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Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #930 on: December 27, 2017, 06:24:04 PM »

as i don't see much compromise between the parties, or any type of meaningful working together for the betterment of their constituents (tax cut vote), i'm about to the point of voting a straight party ticket against whoever is the majority for whatever legislative body. not that it matters in michigan. surprisingly, outside of metro detroit, michigan the state votes (read gerrymandered) republican. unless i'm mistaken, republicans have comfortable margins in both houses of congress in the state and a GOP governor as well.

I donít know.  Itís pretty hard right now.

There is no way in hell I will ever vote for Trump if he lasts that long.  And given the state of the GOP, I find it extremely unlikely I would ever vote for whoever else wins the nom.  OTOH, I find it hard to imagine myself pulling the lever for Sanders, Warren, or Gillenbrand.

I may vote third party or sit it out, but that has problems, too.  Itís never a good idea to ragequit.  Especially when it is not actually possible to quit the US, at least not via vote.

If the voters wanted politicians to be bipartisan, they would be.  Itís kind of a trap to feel like it is  me against the system when it is really just me against the vast majority of voters.

euro60

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #931 on: December 29, 2017, 03:21:33 PM »


If the voters wanted politicians to be bipartisan, they would be.  Itís kind of a trap to feel like it is  me against the system when it is really just me against the vast majority of voters.
Exactly. People get the politicians they deserve.

It's worth reminding that turnout for the 2016 presidential elections was a "massive" 55%. Meaning almost HALF the entire country's voters couldn't be bothered, even with all of the massively available "early voting". Maybe, just maybe, after 4 years of Trump, some of those 45% non-voters CAN be bothered enough to vote.

Also keeps me wondering how many of those 45% non-voters have bitched and complained about the state of the country.If any of them do, shame on them. If you don't vote, don't bitch.
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Butter

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #932 on: December 30, 2017, 11:38:53 PM »

I would be interested to see what voter turnout numbers are like without the massive coordinated suppression of poor and minority voters that happens in red states now.
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #933 on: December 31, 2017, 08:43:05 PM »

They would still be massively shitty, wouldnít they?  I mean maybe best case scenario you get another 5%.  That is still awful.

It always kind of bugs me when people applaud participation.  Like the recent articles where they are all like ďWe all need to thank African-American women for voting out Moore.Ē  Then do I also get to blame those same women for not showing up to vote in the Presidential election?

We also applaud independent voters, who to me are largely ill-informed and temperamental.  How do you vote for Obama, then turn around and vote for Trump?  Or you are okay with Sanders or Trump?  They could not be more different.

The Republican attempt to strip the vote from the opposition should be a MUCH bigger deal than it is.  You are attacking the basic tenets of a fee society.  But people donít care.  Massive amounts of people voted for Obama because he was black.  I like Obamacare, but I still have difficulty with that. 

I donít think people have to vote.  If you have thought it over carefully and considered everything and neither candidate does it for you, then your non-vote still registers a preference.  Same with third party votes, or really any vote.

The American public are largely fucking idiots.  It diesnít Matter whether they vote or who they vote for.  They will still end up with lousy government because they are so easily played for suckers.

dirk

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #934 on: December 31, 2017, 09:52:13 PM »

The Republican attempt to strip the vote from the opposition should be a MUCH bigger deal than it is.  You are attacking the basic tenets of a fee society.  But people donít care.  Massive amounts of people voted for Obama because he was black.  I like Obamacare, but I still have difficulty with that. 
To be fair, a lot of people voted against Obama because he was black as well. I would guess probably around the same amount that voted for him solely because he was black. The thing is, Obama was a lot more than just black. Ben Carson showed that just being black won't get you votes. He was a charismatic guy running on a solid platform, that is what got him elected. The fact that he was black was just icing on the cake.
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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #935 on: January 11, 2018, 07:56:41 PM »

It wasn't that long ago that the Libertarian ticket was Bob Barr and Wayne Allyn Root.  An establishment Republican and a crazy Trump-like, conspiracy-touting, fairly sketchy character.

Yes, but if you call his 1-900 number you can get his 5-Star, Lock of the Year on the Patriots/Titans game, ABSOLUTELY FREE!!!
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