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Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on February 17, 2006, 08:31:44 AM
Never fear... Poncho is here.  Ask away.  Nothing is too simple and if it's too complex... I'll just make something up.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: clemsonfan on February 17, 2006, 08:38:00 AM
What skills in which order are the best to take in HC ascensions?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on February 17, 2006, 09:17:26 AM
Well... that's pretty complex, but if you think about it from the perspective of getting more turns...

I would take Saucemastery and Pastamancery very early.

The ability to make reagent potions (Saucemastery) will let you attack stronger monsters faster.
Adding Pastamancery will let you fight monsters AND make chow meins.  The main chow meins (bat wing, rat appendix and knob sausage) give you 20-30 turns each.
You've now got about 50+ extra turns each day over someone without those skills.

I think 50+ turns is a HUGE deal.  

So, my (and it's just MY OPINION) first 10 choices would be:

01. Saucemastery (SA)
02. Pastamancery (PM)
03. Amphibian Sympathy (TT)
04. Moxious Madrigal (AT)
05. Empathy of the Newt (TT)
06. Leash of Linguini (PM)
07. Powerballad of Arrowsmith (AT)
08. Lunging Thrust Smack (SC)
09. Impetious Sauciness (SA)
10. Advanced Cocktailcrafting (DB)

I think Moxious Madigral is a great skill to keep.  You can survive a lot of places with that extra kick.

Lunging Thrust Smack makes all the difference in the world.  The earlier (day-wise) you can get into the castle... the earlier you ascend.  I've fought in the castle with really crappy stats by LTS and heal, LTS and heal, LTS and heal, LTS and heal.  It lets you fight much higher than you probably should.

I think I'd run for the Trinity of Familiar boosters to help cut 90 or more turns off your NS fight.  If you have Sympathy, Empathy and Leash... you've cut MASSIVE time off leveling up your familiars for the NS.  Combined with a Tome for green snowcones... you are set (Green snowcone + Sympathy + Empathy + Leash = any fam you choose is instantly 21lbs without even getting the familiar item for it... that way the only fam you have to train is the ATTACK FAM you use on the final battle... you don't have to worry about the ones for getting into the lair.. which CAN add 90 or more turns to your run)

Power ballad is a VERY cheap way to hit harder and stay alive longer.  You'll thank yourself.

Impetious is just awesome... potions that used to last 5 turns will now last 10 turns.  You need half as many.  It's much cheaper and much better.

Disco Bandit drinks will give you about 30+ turns a day over the brewery or cheap dropped drinks.  This isn't key in the beginnig (Mostly because of how hard it is to ascend a DB without a lot of skills) but it should be in your Top Ten.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on February 17, 2006, 11:51:14 AM
Quote from: "clemsonfan"
What skills in which order are the best to take in HC ascensions?

When you beat the Naughy Sorceress, you ascend, right?

What's the difference between hardcore and softcore?

Do I lose my familiars when I ascend?  I suspect this, but don't know why.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on February 17, 2006, 12:41:52 PM
Which does better for stats (specifically at the valley), +5 monster level or +5lb of volleyball?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on February 17, 2006, 01:36:05 PM
Quote from: "Dan"

When you beat the Naughy Sorceress, you ascend, right?

What's the difference between hardcore and softcore?


It's not really "when" you beat her it's after you beat her, free the king, and go into the portal.

The short version of hardcore vs. softcore is that in a hardcore run, you can't buy stuff from other gamers (mall or flea market), or recieve gifts or buffs from them.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Action Jim on February 17, 2006, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: "Juliana"

The short version of hardcore vs. softcore is that in a hardcore run, you can't buy stuff from other gamers (mall or flea market), or recieve gifts or buffs from them.


...or get access to any of your stuff.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on February 17, 2006, 02:40:29 PM
Jeff... I'd go with the 5lbs of volleyball... but in the valley it's really too close to call.  

When you get to the castle or the hole in the sky... a sombrero with +5 monster is WAY BETTER
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on February 17, 2006, 02:57:38 PM
Dan... Juliana is right.

Ascending is optional after beating her.  It's like jumping down the rabbit hole.  You beat her, a King appears... you can touch him and free him.  THEN you can read all about ascension in a FAQ.  You get nekkid, pick the fam you want to take with you and jump in the hole to start fresh.

Hardcore you start at ground zero... you can't interact with others (except in chat) and you can't buy items (except the marketplace and in game places... the mall, flea market and trades are OUT).  You can't use Mr. A's or Mr. Store equipment (Tam o' Shanter, Maypole, etc).

Softcore you are like that for the first 600 turns (except you get 20 "pulls" a day... 20 items or 20,000 meat a day from your stash).  After 600 turns you get all your meat back... all your items back and can trade/mall/flea market your heart out just like before.  Softcore is much, much easier.  Your pulls can include anything you have... if you are tough enough to wear it... you can.

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My typical softcore "pulls":

(3) Mr. A
(3) Chow meins of whatever type I need
(1) Wax Lips
(1) Black Lotus... this is a Gift Shop item that costs 100k meat... however it has an autosell of 50k... I lose 50k meat every single time I use one... but then my softcore guy has 50k in meat to use on his first day... if speed isn't an issue, NEVER do this step.  On my slow runs, I skip it myself.
(4) TPS drinks... but of course you have to have 4 tiny plastic swords

I usually wind up pull whichever Ore the trapper asks me for as well.  I farm the 6 goat cheese.


You DO NOT lose your familiars.  You do lose all of them EXCEPT ONE's weight.  If you have 20 fams with 20lbs of weight on them... you have to pick one and take it.  It stays at 20lbs and all the rest go back to 1lb.  They do not go away.... they just get skinny.

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I'd take a volleyball or sombrero ANY DAY over most any other familiar... unless you have a Chesire Bat or Cymbal Monkey.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on February 17, 2006, 03:24:31 PM
Quote from: "Poncho the Sane"
Jeff... I'd go with the 5lbs of volleyball... but in the valley it's really too close to call.  

When you get to the castle or the hole in the sky... a sombrero with +5 monster is WAY BETTER

What does this all mean?  I have a volleyball.  I know that part.  What's the rest?  What's a +5 monster?  I'll look into getting a sombrero next time I play...


Thanks for the help, Poncho.  It makes more sense.  Mostly.  I just need to play more.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on February 17, 2006, 03:34:06 PM
Dan, what's your screen name?  I can try and farm for a sombrero for you.  NOra Charles is just biding her time building her familiars up to get the heavy load trophy.  send her a kmail and she'll work on your sombrero
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on February 17, 2006, 03:53:50 PM
The sombrero's a bitch just 'cause of the poultry drops.

Anywho, I just went with the +5 monster weight, and that got me to level 10 (and I managed to grab all 4 imm.'s and the s.o.c.k in under 30 advs to get me into the castle in 5 days or less for the first time!) and a bit beyond.  I switched over to my sombrero with maracas, leash and sympathy, so that'll do me some good.

Here's a fun question...should I ascend with the sombrero and switch to the volleyball and level it or ascend with the volleyball and switch to the sombrero for use and leveling once I get past the chasm?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on February 17, 2006, 05:40:54 PM
Quote from: "Juliana"
Dan, what's your screen name?  I can try and farm for a sombrero for you.  Nora Charles is just biding her time building her familiars up to get the heavy load trophy.  send her a kmail and she'll work on your sombrero

I'm mistergugi in KOL.  Shocking, I know.  

Thanks for farming for me.  I don't even know what's required of it, but it sounds spiffy.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on February 19, 2006, 12:49:32 PM
What items/skills can you take into Hardcore runs? Are they available for both regular Hardcore and HCO runs/
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on February 19, 2006, 02:28:24 PM
Quote from: "Ella Minnow Pea"
What items/skills can you take into Hardcore runs? Are they available for both regular Hardcore and HCO runs/


First of all, oxy has no influence on what skills you can take over.  Oxy is only limiting food/booze intake.

Your first hardcore, you're completely on your own.  No skills other than Snowcone Summoning if you have it since it was an HC Permanent skill from the get-go.  The only skills you have access to are the ones available to whatever class you are.

Further hardcore runs, you get access to any Hardcore Permanent skills, meaning whatever skills you took permanent on your previous Hardcore runs.

Now, you don't take any items into Hardcore, HOWEVER, you sort of do.  If you just finished an HC run and are going into another one, when you go to the toot oriole, you can get special items, depending on what class you were.  For example, I just finished a Hardcore, No Path Seal Clubber run.  And I got the Stainless Steel Shillelegh (or however the hell you spell it) out of it.  All HC runs except oxy yield Stainless Steel items.  Oxy runs yield Plexiglass items. They are very awesome, but non-tradeable and non-sellable.

Also, you get that Pork Elf Goodie bag that will be full of gems.  If you are not a myst sign- auto sell them.  If you are a myst sign, you can make some very useful jewelry out of them- my favorite two being the hamethyst necklace (which gives +3 PvP fights a day, yay) and the baconstone bracelet (which  gives -1 MP per skill use).  Shinies are your friends!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: redbobsled on February 19, 2006, 07:42:38 PM
What about for those of us stuck way back in the beginning, and who only play once every couple of weeks?  Where do I find what I need to venture into the bat cave?  Is there something I should be doing other than going on adventures to eventually gain moxie/magicality/muscle points?

(Like I need something else to use for procrastination), but so far, I find KOL just minorly amusing, but not at all absorbing.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on February 19, 2006, 07:57:59 PM
Yeah, food and booze will up your stat points.  Fighting major battles will give you significant stat increase as well.

For the bat cave, you need stench resistance (pine fresh air freshener acquired in the entrance or you could just wear an asshat) to get into the Guano Junction, then 3 sonars-in-a-biscuit from adventuring there, which you would use from your inventory page to open up the remaining chambers, so you can get to the boss to kill him.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on February 19, 2006, 09:23:44 PM
rbs - someone could send you the familiar that increases stats so as to help you defeat the bat quicker.  In fact, I think I can do it.  What's your character's name?  I'll send it to you as soon as I sober up.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on February 20, 2006, 01:49:09 AM
Quote from: "redbobsled"
I find KOL just minorly amusing, but not at all absorbing.

I'm seriously flabberghasted
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on February 20, 2006, 07:47:40 AM
Wow... I go away for the weekend and there are many questions.  Thanks to Lauren for covering some.  

LMNOP... what she says is true.  That's even about as wordy as I would have been.

Dan... 5lbs of volleyball means something that add 5lbs of weight to your familiar.  I'm sure you've seen that your familiars grow from 1lb to 20lbs all by themselves when you use them.  (Sidebar: I've posted the cheatsheet for how many turns it takes to get them to each weight at the end of this post).  They stop growing at 20lbs.  HOWEVER, you can add items to help them grow.  For the volleyball specifically... you add a "Palm Frond Toupee" and it adds 5lbs.  You can add 3 Tiny Plastic items (most any three will do... as 90% of them add 1lb) as accessories.  You can get the 3 skills I listed above (empathy, sympathy and leash of linguini) which each add 5lbs each (sympathy is permanent! the others are for a set number of turns).  If you bought a Tome for snowcones... or buy them in the mall... you can add green snowcones for 5lbs more.

That means that if you had all of them your volleyball would be 48lbs (20 + 5 + 3 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 5).  What does that mean?  Well it means that means that every monster you beat is giving you a BUTTLOAD more stats than if you fought them without a familiar at all.  The same principle works with any familiar (Leprechans help meat drops, others fight for you, etc) because added weight gives them more strength.

What does + monster mean?  Well it's the same basic principle... except in the other direction.  You add + to monster levels by wearing different equipment.  It makes the monsters harder to fight... thus increasing the reward in stats.  The Canadian Mind Control device does this... as do things like Rings of Aggravate Monster.  The point is that if you can only go so far (let's say you're too weak to beat the Yeti's on the mountain BUT you're too tough to keep fighting the Ninja Snowmen) then you can boost the weaker monsters so if you have to waste your time fighthing them... they at least are tougher and give you more stats.  This will often happen in Hardcore... you are too tough for one area, but another either hasn't opened up yet or is too tough for you.  You have to figure out a way to keep fighting for profit.  This is the way.

You can combine both things too... you can boost your familiar with the above techniques minus the 3 tiny plastic items... so you've boosted your volleyball to 45lbs (tp's are 1 each... so you lost those 3lbs) AND you add 3 rings of aggravate monsters and switch the Canadian Mind Control Device up to 11.

I don't have the exact stats (which would depend on the monster anyway) but for the sake of conversation... just assume a monster is giving you 20 stat points for killing it.  It's now (with both items combined) a heck of a lot harder to kill... but it's giving you like 40 stat points each time you do.  This means you fight half as many for the same stats.  Again... just a fake example with fake numbers.


Jeff... I'd stick with the volleyball if it's got a lot of kills on it.  The sombrero loses to the vb.. UNTIL you reach the castle.  90% of your game is pre-castle.  I'm sure you've read the "Way of the Sombrero" thread on our site.  It lists the pros/cons.  I'm sticking with the volleyball myself on all my chars but Poncho (who sticks with the bitten).  If that tells you anything? I'm practicing what I preach.

RBS... eat/drink the best your can.  Fighting monsters will help, but you really needs some familiars.  In game, my name is Poncho the Sane... so send me a kmail and I can send you whatever you need.  I can probably tell from a quick check of your char some things that might help.



Fam lbs/Kills req'd

1/0
2/4
3/9
4/16
5/25
6/36
7/49
8/64
9/81
10/100
11/121
12/144
13/169
14/196
15/225
16/256
17/289
18/324
19/361
20/400
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on February 21, 2006, 09:39:44 AM
do 31337 scrolls go into your storage after you ascend?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on February 21, 2006, 10:07:41 AM
You know... I don't know FOR SURE... but I'm 90% they disappear.

You know that if you use them after you've used one you'll get a bunch of worthless trinkets (for trading).
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Action Jim on February 21, 2006, 10:35:06 AM
Yeah, I think they disappear but I think they can be untinkered (like the meatcar).  Or you can stick them in your mall store.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on February 21, 2006, 10:58:10 AM
Yes, I know that they don't give you stats and *ahem* backdoor access, but I figured that I'd get 3-5 worthless trinkets for trade out of 1 item.  I was asking for my softcore run character, so it seemed like it would be a good deal. Stupid quest items not going through.  Ditto that for the unused gourd potions I still have too.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on February 21, 2006, 02:36:20 PM
Question of the Day: KoL edition - Will Bashy do it?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on February 21, 2006, 04:43:06 PM
Quote from: "Jeff"
Question of the Day: KoL edition - Will Bashy do it?


Sars am thinking... Bashy am going to try his best, and he am going to work with all the tools at him's disposal, including information garnered from being in /dev.

In conclusion, it would be much more impressive for someone NOT in development to accomplish this.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on February 21, 2006, 05:08:41 PM
Bleh...it's still kinda cool.

I hate reading anything he writes unless I'm in a terribly whimsical mood (read: rarely).
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on February 21, 2006, 06:38:24 PM
Yeah and right now it's down to him and Almighty Tallest to do this.  Wilder and the others are all adventured out or know it's out of their bounds.  I'd have liked to seen Wilder make it, too... but he got stuck in the airship for over 70 turns.  >.<
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on February 21, 2006, 06:45:31 PM
What are you talking about?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on February 21, 2006, 07:49:30 PM
Quote from: "Juliana"
What are you talking about?


This: http://forums.kingdomofloathing.com/viewtopic.php?t=53672&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60

Scroll down a bit for bashy's post.

Basically, the conditions are prime for a one-day ascension. Softcore, of course.  And Bashy and some others are trying for it.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on February 21, 2006, 10:16:55 PM
Okay, sooooo, Bashy am loser.  Listening to /hardcore while the thing was going down was torture.  I regret it completely.

He got REALLY close.  Made it all the way to the NS, one turn left, got killed halfway through her second form.

Almighty Tallest got pretty close, too.  Made it to the tower, but got effed in the A by the NG.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on February 21, 2006, 11:30:54 PM
Thanks for the update. I read "some" of that gigantic and messy thread, and got frustrated.  I was going to ask how it went, but you beat me to it.  So the 1 day ascension will likely never happen, eh?  That's cool...at least someone got close.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on February 22, 2006, 04:08:01 PM
I don't fault the man for trying... but like Sars... it's not very impressive for me.

Wilder... LOVE the guy... wish he would've done it.

Bashy accomplishing that is (to me) sort of like someone in Bill Gate's think-tank winning a worldwide Windows-based programming contest.  

Wow.that.would.be.hard.right?

Sure the person would have to be smart.  Sure they'd have to be dedicated.  Sure they'd have to be good.  HOWEVER... didn't they have about 1000x as many tools at hand?  Sure there are hackers and geniuses out there that know a lot too... but isn't the bottom line that the inside track is always the inside track?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Rafe on February 22, 2006, 04:41:41 PM
1 day ascension? Bloody hell. Some of those people really take the thing totally and utterly fucking seriously! They must know the workings of KoL inside out.  

Personally, I spend too much time hovering wreckelessly close to the Orc Chasm to be remotely in with a chance of speed ascending.




Ok, I'll get my coat...
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on February 22, 2006, 09:54:02 PM
Quote from: "Poncho the Sane"
Bashy accomplishing that is (to me) sort of like someone in Bill Gate's think-tank winning a worldwide Windows-based programming contest.

So, uh, you're implying that Bashy is a programmer who works on the site?  Sorry, but I don't know Wilder, Bashy, or for that matter, ANYONE other than Jick.  And you guys.  

I didn't know that him doing it was unimpressive.  Either way, it didn't happen, right?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on February 23, 2006, 10:43:51 AM
No, it didn't happen.

Bashy doesn't work for Jick, but he is on the /dev team (basically beta-testers and folks who watch out for bugs/problems).  There are several of them.

Rafe... it's insane and you have to have ALL your ducks in a row.  The absolute closest I've come... trying my absolute hardest and giving it everything I have... is 2 days 380 turns.

That is normal, softcore ascension... no path.  That's nearly 80 turns off the leaderboard...so that's pretty much unimpressive.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on February 23, 2006, 04:57:39 PM
Well yeah, but you didn't have hockey sticks, did you, Poncho?  But that's an entirely different can of worms that I shouldn't even think about opening.

In other words, shit, dude, that's impressive to me.  But then look at my best ascending time.  A 36 day HCO run on Sars.  And I think an 18 day softcore on Fernie.  But I tend to not adventure Fernie every day due to time constraints.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on February 23, 2006, 05:28:36 PM
Not to open a can of worms that no one likes (I'm guessing?), but what's the deal with hockey sticks?  They aren't even listed in the spoiler page that I use...
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on February 23, 2006, 05:41:42 PM
Another question.  I have 2 Bowls of Fruit and 2 Fruit Baskets.  What are these for, other than to make me fruity?

Admittedly, I haven't eaten them.  Maybe I should?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on February 23, 2006, 05:45:36 PM
Quote from: "Dan"
Not to open a can of worms that no one likes (I'm guessing?), but what's the deal with hockey sticks?  They aren't even listed in the spoiler page that I use...


Hockey Sticks of Furious Rage or something like that.  They're an ultra-rare item.  I forget what they do as I've never had one in my possession and never really taken note of it.


As for the fruit bowl/basket, you use them and they yield random fruit.

The bowl you get from adventuring with a clover in the hippie area.  The basket comes from adventuring with a clover in the hippie area with the hippie outfit on.

Kind of the same as the Frat boys and the handful of drink tickets versus the roll.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on February 23, 2006, 06:40:21 PM
Only it's all fruit you can buy at the hippie store, right?
I think I got an olive in my basket, which might not be at the store, but even so, they're relatively plentiful over at the palindrome.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Action Jim on February 23, 2006, 08:10:16 PM
Quote from: "Sarcastica"


Hockey Sticks of Furious Rage or something like that.  They're an ultra-rare item.  I forget what they do as I've never had one in my possession and never really taken note of it.


I've never had one, either (though I do have a spooky hockey mask), but I checked it out on ye olde Wiki (http://thekolwiki.net/wiki/Hockey_stick_of_furious_angry_rage) during the O-DAMN hullaballoo.  Plus freakin' 30 to monster level, so with three of them, that's +90, so you're going to be getting enormous stats (esp. with a hot-rodded sombrero).  Pretty rare, though--cheapest one in the mall is 487 million meat.  Some of the Ice equipment they were using also gave a boost to monster level.  

Anyway, I was sort of ho-hum on the whole thing.  Notwithstanding Bashy's supposed insider knowledge, they were using three ultra rares apiece (any one of which is de facto unobtainable by even the most dedicated player), plus they spent $30 apiece (Bashy spent $40, buying a Mr. A late in his run to avoid pulling one).  The whole thing smacked of elitist "Hey, look at me-ism."  And all they managed to prove is that someone with literally unlimited resources inside the game, and 30-40 dollars to blow outside of it, has a very, very slim chance at a a one-day ascension, theoretically.  Meh. Even if they'd pulled it off, it would have been only slightly more impressive than, if, say, Jick had done it.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on February 23, 2006, 09:42:45 PM
I finally pulled off a 5-day run!  Wooo me!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: clemsonfan on February 24, 2006, 01:39:48 PM
What can you do with:

rat whiskers
salamander spleen
squashed frogs
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on February 24, 2006, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: "Juliana"
Only it's all fruit you can buy at the hippie store, right?
I think I got an olive in my basket, which might not be at the store, but even so, they're relatively plentiful over at the palindrome.


I think you can also get papayas from the baskets/bowls.  That's a huge deal because otherwise you can only get those from 668 scrolls (risky) and the Palindrome which as you know is a pain to get to if the pirates are being stingy with the snakehead charms.


Check this out, l.diddy. Someone asked Jick on his radio show last night how many Hockey Sticks are actually in the kingdom.  THIRTY-THREE.  Wow, eh?  Looks like NO pretty much owns them all.  N00bs find 'em, sell 'em so they can get some meat, and the only folks who can really afford to buy them are swimming in bugmeat like Scrooge McDuck.  Also, well put rant about the whole 1-day ascension thing.  That's pretty much the non-Bashy-fanboy assessment.


Congrats on the 5-day, Jeff!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on February 24, 2006, 01:50:55 PM
Quote from: "clemsonfan"
What can you do with:

rat whiskers
salamander spleen
squashed frogs


Rat whiskers- sell to the pretentious artist for his paintbrushes.

I dunno about the other two, though.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Action Jim on February 24, 2006, 01:59:59 PM
Yeah, I was excited about the other two, since I think you said they were cooking ingredients.  As far as I can tell, they basically have no use (they're not cooking ingredients, and I tried combining them with a few random things in inventory, but to no avail).
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Atzend on February 25, 2006, 03:05:28 PM
I got some poutine in Little Canadia and have no idea what it's for.  Any suggestions?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: clemsonfan on February 25, 2006, 03:45:26 PM
It's for eating.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Atzend on February 25, 2006, 04:40:15 PM
Can I cook it with anything else?  Guess I should have clarified.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Action Jim on February 25, 2006, 04:57:07 PM
Stuff you can cook with will say "(Cooking ingredient)" in the item description.  Cocktailcrafting and meatshithing ingredients also say that they can be used that way.  Poutine is just food.  That doesn't mean you couldn't combine it with something.  Plenty of things are combinable with meat paste.  Except for, you know, poutine*.  You can pretty much just eat that.  And even that I wouldn't recommend, if you have some better food available.

*Unless I'm totally in the dark.  I'm pretty sure you can't do a damn thing with it.  If only I had some poutine, and weren't oxycore.  Or if the wiki weren't down.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on February 25, 2006, 07:23:03 PM
Quote from: "l.diddy"
I've never had one, either (though I do have a spooky hockey mask)

Hmmm, I have a spooky hockey mask, too.  I just looked them up in the Mall and the cheapest is going for 190,000 meat, which is just incredible to me.  I know that's the not THAT expensive of an item, but it's by far the most expensive item that I've ever gotten.  

What's the deal with them?  Anyone know?  
And while we're at it - what did I do to get one? I don't even remember getting it.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on February 25, 2006, 10:11:32 PM
Another question:  Does anyone know the deal with the length that a bartender-in-the-box/chef-in-the-box will last? Mine keep exploding.  Is there a formula for this?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on February 25, 2006, 10:35:03 PM
Quote from: "Dan"
Another question:  Does anyone know the deal with the length that a bartender-in-the-box/chef-in-the-box will last? Mine keep exploding.  Is there a formula for this?

Yes, there is. They will explode after either 80 or 100 uses. If I remember correctly, if you hit 80 exactly, it will last to 100. If you are cooking/cocktailing multiple items and surpass 80, it explodes.

Mine never seem to explode when I want them to when I'm preparing for ascension.

Oh, and for your spooky hockey mask, there's a theory that it's based on a special counter and if you adventure in the correct area when your counter reaches the random value set for you, you get the hockey mask.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on February 26, 2006, 02:58:29 AM
The SHM drops when you rest.  It's a dream about a Freddy Kreuger kinda guy, and for some reason you wake up with Jason's mask.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on February 26, 2006, 02:34:49 PM
Quote from: "Ella Minnow Pea"
Oh, and for your spooky hockey mask, there's a theory that it's based on a special counter and if you adventure in the correct area when your counter reaches the random value set for you, you get the hockey mask.


Yeah that's the theory for all the ultra-rares, which, sadly, makes them pretty much unfarmable unless you happen to figure out the pattern to the "random value."

Oh, and yeah, like Jeff said SHM = resting.  Hypnodisk... I forget- the friars???  Baio = spooky forest.  Hockey sticks = Camp Logging Camp in Canadia.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on February 26, 2006, 02:39:51 PM
4-day ascension.  w00t.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on February 26, 2006, 02:42:02 PM
Quote from: "Jeff"
4-day ascension.  w00t.


Congrats!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on February 26, 2006, 03:24:15 PM
Quote from: "Sarcastica"
Yeah that's the theory for all the ultra-rares, which, sadly, makes them pretty much unfarmable unless you happen to figure out the pattern to the "random value."

But that's good, because otherwise they wouldn't be "ultra rares" right?  If you could farm for them then it would be too easy...
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on February 26, 2006, 07:47:06 PM
Yeah, but it doesn't stop people from trying.  Also, you should see what ultra-rares go for on ebay.  It's nuts.  Not to mention stuff like 50 million meat.  Insanity.  Not that I might not try the same thing if I had the meat for it.  Heh.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on February 27, 2006, 08:07:43 AM
The bartenders/chefs are completely random... 80-110 uses for the non-clockwork variety.  People have all sorts of ideas on indicators... but there is none.

I blew up almost 150 of each one day to test it.  The absolute most I had was 108 (which lends itself to the 110 cap theory) and I only went over 100 about 5 times.  Most of mine blew up in the 85-90 range.  I have all the raw data somewhere, but I'd count on 80 and thank Jeebus when you get 110.

Some people think that if they use it in smaller doses, they get more.  They don't.  If you hit a certain number, you'll get ____.  They don't.  It's random.  The items that come out of an explosion are set... but which ones and how many are random.  The only part I never got back in all those explosions?  A smart skull.  It was always a broken skull.  I've had people tell they have, but it must be extremely rare if I didn't get one in 300 explosions.  I think they must have just had one in their inventory to start with and didn't realize it.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on March 21, 2006, 12:27:20 AM
Where are the best places to raise your stats - in particular, when you are level 9-10?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on March 21, 2006, 08:12:02 AM
You are asking the question that all the serious gamers ask.  Although they're usually stuck from late 7-9.

Once you hit 10, get you butt up in the sky.  Buff as needed, but get your butt in the sky... no question.

I like the 3rd level of the menagerie myself for those down times.  Straps on that Volleyball-type fam, the wax lips, add leash, empathy and antiphon... hit them with double ice-sickles (you may not have two of them or one... but just hit them) and I get good returns and a little booze.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: viZion on March 21, 2006, 01:41:49 PM
For level 7 and below you should be trying to level in the deepest Menagerie level you can handle or get into based on your stats. For levels 8 and 9 you should try to complete the quests ASAP and then hit the Icy Peak. The weakest part of KoL's gameplay is that there is so much time spent doing nothing but leveling up. It reminds of old Nintendo games like Dragon Warrior.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on March 21, 2006, 02:50:17 PM
/em waves at viZion

And omg that is SO like stupid Dragon Warrier!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: seldon on March 21, 2006, 03:49:01 PM
sandry mentioned that the gap from 7-9 and the levelling therin was a big gripe among the dev team and a focus for change.  Im betting the "grind" will get better in the future.  but what vizion said about grinding.  also, if you have extra money from the yetis you can donate it to the hall of legends at this level.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on March 21, 2006, 09:10:59 PM
Deodorant sells for around 9000 to 10000 in the mall?  Why?  What is it useful for that drives the prices up so much?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on March 21, 2006, 09:12:06 PM
Same as ring of conflict, Dan.  It increases the chances of non-combat adventures.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on March 21, 2006, 10:34:36 PM
Sorry if I'm stupid.  Ummm...those non-combat adventures are that valuable?  Where is the best place to go for them?  I thought combat was good b/c it adds stats as well as item drops.  Where/when/what is it better to not fight?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on March 21, 2006, 11:07:03 PM
Haha n00b.  Nah, Dan, non combats are the adventures where you choose whatever to get the stuffed shoulder parrot, or the miner's helmet, or whatever.  And in the Castle in the Sky, it's the wheel or the stat adventure.  So you see, they are very crucial.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: clemsonfan on March 22, 2006, 08:08:24 AM
Ok, so one of my multis is a level 6 Turtle Tamer. The Degrassi Knoll hasn't shown up yet in the plains. Usually I have the meatcar quest but the council hasn't given me that yet. Any clue on what's going on?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on March 22, 2006, 08:48:30 AM
Yes... they changed that bit.

You have to go to your guild for those quests now.  

Right Side of the Tracks ---> Brotherhood of the Smackdown
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Atzend on March 27, 2006, 09:55:33 PM
What does everyone collect?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on March 27, 2006, 10:39:23 PM
Sars- disease
Fernie- Potted Fern
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on March 27, 2006, 10:57:05 PM
"Collections" means you'll like me more if I send you some diseases?  ;)
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on March 27, 2006, 11:22:53 PM
When should I switch from the Volleyball to the Hovering Sombrero?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2006, 12:37:22 AM
I saw somewhere that said around the Icy Peak...whenever you get there. I have no idea on the reliability of this source.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on March 28, 2006, 08:59:58 AM
Icy Peak is pretty good info.  Basically, the easiest rule of thumb... if you have to have more than 110 moxie to survive... use the sombrero.  That's no where near exact, but a good guide.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on April 06, 2006, 04:07:47 PM
I bought a Tome of Hilarious Summoning and now have that as a skill.  If/When I ascend, what will happen with this?  Do I lose it?  That'd be a waste of my Mr. A, I'd think.  I wanted to hold on to my Pastamastery skill (I read somewhere you get to keep one skill.  Is this right?) rather than the Hilarious Summoning.  What do all yall suggest?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on April 06, 2006, 05:25:32 PM
It was probably a waste of a Mr. A no matter what... the items seem pretty useless.  It's a hardcore permanent skill from the get-go.  No worries about losing it when you ascend, it's there to stay... FOREVARRR!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on April 06, 2006, 05:47:18 PM
I'm not worried about the waste of a Mr. A.  It happens.  In the end, the Tome does provide me with some chuckles, which is the whole point of the game.  But since it's there FOREVARRR then I think I'm okay.  Maybe I'll start a collection with the summonables or something.

Which begs the next question:

How do I start a collection?  What do I need to have/know?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on April 06, 2006, 05:51:56 PM
Do not collect fake fake vomit because I'm collecting those.

Collections--- buy a display case and start filling it full of crap.  It's easy.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on April 06, 2006, 07:29:29 PM
What should I collect?  Wanna swap collectibles?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on April 06, 2006, 08:25:51 PM
Rockin.  I put in some whoopie cushions and an exploding chewing gum.  I don't know/care what I collect, I just like that it gives me something to watch out for.  I can send you my fake fake vomit for whoopie cushions or whatnot.

Also...I've got all the Tiny Plastics except the four rares.  I see that they cost a solid 5 million meat or so, each, which means to me that they are genuinely rare.  Do you glitch finders have any ways around this?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on April 06, 2006, 08:45:04 PM
Sars collects disease and fake fake vomit.

Fernie collects potted ferns and items that start with the letter G.

And check this amazing database out: http://www.epeterso2.com/collections/

I suggest just to collect whatever item you really like, something you think is funny... whatever.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on April 07, 2006, 09:58:16 AM
Yeah, I collect mariachi pants, just 'cause back in the day, me and my friend Buschle would periodically yell "Mariachi!" for no reason whatsoever.  They're useless and stupid, but I have hundreds of 'em.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: clemsonfan on April 07, 2006, 10:00:47 AM
Agprice collects chopsticks.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on April 07, 2006, 10:39:44 AM
Poncho is #1 in filthy hippy ponchos!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2006, 11:32:53 AM
Fun.  Thanks to Sars, I'm #1 in Whoopie Cushions.  Rockin!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on April 07, 2006, 11:42:45 AM
Quote from: "Poncho the Sane"
Poncho is #1 in filthy hippy ponchos!


Remember that time I sent you a package and you were all, "I'm in HCO, I'll open it next year?"  Well... guess what's in it!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2006, 11:43:27 AM
Quote from: "clemsonfan"
Agprice collects chopsticks.

You're not in the database.  Actually, you are.  It says your case is empty.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on April 07, 2006, 11:43:57 AM
Quote from: "Dan"
Fun.  Thanks to Sars, I'm #1 in Whoopie Cushions.  Rockin!


Dude, I only gave you three of them.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2006, 11:46:19 AM
Well, I'm in the lead 8.  :) :)
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2006, 11:49:34 AM
Oh yeah...what's with the "donate meat to the museum"?  Do I need to do that?  What are the benefits of doing so?  Should I?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: clemsonfan on April 07, 2006, 11:59:11 AM
Quote from: "Dan"
Quote from: "clemsonfan"
Agprice collects chopsticks.

You're not in the database.  Actually, you are.  It says your case is empty.


Yeah, I need to put my chopsticks in there.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on April 07, 2006, 01:32:19 PM
Don't bother donating... it's a meat sink.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on April 07, 2006, 01:33:07 PM
Quote from: "Dan"
Oh yeah...what's with the "donate meat to the museum"?  Do I need to do that?  What are the benefits of doing so?  Should I?


That, dear sir, is called a "meat sink."  Don't do it.  In fact, the entire concept of the display case is a meat sink, really.



Curses to Poncho, who r winar!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on April 07, 2006, 01:46:37 PM
Nora Charles doesn't collect anything.  She's got tons-o-junk in her case, but nothing specials.

Soooo, Nora is almost rich enough to afford a Mr. A, so she is wicked excited, except sad about being totally poor again.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on April 08, 2006, 09:42:10 AM
so I got 2 questions.

1) Shouldn't we be putting some more money in the Gypsy bastards clan stash?  My understanding is that the meat tree gives you 1% of the meat in your clan stash a day, up to 500 meat total.  Is this correct?  And if so, doesn't that mean we should get the stash up to 50000 meat to get the max per day?

2) How exactly do familiars grow?  I knwo they get experience per fight, but is it a straight amount per fight, or does it depend on the monster level?  I'm grinding some on Skeve to get the 300 trophy, and was just wondering if I could grind lower level areas for stuff to sell without making it take more time to get the familiars up to full weight (cause I'm cheap and don't want to waste meat using the arena).
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on April 08, 2006, 10:29:43 AM
1) um, i dunno, i guess
2) um...... poncho???
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on April 08, 2006, 02:05:07 PM
Quote from: "dirk"
2) How exactly do familiars grow?  I knwo they get experience per fight, but is it a straight amount per fight, or does it depend on the monster level?  I'm grinding some on Skeve to get the 300 trophy, and was just wondering if I could grind lower level areas for stuff to sell without making it take more time to get the familiars up to full weight (cause I'm cheap and don't want to waste meat using the arena).


I'm pretty sure that familiars grow at a rate of "kills."  If you're killing the toughest or weakest enemies in the game, it's still the same.  1 kill is 1 kill.  Their levels work on a squared factor: to get to level 3, you need 9 kills b/c 3*3 = 9.  To get to level 20 you need 400 kills b/c 20*20 = 400.

In the cake shaped arena (even tho you don't want to use it), the experience you get per victory (say...3 experience) simply translates into kills (3 experience = 3 kills).  

To grow my familiars to get to the 500 level, I'm using this tool (that someone put on the woxy boards):
http://www.few.vu.nl/~rminne/kol/kolfamiliars.php
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on April 10, 2006, 09:13:42 AM
1. I think you get 500 meat when you have 100k in there... but frankly... I haven't been in a clan that had less than millions of meat in the coffers in so long that I couldn't say.  It does cap at 500.  Dump 50k in there.  If your meat doesn't grow by 500 a day, then bump it up to 100k and it should.  If you lack 100k, drop me a line and I'll make sure you get it pronto.

2. Fams grow 1 kill (and Dan is right... it's 1 kill = 1 experience).  It's simply the lbs squared.  If you prefer to cut n' paste:

Lb - Kills to get there:
1 - auto
2 - 4
3 - 9
4 - 16
5 - 25
6 - 36
7 - 49
8 - 64
9 - 81
10 - 100
11 - 121
12 - 144
13 - 169
14 - 196
15 - 225
16 - 256
17 - 289
18 - 324
19 - 361
20 - 400

Remember that is your base weight.  Some fam equipment add 3lbs (lead necklace) and some add 5lbs (most fam specific ones... although a few do other things... but most add 5lbs).

SOOOOO... if you wanted the toughest Sabertoothed Lime you could possibly have (for whatever reason you'd want that)... you would:

Sabretoothed Lime with 400+ kills (arena or monster fights... arena is faster b/c you can gain up to 5 per turn instead 1 per turn with monsters... but it costs meat and you have to understand how to play... try http://www.few.vu.nl/~rminne/kol/kolfamiliars.php  or http://www.the-rye.dreamhosters.com/familiars/)
Tiny Shaker of Salt (lime's fam item which adds 5lbs)
Green Snowcone (+5lbs)
Knob Goblin pet-buffing spray (+5lbs but note this drops your power)
Amphibian Sympathy (+5lbs Turtle Tamer skill... can't be buffed onto you)
Empathy of the Newt (+5lbs can be buffed to you)
Leash of Linguini (+5lbs Pastamancer skill... can't be buffed onto you)

20 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 = 50lb familiar

That's tops right now.  You can use some Mr. Store items and they effect drops of items, meat, etc BUT they don't add lbs to your fam.  This is using stuff you can easily buy or skills you can easily gain.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Action Jim on April 10, 2006, 10:49:07 AM
Okay, I did something stupid.  I was putting some of my extra spectral pickles in the mall.  I meant to put 30 in at 50000 meat apiece (which appears to be the going rate).  I accidently put them in at 5000 meat apiece.  They were up for about 10 seconds before I realized what was going on and tried to pull them, but someone already bought them (Dharhan, who I assume is someone's multi or mallbot).  I messaged him, offering to buy them all back from him for 175000 meat (that's a 25K profit for him), but I've gotten no reply.  

So my question is, do I have any recourse, or am I fucked?  (I think I know the answer to this one, sadly).
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on April 11, 2006, 08:55:14 AM
There is no recourse for this.  I don't have a single pickle that I can get to... but I can completely sympathize.  I've done the same thing with different items.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Action Jim on April 11, 2006, 10:10:00 AM
Meh.  No big deal, really.  I wouldn't even have given it a second thought if it had been an easily replaceable item.  No sense cying over spilt pickles.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on April 11, 2006, 10:36:27 AM
Miniscule Temporal Rip.  Selling for 4,700,000 meat.  Forgot a zero.  Woo!  I have 470,000 meat!

I've recovered since then.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Action Jim on April 11, 2006, 11:08:46 AM
Oh, shit!  That cost you a Mr. A, right?  Okay, I'll quit bitching.  At least I'm only out a little over a million meat, and not something that costs ten real dollars.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on April 11, 2006, 11:33:27 AM
You guys are totally kicking my ass apparently.  
I've just now been able to purchase a Mr. A (through the game, not through real money), and it's wiped me out.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on April 11, 2006, 01:12:08 PM
Which char are you playing most Juliana?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on April 11, 2006, 02:35:22 PM
I just looked back on that...the numbers should have been 7,400,000 and 740,000.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on April 12, 2006, 08:46:59 AM
Nora Charles.   Ever since the Vegas trip, I haven't been able to catch up yet on Rosealia or Killa Belle.  Stupid having to work while at work...
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on April 12, 2006, 10:03:34 AM
Check thy kmail.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: seldon on April 12, 2006, 01:17:05 PM
you sending pictures of yourself in a furry suit out again proncho?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on April 12, 2006, 01:22:04 PM
Yep.  they were HOTTTTTTT
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: seldon on April 12, 2006, 01:24:46 PM
dang.  cc me next time kthxbye
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on April 12, 2006, 02:03:43 PM
I R teh secksy!!!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on April 12, 2006, 02:13:52 PM
Quote from: "Poncho the Sane"
I R teh secksy!!!

(http://www.geocities.com/tiger_meep/Furry/KHAN.jpg)

????  Ponch?  Is that you?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on April 12, 2006, 05:47:51 PM
So what's the deal with clan warfare?  Does anyone actually do it?  And what exactly is the point?  Cna you get buffs or something by defeating other clans or something?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on April 13, 2006, 08:25:25 AM
clan warfare... yet ANOTHER meat sink.  It's worthless, you get nothing but broke.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on April 20, 2006, 08:25:04 PM
Quote from: "dirk"
1) Shouldn't we be putting some more money in the Gypsy bastards clan stash?  My understanding is that the meat tree gives you 1% of the meat in your clan stash a day, up to 500 meat total.  Is this correct?  And if so, doesn't that mean we should get the stash up to 50000 meat to get the max per day?

That's what the Wiki says, too. So I contributed enough to get it up to 50,000. Enjoy!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 01, 2006, 05:02:54 PM
I'm now adventuring in the Thugnderdome, trying to get some items to use at the Supertinkerers.  Any tips, clues, etc?  I'm finding that they don't drop much, and when they do it's usually something I could get at the DeGrassi Knoll.  

Plus, what is the most important/useful stuff to get at the supertinkerers?  I want to get a clockwork meatmaid, but after that I'm not sure what to do...
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on May 01, 2006, 06:06:43 PM
The clockwork suit isn't that great, but if your a collector, you can make that.
There are 2 familiars you can make (the clockwork grapefruit and the micromecha).
I actually kept a few extra heads to make clockwork meatmaids in the future, since 8 adventures is nothing to sneeze at!

As far as getting them to drop, I think the key is persistence.  I just grabbed my baby gravy fairy and kep going there until I had my 10 clockwork keys for the trophy (it took 2 weeks I think).  Other than that, there isn't any tricks that I know of...
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on May 01, 2006, 06:14:36 PM
Well here's an interesting one.  I was in the stash, and noticed some disassembled clovers.  I was going to take a couple out (since I'm making lucky surprise eggs out the wazzoo) and was told I couldn't.  Apparently, they are 0 karma items, and you can't take zero karma items out of the stash (at least I can't).  So is there any way to get them out at all?  Or is this just a bug and their gone?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on May 01, 2006, 08:21:56 PM
I was able to get them out, maybe it something with how Fern has you set up in clan. I'd be glad to send you some, though. dirkle, right?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on May 02, 2006, 07:28:43 AM
The key is using ALL of your boosting tools.  Seriously... ALL of them.  The drop rates on clockwork items are hideous.  Embarassingly so.

Miner's Helmet
Duck on a string (two if you have dual-weilding)
Baby Gravy Fairy (full grown)
Eye-pod or Mini Gravy-Covered Maypole if you have it
3 Mr A Jr's or 3 Jekyllin Hide Belts if you have them

Sympathy (self only)
Empathy (can be bought)
Leash of Linguini (self only)
mad looting skillz (self only)
powers of observatiogn (self only)
phat loot lyric (can be bought)


With all of that... you'll notice an insanely large increase in drops.  Still way less than most areas, but drastically higher than going in randomly.

If you need help acquiring any of those items or skills... just ask.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on May 02, 2006, 07:32:18 AM
Quote from: "Dan"
Quote from: "Poncho the Sane"
I R teh secksy!!!

(http://www.geocities.com/tiger_meep/Furry/KHAN.jpg)

????  Ponch?  Is that you?



Somehow I missed this... but are you spying on me?  How did you take this picture of me?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 02, 2006, 01:17:45 PM
Quote from: "Poncho the Sane"
If you need help acquiring any of those items or skills... just ask.

Heh...yeah, actually, I don't know what most of those are.  Here's my deal:  I ascended for the first time and so now I'm a lvl 7 Disco Bandit.  I didn't keep leash of linguini, so I don't think I can use it, right?  I have some pet buffing spray and a baby gravy fairy with an eye-pod.  I have a Miner's Helmet.  I have a duck on a string, but not dual weilding.  I don't have 3 Mr. A Jr's or have even heard of the Jekyllin Hide Belts.  I DO have a Baron Von Ratsworth's Monocle equipped, and that seems to be helping.  
So I guess I'm just asking...what are these below...and where do I get them?
Quote from: "Poncho the Sane"
Sympathy (self only)
Empathy (can be bought)
mad looting skillz (self only)
powers of observatiogn (self only)
phat loot lyric (can be bought)


edit:  oooh, I just went up to level 8 and got the Mad Looting Skillz.  WOot.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 02, 2006, 01:19:13 PM
Quote from: "Poncho the Sane"
Somehow I missed this... but are you spying on me?  How did you take this picture of me?

Dude, that's been posted for weeks, and you're just noticing it now.  With those kinds of observation skillz, do you really think you're going to notice when I'm spying on you?
 ;)
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on May 02, 2006, 02:39:14 PM
Ascending for the first time, you obviously won't have those skills.

I can buff you with all the phat loot and empathy you want.  That's no problem.  Just send WOXY a message telling me which character.

I have several Juniors and 2 jekyllin belts... problem is that I use them daily... BUT I'd gladly loan them to you for a couple of days, so you can see how they work.

If you need help planning your next ascensions... try this post of mine of on ip...

http://www.iocainepowder.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2897
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2006, 12:29:54 AM
Quote from: "Poncho the Sane"
I can buff you with all the phat loot and empathy you want.  That's no problem.  Just send WOXY a message telling me which character.

Message sent...THANKS!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on May 03, 2006, 01:25:07 PM
buffed
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2006, 05:19:27 PM
Again...Thanks!  With your buffs, plus with the Mr A Jr that I went and bought it really seemed to make a difference.  I'll go ahead and use up most of those buffs in the dome before doing anything else.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on May 05, 2006, 12:35:51 PM
So, anyone have any theories (or inside knowledge) of what's up with the cannon?  It's been under construction for a couple days now, and it looks like it may be finished tonight.  I have heard lots fo theories about the penguin mafia returning (I really hope they leave the Knott Yetis alone and don't look for revenge if that's true).  anyone know anything?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on May 05, 2006, 01:47:57 PM
No word... everyone with any insider knowledge is being really quiet.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 05, 2006, 01:50:32 PM
For us newbies...what's the backstory on the cannon?  I don't know anything about it, really.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on May 05, 2006, 03:35:38 PM
Black Sunday aka the day the meat vortex bug was discovered (if you use a meat vortex is sucks some of your meat away... but if you had 0 meat... it sucked you backwards to infinite meat) there were tons of us who had billions many times over.

The economy was jacked beyond belief.  Enter the penguin mafia.  They took over the peak (where you USED to get 1200-1400 meat EASY each turn if you were decked out) and that major source of meat dried up.  They killed off the yeti and starved the rest.  They also took over the skies.  The council deemed the only way to save the kingdom was to build a giant cannon to blow them away.

Major meat sinks (instead of starting everyone back at 0) were:

Mr. Exploiters (1B meat)
Villa Documents aka /villa access (500M meat)
The cannon (a set amount had to be donated by players to build the cannon... top donators are still listed on the right side of the tracks)
The Yeti Habitat (to build a place for a breeding pair of yetis)
The Yeti booze fund (to donate booze to make them drunk enough to breed)
Oatmeal for clan armies (you could build these massive clan armies... something I've never been a part of... but they didn't require any upkeep.... some of the huge clans had billions of soldiers and kept getting bigger... suddenly they needed fed or they'd die... which supposedly drop another huge portion of that bugmeat out of the game... now I THINK it's like 1 meat per soldier per day... so do the math... 1 billion meat a day to keep up an army?? No wonder the armies got small really quick)

If my memory serves me... that took almost 1/4 of the bugmeat out of the system.  

Ultimately, some clans (like IP, Aflub, Warehouse 23, NO, The Rye, etc) drop huge sums into their clan coffers.  IP's coffers are so full of meat that can't be brought back into the game (the coffers are IN only... you can't take meat OUT) that we have no idea how we'll ever use it.  I was told that Aflub's clan coffer has 2 billion meat in it.  Don't know if that's true... but wow.  That puts our 400M to shame.


ETA... I forgot "Time Juice" if people donated enough every player would each get a bottle of time juice good for one adventure.  I think we hit the mark 8x over... for 8 bottles each? or was it 6?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on May 05, 2006, 09:58:16 PM
8 bottles of time juice, Poncho.

My only insider info is from "someone" I know who has /lounge access.  Apparently Xeno was saying he isn't 100% certain what it's about but has a pretty good idea.  And I believe Riff said something similar or maybe just something snarky in reply to that.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on May 06, 2006, 10:24:12 AM
Looks like we're down to a quarter of a cannon...

Damn, I want to know what the hell is going on!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on May 07, 2006, 11:52:24 AM
I'm a trophy whore.  I would like to see Der Toasteib in my trophy case.  I'm terrified of pvp, so I won't be getting it in the most legit way.  How do toastbots work?  What toastbots are there?  Can I hit them in hardcore?  What level should I be?  Who invented the question mark?  Were they paid well for it?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on May 07, 2006, 12:34:50 PM
Quote from: "dirk"
Looks like we're down to a quarter of a cannon...

Damn, I want to know what the hell is going on!


And now we're down to 1/8 of a cannon.  And some of the blockade/ scaffolding/ whatever is gone.


Oh hey- anyone been following the KWE matches?  I picked the winner last week and won 10K meat on Fernie.  I'm hoping the tranny wins this time around because I bet 1337 meat on it and gave it a leotarrrd in hopes it would help it win the fight.  Hehehe.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on May 08, 2006, 07:23:18 AM
Quote from: "Jeff"
I'm a trophy whore.  I would like to see Der Toasteib in my trophy case.  I'm terrified of pvp, so I won't be getting it in the most legit way.  How do toastbots work?  What toastbots are there?  Can I hit them in hardcore?  What level should I be?  Who invented the question mark?  Were they paid well for it?


I believe there is a character called "Toastbot".

However... if you tell me the day/approx time you'll be doing this breaking... I'll set WOXY up for you to steal toast from him.  Your level/buffs won't matter.  You tell me when and I'll make sure you win... 100%.  Stealing toast will be a 50/50 sure thing (I can't control if you steal something or not... beyond making sure the only food you can steal is toast0
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on May 08, 2006, 08:15:55 AM
Can I be in hardcore when I do this?  I plan on leaving Ralph where he is until I amass a certain amount of meat this time around, and that will probably be awhile.  If so, I suppose I'll just have to lay low and hope I'm mostly ignored by people who would wish to hit me for stats or items.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on May 08, 2006, 10:32:23 AM
You cannot steal items (such a toast) in hc.  You cannot have items stolen from you either.  Just rank and flowers.  If you attack someone and lose... you lose dignity (stats).  If you defend and lose... no harm.

This is not true in softcore.  Anything that is a non-zero karma item can be stolen.  TPS, baio, mr. a's, etc etc can't be stolen.  That certainly doesn't mean you can't lose anything valuable.  Keeping the item out of your inventory by putting it in your closet helps.. but isn't 100%.  Putting it in the clan stash (as long as you trust the people with access to the stash... I mean it's 100% safe from pvp... not someone in your clan swiping it out of your stash) or your display case is 100% safe.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on May 08, 2006, 01:24:06 PM
Ah...it's gonna be a LONG while before I can do it then.  Oh well.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on May 08, 2006, 06:33:11 PM
Quote from: "Jeff"
Ah...it's gonna be a LONG while before I can do it then.  Oh well.


Actually, after you free the king you're sort of softcore, so you can PvP for toast in between runs.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on May 08, 2006, 07:56:25 PM
Yeah, but I'm not freeing the king until I amass a small fortune.  A trophy hunter is me, and all.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 08, 2006, 09:00:53 PM
Quote from: "Jeff"
Yeah, but I'm not freeing the king until I amass a small fortune.  A trophy hunter is me, and all.

Any basic tips on how to amass a small fortune without using any multis?  If it helps, I'm in softcore.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on May 08, 2006, 10:41:53 PM
Quote from: "Dan"
Any basic tips on how to amass a small fortune without using any multis?  If it helps, I'm in softcore.

I racked up a couple hundred thousand adventuring at the icy peak with a 25 pound Leprechaun, the AT Polka of Plenty buff, the Toy train, and Baron Von Ratsworth's money clip. This with a level 11-12 character on its first run.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on May 09, 2006, 12:20:06 AM
Yup...the Icy Peak is the way to go.  When properly equipped and buffed in softcore with things that are relatively reasonable to purchase in the mall, I pull 600-800 meat per adventure, which comes out to roughly 115,000 meat per day if I'm eating reagent dishes and 133,000 meat per day if I'm eating chow meins.  Add in the hippo skin and penguin skin sales to the BHH, and I can add 10,000-60,000 meat on any given day, depending on the pattern.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on May 09, 2006, 07:52:11 AM
The ideal meat farmer

Miner's helmet (for more furs)
Penguin Whip (+3% Meat)
Box-in-the-box-in-the-box (+3% Meat)
Porquoise necklace (+10% Meat)
Tiny Plastic Hermit (+6% Meat)
Toy Train (+10% Meat)

Elemental Saucephere (to reach the peak)
Polka of Plenty (+50% meat)
Expert Panhandling (+10% Meat)
Nimble Fingers (+20% Meat)
Gnefarious Pickpocketing (+10% Meat)

45lb Leprechaun (20lbs + 5lb sympathy + 5lbs empathy + 5lbs leash + 5lbs pet buffing spray + 5lbs green snowcone)
Lucky Tam O'Shanter (10lbs of Lep)

So... it's really 55lbs of Leprechaun


With decent food... that's a cool Million meat in 4 days.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2006, 07:53:13 PM
It's a quest unto itself just to get all that stuff.  Anyone have any Lucky Tam O'Shanter's I can borrow...when the time comes?  And sheesh are green snowcone's expensive...
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2006, 07:59:10 PM
Quote from: "Poncho the Sane"
The ideal meat farmer

Miner's helmet (for more furs)
Penguin Whip (+3% Meat)
Box-in-the-box-in-the-box (+3% Meat)
Porquoise necklace (+10% Meat)
Tiny Plastic Hermit (+6% Meat)
Toy Train (+10% Meat)

Hey wait...you're implying there is a way to get to the icy peak WITHOUT using the eXtreme weather gear...  how do I do this?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: rva on May 09, 2006, 09:28:13 PM
Get someone to cast Elemental Saucesphere on you.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on May 09, 2006, 11:23:48 PM
All you need is cold resist to get to the peak.  There are a few things that give it to you, the most popular being Elemental Saucesphere (since ti give you all resists and can be bought from bots).  there is also the Seal Clubber skill that gives you cold resist, which could be worth keeping if you plan on doing an assload of peak farming for a few assensions I guess.

Also, there is now something being built in the Right Side of the Tracks.  And I think they are just trying to torture me with the damn "32nd of a cannon" crap.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on May 10, 2006, 07:56:08 AM
Dan... you catch me on the right day and I'll buff the bejeezus outta you with elemental.  It has to be when Ducky is out of ronin... but he can blast you with thousands of hits.

I've got a few tams... I could let you borrow one for a couple of days.

You have to spend meat to make meat.  Remember that.  You have to find the break point on green snowcones.  20 turns / the cost, and you need to find the profit by using it.  I think everyone should have a snowcone tome... but that's me.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 10, 2006, 01:35:08 PM
Quote from: "Poncho the Sane"
Dan... you catch me on the right day and I'll buff the bejeezus outta you with elemental.  It has to be when Ducky is out of ronin... but he can blast you with thousands of hits.

Cool.  Take your time...I'm barely able to fight in the Icy Peak as it is right now...but I'm gearing up for it.

Quote
I've got a few tams... I could let you borrow one for a couple of days.

Many thanks...I'll send you a message when I'm ready...much appreciated.

Quote
I think everyone should have a snowcone tome... but that's me.

Yeah, I agree.  Why do you think I'm looking to amass a small fortune?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on May 10, 2006, 01:49:48 PM
Yeah, I wish I would have had the scratch to buy the Tome when it was in the Mr. Store.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 10, 2006, 07:17:13 PM
Big thanks goes out to DuckNutz...whoever you are.  :)
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on May 10, 2006, 08:03:02 PM
Quote from: "Juliana"
Yeah, I wish I would have had the scratch to buy the Tome when it was in the Mr. Store.


Hehehe you got 20 mil meat or however much they're going for now?  I have a spare each on Fernie and Sars.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on May 10, 2006, 10:07:37 PM
I just didn't realize how nice the tome was going to be. I don't get every monthly item, but I should have picked it up. So if another monthly item has the potential to be so useful, can you give us a suggestion? Thanks!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on May 11, 2006, 07:37:04 AM
Sorry Dan... Ducknutz is my SC guy.  I thought you knew that.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on May 11, 2006, 07:39:25 AM
Quote from: "Ella Minnow Pea"
I just didn't realize how nice the tome was going to be. I don't get every monthly item, but I should have picked it up. So if another monthly item has the potential to be so useful, can you give us a suggestion? Thanks!


The hobo this month... is hilarious and great if you have a lot of worthless booze around.  

Just FYI... for those not "market savvy" folks among us... this hobo, if he takes off will bump up the value of all your worthless booze.  It's a great tool... stats like a volleyball, MP restorer like a starfish (but only if you feed him booze)
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on May 11, 2006, 09:57:42 PM
Can someone explain how buffbots work?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on May 12, 2006, 07:55:15 AM
Buffbots will give you buffs that you can't (or can't afford to) give yourself.

NO has a new one.
Otori has a couple ones that have been around a long time.
IP is finally releasing ours to the public.

Let's say you are like Dan... you need Elemental to farm the peak.  You can't cast elemental, because let's say you don't have that skill.  You can buy it from a buffbot and not have to bug someone for it.  The bots (robots) stay online all day.  They have a set price (so no one scams you or makes you haggle for it) and you get a set amount for your meat.

Most rates can be determined by checking their profiles.  Some run at a loss to the owner ("free" where you pay 7 meat for a huge buff that would've cost a lot more) and some run at break-even (150 turns for 137 meat or something) and some are for-profit (usually bulk buffs... 10,000 turns for 100,000 meat or something) but each has their own place.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on May 12, 2006, 08:31:28 AM
I've been using Testudinata for my buffs...very fair prices and a great range of buffs.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on May 12, 2006, 11:54:32 AM
Yep, I use Testudinata too.
I'm a cheapskate though, and just do the free buffs.
Once in awhile I'll actually buy something, but like I said, cheapskate.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on May 12, 2006, 12:36:09 PM
When I decide to kick around building up some funds, I go all out.  I buy the 6000 turn shot and use every last one of 'em.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 12, 2006, 02:03:32 PM
So how do I go about using one of these?  Where do I access them?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on May 12, 2006, 02:20:22 PM
If you check Testudinata's profile, there is a link that takes you to the full price list.  K-mail the amount of meat shown for the buff you need, and within a few minutes, you'll be buffed.  Keep in mind that you can only have 3 AT buffs at once, though.  I'm pretty sure you get a refund if you try to get more, but not 100% certain.  I do know that if you send an amount of meat not listed, it gets sent right back.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on May 12, 2006, 02:59:25 PM
Jeff is 100% correct.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 12, 2006, 11:52:14 PM
Yeah, I just tried it and it worked like a charm.  Thanks for the heads up - now you don't have to be bugged anymore, Ponch.  Unless, you know, you're feeling lonely and want me to do so...
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 16, 2006, 01:29:38 PM
Quote from: "Poncho the Sane"
You have to find the break point on green snowcones.  20 turns / the cost, and you need to find the profit by using it.  

I finally did this.  Here are my results.

Situation:
Level 11 Disco Bandit.
Mus.: 117
Mys.: 92
Mox.: 131

Hat: miner's helmet
Shirt: star shirt
Weapon: batblade
Off-Hand: box-in-the-box-in-the-box
Pants: tree skirt
Accessory: ye olde golde frontes
Accessory: porquoise necklace
Accessory: toy train

Familiar: 20 lb. Leprechaun + Meat Detector + Empathy to bring me to a base of 30 lbs.
Other Buffs: Elemental Saucephere (to get to the Icy Peak) and Polka of Plenty
Other Skills of note: Gnefarious Pickpocketing, Nimble Fingers

Results:
Fighting in the Icy Peak for 20 turns (the length of one snowcone) with a 30 lb. Leprechaun yielded the following meat:
695
723
617
797
730
642
705
723
684
670
730
638
688
766
776
653
663
705
705
656
Summary: 13,966 meat in total or an average of 698.3 meat per battle.

Fighting in the Icy Peak for 20 turns after using a snowcone with a 35 lb. Leprechaun yielded the following meat:

684
812
782
725
691
873
771
892
842
831
824
774
895
876
733
676
774
771
759
763
Summary: 15,748 meat in total or an average of 787.4 meat per battle.

The difference between these two results is 1,782 meat or an average of 89.1 meat per battle.  

The lowest cost in the Mall, at the time of this experiment, is 2,420 meat per Green Snowcone.

Thus, based on my setup, it is NOT profitable to purchase green snowcones purely to earn more meat.


I'm sure there are some other things I could do to alter the variables, and I'm more than willing to listen.  But until either the Green Snowcones drop in price or something else is presented to me which makes a big difference, I guess I won't be playing with a green tongue.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on May 16, 2006, 01:33:53 PM
Dan-
Duck on a string gains you a +% of item drop
Penguin whip gains you a +% of meat drop

Also, the Knob Goblin nasal spray ups your meat gain
Knob Goblin Pet Buffer ups your familiar by 5 or 10 lbs
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 16, 2006, 11:18:51 PM
Thanks.  I didn't know about the nasal spray. I'll look into it.

I didn't use the penguin whip or duck-on-a-string because I'm not strong enough yet.  I tried using those and either got my ass beat or it was too time consuming.  I use the Pet Buffer but chose not to in this experiment b/c it would be quicker - the difference in 10 or 15 muscle makes a huge impact on my attack rate.  It's the same reason I was using the Gold Frontes instead of a tiny plastic hermit - I needed the muscle.

When I'm stronger, I plan to use all those things and borrow the Tam O'Shanter to really rake in the dough.  But I can't just yet...
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on May 17, 2006, 08:04:19 AM
I love it that you are spading this out.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on May 17, 2006, 09:11:18 AM
Quote from: "Poncho the Sane"
I love it that you are spading this out.


*sniff*

He's all growed up now!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on May 17, 2006, 02:48:43 PM
Inspired by Dan

I started to wonder if the Knob Gnoblin Scientists' medicinal wares were worth their price.  Here's what I came up with:

Miner's Helmet (+5% item drop)
Penguin Whip (+3% meat drop)
Box in the box in the box (+3% meat)
Tiny Plastic Lep. (+1 lb to lep)
Porquise necklace (+10% meat)
Toy Train (+10% meat)

Meat Detector (+5 lbs to lep)

Heavy Petting (+5 familiar weight at a cost of 25 meat/adventure)
Wasabi Sinuses (+30% meat -10% item at cost of 15 meat/adventure)
Polka of Plenty (+50% meat)
Phat Loot (+20% item)

Bringing my lep. up to 41 lbs



Avg. of 828.83 meat/adventure
minus the cost of Wasabi & Petting is:
Grand total of 788.83 meat/adventure)
3 penguin skins (194 each for total of 18.77 meat/adventure)
8 yeti furs (tradable for 8 hippo skins worth 196 each, for total of 50.58 m/adventure)
Grand total with skins included of 858.18 meat/adventure


All of the above, without the Wasabi Sinus effect
Avg. 756.67 meat/adventure
minus cost of Petting is:
Grand total of 731.67 meat/adventure
3 penguin skins (194 each for total of 18.77 meat/adventure)
10 yeti furs (tradable for 10 hippo skins worth 196 each, for total of 63.22 meat/adventure)
Grand total with skins included of 813.66 meat/adventure

All of the above, minus both Wasabi & Petting, leaving a 36 lb Lep.)
Grand total of 719.64 meat/adventure
1 penguin skin (194 each for total of 6.25 meat/adventure)
11 yeti furs (tradable for 11 hippo skins worth 196 each, for total of 69.54 meat/adventure)
Grand total with skins included of 795.43 meat/adventure

I think you really need to discount the skins.  The drops are more random.  I should have gotten more than 1 penguin skin on that last run, and yet I didn't.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on May 18, 2006, 07:37:23 AM
SARS... all of the kids are getting so big!

Juliana, so you see that YES it is worth it.  I'm glad you guys are looking into the "why" and "how" of these things.  Let me know if you need any other specific info.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on June 06, 2006, 09:59:50 AM
For the record, the pink astral cupcakes aren't worth the price, at least not until they go down.

Icy Peak adventuring:

I ran 20 adventures with the cupcake, and ended up with about 923.3/adventure

20 without the cupcake got me 821.65/adventure.  

That's a difference of 101.65/adventure

Right now the cupcakes are going for about 2750 at their cheapest in the mall, averaging out to 137/adventure.

Basically they have to be below 2000 to see a VERY marginal profit.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on June 06, 2006, 01:30:11 PM
so is the new familiar as useful/valuable as the snowcone tome?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on June 06, 2006, 01:39:18 PM
I think it remains to be seen.
I like the badger, and I think the stat gains would be nice if you were hardcore, or even softcore pre-NS.

The astral mushrooms, while initially 60-70K, are now about 8K.  The cupcakes are all under 4K or so.  Some of the other stuff you can adventure for is around 10-12K, but they're harder to come by.

On the otherhand though, the price of snowcones has gone down quite a bit too (save the black snowcones).
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on June 07, 2006, 08:31:21 AM
Quote from: "Juliana"
For the record, the pink astral cupcakes aren't worth the price, at least not until they go down.

Icy Peak adventuring:

I ran 20 adventures with the cupcake, and ended up with about 923.3/adventure

20 without the cupcake got me 821.65/adventure.  

That's a difference of 101.65/adventure

Right now the cupcakes are going for about 2750 at their cheapest in the mall, averaging out to 137/adventure.

Basically they have to be below 2000 to see a VERY marginal profit.


The pink cupcakes are now selling for around 1300 now.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on June 07, 2006, 06:01:50 PM
Anyone know what was going on on the island yesterday?  I apparently missed it, and nothing seems to be different now....
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on June 07, 2006, 07:18:15 PM
Yeah.  New stuff: quest items: you'll find a Spanish flytrap at the pirates.  Equip it and catch 5 flies off the hippies.  Then adventure at the frat house til you get the adventure where they mix it into a drink for you.  All quest items so they are untradeable, unsellable, unmarketable, etc.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on June 07, 2006, 10:16:05 PM
Quote from: "Juliana"
The pink cupcakes are now selling for around 1300 now.

And they're up to 2,130 at the moment.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: clemsonfan on June 14, 2006, 09:40:23 AM
Ok, they said the way chow meins are made are different now. Anyone know the scoop?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on June 14, 2006, 12:47:49 PM
Seems like a few people have figured it out, but they're not saying yet

I myself do not know, but I wish that I did.  

Chow Mein prices are skyrocketing in the mall
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on June 14, 2006, 01:20:09 PM
We're working on it.  I guess we have a couple of clannies who figured it out, but are offline.


REGARDLESS... the kingdom is going from like 75% of folks being able to make chow meins to like 1% instantly.  I hope you have a good stockpile.  It will probably take a month or so for enough people to get their production up and running again.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on June 14, 2006, 01:22:31 PM
Quote from: "Poncho the Sane"
REGARDLESS... the kingdom is going from like 75% of folks being able to make chow meins to like 1% instantly.  I hope you have a good stockpile.  It will probably take a month or so for enough people to get their production up and running again.

Crap.  I had like 4, but had farmed yesterday for some more ingrediants.  I just didn't actually cook them yet.  Nice timing.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on June 14, 2006, 01:34:08 PM
Yeah, none of my peeps had more than a few each.  Poor Rosealia in hardcore is pretty well f'd.

LunarB- You might want to remove any chow meins from rville & gypsy clans and divide them fairly
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on June 14, 2006, 06:31:08 PM
I actually like this change as it makes the scrumptious reagent food useful again.  Chow Meins were so much better than the reagent food and easier to make on top of it.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on June 14, 2006, 07:57:16 PM
Yeah, the spoilers have figured it out.  I guess we all need to be lvl 15 pastamancers?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on June 15, 2006, 10:11:03 AM
You need the L15 sc, the L15 sa and the L15 pm skills... and to be a myst char.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on June 15, 2006, 10:16:56 AM
Wait wait wait...I thought the only big deal were the hi meins and lo meins.  Are we getting totally screwed out of chow meins, too?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on June 15, 2006, 10:23:25 AM
Yep, you can't make chow meins anymore.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on June 15, 2006, 11:28:33 AM
I thought it was the recipe that changed as opposed to horseshit limits on what class you can ascend as.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on June 15, 2006, 11:59:44 AM
Nope, I think you can still make stir fry, but it's a no-go on incorporating the noodles with it.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on June 15, 2006, 12:01:01 PM
after finding out everything involved in the changes, I REALLY like them.  It makes a lot more sense and makes people actually plan thing out.  It used to be once you got Pastamancery, you could make the best food in the game whenver you wanted.  Same thing with Advanced Cocktailcrafting.  Now you actually have to either plan and stash a boatload of chow meins/drinks away or plan and use other food/drinks.  It also makes reagents more useful, since their only use before was potions.

If you want the best food, you have to be a myst class.  If you want the best drinks you have to be moxie.  I assume the smithing changes they talked about will be muscle only.  I think it balances things out a lot more.  instead of doing 3 ascensions and having access to basically the best of everything, you get some good stuff (I think they need to add a couple more pasta recipes though) and you get the best of whatever stat class you are at that point.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on June 15, 2006, 01:08:30 PM
I don't know, it makes the whole thing so much more daunting for hardcore, especially since they're going to intro the NS at level 13 in the near future.  Rosealia is my hardcore go-to girl, and as it is I don't play her as much as my others.  This will knock that back even further I fear.  Yeah, yeah, I know "Hardcore should be hard" but as of now, this seems really REALLY hard.

This also makes being a TT or an AT pretty well useless.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on June 15, 2006, 01:30:01 PM
well, i completely agree with dirk.  but it also pisses me off b/c i want my chow meins.  oh well...it should be good for the game.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on June 15, 2006, 07:32:27 PM
Quote from: "dirk"
It also makes reagents more useful, since their only use before was potions.


Well, and reagent food.

I'm just peeved I can't make some of the reagents I want as a DB.  And I hate the new names.

But as for the food changes, I don't care.  I hate feeding my character anyway, so it looks like I'm pretty much sticking to booze and oxy runs 4-life.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on June 15, 2006, 10:48:10 PM
Well, you could make reagent food before but no one did, because the chow meins were so much better.  Why eat a 6 fullness food when you can eat a 5 fullness one that gives you the same amount of adventures and only take noodles?  this way, the reagent foods will actually be useful again.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on June 20, 2006, 09:52:44 PM
I typically made reagent foods out of laziness and when the RNG screwed me on ingredients.  I got screwed so frequently, in fact, that I switched to OXY and Booze runs only.  I love it.  Poor SARS is on teh liquid diet now!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on June 20, 2006, 11:29:52 PM
Since chow meins are essentially a no-go for me with the new changes...what are the next best foods that I should be consuming?  I like pumping up the muscle stat for my Disco Bandit if possible, but that's not a requirement.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on June 21, 2006, 08:08:41 AM
Well... if the meins are out of your league... for muscle you have a few choices.

15 royal jellies - POOR POOR adventure count (15 total), but pretty great muscle ratio.  
5 knoll stir-fry - 35-60 turns and about 40 muscle
5 bat wing stir-fry - 35-60 turns and about 50 muscle


if you want cheap... but not royal jelly cheap...

5 spicy bean burritos - 30-50 turns and about 35 muscle... easy to make yourself, cheap to buy.

Be specific though... SPICY BEAN BURRITO... it's the only burrito (there are like 6 combos of burritos) that gives muscle.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on June 21, 2006, 08:11:39 AM
why, when I was eating chow meins...could I only eat 3 of them?  You're suggesting I should have been able to eat 5...
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on June 21, 2006, 09:20:02 AM
No, I'm not.

Chow meins are 5 fullness... thus you could eat 3 of them.

Stir-fries are 3 fullness... thus you can eat 5 of them.

Two different monsters.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on June 21, 2006, 09:53:40 AM
I've been hell ramening, but I don't think it's the best plan really.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on June 21, 2006, 10:50:20 AM
I shoved 162 spicy bean burritos into the stash... those should last you a fairly long time.


Please note... you're definitely downgrading... 3 chow meins yield 70-75 and a ton of stat points.  5 SBB's yield about 30-50 and moderate stats.

BUT 27000 meat a day compared to free (3000 if you bought them) is a massive difference.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on June 21, 2006, 12:57:08 PM
Thanks!  
No, I had been making my own chow meins before, but they removed that ability from me.  And I don't plan to ascend enough times in the near future to gain the ability back.

I didn't realize those stir fries were three fullness. Thanks for the update.  Poncho....you're the man.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on June 21, 2006, 02:12:36 PM
The other plan is to find someone who can and get them to make them.

Keep collecting ingredients.  Ducknutz will have all three major skills within a week.  When you get enough parts... send them all (+1000 meat, because I'll have to buy 1 can of MSG for each one I make and that costs 1k each MSG) to Ducknutz and he'll send you back completed chows.

You won't need the skill... you can use mine!


Muscle chows:

Knob Sausage Chow Mein
1 secret blend of herbs and spices
1 knoll mushroom
1 knob sausage
1 dry noodles
1 msg (or 1000 meat.... since you can't send it to me)

21-29 adv, 5 fullness, 72-76 muscle


Knoll Lo Mein
1 secret blend of herbs and spices
1 knoll mushroom
1 msg (1000 meat)
1 dry noodles

15-20 adv, 4 fullness, 28-32 muscle


Cold Hi Mein
1 cold nuggets
1 scrumptious reagent
1 delectable catalyst (1000 meat)
1 adventure (to kick it up a notch)

22-28 adv, 5 fullness, 71-75 muscle (+30-35 myst and +15-20 moxie)


Hot Hi Mein
1 hot nuggets
1 scrumptious reagent
1 delectable catalyst (1000 meat)
1 adventure (to kick it up a notch)

22-28 adv, 5 fullness, 71-75 muscle (+15-20 myst and +30-35 moxie)
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on June 21, 2006, 06:06:57 PM
Wow.  What an offer.  Thanks...I'll do that on occasion, but I won't bug you with it.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on June 21, 2006, 07:01:52 PM
When I'm adventuring and not eating or drinking, who should get my ingredients? Should I just put them in the stash for other to use, or sell them in my store. In hardcore, I don't see as much benefit to the store option, and I'm not trying to make much meat. Or can I send them to someone who does have the skills to make the higher level food/drinks so they can make more (I don't know what the limiting ingredient(s) is/are.)
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on June 21, 2006, 09:07:31 PM
well...i'm trying to save up for a tome of snowcones...so if you're ever looking for a good cause to donate meat to....   :) :) :)




Note: I am NOT a meat begzorz.  That statement is just an option for ya.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on July 02, 2006, 05:05:38 PM
July 4th is in two days, and July 4th is a holiday.  I noticed that most holidays in the Gregorian calendar also tend to correspond with some special event in the KOL world.  Is there anything that happens on July 4th?  Should I be saving my adventures?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on July 03, 2006, 12:23:56 PM
no history of an event.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on July 08, 2006, 09:38:30 AM
Quote from: "Poncho the Sane"

Keep collecting ingredients.  Ducknutz will have all three major skills within a week.  When you get enough parts... send them all (+1000 meat, because I'll have to buy 1 can of MSG for each one I make and that costs 1k each MSG) to Ducknutz and he'll send you back completed chows.

Ducky can't receive gifts right now.  Do you want me to send them in a package, or will he be "available" shortly?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on July 09, 2006, 06:04:08 PM
Why do arrrgyle socks go for so much?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on July 10, 2006, 08:42:39 AM
Quote from: "Dan"
Quote from: "Poncho the Sane"

Keep collecting ingredients.  Ducknutz will have all three major skills within a week.  When you get enough parts... send them all (+1000 meat, because I'll have to buy 1 can of MSG for each one I make and that costs 1k each MSG) to Ducknutz and he'll send you back completed chows.

Ducky can't receive gifts right now.  Do you want me to send them in a package, or will he be "available" shortly?


When he's in ronin (he's not today) you'll have to send in packages.  I'm never in ronin for more than 3 days, so it won't be that long.

He just runs up the mountain and falls off... runs up the mountain and falls off.. rinse/repeat.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on July 20, 2006, 09:39:02 PM
So I think I'm going to try out PvP, now that I've been playing for a year. Any suggestions before I break my Hippy Stone?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: rva on July 20, 2006, 09:48:25 PM
Naw.  Just have fun.  It's really no-risk. The only thing that happens is you might lose some stats if you lose and slow up your ascension.  But you can just get them back by attacking a weaker opponent (and the more you lose, the more weaker opponents there are).
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on July 20, 2006, 10:13:33 PM
Given that I'm about to defeat the NS and just want some way to while away the time as I try to get to level 15 so I can acquire The Way of Sauce permanently, that shouldn't be an issue. I'll try not to attack anyone I know. :)
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on July 21, 2006, 07:48:56 AM
There is no risk in hardcore.
You could lose items in softcore.

If you want a pvp tutorial, let me know.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on July 21, 2006, 08:27:02 AM
Things in my display case are safe, right? What about in the colossal closet? The meat locker helps to prevent the loss of meat, but doesn't eliminate the entire risk, right? I'll be sure to have the other campground items installed, as well, before starting.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on July 29, 2006, 11:45:29 AM
I was trying to save up for a tome of snowcone summoning, but that decision was made back when they were only 16 million in the mall.  I've noticed that their prices are increasing at a rate faster than I can save, so I have abandoned this quest.  But I'm left with the spoils.  So what to do with this meat?  Any suggestions?

I now have 9,737,000 meat.  Which is suspiciously close to 10 million.  I'm thinking of buying one of the two 2 Mr. A familiars, as I have neither.  Which is better? Are they worth the purchase? If you had this money, what would you save for/spend it on?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: rva on July 29, 2006, 01:08:24 PM
Do you have an Astral badger?   My feeling is that that's one of the best monthly items ever.  As an investment, it's bound to increase in worth.  And as a familiar, you get cool adventures.  And you can sell the cupcakes or use them.

To me it's alot like the tome, but better.

Ella, I haven't pvp'ed in softcore but in the old days things in your collossal closet were safe.  It was how you protected stuff back before there was a display case.  I'm pretty sure that's still the how it is.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on July 29, 2006, 03:34:47 PM
Quote from: "rva"
Ella, I haven't pvp'ed in softcore but in the old days things in your collossal closet were safe.  It was how you protected stuff back before there was a display case.  I'm pretty sure that's still the how it is.

Thanks. I dumped a lot of consumable things in the clan stash so other could use them, too. (This character doesn't have a store yet.) So far I've only been attacked twice, and they've taken meat, which doesn't bother me. I've gotten my 2 trophies, so I'll be restoring my hippy stone in about a week.

I'm still kicking myself for not getting a badger. I didn't realize how much content would be available from the astral mushrooms.  #-o
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on July 29, 2006, 05:03:57 PM
Quote from: "Ella Minnow Pea"
I'm still kicking myself for not getting a badger. I didn't realize how much content would be available from the astral mushrooms.  #-o

You still can!  Quick, you have two days left...

Rva - yes, I have an astral badger. I don't know what prompted me to buy it, but I did. You think I should get two more, huh?  Hmmm.... maybe I can....
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on July 29, 2006, 05:43:10 PM
Quote from: "Dan"
Quote from: "Ella Minnow Pea"
I'm still kicking myself for not getting a badger. I didn't realize how much content would be available from the astral mushrooms.  #-o

You still can!  Quick, you have two days left...

I was thinking it was the June Mr. Store Item. Isn't it Wizard Hats now?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on July 29, 2006, 06:50:15 PM
It is wizard hats now.  The hat may not be as useful, but it gets extra cool points for letting you attack the darkness.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on July 29, 2006, 08:07:50 PM
oops. Sorry, I'm dumb.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on July 30, 2006, 11:04:59 AM
Is there any way to tell how much meat you've given to the hall of legends?  I am trying for the trophy, but was dumb and didn't keep track of what I was giving, so I have no idea how much more I need to give.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on July 30, 2006, 12:53:37 PM
Quote from: "Dan"
I was trying to save up for a tome of snowcone summoning, but that decision was made back when they were only 16 million in the mall.  I've noticed that their prices are increasing at a rate faster than I can save, so I have abandoned this quest.  But I'm left with the spoils.  So what to do with this meat?  Any suggestions?

I now have 9,737,000 meat.  Which is suspiciously close to 10 million.  I'm thinking of buying one of the two 2 Mr. A familiars, as I have neither.  Which is better? Are they worth the purchase? If you had this money, what would you save for/spend it on?

One possibility is completing the time outfit, if you don't have it already.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on July 30, 2006, 01:15:17 PM
Quote from: "Ella Minnow Pea"
One possibility is completing the time outfit, if you don't have it already.

That's true. I only have one of them...hmm...

Another question: what's the difference between the three astral mushroom 'trips'?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on July 30, 2006, 02:29:05 PM
As far as I know, the only difference is the mob level.  The rewards are all the same, but monsters are easier on the lower trips.  I assume this is so you can go on a trip at a low level and get cupcakes.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on July 31, 2006, 07:38:40 AM
Quote from: "Ella Minnow Pea"
Things in my display case are safe, right? What about in the colossal closet? The meat locker helps to prevent the loss of meat, but doesn't eliminate the entire risk, right? I'll be sure to have the other campground items installed, as well, before starting.


I apologize... I completely missed this.

DC = 100% safe
Closet = mostly safe

They will steal things from your inventory first.  Completing your campground (spooky scarecrow mostly) will protect your stuff.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on August 17, 2006, 10:02:40 PM
I keep seeing mention of stasis. What is it?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on August 18, 2006, 08:26:10 AM
Well... stasis itself is the act of slowing the life of something beyond it's normal rate.

In KoL it's the act of slowing your fights down to gain ground in the game.  It's extremely complex and time-consuming.  It can take hours to run 100 turns.  You basically adjust your moxie to the exact point where you still get hit by the monster, but you don't get hit a lot.  You use saucespheres and skills to gain MP and HP and use as close to the allowed 30 combat rounds each time as you can manage.

You are basically fighting out of your comfort zone for free buffs.  One of the most expensive items in a HC run is the cost of your buffs.  In a stasis run, you may know that the Level 3 Menagerie has a base moxie requirement of 79-85 to not get hit, but has reasonable hit (mid-20's) returns on XP.  Thus you kick up the Mind Control Device to 11 (making the moxie req'd 90-106 and the XP bumps up to the high 20's).  You may add a few other +ML items (stainless steel scarf or goth kid t-shirt or something) and get it up something higher, but basically if you are fighting in an area that has 90-106 moxie req'd... you'd put your moxie to like 85-ish.  Then you go in and fight using saucespheres (Jabenero and Jalapeno provide HP and MP when you sustain a hit from a monster) to make sure you get hit as often as possible while losing as little HP as possible.

Some of this has been made impossible by recent changes.  So this is the way it WAS done before.  I don't know about new stasis... or even what is possible.

Basically, it boiled down to people fighting monsters that were almost out of their league... and getting hit so that they gained HP and MP.  The MP would allow you to buff yourself with all the buffs you might need for the rest of your run.  The XP you got from finally killing the monster was way higher than you'd normally get if you were fighting monsters at your expected level.

Keep in mind that I do not stasis.  This is just rehash from sitting around them all the time, listening.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on August 18, 2006, 08:50:13 AM
Thanks. It does sound time involved.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on August 18, 2006, 04:48:23 PM
Quote from: "Ella Minnow Pea"
I keep seeing mention of stasis. What is it?


Sheesh, soooooooo time involved.  Less so once you get the right skills for it, but even so, it's crazy.  Greasemonkey and some really hawt scripts make it better, but it's still insanity.

My basic definition of stasis is that it's that thing that makes me sit on the couch and pout while my boyfriend takes 3 hours to play 10 turns.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on August 30, 2006, 08:23:13 AM
Sooooo...no more farming on the Icy Peak I take it.  
What's the word around the kingdom these days?
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on August 30, 2006, 09:28:51 AM
http://www.iocainepowder.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3636

good info on the peak change.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on August 30, 2006, 09:47:56 AM
I'm digging the new content so far.  Going to the IP thread now though
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on August 18, 2006, 04:48:23 PM
Quote from: "Ella Minnow Pea"
I keep seeing mention of stasis. What is it?


Sheesh, soooooooo time involved.  Less so once you get the right skills for it, but even so, it's crazy.  Greasemonkey and some really hawt scripts make it better, but it's still insanity.

My basic definition of stasis is that it's that thing that makes me sit on the couch and pout while my boyfriend takes 3 hours to play 10 turns.
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on October 20, 2006, 10:03:26 AM
Okay, I know somebody posted that they'd babysit a character if somebody was going out of town.  

I'm here to ask that favor.  You don't have to play my adventures or anything like that if you don't want to, but I'm trying to gloomy mushroom farm, and that coencides with going out of town tonight (Friday) and Saturday.  I'd need you to get on Saturday, and do some mushroom farming.

I'll find some way to make this worth your while.  

I love you guys!


Thanks to our fearless clan leaders for the new Rumpus room stuff, btw.  It's awesome!!!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on October 20, 2006, 08:48:49 PM
Did you get anyone? I'd be glad to, if you're still around. Either PM or Kmail Zazilia, who is also gloomy mushroom farming.

Edit: You may not want me. In the 3 hours since writing this post, I never logged in and missed day 6 of 10 in my quest for 8 gloomy black mushrooms. Argh!
Title: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on October 23, 2006, 10:22:29 AM
Nope, I didn't, but it's okay.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Misfitt on May 09, 2007, 03:31:26 PM
So, I've worked up a personal bank of about 3 mil meat. I realize this isn't much to a lot people but now that I have some capital I'm wondering what people do 'round here to make meat fast.
I've browsed many sites to see but it's all over the place. Should I become a reseller? What do you all do?
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on May 09, 2007, 07:18:49 PM
To me, that's a lot. I've never reached 1,000,000. I think the most I've had is about 500,000. If only I'd farmed the peak more before it was nerfed.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on May 09, 2007, 08:04:29 PM
I still make about 80-90K/day in the Castle when I farm.  Mmmmm....meat.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on May 09, 2007, 08:30:30 PM
To me, that's a lot. I've never reached 1,000,000. I think the most I've had is about 500,000. If only I'd farmed the peak more before it was nerfed.

Got an NPZR?  That's where the meat is at!

And MMG MMG MMG!  That's where we lose all our meatseses! 
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on May 09, 2007, 08:51:05 PM
Reselling is good, but you have to put in a lot of time.  The castle is the best place to meat farm now, and you can make a good amount of meat there (I make ~120000 a day, but that is with most of the meat buffs permed and some decent meat boosting EQ).  The NPZR is good if you have a LOT of time.  NPZR stasis is the current best way to make meat, but you can spend easily 4 hours playing your turns each day.

I do a little bit of everything.  I check the mall and grab up some lower priced stuff and resell it.  I use the NPZR at lower level to get the most I can.  And then I farm the castle at higher levels.  It works out pretty well and I make a good amount of meat.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on May 09, 2007, 09:28:33 PM
Since I'm not much of a gambler and statis doesn't appeal to me, it looks like less meat for me. I'll take my NPZR out for a spin and see how it does.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: rva on May 09, 2007, 10:00:00 PM
In the old days, I used to play the market.  You can get about 10% return a day pretty easily.  The only thing about it is it takes meat to make meat.  The last time I went softcore, I hung around for about a week and made 3 million flipping a TPS.  Everyday someone would be in a temporary meat crunch and put one in the market for 500k less than the next lowest price. 
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Misfitt on May 10, 2007, 08:51:41 AM
All right. Maybe I'll get together a NPZR. I just donated 30 so that I could have a Mr. A to use and a nervous tick. Is 3mil enough to get together the supplies for a NPZR? For sure I'll have to ascend again for the quest items needed.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on May 10, 2007, 09:55:27 AM
I'd think so, as the most expensive component is the zombie pineal gland, which is currently going for just under 500K.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on May 10, 2007, 10:34:09 AM
<1M and ascending should work.

Consistantly there is a big market for clovers... you could work on 31337 scrolls?  They yield both clovers AND worthless knick-knacks to trade for clovers.

There is a semi-regular big market for twinkly wads, so gaining the "pulverize" skill might be a handy start to meat-making goodness by smashing your items.

Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Juliana on June 29, 2007, 08:49:58 AM
What castle are you guys making all the moolah in?
I'm missing something it seems.

I've broken Nora Charles' bank buying the pixie it seems.  That, and I don't want to sell any of my extra plastic pumpkin buckets just yet. 
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on June 29, 2007, 10:43:10 AM
The castle in the sky is what they are refering to.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on June 29, 2007, 12:38:08 PM
And the most recent Mafia doesn't like playing there.  :(
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on June 29, 2007, 06:28:21 PM
Mafia doesn't really like anywhere since NS13.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on July 04, 2007, 08:59:03 AM
The Festive Dismemberment trophy is available again today for anyone who missed it last year!
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: IPrayForTang on July 04, 2007, 01:03:39 PM
Yup.  Picked that one up and 3 more.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on July 04, 2007, 01:44:07 PM
3 more? Just checked them out - very nice.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: clemsonfan on July 19, 2007, 06:58:38 AM
Ok, I took a year or so break and my account was deleted, but now I'm back. I have quite a few questions:

1. Where is Farnswarthy Tower?
2. How can I make my Epic weapon?
3. How can I get to the second floor of Spookyraven Manor?
4. How can I make a chef in a box?
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Jonathan on July 19, 2007, 07:39:51 AM
4. How can I make a chef in a box?

Step 1: Cut a hole in the box...
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on July 19, 2007, 10:34:58 AM
Step 2: Put your junk in the box



1. It opens now as part of the quest to make your bitchin' meatcar.  See the guy at your guild who is in the box (top middle)  Then it's in the nearby plains.
2. That depends on your class.  You will need a big rock though... so buy one, use a clover at the Lemon Party in the casino or have someone give you one.
3. You have to do the quest in order... play pool, get the library key, find the book to open the stairs (it's a link hidden in the image)
4.

Disembodied brain + smart skull =  brainy skull
spring + box = nothing in a box
chef's hat + brainy skull = chef skull
chef skull + nothing in a box = chef skull in a box
chef skull in a box + ez cook oven = chef in the box
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Jonathan on July 19, 2007, 11:08:09 AM
And that's the way you do it.

It's a Chef in a Box!
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: clemsonfan on July 19, 2007, 11:56:31 AM
Farnsworthy Tower didn't show up for me during that quest. Hmmmm....
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on July 19, 2007, 12:50:31 PM
Well... I told you wrong.

Sorry.  You have to go to the opposite guy.  If you are a pastamancer... see the sauceror.  Down at the bottom.

The one I told you open Degrassi Knoll.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: rva on July 19, 2007, 01:24:05 PM
Go to the one of the two dudes in the front, like Poncho said.  One of them will say something useful to you, one won't.  You'll know which because it'll be all quest-sounding.

The Farnsworthy area is available to you now, once you do something.  Unfortunately, what they say is pretty crappy in terms of giving you a clue about what you have to do.  What you actually have to do is go to the mispelled cematary and get a grave robing shovel.  And then keep adventuring in the cematary until you get a certain one-time special adventure.

And THEN the Farnsworthy area opens up.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: clemsonfan on July 20, 2007, 06:52:37 AM
Ok, next question:

Where do you get a box? I used to get them at the Fun House but I don't see the Fun House anymore.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: clemsonfan on July 20, 2007, 07:25:46 AM

2. That depends on your class.  You will need a big rock though... so buy one, use a clover at the Lemon Party in the casino or have someone give you one.


I have two characters, a pastamancer and a sauceror.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on July 20, 2007, 07:41:44 AM
This only appears once you have the epic weapon quest I believe.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: clemsonfan on July 23, 2007, 11:53:32 AM
Yay!!! I made my legendary epic weapons!
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on January 06, 2008, 07:56:48 PM
So I'm playing again (it happens when Crimbo comes around), and I haven't been able to keep up with all the new content. (I finally completed my first NS13 ascensions.)

Rigby is now in possession of a natty blue ascot, which is apparently a highly desired item. It's not  an ultra rare, so what classification is it given?

(Rigby is my HC character, so it will soon be in my display case. I can't see selling it, although it would make me quite a bit of meat.)
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on January 06, 2008, 08:09:21 PM
I would qualify it as a rare item.  It is from one of the heroes from the war, which are rare encounters (it is possible to encounter none of the heroes in an ascension, and if you do encounter them, it is usually only 1).  And welcome back, there is lots of new stuff to keep you occupied for a while.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on January 06, 2008, 09:06:40 PM
I knew it was from a hero, and how they worked. I'm just amazed at the price difference between them and the other hero items.

I've been playing a bit, but not much. I have a whopping 34 filthy lucre. One day I'll get enough for the Tome for Rigby (which makes the most sense for her as she's HC and has good familiars).

Luckily I got my roboducks. If anyone needs eggs, let me know.

Did I forget how familiars work on ascension? I thought you got to keep 1 20 pound one. When I ascended, it went back to 0 pounds. Or did that get changed, too, with the new types of ascensions?
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on January 07, 2008, 07:47:24 AM
You didn't forget, that changed in NS13.


Those items are more "semi-rares" than "rares".  They simply don't drop enough and someone is collecting them.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on April 08, 2010, 01:48:16 PM
Does anyone still play this? If so, I have some questions, as I've picked it back up again and started messing around.

Simple one ..... I want to use some basic potions to up my characters Muscle. What are some? I'm looking for the permanent stuff, not the temporary stuff.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on April 08, 2010, 06:20:41 PM
Tomato Juice of Powerful Power
Potion of Temporary Gr8tness
Philter of Phorce
Ferrigno's Elixer of Power


http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Muscle_Modifiers



Yes... Rafe, Sars and I play daily still. 
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on April 08, 2010, 06:27:59 PM
Sorry... my reading comprehension was bad.  Those are all temporary.


Building your muscle permanently is a bit more time-consuming and tricky.  You need to adventure to gain experience.  Unless you are rich or have rich friends to give you ten-leaf clovers.

You need to put on a blood-faced volleyball and adventure.  If you use clovers... you need to do it in the haunted gallery for muscle.

There is no "oh hey I've got lots of muscle permanently" button.  Sorry.  You can eat muscle foods, drink muscle drinks and adventure.  That's about it.  Ultimately, the muscle you get from food and drink is minuscule anyway.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on April 08, 2010, 10:09:24 PM
Gotcha. I was just tired of getting my ass kicked in a few spots and wanted some more muscle.

To be honest, I don't know if I'm rich or not. Basically my account from two or three years ago had some stuff in it, and then I lent my account to someone (can't remember who) so I don't know how much of my stuff they added, but when I took the account back, started a new game, and I came out of Ronin...I was pretty surprised.

I doubt that to a veteran I have a lot of stuff, but it makes my messing around a lot easier. Like, I bought the fancy tux outfit just for giggles. Or if I want to make some drink I have the meat to just go to the mall and buy the ingredients.

Another question - do they still have clockwork bartender-in-a-boxes? I used to make those, but I went looking for their recipe and couldn't find it. I might have been looking in the wrong place, of course.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on April 08, 2010, 10:25:24 PM
I picked it back up at Crimbo this year. I'm bummed I missed a few holidays, but at least I have old stuff.

The clockwork parts are at the Thugnderdome in the Gnomish Gnomads' Camp on the beach, but you have to have a moxie Zodiac sign to access it.

The wiki is your friend: http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Main_Page
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on April 08, 2010, 10:45:12 PM
I'm still playing as well. 

I have to second the wiki.  I still check it almost every day for something.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on April 09, 2010, 12:27:43 PM
Thanks. I found it now. I'm dumb that I didn't see that before.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Buzzstein on April 10, 2010, 05:57:36 PM
I played for about three months last year then I became incredibly bored with it and stopped.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on April 12, 2010, 12:40:09 PM
The Mystical Bookshelf (http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Your_Mystical_Bookshelf) page says:

"The bookshelf was implemented on January 3rd, 2008, as a way to limit the disadvantage that new players down the line would experience by missing out on powerful, limited-time-only spellbooks such as the Tome of Snowcone Summoning. Prior to its implementation, spellbooks granted their skills, automatically marked Hardcore Permanent, directly to players."


I'm confused - how does this help? I'm not sure what Hardcore Permanent is, but does this imply that I could eventually get a Tome of Snowcone Summoning? Or Whatnot?


ALSO

Is there any reasonable use for my McPhee's Grimoire of Hilarious Item Summoning? Gift items seem to be pretty worthless?
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on April 12, 2010, 01:23:09 PM
The bookshelf basically ties all of the books together.  In the past, each book would increase in MP separately.  So the first time you used a book skill, it would cost 1MP, then 2MP, 4 MP, etc.  You you could use each book skill you had once per day for 1 MP each.  With the bookshelf, each use of a book skill increases the total MP cost of all book skils.  So if you summon a snow cone, it costs 1MP.  Then you summon a candy heart, and that will cost you 2 MP (since you already used 1 book skill already).You basically have to pick and choose which book skills you want to use before the MP gets out of hand, where as before you could use each one until it got out of hand.

You can definitely still save up and buy and use the tomes if you want.  It basically just limits the amount you can summon things  a bit more if you have multiple book skills.  If you have a single book skill, it doesn't make any difference at all.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on April 12, 2010, 07:19:04 PM
Ah, that makes sense. Yes, I have a Candy Heart one, but that's it. I couldn't figure how the bookshelf does anything... and that's why.

I do wish I had a Snowcone. Or at least I used to wish that.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2010, 10:46:31 AM
When I ascended from being a Disco Bandit I chose Superhuman Cocktailcrafting as my Permanent Skill. I'm beginning to think this was a pretty worthless skill to keep (unless I'm going to be a Disco Bandit again).

My question - is there any way I can use this?
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on May 04, 2010, 02:24:03 PM
It is pretty useless unless you have already permed Advanced Cocktail Crafting.  It then allows you to summon 2 more items a day.  It does allow you access to the still, but that only works if you are an Accordion Thief, so it is of limited usefulness.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2010, 11:44:51 PM
Gotcha. I guess if I want that decision to be of any use I need to ascend... then go through the game again as a disco bandit and then ascend and make the the Advanced Cocktail Crafting Skill also permanent. Which seems like a lot of work.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on May 10, 2010, 03:08:54 PM
Does anyone recommend a side to fight for in the Hippy/Frat War?
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on June 05, 2010, 05:30:27 PM
Sorry, I was away for quite some time.

Are you looking for speed or ease or drops in the war?
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on June 05, 2010, 11:22:00 PM
Too late. I ended up fighting for the frat boys. Then I decided i would eliminate all the frat boys, too, so I fought for the hippies. So I did them both, although I (stupidly) took out the hippy camp in the end.

Now I'm just messing around I guess.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on June 14, 2010, 10:27:14 PM
So I'm going to buy myself a Mr. Accessory in the mall. Is there a cycle in which the cheapest prices are... at their cheapest? I mean to say - if there's a monthly cycle, when is the best time to purchase it?


I'm not there yet - I only have 6.2 million, but it looks like I'll be focusing on generating that last million as my primary objective for the coming weeks.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on June 14, 2010, 11:27:33 PM
Generally, they are a little cheaper in the middle of the month.  They usually go up at the end/beginning of the month when the new item of the month comes out.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on June 15, 2010, 10:11:23 AM
Much like the stock market, the price tends to go up/down during the day, too.  You can listen to /trade and watch for it to dip.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on July 02, 2010, 07:05:45 PM
How does one make the Grim Grimacite Site adventurable? Poking around on the wiki implies (to me at least) that it is adventurable.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on July 02, 2010, 09:02:40 PM
I'm not seeing where you read that in the wiki... I just called it up (but I'm on my cell phone, so maybe I missed it) and don't see how you got that impression.

No, you can't.  It has been opened in the distant past (3+ years ago) but not now.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on July 04, 2010, 09:21:09 AM
Ahh, okay. I just went back and re-read the wiki and yeah it was only open for like a week or something. I missed that part.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on July 09, 2010, 02:03:27 PM
Do you have any advice for adventuring in The Sea? Or the Sea Floor? I just got my Makeshift SCUBA gear but everytime I go down there I get my ass kicked. I'm level 19, so maybe I need to level up more? I use some modifiers and I do fine, of course, but I don't feel like I'm making any progress in getting that guy's boot back (what do I need to do?) or about opening up the rest of the sea floor. I don't remember what it was exactly, but I know there's some really valuable stuff I can get from the Marinara Trench (I'm a Sauceror) that I stumbled upon ages ago in the wiki. I'd like to explore all that before ascending, but I'm feeling kind of stuck.

So basically:
1) I'm getting my ass kicked. Is there a secret or something I'm not doing?
2) How do I progress the story? I know...find the boot. But how?
3) Should I be on the lookout for anything down there, or trying to accomplish anything specific?


EDIT: I just found the "Old Guy and the Ocean" wiki page. This always happens - ask for help AND THEN I find it on my own. I'm an idiot sometimes.

EDIT X2: Why is it that I can't collect any items? Erm, I mean, how do I fix this?
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Ella Minnow Pea on July 09, 2010, 09:41:25 PM
I haven't figured out The Sea yet, either, if it makes you feel any better.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on July 12, 2010, 06:35:14 PM
Yeah, that does make me feel better. I finally got one of the wriggling flytrap pellets, so I've opened up the Edgar Fitzsimmons, but I can't get any item drops in there. Even with all my "item drop" stats maxed out and a 13 lb Baby Gravy Fairy. Ugh. The dolphins keep stealing the few items I do get... is there something that I can do to fend off the dolphins, do you think? The wiki says I can buy a dolphin whistle for a sand dollar, which I could easily do now that I've opened Big Brothers' shop, but I can't even get a sand dollar...let alone 100 of them that I need for the quest or the 300 that some of the other items require.

Oh, and I bought a grouper groupie (named Avril Montana, which keeps making me laugh) so at least I don't have to deal with that bathysphere. But I'm thinking it's the pressure penalty and the mere fact that there are many drops in this section that's slowing us down. It's obviously supposed to be difficult... and so it is!
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on July 13, 2010, 11:24:57 AM
The Sea is a mess.  You know as much as I do when you looked at the wiki.  I used the wiki 6 times during 6 runs to get those 6 undersea skills.


What I know:

Eat the best food you can for sea adventuring... Magical Jack LaLanne rolls  (seaweed + rice + beefy fish meat + dragonfish cavier + sea radish) for the highest number of adv with the "Fishy" effect which helps

Use the groupie grouper

Follow the basic details HERE (http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Underwater_adventuring)

I'm useless for anything past finding grandpa, as that's the furthest I've ever gone.  Each class I found little brother, found big brother, found grandpa, got skill, left
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: dirk on July 13, 2010, 04:28:54 PM
I am about to head down once my stats get high enough.  I need to kill a trophyfish (for the trophy).  I have a feeling this is going to be a LONG process.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on August 05, 2010, 04:56:10 PM
Are you Poncho The Sane in KOL? If so, you bought 13 green candy hearts from me yesterday.

You know, I'm willing to give those to you since you've helped me with so much. I know that sometimes you just want them right away, but just let me know, ya know?
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on August 05, 2010, 07:00:09 PM
I am.  It doesn't matter at all.  I was helping some people for Rafe and scripting turns.  It just bought them as part of the script.


I've got enough meat that I'm 100% good.  Thanks for the kind offer, though.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on August 06, 2010, 10:08:42 AM
Well even though it was just your script, it was certainly refreshing to see someone's name that I recognize in the "recently activity" screen. So that was fun.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on September 18, 2010, 10:03:34 AM
Update: I'm now level 23 and have been enjoying myself wasting time in the Sea. I've (obviously) got it figured out, but I'm thinking now I want to just go for the level 30 trophy before ascending. So my question is - what do you find is the best way to gain stats? Getting from 23 to 30 is going to take forever, so instead of messing around in the sea I figure I should be smarter about this.

I know - equip the familiar and as much equipment that helps as possible. Any other advice?


Also - I bought my Mr. Accessory. If you recommend anything that's uber useful let me know? Either in game or for meat-making purposes.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on September 18, 2010, 11:49:40 AM
The absolute easiest way to go from low-20's to 30 in a couple of days is to clover.


Ballroom for Moxie
Gallery for Muscle
Bathroom for Myst


Not exactly cheap, but in 2010 it's about 100x cheaper than it was 3 or 4 years ago.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on September 18, 2010, 04:37:34 PM
A couple of days? Yowza.

Sorry - but I don't know what that means. Can you give me a link or some keywords to use to search on the wiki? I'm looking now but can't seem to find it.  Also - I just bought my Mr. Accessory, so I'm back down to only 300,000 meat or so. Thus, I guess I can't do anything too expensive. The wiki kinda suggests a normal method is to simply keep mining the Sea.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: daytime drinking on April 08, 2012, 01:38:27 PM
why do whenever i see trains (on tracks, sometimes they float in my dreams) they are mostly idle?  and what happens to the people aboard the train when said train is idle?  do they go to the early morning bar?  and if so, exactly where is the early morning bar?
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: lutz on April 08, 2012, 03:37:49 PM
Jeff... I'd go with the 5lbs of volleyball... but in the valley it's really too close to call.  

When you get to the castle or the hole in the sky... a sombrero with +5 monster is WAY BETTER
I don't have a clue what you guys are talking about, but this cracked my shit up. I assume it's some sort of RPG..?
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: daytime drinking on April 08, 2012, 04:34:45 PM
oh ok.  this thread has nothing to do with my question.  if only i could walk out of the room without anyone noticing.  at first i thought this was a thread about the kings of leon and then i thought it was just a thread about asking questions.  this happened on the woxy boards once when i was a youngin.  i would see a thread and post immediately without having read any of the post to see my post was pertinent to the conversation.  i was just so excited for a thread that answered questions.  sigh. 
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on April 09, 2012, 02:49:55 PM
I haven't played the game in over 18 months but the game is so wacky and out there that your question actually sounded legitimately like it was part of the game.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Poncho on April 09, 2012, 09:39:27 PM
Wild.


www.kingdomofloathing.com
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Dan on February 14, 2013, 09:49:55 AM
Question:

In KOL, prior or around when you fight Dr Awkward in the Palindome, is (or was?) there an assistant of his? Or a friend?


I have a memory of either reading on the screen or actually fighting both his assistant and Dr Awkward himself. However, I can't seem to find anything about the assistant/friend on the KOLWiki so I'm confused.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: Butter on February 14, 2013, 10:31:30 AM
why do whenever i see trains (on tracks, sometimes they float in my dreams) they are mostly idle?  and what happens to the people aboard the train when said train is idle?  do they go to the early morning bar?  and if so, exactly where is the early morning bar?

oh ok.  this thread has nothing to do with my question.  if only i could walk out of the room without anyone noticing.  at first i thought this was a thread about the kings of leon and then i thought it was just a thread about asking questions.  this happened on the woxy boards once when i was a youngin.  i would see a thread and post immediately without having read any of the post to see my post was pertinent to the conversation.  i was just so excited for a thread that answered questions.  sigh. 

I just saw these, and I think we should just go ahead and make this a Kings of Leon questions thread.  I know this was 10 months ago, but I like the idea.

Someone make it happen.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: slow-dog on August 08, 2013, 07:02:22 PM
Anyone hear the rumors of an online console version for the new Playstation and Xbox platforms?
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: scurvygirl on August 09, 2013, 09:41:35 AM
Nope, but I barely remember to login anymore.
Title: Re: KoL: Your questions answered
Post by: euro60 on August 09, 2013, 11:29:19 AM
And here I'm thinking this is a Kings of Leon thread  :P