some day?
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: euro60 on September 17, 2016, 12:16:01 AM
So what's our backup plan, ya know, in case this thing disappears on us some day?
great question... anyone?? I am not on facebook
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Dan on September 18, 2016, 03:11:49 PM
I hate to be Debbie Downer, but I assume there isn't one.

If we're throwing out ideas, I would gladly help fund a site but I don't know the first thing about running one.

I mean, we're all a little older now and make a little more money, so throwing cash at a website is much more feasible now than it used to be. But how much does it cost to run a site?
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: adyonka on September 18, 2016, 07:08:38 PM
I hate to be Debbie Downer, but I assume there isn't one.

If we're throwing out ideas, I would gladly help fund a site but I don't know the first thing about running one.

I mean, we're all a little older now and make a little more money, so throwing cash at a website is much more feasible now than it used to be. But how much does it cost to run a site?

To the best of my knowledge, there is no backup plan. I think I'm the only person doing regular admin tasks on the message boards, and I don't have full access to the entire site. As for cost, well, it depends. If we want basic message boards and allow ads, there are services out there that are (nearly?) free. If we want to host our own space with a domain, it costs a little for a domain name but nothing too awful. Would we want to continue having a commercial enterprise as we technically are today? What about the current content (boards and blog), if we're able to acquire it? Who is going to build/migrate/admin the new site?
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Drjohnrock on September 19, 2016, 12:01:00 PM
I hate to be Debbie Downer, but I assume there isn't one.

If we're throwing out ideas, I would gladly help fund a site but I don't know the first thing about running one.

I mean, we're all a little older now and make a little more money, so throwing cash at a website is much more feasible now than it used to be. But how much does it cost to run a site?

To the best of my knowledge, there is no backup plan. I think I'm the only person doing regular admin tasks on the message boards, and I don't have full access to the entire site. As for cost, well, it depends. If we want basic message boards and allow ads, there are services out there that are (nearly?) free. If we want to host our own space with a domain, it costs a little for a domain name but nothing too awful. Would we want to continue having a commercial enterprise as we technically are today? What about the current content (boards and blog), if we're able to acquire it? Who is going to build/migrate/admin the new site?



Since there is no backup plan, it behooves us to discuss adyonka's points and come up with something.  I am not nearly computer savvy enough to administer a new site.  But I'm willing to pitch in $ for whatever's decided upon.  Active users, what route should we take?
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Dan on September 19, 2016, 01:12:44 PM
Seems to me like the answers (for me) are:
Basic Message Board is fine.
If you want to try to acquire the current content, that wouldn't be bad. I mean, saving old board data would be good, right?
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Drjohnrock on September 20, 2016, 08:24:23 AM
Seems to me like the answers (for me) are:
Basic Message Board is fine.
If you want to try to acquire the current content, that wouldn't be bad. I mean, saving old board data would be good, right?


+1.  Anyone else have any thoughts?
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Butter on September 20, 2016, 10:14:00 AM
If we could migrate the boards to a new site, that would be ideal.

If not, starting fresh on a new site would be next best.

Third best would be: everything good must come to an end.  I don't know how many posts we've had in the last month, but it's probably less than 200?  At that point, is it even worth it?  From a purely cost-benefit standpoint, probably not.  From a community standpoint... well, sad as it is there really isn't much of one here anymore is there?  I mean, half the people that are on here aren't even local to Cincinnati anymore.  We have Atlanta (twice), New York, Richmond, and other places represented.  The people that want to stay in touch in-person do.  If it makes me sign up for god damn Facebook, then I guess I will.

I would hate to lose the random daytime drinking and ZK posts though, that alone is worth it.

I would migrate it if I knew anything about what that entailed.  Sadly, I know very little about that crap.  I also don't know the site's owners at all, and if they'd be willing to sell it back to one of us or a group.

Maybe I'm mis-remembering but last time the owner or a rep showed up, he basically said "don't come to me with your fucking whining about anything, and we'll get along just fine."  So who knows if they're even open to anything.
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Dan on September 20, 2016, 11:25:01 AM
We don't generate new users, which is sad, but we all accepted that about 10 years ago. Even if the posts are less than 200 per month, I'd still like to say hi to you cool cats from time to time.
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: euro60 on September 20, 2016, 11:33:46 AM
I haven't experienced any problems.

I'd like to see things remain as they are (but of course would love to see new users too).

Not a big proponent of moving to another site (moving from the WOXY boards was pretty traumatic as it was).
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 20, 2016, 12:03:58 PM
Maybe I'm mis-remembering but last time the owner or a rep showed up, he basically said "don't come to me with your fucking whining about anything, and we'll get along just fine."  So who knows if they're even open to anything.

Actually, it was more along the lines of, "this site doesn't make any money, so I can't put any into it.  If you want to pay me to take care of it, I will, if you don't you're on your own."  Which is the state we're in now... on our own.

As to the message board content, I don't think we'd have to buy it, I would assume an admin could pull it out of the database.  I don't know that he'd sell the site, but if it isn't generating income, maybe he would.  Should we ask?

Like others have said, I'm okay with ponying up some cash to keep it running.  A Facebook group isn't a horrible alternative, it works well for the folks that participate in the WOXY group.  OTOH, I hate to lose the content, hell, I proposed to Juliana here (I have screen shots of that, just in case).  Are there other ways of preserving the content?  Like a blog or something?  I guess someone would have to curate that, which would be a pain.  I'd be sad if I couldn't go back and read about The Champ, if I wanted.
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Butter on September 20, 2016, 12:04:30 PM
Yeah I guess I'm assuming at this point that the guy who runs this has basically given this up for dead and will be shutting it down essentially without warning at some point.  Who knows, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.  But if you let the main site go this long being so buggy, you probably aren't giving it much attention to being with.
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 20, 2016, 12:14:31 PM
Yeah I guess I'm assuming at this point that the guy who runs this has basically given this up for dead and will be shutting it down essentially without warning at some point.

Oh, don't get me wrong, this is also very much my assumption.  I pretty much assume it's over every time we have one of those outages that have happened now and again.
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Cockney Rebel on September 20, 2016, 01:23:30 PM
I'd also like the content to be kept. The nostalgia of everything on here is too big to just let go.

Like others I'm willing to donate $$$ to keep it up and running if there is a way
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: adyonka on September 20, 2016, 01:56:28 PM
Ella Minnow Pea is our designated contact with the current owners. I would propose that, if the group wants to go down this road, that Ella approach the owners to find out what options they believe are on the table.

If we do have a new site, that means someone is/are the new owner(s) as well. That needs to be discussed.

As far as an admin, I'm willing to develop and admin a new non-commercial message board. I've never migrated a site before, but I'm willing to give the effort. I'm pretty much doing the board maintenance now anyway and I figured it out without too much drama.

Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Butter on September 20, 2016, 01:59:01 PM
Maybe I'm mis-remembering but last time the owner or a rep showed up, he basically said "don't come to me with your fucking whining about anything, and we'll get along just fine."  So who knows if they're even open to anything.

Actually, it was more along the lines of, "this site doesn't make any money, so I can't put any into it.  If you want to pay me to take care of it, I will, if you don't you're on your own."  Which is the state we're in now... on our own.

So you're saying I read it much snarkier than it was intended.  That's truly a shock.  I usually give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

Except hobos.  Fuck them.
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Drjohnrock on September 20, 2016, 04:49:26 PM
Ella Minnow Pea is our designated contact with the current owners. I would propose that, if the group wants to go down this road, that Ella approach the owners to find out what options they believe are on the table.



Sounds like a plan.  It's best to figure out a way forward before the whole thing disappears one day.
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 20, 2016, 09:14:41 PM
Haven't seen Ella around here lately, I don't think.  I'll drop her a note on Facebook.
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on September 21, 2016, 12:34:18 AM
I'm still here - just in lurker mode (like my first few years on the woxy boards). The past few times we've had issues with the boards, I have offered that we would be glad to contribute to pay for hosting, but Matt has said it wasn't necessary. We are hosted on a server with other sites, so adyonka and I don't have administrative access to the server in order to download the content. I agree that I want to keep the content we've generated. My top priority is the message boards and then the articles. There's a download feature in the message board admin tools, but it only seems to be the settings and not the actual messages.

I can send an e-mail to Matt to let him know that we still want to keep going, and would like to get periodic downloads of the message board database.

I definitely want to keep this around so I can stay in touch with all of the non-Facebook users!
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: MissKitty on September 21, 2016, 09:08:39 AM
Thanks Ella!
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: euro60 on September 21, 2016, 10:39:38 AM

Like others I'm willing to donate $$$ to keep it up and running if there is a way
Same here.
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: Dan on September 21, 2016, 11:31:25 AM
Sounds good ella. Let us know what he says, etc.
Title: Re: How long has the homepage been giving errors?
Post by: trixi on September 21, 2016, 06:29:46 PM
Thanks Ella!

I'm happy to chip in as well, and am also happy to help admin boards if someone tells me what to do or if there's something I can read on how to do it :-)