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Kwyjibo

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #90 on: November 16, 2017, 03:55:21 PM »


You might feel that way.  I mean, you're dead wrong, but whatever.  You feel what you want and don't let those pesky facts get in the way.

Everyone in Alabama is either a member of, or listens to Drive-By Truckers.  They all feel horrendously bad about their state' past.  And they are working very hard to change it by supporting tireless crusaders for racial equality like Sessions, Moore, and Cotton.

Epic.
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #91 on: November 16, 2017, 08:22:51 PM »

Like, are Southerners more likely to smile to POCs faces and trash them when their backs are turned?

Yes. It's the Southern way.

If a Southerner ever says to you, "bless your heart," you have been massively, supremely insulted. Because what that means is, "I think you're a complete piece of shit who is not worthy of any more of my time nor energy, and I would like to end this conversation and go now." But we've been raised to be polite.
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #92 on: November 16, 2017, 10:39:33 PM »

I don't think Richmond is all that Southern.

The problems in the city itself are exacerbated by hundreds of years of segregation for sure, but the racial problems here are typical urban issues.

There are inner city public housing projects that are pretty much entirely black.  Visitors are told to "avoid the Courts" which is what they named the projects-- Gilpin Court, Hillside Court, Creighton Court, Mosby Court, etc.  These are small, but dangerous areas.  I don't know that they have formal gangs, but people get shot there regularly.  This year has been especially bad.

Outside of the projects, the city is still largely divided into historically white areas and historically black areas.  It was designed that way.  I is not an accident that Monument Avenue is lined with statues of Lee, Jackson, and Stuart.  Or that the Downtown express cuts perfectly right at the border of the historic Fan district which is probably like 90% white, and the area South which was until recently majority black.

The only really mixed areas are the areas that are being gentrified.  And I don't consider them truly mixed because they are not stable.  For example, Jackson Ward is a historically black district.  It used to be what constituted sort of an upper-class black neighborhood (though obviously "upper class" for blacks in the early 1900's was not upper class for whites).  There's lots of cool cultural history there, eg. lots of famous jazz musicians played there.

It was a horrible area up until even a few years ago.  Lots of shootings, lots of druggies and drug sales in the open.  The houses though, are historic.  In the last few years though, it's become kind of a hipster-y area. It's much safer now, though it's very variable block-to-block.  But it's not going to stay a mixed area.  Housing prices are skyrocketing and more and more hipster bars and stuff are moving in. 

TBF, it's not really a black/white thing.  There were poor white areas in Richmond as well, eg. Oregon Hill, that in the space of really maybe five years went from a kinda horrible redneck haven with broken cars in the yards and stuff to an expensive, up-and-coming area for well-off young professionals.

There used to be a biking trail I rode on that took me through both Oregon Hill and the South of Cary/Byrd Park area.  One time I rode it and a bunch of black teens chased me down the street throwing rocks.  Then, five minutes later some white dude in Oregon Hill casually leveled his shotgun at me as a I rode past his house.  I could ride that same route now and be accompanied by 15 other bikers.  Houses in those areas are going for $300k+, which is expensive for this area.

The thing is, Richmond is ridiculously liberal.  It's filled with VCU professors, urban hipster, students, and black people.  I think Clinton got like 85 or 90% of the vote.

Also, Richmond is a good example of what drives conservatives (rightly) mad.  If you are Republican, you have no chance of getting on City Council.  And historically, the people that win are not just liberal but minorities or people that play up race issues to appeal to the black inner city.  And they are both corrupt and incompetent.  Joe Morrissey and Doug Wilder are two that have some national prominence (Morrissey particularly is a piece of work).  But there have been many others, including the last mayor.  There was one point I think where half the city council were facing Federal charges, none of them related.  The City Council has for decades been run by liberals who promise the world to minorities and/or the poor and constantly screw them over.

So there are deep and serious racial issues here.  But... culturally it's not that racist in attitude.  Black and white people don't live together, and no one goes to the projects.  But VCU is mixed.  Downtown is pretty mixed during working hours.  I walk the streets and rarely get insults thrown at me.

The suburbs are sort of the opposite.  They are kind of mixed.  Especially considering that is where all the Asians and Latinos tend to live as well.  Which makes sense.  There's more space/privacy.  People tend to have money, and suburbia tends to be pretty generic anyway.  So yeah, the malls are there and if you go you will see whites and POC's happily shopping together at the Gap.

But the suburbs have much bigger problems with race, IMO.  This is because the outer edges of the suburbs now are reaching into redneck territory.  And because of white flight type stuff.  And it's not like whites and POC's really hang out.  It's the suburbs so you go into your house and curse your black or white neighbors in private.  It's all "hidden."  Of course there are plenty-- likely the vast majority-- of just typical non-racist suburbanites out there, too.  They're only sort of structurally racist in that they are nuts about good schools, and good schools=white schools but that's a historical vestige.  They wouldn't care if a bunch of black (or more often Asian) geniuses ended up in their neighborhoods.

Then outside of the suburbs is sort of farmland which is kind of racist though not like, BAD racist.  Just people kind of stuck in the past.  They distrust outsiders and stereotype them, but race is just one stereotype.  You know, like Northerners are X, blacks are like Y, and city people are like Z.  No one's going to say anything to your face, and they will treat you nicely, and they maybe don't necessarily hate you, they just think you are different and should stay with your own type.

Then after that, it's poor white rural areas that are racist as hell.  And all of these circles are within a 30 mile radius of Richmond.

Richmond has race issues because historically it was segregated and because it is city that has typical city problems.  The 'burbs don't have race issues but they are hugely racist in that they are pulling out all the stops to prevent problems.  They won't do public housing, they won't do public transportation, they build these gigantic four lane roads that 8 cars could drive one, with a median strip in the middle.  My parents live maybe a 5-10 minute walk away from the big suburban mall in Richmond.  Except they can't walk there because there are no sidewalks.  There aren't even crosswalks.  They don't want people walking in the open.  You stay in your house, or your subdivision.

So yeah, it's pretty much a poor vs rich or urban vs suburban vs rural thing here that I would say is typical across the US.  If you go to the West Coast cities there is a greater mix of races for sure.  But the attitude/culture isn't that different. 

Cincinnati doesn't seem much different.  You are right up next to Appalachia, so you have the same rural poor types in close proximity.  You have the business centers and intellectual centers and urban hipster areas.  And the burbs.

Markalot

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #93 on: November 17, 2017, 09:15:52 AM »

Hmmm.

I am extremely prejudice against southerners.  I know it's wrong but I can't get over the thick accent.

In general (not targeted at anyone here) ...

I am growing tired of the comparisons of Roy ... I'd like to dork a 14 year old girl ... and other creeps who stick their tongues in women's mouths or pretend to fondle boobies.  I'd also like to know what kind of creep want's to jerk off in front of women.  Seriously, wtf is that anyway?  And yes, all this crap will probably be somehow related to the midterm elections.  We need more women in politics. 
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #94 on: November 17, 2017, 10:11:15 AM »

prediction:

franken will be harshly censured by congress or encouraged to remove himself from office. roy moore will not only win alabama, but will not face any penalty for his crimes.

and that's where we are in america, 2017.

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Kwyjibo

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #95 on: November 17, 2017, 10:54:01 AM »

Yeah, I know it's easy to feel that way, but I don't see any way that Roy Moore is going to get out of this like nothing happened.  You may be right about Franken, but I'm pretty sure Moore will end up going down.
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #96 on: November 17, 2017, 11:06:31 AM »

I think if all they have on Franken is that picture then he gets censured but stays.  It looks like there might be more though, and if so then he resigns, or is expelled. 

Moore also wins, but is expelled because they want that seat but they never liked Moore to start with.  They're getting what they actually wanted all along.  If they can appoint Sessions to the seat and remove him as AG even better because then they can appoint another AG who doesn't have to recuse himself from the Russia investigation.   It's a wet dream for them.

And what it is sad is that ultimately people love to bitch about Congress, but in this case they will have acted more ethically than the people.  Regardless of motivation, they will have pushed out two sexual harrassers/assaulters.  The people OTOH, will have voted Moore in.

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #97 on: November 17, 2017, 11:10:48 AM »


You might feel that way.  I mean, you're dead wrong, but whatever.  You feel what you want and don't let those pesky facts get in the way.

Everyone in Alabama is either a member of, or listens to Drive-By Truckers.  They all feel horrendously bad about their state' past.  And they are working very hard to change it by supporting tireless crusaders for racial equality like Sessions, Moore, and Cotton.

Epic.

i'll let it die after this, but i refuse to believe how epic that is.  i'm not supporting these people you know.  i also wasn't suggesting that there wasn't an ample amount of racism in the state. it could be that.  i'd wager it's more ignorance and generations of provincialism which leads people to vote like this.  i don't know, i haven't conversed with folks in the belly of america but i do know that i'd rather not label people racist so casually.  not that there aren't in fact actual racists out there
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