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euro60

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1770 on: February 12, 2020, 12:53:20 PM »

So after last night it's looking more and more like Bernie has a very good chance of becoming the Democratic nominee.

If that happens, America will have the choice between two white males, both well into their 70s. One is a fascist, the other a socialist. Yea, that is what this country has come to...
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Zafer Kaya

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« Reply #1771 on: February 12, 2020, 03:35:31 PM »

I'm pretty disappointed in the supposed heartland Democrats/Never Trumpers/Obama-to-Trump voters.

They could have gotten behind any number of moderate candidates.  Corey Booker is a pretty conservative and smart guy.  Harris is...very annoying..but also really politically astute.  Yang to me is actually a Republican (before the GOP went off the rails).  But nope.  They wanted Biden, who actually isn't all that moderate, he just goes with the flow. 

At some point, it was inevitable that people would be like "Wait, why are we all supporting Biden?  Just because we think he has the best chance of winning?  And that chance is mostly based on he's an old white dude who appeals to old white dudes? Naw, screw that."

Bernie is not a Socialist, man. I know he calls himself that, and compared to the rest of the candidates it's kind of fair.  But in most of Europe he'd just be typical center-left.  I don't really like him as a President either, but I'm not digging the way we are splitting the country between facists and socialists.  It's too knee-jerk.  And it actually fuels the Bernie supporters just like calling Trump supporters "deplorable" fueled them.

I don't have a solution, though.  I do legit find Trump supporters deplorable.  When they say I'm trying to destroy their culture, they're right.  I don't think that means I have to do the opposite of Trump (which I guess is Bernie, to most people).  But my brand of moderate isn't going to sell to the public. I still hate Trump every bit much as Bernie supporters.  Actually a lot more than they do, since some Trump and Bernie share that populist appeal to the same groups I want to crush.

euro60

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1772 on: February 12, 2020, 04:00:45 PM »

I'll end up voting whoever is the Democratic nominee, but if I had my choice, I'd rather have Pete, Amy or Bloomberg.

I think Biden is hanging on by a thread at this point, as is Warren. I figure Warren will be gone by end of February (right after South Carolina), and Biden after Super Tuesday. The big unknown is what impact Bloomberg will have on Super Tuesday. By then Bloomberg will have spent half a billion dollars, repeat HALF A BILLION DOLLARS. Of course that's just a few scraps of his reported worth of 61.5 billion.
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Zafer Kaya

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« Reply #1773 on: February 13, 2020, 08:59:56 PM »

I'll end up voting whoever is the Democratic nominee

Yeah, that's how we get screwed, unfortunately.  We will vote for Bernie or whoever if we had to.  Many of the Bernie Bros/Yang Gang wouldn't do the same.  I don't see a choice, though.

It's frustrating because Virginia turned blue by running a lot of moderate or at least not too far left candidates and they are getting a shit ton done.  We passed ERA, decriminalized weed, allowed localities to decide what to do with statues instead of the state, gun control. Replaced Lee-Jackson day with a holiday on election day.  All of these Bill's that had languished for years all sailed through in 3 weeks.  You don't need to go all out left to get stuff done. 

I'm puzzled by why people think Barr's statements today are so meaningful.  He thinks Trump is a hard guy to work for.  That is 100% true because Trump is an incompetent dick.  But it doesn't mean Barr is going to deviate from his view of the unitary executive.  He works for Trump, he just wishes Trump weren't an imbecile.  Basically, "I could have gotten this whole Stone thing done a lot easier if Trump wouldn't tweet."  He sees nothing wrong with it, just wish it had been easier.

If Bernie wins, and it looks like VA is locked up blue, I'll vote trade with you if you want, euro60.  You vote Sanders and I will write in Kasich.

Zafer Kaya

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« Reply #1774 on: February 27, 2020, 09:47:44 AM »

I wish we had ranked voting in primaries, because my vote is "Anyone and everyone except Bernie Sanders" but I can't vote that way.  I have to pick one of three or four candidates who will then end up splitting delegates and then none of them wins.

Maybe it doesn't matter.  Is there a candidate who can beat both Sanders AND Trump?  I don't think so.

What really sucks is that Sanders is the candidate I have the most personal respect for by far.  But I always said that if I ever saw a bunch of assholes on left, I'd do what the right should have done and try and stop them.  And the Bernie Bros/CTH/Dirt Bag left are no different than the alt-right.  Except, if I don't vote for Sanders in the general election, then I'm enabling the alt-right.  So one way or another, I'm enabling a horrible group of people.



euro60

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« Reply #1775 on: March 02, 2020, 04:23:05 PM »

Pete drops out, and now Amy drops out.

That leaves: Bernie, Biden, Warren, Bloomberg. Am I forgetting anyone?

So: the ultra-left against the most moderates within the Democrats.

Tomorrow is the big day!
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1776 on: March 02, 2020, 04:30:15 PM »

Tulsi Gabbard.  But she appears to have gone insane.

euro60

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« Reply #1777 on: March 02, 2020, 04:33:45 PM »

Tulsi Gabbard.  But she appears to have gone insane.
I don't even know who that is. So I'll stick to the Big Four.

I read in the NYT that Biden's on-the-ground campaign in California is pretty much non-existent and that his LA campaing office was literally deserted, just days before Super Tuesday. I'm thinking we may go down to the last w being Bernie and Bloomberg.
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1778 on: March 02, 2020, 04:46:44 PM »

I would be shocked if that were the case, although tbf Biden does have a propensity for shooting himself in the foot.

Everyone I know has been bracing for a Biden v Sanders situation for two weeks.  They don't think Bloomberg has a chance after his debate performance, stop-and-frisk and the sexual harassment stuff.  Nor would they be interested in voting for him even if they thought he did.

notoriouspbake

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1779 on: March 02, 2020, 10:59:45 PM »

warren? where is the coverage for warren? why is she not mentioned?
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Zafer Kaya

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« Reply #1780 on: March 03, 2020, 12:12:40 AM »

I suspect Warren will soon be getting a lot more coverage.   She's the Democrat outreach to progressive voters and occupies the middle ground between the moderates and Sanders.  She has almost no chance of winning but a greater degree of influence than that because of the niche she's in. 

My respect for her has risen some, though.  She actually has some decent ideas and actual fleshed out ideas.  They are too far left still to get passed as a whole but there's some nuggets in there that are workable and a decent starting point.  She ran the way Sanders should have run in 2016, so the Dems will probably try to reward her a bit if she goes against Sanders.  But she's actually earned consideration for a position as well, because like I said she has shown some substance.  I still don't know if I fully trust her but she is smart as hell.   I think that her best chance to make a difference now is to back the Dems and become a Senate leader or line up a cabinet position.  She is on the down low running the wonkiest campaign out of everyone.

I think that she and Bernie could also patch up their personal differences, but not sure how Bernie's base feels.  Then again they are massive hypocrites so perhaps it would not be a big deal.  They loved her in 2016, now they hate her,  they could probably love her again. And then hate her all over again.

I wish that the moderates had picked anyone but Biden, and that Sanders hadn't gone Trump 2.0.  But we are kind of locked in now. 

Butter

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1781 on: March 03, 2020, 07:14:33 AM »

Warren is by far my personal favorite of who is left.  I will vote for her if she is even still in the race by 3/17.  But I don't get a good feeling about it.

I view the Democratic Party like the Cincinnati Reds now.  They are too stupid and short-sighted to see that they needed to just blow it up a while ago and give it to the youngsters / non-establishment candidate.  The party is behind Biden, I guess just because he's been super-loyal to the party or whatever.  But fuck that.  We need to win and win now, and he gives me the least good feelings about winning, because he is an idiot.  I'll vote the shit out of him vs. Trump, but are you really going to feel good about it?  No.
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Zafer Kaya

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« Reply #1782 on: March 03, 2020, 09:42:53 AM »

I wanted to vote Warren, but I'm more anti-Sanders than I am pro-Warren.

I voted Biden and walked away angry.  I don't think he can win.  I also don't think Sanders can win.  So... we're pretty much screwed.

I don't think the Democrats as a party are to blame for this though.  The young people who could have energized the party all decided to vote for 78 year old non-Democrat.  Pretty sure the DNC was not too hyped about either Biden or Sanders as candidates, but now they have no choice but to get behind Biden.


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Butter

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1783 on: March 04, 2020, 07:22:14 AM »

Young people never vote.  Old people always turnout.  That's why we have what we have.  Expecting them to all of a sudden turnout for whatever reason is a fool's errand.
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Zafer Kaya

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« Reply #1784 on: March 04, 2020, 03:02:34 PM »

I don't expect them to vote, but why can't they just be grunge-y depressed cyincal slacking non-participants like we were?

They all pushed Sanders so hard like total dickheads and then couldn't even bother to vote, and now they want to blame the system for screwing over Sanders.

I didn't want to vote for Biden.  I got pushed into it because all the candidates in the middle, most of whom were younger and had at least a little energy about them got zero traction. 

It seems like the younger crowd were like "Sanders or fuck you!" and then promptly fucked themselves by not voting.  Now they're going to be all mad and more radical, and they're going to treat me as the enemy for voting for Biden.  I didn't want to vote for that jackass.  I'm pissed you forced me into it.
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