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Title: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on July 07, 2018, 11:49:46 PM
The internationalization of soccer works against MLS because now it's easier than ever to follow PL or even Bundesliga or La Liga.
Exactly the opposite in fact. So many people are watching those top leagues on TV that they want soccer in their cities. I see this time and again from the younger folks (say, my 31 yr. old son and his friends, and the same from my friends and their sons). I watched the England-Sweden game today at a friend's house, and his 27 yr. old son who was there knew more about the European leagues than I do, and he loves FCC (as does my son).

Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: daytime drinking on July 08, 2018, 09:14:16 AM
usually a thread like this is prefaced with the requisite sass, kudos euro for accepting some good natured ribbing
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on July 09, 2018, 11:09:03 PM
Just to keep perspective: average attendance halfway through the season for both these clubs

Cincinnati Reds: 20,000
FC Cincinnati: 25,000

http://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance

https://soccerstadiumdigest.com/2018-usl-attendance/

The Reds have a LOT of work to do.

There's been a lot of talk about how much seating capacity the new FCC stadium should have. Currently it is envisioned at being 21,000, but these plans may move. I say, build it at 25,000.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on July 21, 2018, 12:31:47 AM
So as we speak the Reds are playing a 3 hr. (!) rain-delayed game in front of a pretty bare looking GABP. So glad I don't have clients to entertain at that game.

I am hosting clients and friends of the firm at Saturday's FCC's game in a corporate suite at Nippert. I hope the weather cooperates (fingers crossed). One thing I know: FCC will not delay a game by 3 hrs.

A few days ago FCC announced ticket pricing for next year, when they move up to MLS. Of course, pricing has gone up, but not as much as I expected. And as FCC noted: the lowest average tix prices in MLS. I see good things happening for FCC going forward in the MLS.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on July 30, 2018, 11:42:13 PM
FCC has signed 2 MLS players to join the roster in the build-up of the transition to MLS next year. It's all happening!

http://www.espn.com/soccer/major-league-soccer/story/3579476/fc-cincinnati-signs-fanendo-adi-and-fatai-alashe-ahead-of-mls-move


Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on August 12, 2018, 10:47:58 PM
Was at the FCC game today, a weird 6 PM Sunday evening game, but somehow 24,000+ were there, and FCC won 1-0, woohoo.

Back home I watched the second half of DC United-Orlando MLS game. DC's Wayne Rooney is invisible the entire half, until in the 96th min., when he makes an incredible ball recovery and then sends a great ball into the penalty area, and DC scores on a header!!!!!! Wow. DC wins 3-2
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Dan on August 13, 2018, 07:32:43 PM
https://youtu.be/pWDwYSkQj5g

Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on August 16, 2018, 11:28:00 PM
Our law firm's Cincinnati office holds an annual office summer get-together each year for all lawyers and staff. It's the only event each year where lawyers and staff (and families) mingle socially.

Traditionally over the years it has been held at Kings Island (most of the time) or Coney Island or the Reds or the Zoo. This year it's at FCC, this coming Saturday. Yes, that is how the landscape has changed in Cincinnati. FCC is THE happening thing in this city.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Cockney Rebel on August 17, 2018, 10:23:26 PM
FCC is THE happening thing in this city.
I think it’s the Bird scooters
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on August 17, 2018, 11:35:40 PM
I think it’s the Bird scooters
I have no idea what that means or what you are referring to...
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 17, 2018, 11:57:38 PM
They’re motorized scooters you can rent.

This company comes in and just drops them all over the city.  You have an app that tells you where the nearest scooters are.  You just find one, use the app to check it out, then ride around around until you are done, then just leave it wherever.  Except then the city comes and confiscates all the scooters because people ride them on the sidewalks like assholes and injure people,or they injure themselves riding in the street with no help. Plus the streets get littered with scooters.  And Bird doesn’t bother to apply for any licenses because they are dickheads who think “disruptive technology” means they don’t have to follow the rules. So after the city confiscated all the scooters they come in and drop off my scooters.

Pretty much they’re the best evidence of how entitled tech companies and people under 30 are, and how bad we need a recession to teach some people a lesson.  Which fortunately is coming in very short order, thanks to Trumps insane fiscal policy.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on August 18, 2018, 11:34:54 PM
Our law firm's Cincinnati office holds an annual office summer get-together each year for all lawyers and staff. It's the only event each year where lawyers and staff (and families) mingle socially.

Traditionally over the years it has been held at Kings Island (most of the time) or Coney Island or the Reds or the Zoo. This year it's at FCC, this coming Saturday. Yes, that is how the landscape has changed in Cincinnati. FCC is THE happening thing in this city.
Office summer outing tonight at FCC was great all around. We had a "hospitality" area with food and drinks, and lawyers and staff mingled, and people soaked up the atmosphere. Yet another 27K showed up for the game, which is right on target for FCC's attendance this year. That FCC won 3-0 was just the icing on the cake.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on September 16, 2018, 10:35:38 PM
Glorious Sunday afternoon for an FCC game. Down 2-3 deep in the 2nd half, FCC manages to score in the 78th and 88th min to squeeze out a 4-3 win.

Again more than 27,000 in attendance.

Barring a complete meltdown in the last 5 games of the regular season (highly unlikely as they have an 18 game unbeaten streak), FCC will have home field advantage in the playoffs.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: MissKitty on September 17, 2018, 08:30:15 AM
So as we speak the Reds are playing a 3 hr. (!) rain-delayed game in front of a pretty bare looking GABP. So glad I don't have clients to entertain at that game.

I am hosting clients and friends of the firm at Saturday's FCC's game in a corporate suite at Nippert. I hope the weather cooperates (fingers crossed). One thing I know: FCC will not delay a game by 3 hrs.

I rode a chartered bus with other FCC fans down to Louisville for the final Dirty River Derby on Sept. 8 and it had pretty much rained all day but they started the game anyway. FCC was up by 1 when the heavens REALLY opened and they had to stop play. We all ran for cover and waited for them to call the game - there was simply no way they'd be able to restart the game because Louisville's pitch was so waterlogged that the players would have needed kayaks.

We only had to hang around 30-40 minutes before they called it. I overheard someone say that they had to wait at least 30 minutes from the time play stopped before they could postpone a match but I don't know if that is true or not.

Unfortunately the rematch was held the following Tuesday, which meant the majority of our fans didn't get to attend.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on September 17, 2018, 10:48:21 PM
MK, didn't realize you were an FCC fan... Let's hang out at one of the next home games! (Beware, it might involve pre-game Taste of Belgium shenanigans)
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: MissKitty on September 18, 2018, 10:45:34 AM
MK, didn't realize you were an FCC fan... Let's hang out at one of the next home games! (Beware, it might involve pre-game Taste of Belgium shenanigans)

When I go it's usually with a group who meet at Molly Malone's and ride the MM Green Machine to and from the match.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on September 23, 2018, 10:35:19 PM
With yesterday's improbable comeback win, FCC has home-field advantage in the playoffs as long as they stay alive...
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on September 25, 2018, 11:26:45 PM
ZK, your Richmond Kickers are hosting FCC on Wednesday evening. Any chance they can stop FCC's 19 unbeaten streak?
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on October 02, 2018, 10:55:24 PM
Was at the final regular season home game on Saturday. Incredible atmosphere all around (and I don't just mean Nippert Stadium, but the entire Clifton area--the area was packed and rocking). 31,000+ people in the stands. FCC won 3-0. Does it get any better?

At the pre-game bar hangout I was at, I was next to a couple from England, long time residents of Cincinnati (no, not CR and MK), and we started chatting. "Can you believe what they have built here?' the guy asked me.

FCC has home field advantage throughout the playoffs (starting Oct. 20)

So looking forward to their transition into MLS next year. The front office has done such a great job in the USL, and I expect them to do the same in MSL.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: MissKitty on October 03, 2018, 09:17:12 AM
We were at the match too. Figured since we went to the FCCvIndy11 match at Lucas Oil at the start of the season we may as well top & tail. Fun time!
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on October 03, 2018, 11:25:43 PM
One of the most enjoyable things for me having gone to many FCC games this year is the people I meet, both at the pre-game bar and at the game. So many international (non-US) people that live here that I had no idea about. And soccer-aficianados. I typically wear a club jersey of a Belgian player to the game. The obvious one being Kevin De Bruyne's ManCity or Jan Vertonghen's Tottenham jersey. One of the games I was wearing Dries Mertens' Napoli jersey and some guy came up to me to tell me how a big fan of Napoli he was. Nobody but someone who is "really" into it would've even recognized it. What are the chances? I love those moments.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on October 13, 2018, 11:24:44 PM
Not surprisingly, Ledesma, the best player on the team, and surely USL MVP of this year, has been offered a contract for next year's MLS season

http://www.espn.com/soccer/fc-cincinnati/story/3668337/fc-cincinnati-midfielder-emmanuel-ledesma-set-to-sign-new-contract-sources


As an aside, FCC tied at Nashville 3-3 tonight, bringing their unbroken streak to 23 (a USL record).

Next: the first game of the playoffs on Saturday, 4 pm, at Nippert. Keeping fingers crossed for the weather.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on October 28, 2018, 12:28:46 AM
Disappointing loss today for FCC in the playoffs. But honestly, I am not all that surprised. The team simply hasn't played very well in the last month or so. The 24 game streak of not losing was an albatross. I wished they had lost one of the last regular season game, just to get that "unbeaten" streak done with, but it also looked to me the team simply ran out of steam. Nevertheless, a glorious season for sure.

Next game at Nippert: the MLS home debut! Looking forward to it already!
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on December 20, 2018, 12:27:59 PM
First matches of the 2019 MLS debut season for FCC have been announced:

FC Cincinnati will open its 2019 home schedule on Sunday, March 17, when the team hosts MLS Cup finalist Portland Timbers at 5 p.m. at Nippert Stadium in its first-ever Major League Soccer contest in the Queen City.

FCC will formally open the 2019 season with back-to-back road games in front of MLS’ two largest average crowds. Major League Soccer announced all 24 teams’ home openers on Thursday afternoon.

FC Cincinnati will play its first-ever MLS game at CenturyLink Field against Seattle Sounders FC at 10 p.m. ET on Saturday, March 2.

In Week 2, FCC will meet MLS Cup champion Atlanta United FC at Mercedes-Benz Stadium at 5 p.m. on Sunday, March 10.

Tough way to open (@ Seattle, @ Atlanta), but still I'm psyched!!
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: MissKitty on December 21, 2018, 02:48:41 PM
Holy cow, the opening home game is on St. Patrick's Day?! Oh dear.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on December 21, 2018, 03:54:37 PM
Holy cow, the opening home game is on St. Patrick's Day?! Oh dear.
Indeed!

Clifton will be rockin'  8)
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on January 07, 2019, 11:36:41 PM
2019 schedule released:

Saturday, March 2 – at Seattle Sounders FC (CenturyLink Field, Seattle, Wash.) – 10 p.m. – FS1
Sunday, March 10 – at Atlanta United FC (Mercedes-Benz Stadium, Atlanta, Ga.) – 5 p.m. – ESPN
Sunday, March 17 – vs. Portland Timers (Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati) – 5 p.m. – FS1
Sunday, March 24 – at New England Revolution (Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, Mass.) – 4 p.m.
Saturday, March 30 – vs. Philadelphia Union (Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati) – 7:30 p.m.
Sunday, April 7 – vs. Sporting Kansas City (Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati) – 3 p.m. – ESPN
Saturday, April 13 – at LAFC (Banc of California Stadium, Los Angeles, Calif.) – 10:30 p.m.
Friday, April 19 – vs. Real Salt Lake (Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati) – 7:30 p.m.
Saturday, April 27 – at New York Red Bulls (Red Bull Arena, Harrison, N.J.) – 7 p.m.
Wednesday, May 1 – at Philadelphia Union (Talen Energy Stadium, Chester, Pa.) – 7:30 p.m.
Saturday, May 4 – at San Jose Earthquakes (Avaya Stadium, San Jose, Calif.) – 10 p.m.
Saturday, May 11 – vs. Montreal Impact (Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati) – 1 p.m. – TVA/Canada
Sunday, May 19 – at Orlando City SC (Orlando City Stadium, Orlando, Fla.) – 5 p.m.
Saturday, May 25 – vs. New York Red Bulls (Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati) – 7:30 p.m.
Saturday, June 1 – at Colorado Rapids (Dick’s Sporting Goods Park, Commerce City, Colo.) – 9 p.m.
Thursday, June 6 – at NYCFC (Yankee Stadium, New York, N.Y.) – 7 p.m.
Saturday, June 22 – vs. LA Galaxy (Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati) – 7:30 p.m.
Saturday, June 29 – at Minnesota United FC (Allianz Field, St. Paul, Minn.) – 4 p.m. – ESPN
Saturday, July 6 – vs. Houston Dynamo (Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati) – 7:30 p.m.
Saturday, July 13 – at Chicago Fire (SeatGeek Stadium, Bridgeview, Ill.) – 8 p.m.
Thursday, July 18 – vs. D.C. United (Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati) – 8 p.m. – ESPN
Sunday, July 21 – vs. New England Revolution (Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati) – 6 p.m.
Saturday, July 27 – at Toronto FC (BMO Field, Toronto, Ontario) – 8 p.m. – TSN/Canada
Saturday, Aug. 3 – vs. Vancouver Whitecaps FC (Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati) – 8 p.m. – TSN/Canada
Saturday, Aug. 10 – at Columbus Crew SC (MAPFRE Stadium, Columbus, Ohio) – 7:30 p.m.
Saturday, Aug. 17 – vs. NYCFC (Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati) – 7:30 p.m.
Sunday, Aug. 25 – vs. Columbus Crew SC (Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati) – 8 p.m. – FS1
Saturday, Aug. 31 – at FC Dallas (Toyota Stadium, Frisco, Texas) – 8 p.m.
Saturday, Sept. 7 – vs. Toronto FC (Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati) – 7:30 p.m. – TSN/Canada
Saturday, Sept. 14 – at Montreal Impact (Saputo Stadium, Montreal, Quebec) – 7:30 p.m. – TVA/Canada
Wednesday, Sept. 18 – vs. Atlanta United FC (Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati) – 7:30 p.m.
Saturday, Sept. 21 – vs. Chicago Fire (Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati) – 7:30 p.m.
Sunday, Sept. 29 – vs. Orlando City SC (Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati) – 5 p.m.
Sunday, Oct. 6 – at D.C. United (Audi Field, Washington, D.C.) – 4 p.m.

I'm psyched!
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on January 10, 2019, 10:45:58 PM
FCC is making so many roster and draft moves, it's making my head spin.

Tomorrow is (for all practical purposes) college draft day. Will be interesting to see what develops.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on January 11, 2019, 02:36:09 PM
Today is the MLS Superdraft.

Looks like FCC's new jersey was revealed along the way. I love the new jersey! Much better than the previous (USL) jersey):

http://www.espn.com/soccer/major-league-soccer/story/3748483/fc-cincinnati-selects-uclas-frankie-amaya-with-top-pick-in-mls-superdraft

Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on February 16, 2019, 10:56:16 PM
I'm loving the new FCC home jersey

https://www.mlsstore.com/fc-cincinnati/jerseys/t-21024333+d-14884215+z-927-3923239610?ab={wt-static_graphic}{pt-tlp}{al-Above_A_spot}{ct-2019JerseyLaunch}{tt-FC_Cincinnati}
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on February 23, 2019, 12:27:59 AM
Just to give perspective about the buzz of the upcoming FCC home opener in MLS: our firm decided to get a suite at Nippert, and then due to crazy client response, we decided to upgrade to the "Party Deck", and we'll be there with 60 of us (clients and friends of the firm). I'll be there.. so ready for it
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Zafer Kaya on February 23, 2019, 12:44:27 AM
Haven’t they sold something like 20k season tickets?  Not too shabby.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on February 25, 2019, 02:59:22 PM
MLS season starts this coming weekend! Woohoo!

Here a preview on FCC's expected fortunes: https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/02/21/2019-season-preview-fc-cincinnati

I agree with these projected finishes, and would be very surprised if FCC ended higher than 10th in the East, That's going to be a major eye-opener for thousands of people who think that what they saw the last couple of years in USL can simply be reepated in MLS...
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on March 02, 2019, 12:34:34 AM
Haven’t they sold something like 20k season tickets?  Not too shabby.
Yes they have. And counting...

Most "experts" have FC Cincinnati not really doing great in their initial MLS season (10th or lower in the East standings), and I can't dispute that. I think it will be a rude awakening for FCC fans, but I'd love to be wrong <sigh>

I'll be watching the MLS opener for FCC at Seatlle Sat at 10 pm, preparing for the worst, hoping for the best
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on March 03, 2019, 01:44:17 PM
Well, all one can say from this 4-1 drubbing is that the boys got schooled by a much better team in every facet of the game. I can't really say that I was all that surprised. Glad we did get to see one fabulous moment, when FCC went up 0-1 (against the run of the game) with that incredible volley.

Alan Koch and his staff have a lot of work ahead of them to get this team to be competitive, and the calendar isn't too kind: next week in Atlanta, then the week thereafter the home opener vs. Portland. I'm guessing that FCC may get 1 point out of those games, if that.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: MissKitty on March 04, 2019, 03:34:20 PM
They really need to pick up the pace. And improve their passing. I know this is their first year playing the big boys, but man ...

I couldn't believe how many times Seattle kept running the same play and FCC just never picked up on it.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on March 04, 2019, 11:06:17 PM
http://www.espn.com/soccer/cincinnati/story/3791489/sources-us-midfielder-kenny-saief-set-for-loan-to-fc-cincinnati

As I follow the Belgian top league closely, I can declare that this guy has been an afterthought at Anderlecht, of course one of the top teams in Belgium. But hey, for all I know, this guy will set the MLS on fire... Lordie, FCC needs all the help it can get.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on March 06, 2019, 10:43:20 PM
That deal is now official... FCC has loaned him, with an option to purchase.

FCC fans seem very excited about it: https://www.instagram.com/p/BurkUt4jJNO/

It also got press in Belgium: https://sporza.be/nl/2019/03/06/saief-naar-mls/

Saief played 5 years in Belgium, first with Gent, then with Anderlecht (one of the Big Three), where he reconnected with his manager of Gent. Alas, because of Anderlecht's current disastrous season, that manager was fired, and the new manager decided he had no use for Saief, leaving him on a side track. FCC has thrown him a life line. Let's see how that works out for FCC...
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: c-lando on March 07, 2019, 09:11:06 AM
If anyone is coming down for the Atlanta United/FCC match, let me know!
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: MissKitty on March 07, 2019, 02:20:52 PM
If anyone is coming down for the Atlanta United/FCC match, let me know!

I know IPrayForSound is going for sure.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: c-lando on March 07, 2019, 04:34:18 PM
If anyone is coming down for the Atlanta United/FCC match, let me know!

I know IPrayForSound is going for sure.

IPrayForTANG.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: trixi on March 07, 2019, 10:22:52 PM
If anyone is coming down for the Atlanta United/FCC match, let me know!

I know IPrayForSound is going for sure.

IPrayForTANG.
Wow...that's a blast from the past...had totally forgotten that name! 
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on March 07, 2019, 10:34:51 PM
If anyone is coming down for the Atlanta United/FCC match, let me know!
I've got away FCC games locked in this year for New York and Chicago, but Atlanta is big on my list for next year,
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on March 17, 2019, 12:01:47 AM
FCC's MLS home opener tomorrow at 5 pm!!!!

The match is officially sold out.

I have season tickets, but gave them to my son as I will actually watch from one of the suites with clients and friends of the firm. The client demand was so high that we upgraded to the largest suite available (65 people).

With tomorrow being also St. Patty's day, Clifton is going to be rocking. Traffic and parking will be a huge challenge. I am meeting up with clients at 3 pm at the Taste of Belgium on Short Vine for a late brunch, and then make our way over to Nippert around 4 or so.

I have to say, I'm pretty excited.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on March 18, 2019, 10:44:21 PM
Well, all I have to say is that it was magical. From the pre-game hours build-up, with so much going on in Clifton, to the actual game itself, it all felt so perfect, almost surreal. One of the best sports moments in my 32 years living in Cincinnati.

And as a complete aside, one of the best client-entertaining events we have ever hosted. The energy and good vibes were all around. We had about 65 people in our suite at Nippert. "Hope we can come again", commented one of my clients. When was the last time you heard a comment like that at the Reds or Bengals?
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Zafer Kaya on March 19, 2019, 12:30:22 PM
No one will be saying that about FC Cincinnati either, if they suck for five years straight.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on March 19, 2019, 10:32:44 PM
That is true, but I have a nagging feeling that this will not be the case. Dunno, just a hunch.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on March 19, 2019, 10:35:32 PM
BBC News, yes the effing BBC, sent a reporter to FCC's opening game in MLS. Amazing. Just watch:

https://old.reddit.com/r/FCCincinnati/comments/b2xrpi/bbc_sport_report_on_fc_cincinnati_video/
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on March 24, 2019, 10:34:13 PM
Nice victory for FCC away at New England! 0-2!

Now tied for first in the MLS  Eastern Division, yea... That Seattle trashing seems far away now.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/standings

But not reading too much into that... It's a long season. Next up, Phillie at home next Saturday evening.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on April 04, 2019, 10:41:14 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/apr/01/fc-cincinnati-mls-soccer

published on April 1, but not a joke. Just read and smile
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on April 16, 2019, 10:44:04 PM
If FCC is serious about wanting to be a playoff contender, Friday's home match vs. Real Salt Lake is a must-win, period, with 3 consecutive away games coming up (and all in 8 days), and after only getting 1 point from their last 3 matches.

It may be we've been spoiled by recent expansion MLS teams Atlanta United and LAFC. Besides those, other recent MLS expansion teams haven't proven playoff caliber.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on April 30, 2019, 11:02:51 PM
Massive road game at Phillie tomorrow. Can FCC finally score again?
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on May 02, 2019, 10:53:44 PM
*UPDATE* No, FCC cannot seem to score... The last goal from an open/running play goes back 5 games now (in late March at New England).

They clearly need reinforcement in the attacking line. Yes, Adi has been "out" for weeks (due to that DUI) but I don't think he's the answer either (even though he's on the hook for $2 mill)...

Trying times for FCC, but as I've said all along, the transition to MLS was not going to be easy. That has proven to be true, and then some....

Still, looking forward to going to the upcoming home matches and enjoy all that entails (including the before and after shenanigans).
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on May 07, 2019, 02:16:09 PM
FCC fires head coach Alan Koch after just 11 games in the MLS. Wow. I didn't see that coming, although the scoreless (and winless) streak has been a killer.

But according to GM Jeff Berding, that was not the primary reason. Koch had "lost the team", as they say.

https://www.fccincinnati.com/post/2019/05/07/club-dismisses-head-coach-alan-koch

I think part of Berding's thinking was: "what would Mike Brown do? I'm gonna do the EXACT OPPOSITE".

Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Zafer Kaya on May 07, 2019, 02:46:47 PM
I mean, who knows?

He had good results with a team that was massively more talented than the rest of the division.  He had bad results with a team that was massively inferior to the rest of the division.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on June 03, 2019, 01:17:37 AM
A month later... FCC is now officially the worst team in the MLS.

Last night at Colorado was just dismal... (Colorado had 2 wins at the time.)

This season has been a massive fail on every account. So disappointing.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on June 11, 2019, 11:07:08 PM
Belated update: my son and I were in New York and went to the game at NYCFC last Thursday, played at Yankee Stadium. I was surprised how well the playing circumstances were (being in a baseball stadium).

FCC was shit (once again), losing 5-2, but not scoring a single time (both the FCC goals were NYCFC own-goals if you can believe it). On the good side, we hung out pre-game with NYCFC supporters in a cool place (Bronx Brewing House), and a good time was enjoyed all around. And it's New York! (we were there for a mini-family gathering.)

Then on Sunday we went to the US-Venezuela game at Nippert. Great atmosphere but the US got schooled by Venezuela, 0-3, wow. It was bad, really bad, I mean, like FCC has been recently <sigh>
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on July 07, 2019, 12:07:36 AM
Hey FC Cincinnati wins a game! We were at Nippert for the game against Houston tonight, and with several players back from Gold Cup duty, FCC looked amazingly better, going up 1-0, then 2-0, then 3-0 due to a horrible mistake by the Houston goalie. That turned out to be the difference, as Houston stormed back, scoring 2 goals late in the game, but FCC held on. Awesome atmosphere at Nippert. Just a great way to spend a hot summer evening watching soccer.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on July 16, 2019, 10:59:34 PM
Final stadium designs released today, and frankly, they look f*cking awesome.

https://www.fccincinnati.com/post/2019/07/16/new-groundbreaking-west-end-stadium-design-unveiled
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Zafer Kaya on July 17, 2019, 01:34:35 PM
Now that you've seen a bunch of games, how would you compare MLS talent to Belgian Pro League?
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on July 17, 2019, 11:41:35 PM
Now that you've seen a bunch of games, how would you compare MLS talent to Belgian Pro League?
Not great, to be honest. If MLS were operating in Europe, they'd be a third rate league (Belgium being a second rate league).

But MLS is the best this country has to offer. And I love the soccer experience at FCC. Just to put in perspective: FCC average attendance is 28,000. Only one club in the Belgian Pro League draws more. (FCC is 3rd in attendance in MLS)

The level of play in MLS will improve, no doubt, but it will take time.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on July 20, 2019, 12:36:28 AM
I am hosting clients at our firm's Nippert suite on Sunday for the game vs New England. Despite FCC's underwhelming streak in their first MLS season, we have had no trouble finding clients that are very eager to attend.

As opposed to our firm's Reds suite. It's been terrible, to be honest. Little client interest, cancellations, etc. Before the beginning of this year's season, our firm signed a 3 year extension on our suite at GABP, which our Partner In Charge now terms a "drag" (read: a terrible mistake). And I couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Butter on July 30, 2019, 01:01:59 PM
I am thankful every day that I live in not Cincinnati and work in not Hamilton County, because your governments are a bunch of idiots.

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/i-team/taxpayer-tab-on-fc-cincinnati-real-estate-needs-213-million-and-rising

$213 million for Major League Soccer!  WTF.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: foolsgold on July 30, 2019, 01:16:47 PM
Huh.  If only there was some way we could have seen this coming.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Zafer Kaya on July 30, 2019, 02:18:19 PM
That is a true shocker.  Next thing you know, they'll be trying to raise ticket prices despite finishing last in the league.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 30, 2019, 03:39:14 PM
Nobody could have foreseen any of this.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on July 30, 2019, 06:08:44 PM
I am impressed with the level of detailed research done for this article.

Also, as the article notes:

"It’s still a better deal for taxpayers than local governments struck with MLS teams in Nashville and Columbus."

You may not like it, but that's the nature of any major league sports in the US.

I am perfectly content to have an MLS team in Cincinnati. To each their own, obviously.
Title: Re: FC Cincin
Post by: Zafer Kaya on July 30, 2019, 10:58:33 PM
You may not like it, but that's the nature of any major league sports in the US.

Well yes, that’s exactly why no one likes it.  Because major league sports are an unjustifiable money sink that NEVER work out despite each and every time the franchises claiming how much revenue they will generate.

It’s going to cost FOUR times what they said it will.  That’s unconscionable.  But then of course the next time the schools run 15% over budget I’m sure you’ll be quick to point out their incompetence and lack of budgetary restraint.


Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on July 30, 2019, 11:13:55 PM
ZK, don't get me wrong, I totally get what you are saying.

But those are the choices that "major league cities" are making.

I was appalled by the Bengals' stadium deal in the mid-90s. Nobody ever said anything bad about the Reds's stadium deal in the early 00s (because it was markedly better than the Bengals deal) but that involved a zillion of tax payers' money too. In contrast, FCC is paying for its own $250 million stadium (about the same that it cost the Reds' new stadium, all paid by tax payers).

Point is: if you want to have "major league" teams in your city, it costs the community a lot of tax dollars. Would I be happier if there was no Bengals, Reds or FCC team in Cincinnati because it wouldn't cost the tax payers to have those teams? I can categorically tell you that I would not be. I enjoy having "major league" sports in Cincinnati. And if you compare the 3 deals (Bengals, Reds, FCC), the FCC deal is BY FAR the best (as in: least public tax dollars), even though, yes, it still takes a lot of community dollars.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Zafer Kaya on July 31, 2019, 12:04:51 AM
I would personally enjoy having a major league team in Richmond, too.  But I don’t think it’s fair to the children and poor people of the community to suffer so I can watch a sports team.

At the same time, there is always a false dichotomy here.  Anytime someone wants anything you can always play holier-then-thou and say “What about the kids?”  Right, like I am not going to take a 25% meals tax and a 10% property tax to fund Richmond’s horribly run public schools.

I don’t like the lies and corruption.  If a team is going to cost $500m, tell me it will cost $500m and  show me where you will take the money from.  I expect the same thing from the schools.  Of course I want better schools but I’m not funding raises for horrible school administrators or to buy new computers for the fancy school when the ones they have are fine and the poor school is literally falling apart.

If you think the sports team is worth it, then fine.  But no one should be complicit in allowing the teams and their elected officials to lie.  If they say it costs $50om for a stadium and at the end of the day the stadium costs $500m exactly according to plan then well.. majority wins.  I got outvoted. 

But if it’s true that the stadium will cost FOUR TIMES/$150m over what they claimed, heads should roll.  That’s completely unacceptable.  And if you’re going to come with “Amazingly, this isn’t even the shittiest deal ever!” that’s like double-fireable.  You not only fucked up, but you think it’s fine.

The reason the MLS stadium deal isn’t worse is primarily because MLS isn’t as big as other sports.  There’s a limit to how shitty it can be.  But someday soon, the Reds and/or Bengals will be asking for deals from the same elected officials.  What’s going to happen then? 
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Butter on July 31, 2019, 07:44:32 AM
You're paying $213 million for 4th tier soccer.  That sounds great.  Sign me up.

MLS is borderline unwatchable compared to virtually any European league or even lower level international football.  I had a lot of fun watching the Gold Cup, even when it was low level teams like Curacao vs. Jamaica or something like that.  The effort level was off the charts.

FC Cincinnati vs. Kansas City?  Meh.  And you're taking money away from actual social programs for this shit!
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Zafer Kaya on July 31, 2019, 09:57:21 AM
Yeah, it's kind of sketchy to call MLS a true "major league" at this point.  The talent isn't really the best, especially on bad clubs like FC Cincinnati.  And I don't know if it's going to get any better.  And IMO, the league is way more likely to get worse or outright fold than to become more competitive. 

MLS is just a stupid league with a stupid structure.  You'd think it would generate quite a bit of excitement if Demba Ba and Eden Hazard took over an MLS club.  Instead they're starting a club in a lower league.  That's messed up.

FC Cincinnati is exactly what was cool about soccer in the US.  That anyone with a decent (but not crazy stupid) amount of cash and some enthusiasm can tap into a mid-major city, and start up a team that wins, makes money, and draws 10-20k local, enthusiastic fans every game.  And you get to run the whole thing.  You can even play for the team once you retire. It's real life Football Manager for real life professional footballers.

But then you move up to MLS, and you don't even own the team anymore.  You acquire players through some complex draft and allotment procedure, and there are salary regulations and you share revenue.  And yeah, you get game like FC Cincinnati vs Kansas City where no one really cares.  The league relies on a ponzi scheme where it has to keep expanding to stay afloat, which just keeps diluting the talent.



Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on July 31, 2019, 11:40:10 PM
ZK, your disdain for MLS is obvious, so be it.

From my perspective, this is the best soccer in the country, and I am a huge soccer fan (for reasons you already know).

Attendance at FCC is not "10-20K", FCC averages 28K (3rd highest in MLS). Every home game is an EVENT, win or lose. Hard to explain if you've never gone to an FCC home match, but it is. It's not *just* about the game. It's also the fraternizing before the game. An entire community coming together.

Yes, FCC is bad right now, very bad in fact. Given the shortest time in MLS history to make the transition to MLS (272 days), I had no illusions about it and knew it would be ugly. FCC FO is now investing heavily to turn that around. So your comment that "it's not going any better" is premature, if not pointless. Are you suggesting that FCC is destined to be the worst team in MLS forever? I don't think so. Look at Minnesota United's track record. Rose up to MLS, initial 2 seasons were terrible. Now in their 3rd season in MLS doing very well, thank you. I don't see why FCC would be any different.

Finally, as to your point that MLS isn't really "major league", I disagree of course. In fact I will go on record right now that MLS will continue to grow and flourish. The love for soccer in this county will continue to grow, and MLS is simply an enabler.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 01, 2019, 01:19:52 AM
It has nothing to do with Cincinnati, per se.  it has to do with MLS and the soccer infrastructure of this country.  FC Cincinnati will probably get better, but some team is always going to suck.  And that suckage drags down the talent level and interest in the league in general. 

MLS cannot compete with Europe.  If you are 14 and you get the chance to go to Liverpool’s training academy or shitty USSF, what do you pick.  Of course you go to Europe.  And then if you succeed, you stay there.  The USSF produces Freddy Adu.  Europe produces Puselic.

You think the enthusiasm for FC Cincinnati will always be there?  It won’t.  I have seen this happen to DC United.  You think I don’t understand MLS?  I was a DC United season ticket holder for the first five years where everyone was hyped up about it. 

And even if things work out, then FC Cincinnati will just cost the city even more money because they have more clout.  No one makes money on pro sports at the top level.  Not cities, not universities.

No, FC Cincinnati games are not a whole community coming together.  Go to a sports bar.  Ask people how many players they can name— not just in Cincinnati but the entire MLS.  Then ask them how many Bengals they can name.  Or Reds.  They can probably reel off more Reds minor leaguers.  The atmosphere at MLS games is largely a manufactured attempt to act like European soccer fans because people think that’s what you are supposed to do than any real enthusiasm.  Go to a college football or basketball game and see real fans.

That’s why it was better NOT to be in MLS.  It’s less of a business.  You can make more money simply by not having to make money.  You get a cheap place to play, you get a modest number of excited fans who are loyal, you can run the club at breakeven, instead of losing money on a ponzi scheme.

It’s a shitty money suck that takes money from the poor to benefit the rich.  Who is sitting in those executive box suites, and who got their school torn down?
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on August 01, 2019, 11:07:44 PM
Thanks for that perspective, ZK , thoughtful as always.

Couple of points, and I imagine we could go ping-ponging on this for a while (if you'd like):

"some teams will always suck": well yes, that is true not just for MLS, but also for the other major leagues. I mean, have you looked at what is going on at the Miami Marlins? They suckered the local tax payers to build one of the grandest baseball stadiums ever, and they then sucked and continue to suck, and attendance have been likewise (worst in MLB).

"No, FC Cincinnati are not a whole community coming together": I never said a "whole" community. That is impossible. Do you know of any cause bringing together a "whole" community, as in, literally everyone? But FCC does bring together "a" community, and a large one at that.

"Go to a sports bar, ask people how many players they can name": you'd be surprised how well versed people here are with specific FCC players. I see it first hand. And the discussion gets heated about such or so player doing well or not.

"The atmosphere at MLS game is largely manufactured": couldn't disagree more, at least for FCC. Wish I could host you at an FCC game and show you.

"It's a shitty money suck that takes money from the poor to benefit the rich": how is MLS any different from the other major leagues?
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on August 11, 2019, 11:21:35 PM
We went to the FCC away game at Columbus last night. What a blast. Had never been to the MAPFRE stadium before (although I had driven by it on I-71 many times). There are no bars anywhere close, it's basically in the middle of nowhere, some 5 miles from downtown Columbus on the State Fair Grounds. So you roll in, and gotta pay $15, and there is tailgating everywhere. We got there at 6 (for a 7:30 kick-off), hung out tailgating, and then headed over to the stadium at 7. The MAPFRE stadium is a dump. As bare bones as you'll ever find. We had scalped our seats on StubHub and were seated amidst plenty of Crew fans. No issues whatsoever, and there were LOTS of FCC fans at the sold-out game (think Steelers invading PBS for the Bengals). The game was crazy, FCC going up 0-2 in the first 25 min, then hanging on for dear life for a 2-2 tie. The weather was perfect and the atmosphere was great all around for this "Hell Is Real" derby. The place ROCKED. This is the best that MLS has to offer. We thoroughly enjoyed it all around. Can't wait for the return game in 2 weeks at Nippert.

As a long-time European soccer-snob that I am, I can't understand those that remain skeptical/indignant about MLS. It is real and it LIVES, certainly in the FCC universe. Check this out:

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/08/10/highlights-columbus-crew-sc-vs-fc-cincinnati-august-10-2019?autoplay=true

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/08/11/crew-sc-fc-cincy-say-hell-real-rise-after-wild-derby
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 12, 2019, 12:40:39 PM
I think you over estimate the enthusiasm for FCC.  Outside of a few boards folk, like yourself, I don't know a single person that gives a shit bout FCC or MLS.  Furthermore, I'd bet if you did a random survey around the city you'd find that at least 50% are barely aware that the team is even a thing and the majority of those probably don't know much more about it than the drama behind the west end stadium deal.

Just because all teams fuck the community doesn't mean Cincinnati had a duty to bend over for yet another franchise.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 12, 2019, 01:01:04 PM
Because MLS loses tons of money, euro60.  It's not that complicated.

The MLS only stays afloat by generating additional revenue two ways.  One is via ponzi scheme-- each new team has to pay the league to join, so they keep adding new teams.  The other is USSF money.  The National teams generate revenue for USSF who redirect it to MLS.  And considering the men's team sucks and the majority of National team money is now generated by the women, it doesn't seem very fair or sustainable for the USWNT to exist solely as a funding mechanism for MLS.

MLS is still operating like a start up.  They're betting they can start generating a profit before they drain all the funding.  I don't see that happening considering they have already grown a lot and *still* can't generate a profit, and because the international reach of other leagues is growing.  And to top it all off, the league is ultimately managed by the incompetents at USSF who can't doing anything right.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on August 13, 2019, 11:43:40 PM
I don't know... am I living in a bubble when FCC averages 28,000 per game? If so, 27,999 others are too. I'm guessing you haven't been to an FCC game. And how would that be different from, say, the Reds, who are averaging 23,000 per game this year? Obviously the Reds have been around much longer and play lots more games (and get much more TV money), I totally get that, so maybe this is not a fair comparison, but still...

ZK, I think you are dead wrong about the MLS "survival" chances. Interest in soccer in this country keeps on building, and MLS is simply riding that wave. No way that MLS is going to crash and burn (as some of the earlier US soccer leagues did). There is simply too much a demand for it to go away.

I may be over-enthusiastic about FCC, but that is because I love soccer and now I have here in Cincy what I had never dreamed about just 5 or 10 years ago. Growing up in Belgium I supported a team in the top league (Lokeren) in good and bad times (and still do). They averaged 7-8000 per game when I lived in Belgium, and that was not great, but not bad either (for Belgian standards). But I relished going to the games with friends/family. After all these years, I have found the same with FCC.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 14, 2019, 01:57:05 AM
The difference to me is what Kwyjibo is saying.  Those 28,000 fans are pretty much all the fans there are. 

Right?  Like, I will attend zero Cubs games this year.  But I’m still a fan.  I will watch NBA games, or NFL games between two teams I care nothing about just because I like football. 

It’s why I think Cincy should have stayed in a lower division.  The fans that do support the team are really enthusiastic and hardcore.  It's kind of a cult (not bad cult, like cult film cult) thing. 

Look.  Cincinnati vs Columbus is not a real Derby.  Neither team has a history of denying the other team titles.  They’ve never even played before.  So no one cares.  Except for the supporters of both sides who decided their team NEEDS a derby and rival because it is more fun that way. You did not invade Columbus’s pitch.  You were welcomed.  In fact, they desperately need you because they need to sell tickets and have their team seem legit so the team does not get moved to Austin.

You know who their rival was before you?  Toronto.  Why?  Who cares about Toronto?  Because it was the closest city they had and MLS decided to make a fake Cup to be exchanged between the teams.

The games are kind of like less sporting events than they are cosplay conventions.  One side plays the role of FC Cincinnati fans and one side plays Crew fans.  What do football fans do?  Oh they have tifos and act crazy so that is what we will do.  That’s admittedly a bit of exaggeration, but you get the idea.

That’s why I think that FC Cincinnati should have stayed where they were.  They have a strong cult following.  The other teams in that division have smaller, but also strong followers.  So they can sustain that level of attendance.  Maybe long enough for the sport to really grow.  If Cincinnati plays Columbus ten times a year every year in a league or division where the games matter then after awhile you get real popularity.

It takes time for a team and sport to really soak into the culture.  The MLS and is trying too hard to force this to happen.  30 teams is ridiculous.  Columbus is going to move or fold, then you have to start over. 

I think you can make a case that interest in soccer is growing, but MLS is not able to tap into it.  There is a Richmond Manchester United supporters club.  There’s a Liverpool bar.  Tottenham is popular amongst the hipsters.  No one gives a shit about DC United, which is our closest MLS team.

MLS games get lower ratings than Premier League games, and Liga MX.  Something like 80% of the revenue is generated from league attendance.  Which tells you that support runs deep but not wide.  In order to try and fix this, they just keep adding new teams.  But every time they do, the rules change and rivalries change it’s like a new thing. 

Cincinnati has the fan base to support a their teams. Many of these other cities don’t or won’t.  They’ll drag FC Cincinnati (and the city taxpayers) down with them.  I do not like USSF, but I do think MLS commissioner Don Garber is a pretty smart dude.  He’s doing what he can to keep MLS afloat, but that necessarily means short-term survival strategies because the US really is not ready for big-time soccer.  If they scaled it back, then they’d do better but everyone feels like the answer is to try and jam it down people’s throats instead.

You can talk about the atmosphere all you want.  I don’t deny that it is probably fun.  But the bottom line is that it amounts to nothing right now. The majority of clubs in MLS lose money.  What sustains those clubs is revenue sharing from the clubs that do make money, the buy-in fees from new clubs, and revenue generated from the National Team.  That clearly is not sustainable in the long term.

None of the owners own their clubs.  They own a stake in MLS, so the league is geared more towards everyone grouping together than teams fighting it out.  So how do the owners make any money?  Through their stadium deals.  They own the stadium.  Which is how I know the stadium deal will be a huge loser for the tax payers. 










Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: MoxyWOXY on August 14, 2019, 04:08:40 PM
You did not invade Columbus’s pitch.  You were welcomed.  In fact, they desperately need you because they need to sell tickets and have their team seem legit so the team does not get moved to Austin.

...


Columbus is going to move or fold, then you have to start over. 


Austin already got a franchise in a shady MLS deal.

Columbus is not moving to Austin. Perhaps you somehow didn't hear about the "Save the Crew" movement? It got a substantial amount of national attention, for soccer in the US anyway.

A new stadium is going to be built downtown in the Arena District. It's desperately needed for many of the reasons euro already pointed out. Mapfre is a horrible location. Bad part of town and nothing around it. Get in, get out. But a hell of a deal was a hell of a deal I suppose. The land Mapfre sits on is going to be turned into a recreational sports complex.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 14, 2019, 09:25:13 PM
I honestly don’t think they are ever going to make it into that new stadium, which is already sounding like a disaster.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Butter on August 14, 2019, 09:59:17 PM
Watched Atlanta vs. Club America tonight. Entertaining.

Saw on the crawl at the bottom that MLS is announcing a 4th upcoming expansion team, which just supports the Ponzi scheme idea.

What the fuck are you doing, MLS? 
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on August 14, 2019, 11:39:48 PM
Watched the 2nd half of Atlanta-Club America, entertaining indeed.

Butter, MLS is not a Ponzi scheme. MLS is building out to become a 32 team league like all the major leagues. Do you really think that the $200 mill entrance fee that St. Louis will pay, to be divided up by the existing teams, is going to make a big difference in the bottom line of each of those teams? Of course not.

MLS isn't going to crash and burn. It is here to stay.

ZK, you mentioned that "Cincinnati has the fan base to support their team. Many of these other cities don’t or won’t. They’ll drag FC Cincinnati (and the city taxpayers) down with them." That is an utterly baseless statement on so many levels, sorry. Which of those "other cities don' or won't" do you mean? Specifically? And how would that drag down FCC even if it were to happen? And how would that affect Cincy tax payers?

And just a reminder that FCC isn't dragging down the local tax payers. The local/state tax benefits and incentives awarded to FCC for a self-financed $250 mill stadium are no different than, say, Procter & Gamble expanding their Cincinnati presence (which is massive) by $250 mill, for which P&G would get the exact same local/state benefits, or any other company for that matter, which is the point, FCC is just another company investing in the local economy.

This stands of course in stark contrast with the deal that the Bengals and Reds got in the 00's, where the tax payer indeed paid for the new stadiums--terrible all around, as it turned out (in particular for the Bengals stadium). That said, you may or may not remember that this was actually put to the voters of Hamilton County, and passed by 65 percent if I recall correctly. I wasn't allowed to vote back then (I think it was in 1997 or some such), but I made a $1 dollar with my then-girlfriend that the ballot issue would pass, she didn't it would. When it passed she wrote me a $1 check, I still have it to this day (never cashed it). We broke up shortly thereafter (nothing to do with the ballot issue--at least I think LOL).
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Butter on August 15, 2019, 07:35:58 AM
Butter, MLS is not a Ponzi scheme. MLS is building out to become a 32 team league like all the major leagues. Do you really think that the $200 mill entrance fee that St. Louis will pay, to be divided up by the existing teams, is going to make a big difference in the bottom line of each of those teams? Of course not.

The league's salary bill for 2019 is about $260 million.  One entry fee for a team can about cover that (about 80% of it at least) for a single year.  Not sure how that is insignificant.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 15, 2019, 09:56:38 AM
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Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 15, 2019, 02:34:28 PM
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The local/state tax benefits and incentives awarded to FCC for a self-financed $250 mill stadium are no different than, say, Procter & Gamble expanding their Cincinnati presence (which is massive) by $250 mill, for which P&G would get the exact same local/state benefits, or any other company for that matter, which is the point, FCC is just another company investing in the local economy.

I suppose that's a fair point, in a way.  Except I think giving P&G and other corporations subsidies is a horrible idea as well.  So what you're saying to me reads like "This is no more stupid than all those other incredibly stupid things we do!"  That's a poor baseline comparison.

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This stands of course in stark contrast with the deal that the Bengals and Reds got in the 00's, where the tax payer indeed paid for the new stadiums--terrible all around, as it turned out (in particular for the Bengals stadium).

.... and it's less stupid than that even more insanely off-the-charts stupid thing we did that was so stupid people still can't even believe we did it!

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MLS isn't going to crash and burn. It is here to stay.

Oh, but they're not just trying to be here to stay.  Their goal in 2022 is to have 30 teams and be the the top league in the world.   As you have noted, the level of play in MLS is below that of Belgium's top league.  The salary cap for an entire MLS team is $4 million.  Lionel Messi's salary is $192 million.  2022 is less three years from now. Does this not strike you as a tad overly ambitious?

I'm not down on like, soccer overall in the US.  I just kinda feel like MLS... I don't see how it can work the way it is going.  I dunno, most people seem to think they've turned a corner.  Maybe I'm being to pessimistic.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on August 15, 2019, 11:06:27 PM
Providing tax incentives and benefits to companies making big investments is the nature of the game, it goes on everywhere, not just here but around the world. You may not like it a bit that is the way it is. I see it up close in my job (as a corporate lawyer).

I never saw or read the claim you make that MLS is wanting to be the "top league of the world  in 2022". Do you have any backup for that? In any event, that is an insane statement to make. And never gonna happen, obviously.

And yes, you are way too pessimistic about MLS. Would love to host you at an FCC home game so you can take in for yourself what is going on here. Heck, I'll even treat you the pre-game Taste of Belgium beer and food shindig.Heck, that goes for you too, Butter. I've got season tix. Let's do this!
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 16, 2019, 12:09:36 PM
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Providing tax incentives and benefits to companies making big investments is the nature of the game, it goes on everywhere, not just here but around the world. You may not like it a bit that is the way it is. I see it up close in my job (as a corporate lawyer).

Yes, crony capitalism happens everywhere, and I remain opposed to it everywhere it happens just like murder, rape, theft and all the other bad shit that unfortunately happens all over the world.

Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on August 17, 2019, 12:22:35 AM
ZK, surely you realize that without the tax incentives and benefits for companies investing in communities, the free market system as we know it would come to a grinding halt. Are you saying you want that system to end? Where would that end up? The USSR in the 50-80s? Is that what you would like? (Not that I'm calling you a communist LOL)
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Zafer Kaya on August 17, 2019, 12:42:24 PM
ZK, surely you realize that without the tax incentives and benefits for companies investing in communities, the free market system as we know it would come to a grinding halt.

You may want to rethink your definition of “free market.”  Do you understand that I am the one actually making the free market argument here? 
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on August 18, 2019, 12:34:14 AM
Urr, no I don't understand.... please explain?
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on August 19, 2019, 11:29:28 PM
Hell Is Real Part 2 is upon us... This Sunday at Nippert FCC encounters the Columbus Crew. What a game that will be! 2 weeks ago in Columbus, FCC managed at 2-2 tie in a game they should've lost. The atmosphere was electric. (And the first sell-out for the Crew this year.) I'm sure Nippert will close to a sell-out too.

If you can't make it, the game will be on FoxSports 1 at 6 pm.

FCC has been terrible this year, but beating the Crew make up some of that.

Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on August 25, 2019, 02:55:36 PM
From my non-business understanding, free market = no government intervention.

Tax breaks, incentives, etc. are government intervention.

In North Carolina, we have no MLS interest. Even though we are the 9th most populist state, we only have 2 major league sports teams: Carolina Panthers and Carolina Hurricanes. Locally, the NC Football Club, the WSL champions NC Courage, and the Durham Bulls are our summer sport draws. And we have a couple of college basketball teams that might as well be professional teams. That's where our sports loyalties are primarily focused.

Found some statistics: https://soccerstadiumdigest.com/2019-mls-attendance/ (average 12k - 53k)
Atlanta just has massive attendance compared to everyone else.

And other leagues
NFL: http://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance/_/year/2018 (average 32k - 91k)
MLB: http://espn.com/mlb/attendance (average 10k - 48k)
NHL: http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance (average 12k - 22k)
NBA: http://www.espn.com/nba/attendance (average 15k- 20k)
Fun fact: Los Angeles has the highest average baseball attendance and the lowest average NFL attendance. In fact, on average, more go to Dodgers than Chargers games.

But the statistic that shows the real in person draw sport in the US? Top 30 college football (FBS) average attendance - 55k to 110k.
And that is with a total of 129 teams in the division.
Title: Re: FC Cincinnati
Post by: euro60 on September 30, 2019, 01:40:01 PM
FCC's last home game of the initial MLS season was yesterday.

It might well have been FCC's season in a nutshell: FCC goes up 1-0, and then stupidly and unnecessarily allows the equalizer in STOPPAGE time of the second half (92nd min.). It's absolutely inexcusable.

Attendance-wise, FCC finishes the season with an average of over 27,000 per game, the third highest in MLS. Absolutely amazing.

https://soccerstadiumdigest.com/2019-mls-attendance/