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Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: AngelV on June 26, 2004, 05:20:16 PM
I decided last night to check out the film. Luckily, the AFI Silver had several showings because most of them were sold out as of last night. But I got a ticket for the 12:30pm show online and saw it today.

There was a long line and the theatre was packed. I think just about every demographic was represented. Though the film is basically preaching to the choir, it was really good. Moore isn't physically in the film as much as he was in Columbine. He definitely did his homework on finding out a lot of information to compile the documentary. Within the span of 2 hours, I laughed, cried, clapped and was angry. Just a head's up, the film does include some graphic scenes from Iraq, including the charred bodies of the contractors killed in Fallujah and other deaths. But I didn't flinch because I knew I had to see it. There was a pregnant woman and her hubby in front of me and he kept shielding her eyes.
 
Where I live, it's pretty Democratic/left-leaning, so when a soldier injured in Iraq who was recovering at Walter Reed (which is not far from the AFI) said he was going to do everything he could to support the Dems, people clapped and cheered. It made for quite the film experience.

I'm not sure if the film will change the minds of people sitting on the fence about the November election, but it may strengthen the resolve of those who have already made up their minds.
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Nate on June 27, 2004, 12:40:41 AM
Preaching to the choir, definitely.  Though if it only gets people on opposite sides of the fence talking, the film will be a success.
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: AngelV on June 27, 2004, 01:06:16 AM
So far, the box office totals for the film are amazing. It's showing on less than 900 screens nationwide and made an estimated $8.2 million on Friday (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2004-06-25&p=.htm) alone. The controversies surrounding the film are definitely helping, similar to the situation when The Passion of the Christ was released.
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: RedRigmaJacket on June 27, 2004, 06:46:24 PM
its funny, one of my all time pet peeves is when people clap during/after a movie...think about how the filmmaker cant hear you, etc...but there i was clapping during/after the movie.  never done that before...
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Jonathan on June 27, 2004, 07:22:23 PM
Quote from: "RedRigmaJacket"
its funny, one of my all time pet peeves is when people clap during/after a movie...think about how the filmmaker cant hear you, etc.

I feel the same way. It does seem rather pointless to clap at a movie. I can understand doing it at a premiere, where people involved in the movie are quite possibly in attendance, but the odds of that happening on a weeknight at your local theater are slim at best. ;)
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: AngelV on June 27, 2004, 07:32:02 PM
A friend of mine saw the film earlier today and reported that, "There was a guy in front of the theatre taking pictures. He was wearing a shirt that said 'Jesus votes Republican.' Is that supposed to be an insult to Jesus or to Democrats?"
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: MissKitty on June 28, 2004, 08:36:40 AM
CR and I saw the movie this weekend too. The film didn't tell us anything we didn't already know, but it was still a very powerful film. Apparently there will be a "town meeting" tonight on the internet about it. As we filed out of the theatre someone gave us a flier about it.
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Megs79 on June 28, 2004, 09:29:24 AM
Quote from: "MissKitty"
The film didn't tell us anything we didn't already know, but it was still a very powerful film.  


I saw it Friday night as well (Newport on the Levee, at one of 3 sold out showings at 9:45).  It was a very good film, but it was definitely preaching to the choir.  I liked the part about the marine recruiters trying to get poor kids in Flint to enlist.  Telling one guy with hoop dreams that "David Robinson was in the Navy."  Um, yeah, he went to the NAVAL ACADEMY.  That's a totally different world than signing up to be cannon fodder.
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: AngelV on June 28, 2004, 09:37:48 AM
Yeah, or the one guy where they said, "Give us your name so we can cross you off our list noting that we talked to you."  :roll:
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Megs79 on June 28, 2004, 10:40:14 AM
Quote from: "AngelV"
Yeah, or the one guy where they said, "Give us your name so we can cross you off our list noting that we talked to you."  :roll:


Yeah, that was pretty low.  Those recruiters are relentless.  My younger brother graduated from high school in 2000, after I'd finished my junior year of college.  The recruiters called him constantly (especially because he was considering the military and had gone and talked to them several times), and one time I answered the phone when he wasn't home, and the recruiter had the audacity to try his sales pitch on me.  I explained to him that I had one year left of college, and he could take his GI Bill and stick it where the sun didn't shine because I wasn't signing up for four more years of anything.
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: MissKitty on June 28, 2004, 10:48:38 AM
I remember a recruiter called my house when I was about two months away from high school graduation. He asked my plans and I told him I'd been accepted to several universities and he still tried to get me to join up and have my schooling paid for.  :roll:

He called back several times throughout my first year of college until I screamed at him to stop harrassing me and to never call again. Bastard.
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Jonathan on June 28, 2004, 11:03:46 AM
I was never recruited. I guess my reputation as a smart-ass preceded me.
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Bronzetree on June 28, 2004, 12:58:25 PM
Hell, I signed up to join the Army right out of high school, but bailed at the last minute. I was about to start basic in a few days when I chickened out. I don't regret it, seeing as we went to war two years later, which would've fallen during my tour of duty. No, thanks.
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: MissKitty on June 28, 2004, 01:16:29 PM
Hey, did anyone else notice a police presence where you saw the film? CR and I noticed police inside the cinema complex (although not in the actual theatre) and also outside. We kinda thought it was just because it was a Friday night and there were lots of highschool aged people there, but then I found out on another message board that there have been police at showings in other cities too.
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: AngelV on June 28, 2004, 01:22:30 PM
Didn't notice any police when I saw it Saturday afternoon. No protestors, either.
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Doug on June 28, 2004, 01:26:13 PM
Quote from: "Scott"
Hell, I signed up to join the Army right out of high school, but bailed at the last minute. I was about to start basic in a few days when I chickened out. I don't regret it, seeing as we went to war two years later, which would've fallen during my tour of duty. No, thanks.

I did the exact same thing.  My dad said "Son, you're fuckin' high".  I was all sworn in and had a ship date.  I bailed too.  My uncle is a doctor and wrote me a note to get out.   My recruiter took me to Cincy to visit the Chief Surgeon or whatever and he left me there at 17 without a ride home.  Bastard.
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: JohnnyRoyale on June 30, 2004, 11:01:02 PM
Went and saw it tonight. Walked out with the same opinion on Moore and his work as I went in: I agree with a lot of his opinions, but definately not all. And I think he drags some issues out too far.

Great film though. I liked Columbine better b/c it showed more from the other side, and wasn't a one way attack. I learned a lot in this film that pissed me off. I'm sure that not everything was legit as far as facts go, but I understood his points at all times.

The scenes with the lady who lost her son were a little too dramatic and overplayed, I thought. Don't get me wrong, I feel horrible for her and families alike, but those scenes were a little much.

JR
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: Atzend on July 01, 2004, 12:01:25 PM
Quote from: "JohnnyRoyale"
The scenes with the lady who lost her son were a little too dramatic and overplayed, I thought. Don't get me wrong, I feel horrible for her and families alike, but those scenes were a little much.


I thought the same thing.

I saw it at 10pm on Tuesday and it was sold out!  I was kind of suprised.  Overall, I liked it.  Like many other people have said there wasn't much that I hadn't heard about before.  The James Bath connection was something new to me.  I did like Farhenheit 9/11 a bit better than Columbine.
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: AngelV on July 01, 2004, 12:18:43 PM
Quote from: "JohnnyRoyale"
The scenes with the lady who lost her son were a little too dramatic and overplayed, I thought. Don't get me wrong, I feel horrible for her and families alike, but those scenes were a little much.

JR


I disagree. I think for many folks, it's convenient mentally to think "600+" have been killed and store it away in their minds...but to actually see what the families face after losing a loved one isn't shown enough. It's a difficult line between empathy and exploitation, but I think Moore didn't cross it. However, I do think the scene showing the happy Iraqis before the U.S.-led invasion was a bit much.
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: thepsychicpoirot on July 01, 2004, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: "MissKitty"
Hey, did anyone else notice a police presence where you saw the film? CR and I noticed police inside the cinema complex (although not in the actual theatre) and also outside. We kinda thought it was just because it was a Friday night and there were lots of highschool aged people there, but then I found out on another message board that there have been police at showings in other cities too.
I saw it at Rave Saturday night by myself and only saw one police cruiser outside.  I was there about an hour early and walked around the new, hip little "mall" next to the theatre and didn't see another cop there, before or after the movie.  Probably just the usual weekend rent-a-cops.

As far as the movie goes, I found myself shaking my head a lot, either in agreement or disbelief.  Most of the news footage is nothing we haven't seen before.  I think he made a convincing arguement and raised a lot of questions about the connection between the Bush's, Saudi's and Bin Ladens.  Although the Bush's and Republicans will never see the movie and try to prove him wrong, I'd like for them to try.  The court of public opinion will judge him in November I guess.  I could've done without him reciting the Patriot Act from an ice cream truck.  Rangel's quote about never reading any of the Bills was powerful enough.  The ice cream truck stunt obviously had no impact.  Neither did trying to get Congressmen/Senators to enlist their kids.  It would've been better if he would have gone straight to the kids for their opinions on the war and serving in the military.  Or he could have searched for the Ron Reagan J.-types for their dissenting opinions.

Either way, I'm in the choir on this one.  He didn't change my mind, he only strengthened my opinion.  I can't wait for the 9/11 Commission's report to be released.
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: TheShed on July 05, 2004, 03:33:53 PM
I had the pleasure of sitting behind a woman who felt the need to say "oh my god," or "OH MY GOD" at EVERYTHING that happened in the film. Occasionally, she would lift her leg up, above the seat in front of her, and sort of wave her foot back and forth, as if stretching out her ankle, or possibly just admiring her own shoes. She definitely contributed to the anger I felt after leaving the theater.
I already knew a lot about the facts Moore talked about in the film. What really disturbed me was the attitude of some of the young army guys. Listening to specific music to get pumped up to kill? Some of those comments were just really sad.
Title: Fahrenheit 9/11
Post by: postfeminist on July 05, 2004, 08:36:15 PM
just adding my 2 cents...

i'm the choir too.  i'm not the biggest moore fan because i recognize that he manipulates some of the info, but i think it's really important that some folks get even some of the info.  and i think that stuff like this contributes to conversations between people who might not ordinarily have them.

i am trying to decide whether i will try to get my parents to go see it.  they're not very open minded. :(