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Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1710 on: October 11, 2019, 02:24:47 AM »

But the GOP tried to get Cavanaugh through the process as quickly as possible, didnít they?

I think the GOP and their Fox media machine is way better at defending Trump than Trump himself.  If Trump hadnít fired Comey, the Mueller investigation would never have even happened.  So I feel like if you keep Trump in the spotlight along with his idiot advisor Giuliani, they will Col. Jessup themselves all day long and blow holes in every GOP defense strategy. And throw half their defenders u dear the bus along the way.

I think the myth is that Trump thrives under chaos.  He sucks at it.  What he also sucks at is being patient and playing the long game.  What heís good at doing is creating chaos. And moving fast and blitzing people with a mountain of bullshit it takes them days to dig out under, after which he has moved to something else.

If youíre to have an organized, tight, plan Trump will wreck it every time.  You cannot steer the conversation.  But the Democrats here probably have a mountain of transcripts and documents and witnesse to go through. So to me, just trot those out slowly, one by one... largely do nothing... and let Trump do the rest.  I think the Dems try to hard to break Tumpís defenses thinking it will shut him up.   They should do the opposite and let him just keep talking.  Pelosi is actually pretty good at this.  Schiff is not.



Markalot

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1711 on: October 11, 2019, 10:18:27 AM »

No argument that given enough time Trump self destructs, but my concern is some of the dems, especially those in tight races, fold.  Many of them are younger and have limited political experience.  I feel like they'll freak out and fold before Trump has a chance to implode.
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Zafer Kaya

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« Reply #1712 on: October 11, 2019, 04:30:29 PM »

Yeah, it's a good point.

Not just the moderate Dems folding but also keeping the radical types in line.  The idea is to slow roll this. It doesn't work if people jump ahead with accusations based on rumors or overly harsh attacks where they point out everything at once to try and "get" Trump.  Just slooowly release the evidence one bit at a time so Trump has to react to every single one.

Zafer Kaya

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« Reply #1713 on: October 18, 2019, 01:12:34 AM »

Pretty sure the non-impeachment vote is a trap.  At least thatís what I would do.

I mean, the testimony is more or less irrelevant since Trump has said he did it, then publicly asked both Ukraine and China to investigate Trump.

So I would hold these ďclosed doorĒ hearings and let the GOP whine about how everyone is lying and the whole thing is rigged.

Then, after a couple of months I would move for formal impeachment, and then have public hearings so that people can testify publicly the same things theyíve been saying.  And let the GOP have the subpoena power. The committee still gets the final vote (just as they did in Clintonís impeachment).   GOP is whining about something that wonít actually help them and that they donít want.  And of course the first person subpoenaed will be Trump.

I mean, itís not going to matter because Trumpís base doesnít care what he does.  Nothing the Dems can do about that. But tactically, theyíre doing the right thing.

Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1714 on: October 28, 2019, 05:05:39 PM »

I'm wondering whether I should even bother to formally vote this time since I will just be handing in a blank ballot.

I have a rule that I never vote for anyone who is running unopposed, so that knocks off two races. 

There is a third race that is technically contested, but it's a Democrat who will win by one zillion (and who I don't mind) against a rando Libertarian hippy type who seems like a nice dude but has no idea what he's doing.  So that's really an uncontested race.

Last race is actually kind of pivotal because it's a House of Delegates seat and the House is currently tied.  The seat in question has been held by moderate Republicans for ages until last time around it flipped to a Democrat.  The Democrat is awful both as a politician and a person so I cannot vote for her again.  Republican is actually a young guy and traditional local conservative.  All about helping local business, no Trump stuff.  I would normally not have a problem voting for him, except I can't vote GOP right now.  I don't care how moderate this guy claims to be, I'm pretty sure he's still going to vote with the far right GOP freaks, and I can't hand them a majority.

So yeah, is it worth to vote just to formally abstain from voting?

euro60

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1715 on: October 29, 2019, 11:29:24 AM »

So yeah, is it worth to vote just to formally abstain from voting?
I'm pretty much in the same boat. Still, I cannot NOT go the poll. I've always said that, no matter what, I will always exercise my constitutional right to vote. I may end up writing in names. My son or daughter, either of them would be terrific and fiercely independent.
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Dan

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1716 on: October 29, 2019, 11:48:24 AM »

I get voting day off. I feel obligated to go to the polls just for that reason alone.
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« Reply #1717 on: October 30, 2019, 10:39:40 PM »

i like voting day.  besides, we always get donuts after
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Markalot

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1718 on: November 01, 2019, 11:15:25 PM »

I have a reason to vote, decent governors race, but that's it. 
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1719 on: November 02, 2019, 01:27:10 AM »

Kentucky, I take it? 

Man, how awful is Bevin where he might actually lose as an incumbent Republican fully aligned with Trump during a good economy in just about the reddest state possible?  I donít even think he has any big criminal scandals, does he?  People just think heís that much of a dick. 

Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1720 on: November 05, 2019, 10:35:33 PM »

Democrats flip both branches of General Assembly.

They did better than I thought in the House, a little worse than I thought in the Senate.

But not a single Democrat incumbent lost an election, so the blue wave from last election seems permanent.  Especially when you factor in the areas in Virginia that are growing.  And on top of that the Dems control redistricting so they can ungerrymander or gerrymander in their favor. 

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« Reply #1721 on: November 06, 2019, 12:12:48 PM »

Kentucky, I take it? 

Man, how awful is Bevin where he might actually lose as an incumbent Republican fully aligned with Trump during a good economy in just about the reddest state possible?  I donít even think he has any big criminal scandals, does he?  People just think heís that much of a dick.

i mostly forgotten about it, but he took on the teacher's union and a bunch of them picked up pickets.  bevin losing will probably ensure the bluegrass stays red as the markalots dust off their maga hats saying, never thunk i'd see the day
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1722 on: November 06, 2019, 01:28:50 PM »

I would be shocked if Trump failed to win KY by at least 20% in 2020.

I think what happened in KY is less a sea change from red to blue, but rather that Trump tactics don't play that well for the party as a whole.  Even among people who are socially conservative and anti-immigration and all that stuff.  The policy wasn't the problem for Bevin.  Bevin being a complete dickhead was the problem.

There's some level at which conservatives totally accept that Trump is a dick, and in fact he's kind of a hero for being a dick.  They see it as self-sacrifice, when the reality is Trump is just a dick.  But at any rate, he's like the heroic soldier they send out to do awful things because someone has to do it.  He's their weapon of last choice against a faceless teeming horde of evil socialists.

But at the local and state level, things are much different than at the national level.  There are no progressive left antifa raping socialists in KY.  Their awful liberal is like, Ashley Judd.  In the war against liberals, no one wants to see Ashley Judd get shot.  They send Trump off to DC to fight the war precisely to avoid that stuff at home.

The policy isn't the question as much as character and demeanor.  They will vote for Mike Pence types all day.  They won't necessarily vote for Trump types.  They don't want a moderate, but they do want someone who doesn't treat their own people like shit, even if those people are semi-liberal.

If the GOP were smart that's who they'd run at every level other than maybe President and the Senate.  Family-values oriented moms.  Nice people with extremely socially conservative small town values.  But I don't think there's enough people left in the party where they can organize that.  It's too overrun with psychos.

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1723 on: November 06, 2019, 02:13:36 PM »

I would be hard pressed to call this a blue wave in Kentucky.  Bevin is just that much of a prick.  Trump will likely carry Kentucky in 2020, and I have no doubt that McConnell will be reelected as well.  You also have to consider that Kentucky gubernatorial races have historically gone to democrats, no matter how right leaning the state is as a whole.  No republican incumbent has ever been reelected in Kentucky (only one other has tried).

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Dan

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1724 on: November 06, 2019, 06:07:34 PM »

You also have to consider that Kentucky gubernatorial races have historically gone to democrats, no matter how right leaning the state is as a whole.  No republican incumbent has ever been reelected in Kentucky (only one other has tried).

Huh. Any insights (from anyone here) as to why?
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