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dirk

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1455 on: January 10, 2019, 07:33:28 AM »

well, i mean, it's a better deterrent than no wall.  don't we already have walls that are effective?  the berlin wall isn't a good example for a host of reasons.  what about the great wall of china?  that seemed to work

i'm sure trump has scaled down what he wants in a wall.  the initial video i saw had a track running along atop the perimeter with roving surveillance.  thirty feet by thirty feet, is that what they're calling for now?  sounds formidable

just so you're keeping score, i'm an open borders person at heart.  so how do you deal with the situation?   
The great wall is nothing like what are talking about. It was mainly built to keep out cavalry units. It had nothing to do with keeping individuals from moving about. It was also constructed with where natural borders like rivers were not available. And even then, it was broken through numerous times.

As for the "wall", the last Trump said was that it wasn't going to be a wall (he has in fact stopped referring to it as such). It is now a long line of steel spikes. He has no idea what he wants, because it doesn't matter. The only thing he wants is to be able to say he built the wall he promised. If people are willing to trek thousands of miles, through harsh desert conditions, dealing with criminals and rapists, you think a wall at the end is what is going to make them change their minds? Nevermind the fact that most illegal immigration and drugs do not come across the southern border (and pretty much no terrorists).
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Markalot

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1456 on: January 10, 2019, 05:02:19 PM »

well, i mean, it's a better deterrent than no wall.  don't we already have walls that are effective?  the berlin wall isn't a good example for a host of reasons.  what about the great wall of china?  that seemed to work

i'm sure trump has scaled down what he wants in a wall.  the initial video i saw had a track running along atop the perimeter with roving surveillance.  thirty feet by thirty feet, is that what they're calling for now?  sounds formidable

just so you're keeping score, i'm an open borders person at heart.  so how do you deal with the situation?   

No, it's NOT.  If anything a wall gives cover to those who want to get over or under it.  The best answer is a combination of technologies that typically does not involve a physical wall.  Have you ever gone on google maps, found the border, zoomed in to a reasonable distance, and traversed it.   The wall is a silly idea ... but to paraphrase Howard Stern, morons understand WALL. 
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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1457 on: January 11, 2019, 12:15:30 PM »

well, i mean, it's a better deterrent than no wall.  don't we already have walls that are effective?  the berlin wall isn't a good example for a host of reasons.  what about the great wall of china?  that seemed to work

i'm sure trump has scaled down what he wants in a wall.  the initial video i saw had a track running along atop the perimeter with roving surveillance.  thirty feet by thirty feet, is that what they're calling for now?  sounds formidable

just so you're keeping score, i'm an open borders person at heart.  so how do you deal with the situation?   
The great wall is nothing like what are talking about. It was mainly built to keep out cavalry units. It had nothing to do with keeping individuals from moving about. It was also constructed with where natural borders like rivers were not available. And even then, it was broken through numerous times.

As for the "wall", the last Trump said was that it wasn't going to be a wall (he has in fact stopped referring to it as such). It is now a long line of steel spikes. He has no idea what he wants, because it doesn't matter. The only thing he wants is to be able to say he built the wall he promised. If people are willing to trek thousands of miles, through harsh desert conditions, dealing with criminals and rapists, you think a wall at the end is what is going to make them change their minds? Nevermind the fact that most illegal immigration and drugs do not come across the southern border (and pretty much no terrorists).

in terms of length i mean.  that desert is a far better barrier than the wall.  it's not like you need to police it all that much in the summer.  imagine more humanitarian presence than armed surveillance 
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1458 on: January 17, 2019, 10:31:21 AM »

WTF is Giuliani doing?  Literally every time he does an interview he gets Trump in deeper trouble.  Since the day he took over.

There's only three possibilities.  Giuliani is the most incompetent attorney in the history of the world.  Giuliani is covertly trying to sabotage Trump for some reason, except he's not being all that covert about it.  Trump is in much, much bigger trouble than we know about and Giuliani is just trying to get ahead of the game.

Only the last option really makes sense.

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« Reply #1459 on: January 17, 2019, 10:41:53 AM »

From Washington Post:

Let’s walk through the de-evolution of the Trump team’s collusion denials — a list we’ve updated below.

1. November 2016: No communications, period

Hope Hicks: “It never happened. There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign.”

2. February 2017: There were no communications, “to the best of our knowledge”

Sarah Sanders: “This is a non-story because, to the best of our knowledge, no contacts took place.”

3. March 2017: There were communications, but no planned meetings with Russians

Donald Trump Jr.: “Did I meet with people that were Russian? I’m sure, I’m sure I did. . . . But none that were set up. None that I can think of at the moment. And certainly none that I was representing the campaign in any way, shape or form.”

4. July 8, 2017: There was a planned meeting at Trump Tower, but it was “primarily” about adoption and not the campaign

Trump Jr.: “We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at that time and there was no follow-up.”

5. July 9, 2017: The meeting was planned to discuss the campaign, but the information exchanged wasn't “meaningful”

Trump Jr.: “No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”

6. December 2017: Collusion isn't even a crime

President Trump: “There is no collusion, and even if there was, it’s not a crime.”

Jay Sekulow: “For something to be a crime, there has to be a statute that you claim is being violated. There is not a statute that refers to criminal collusion. There is no crime of collusion.”

(Technically speaking, the criminal code doesn't use the word “collusion,” but it's generally understood as a broad term that could encompass more specific, codified crimes. And even special counsel Robert S. Mueller III's team has used it in court filings.)

7. May 16, 2018: Even if meaningful information were obtained, it wasn't used

Giuliani: “And even if it comes from a Russian, or a German, or an American, it doesn’t matter. And they never used it, is the main thing. They never used it. They rejected it. If there was collusion with the Russians, they would have used it.”

[One thing, Rudy Giuliani: The Trump campaign *did* use it.]

8. May 19, 2018: There was a *second* planned meeting about foreign help in the election, but nothing came of it either

The New York Times reported Sunday on yet another meeting about getting foreign help with the 2016 election. This one came three months before the election and featured Donald Trump Jr. and an emissary, George Nader, who said the princes who lead Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates wanted to assist Trump.

Alan Futerfas, Trump Jr.'s attorney: "They pitched Mr. Trump Jr. on a social media platform or marketing strategy. He was not interested, and that was the end of it.”

9. July 16, 2018: Trump couldn't collude, because Trump didn't even know Putin

Trump: "There was no collusion. I didn't know the president. There was nobody to collude with."

10. July 30, 2018: Collusion isn't a crime, and Trump wasn't physically at the Trump Tower meeting

With Michael Cohen alleging that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting in real time — despite many previous denials — Giuliani told both CNN and Fox News that Trump wasn't physically at the meeting.

"I’m happy to tell Mueller that Trump wasn’t at the Trump Tower meeting,” Giuliani told CNN, adding that "Don Jr. says he wasn’t there.”

He added on Fox: “He did not participate in any meeting about the Russia transaction. . . . And the other people at the meeting that he claims he had without the president about it say he was never there.”

Giuliani also argued that collusion isn't even a crime.

“I don’t even know if that’s a crime — colluding with Russians,” Giuliani said on CNN. “Hacking is the crime. The president didn’t hack. He didn’t pay for the hacking.”

And on Fox: “I have been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime. Collusion is not a crime.”

11. January 16, 2019: Trump didn’t collude, but no guarantees on others in the campaign

The exchange with Cuomo:

GIULIANI: I never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign --

CUOMO: Yes, you have. 

GIULIANI: I have no idea -- I have not. I said the president of the United States. There is not a single bit of evidence the president of the United States committed the only crime you could commit here -- conspired with the Russians to hack the DNC. 

CUOMO: First of all, crime is not the bar of accountability for a president. It’s about what you knew --

GIULIANI: Well, he didn’t collude with Russia either! 

CUOMO: -- what was right, and what was wrong, and what did you deceive about? Those are going to be major considerations.

GIULIANI: The president did not collude with the Russians.

(CROSSTALK)

CUOMO: He said nobody had any contact, tons of people had contact.  Nobody colluded, the guy running his campaign -- 

GIULIANI: He didn’t say nobody -- 

CUOMO: -- was working on an issue at the same time as the convention. 

GIULIANI: He said he didn’t. He didn’t say nobody. How would you know that nobody in your campaign --

CUOMO: He actually did say that, Rudy. He said, nobody, and then he said, as far as I know. 

(CROSSTALK)

GIULIANI:  Well, as far as he knows, it’s true.
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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1460 on: January 17, 2019, 03:49:02 PM »

But just because you CAN stop people at the border, doesn’t mean you should.  The border not being secure is a POTENTIAL problem.  It’s not an actual problem.  We don’t need to deport every illegal immigrant because they’re probably either providing us a net benefit, or we are breaking even.  We are not being overrun with rapists and terrrorists.  It would cost a shit load of money to hunt down and deport all of them.

Not to mention that it would likely destroy our economy for quite some time.
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1461 on: January 17, 2019, 07:48:53 PM »

I am 100% unconcerned if the Shut Down results in a pissing contest between Trump and Pelosi that makes them look bad.

In fact, if that is what is going to happen, let's draw this thing out another two weeks.

euro60

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« Reply #1462 on: January 17, 2019, 11:12:03 PM »

In fact, if that is what is going to happen, let's draw this thing out another two weeks.
Another 2 weeks?? I see no end to this for much longer than that. Trump has gone all in, and a compromise on The Wall will now be a complete "loss of face" for Trump. And I don't see the Dems ready to agree to Trump's demand for a 5+ billion Wall.

This is what is has come down to, really. It's an epic showdown, and we are just spectators. I feel sorry for the federal workers forced to work for no pay.
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Markalot

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« Reply #1463 on: January 18, 2019, 10:48:17 AM »

In a week or so air travel will start to be effected as the people making 35K a year for the TSA have to find another job to make ends meet.  This is where the economic risk comes in.  If level heads don't prevail, or congress doesn't take back power from the president by passing a veto proof bill, then things get really ugly. 
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« Reply #1464 on: January 18, 2019, 04:46:07 PM »

If it is indeed true that Trump directed Cohen to lie to Congress about Trump's business deals in Russia, can Trump survive that?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/18/five-big-takeaways-stunning-report-that-trump-told-cohen-lie/?utm_term=.d2e7f485384e

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dirk

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« Reply #1465 on: January 18, 2019, 05:37:26 PM »

I think he survives. The problem is, the people supporting him (and that includes most of the GOP) will refuse to believe he did it unless there is clear, indisputable evidence of it. Unless there is a recording of him actually saying "I want you to lie to congress" they will just say it is fake news and more lies. If it exists as an email, they will just say it was faked. If he doesn;t say it extremely explicitly, they will just say that isn't what he meant.
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euro60

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« Reply #1466 on: January 18, 2019, 05:48:21 PM »

I tend to agree with that.

But the WaPo article seems to indicate that there may be more concrete "evidence" that we know right now, maybe even tapes.

Man, I would be the happiest guy if that buffoon goes down. One can always dream.
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« Reply #1467 on: January 19, 2019, 02:17:56 PM »

apparently, a kid from covington catholic was a real turd to a native american during the indigenous peoples march on friday in DC. oh, my. the internet backlash.... this kid has no idea the ramifications of his actions.

https://splinternews.com/white-students-in-maga-hats-taunt-harass-native-americ-1831894825

i shared this as it's local to most of you, and i teach at a catholic school that also sent boys to the right for life march, who just as easily, could've run across the indigenous peoples march and made such a horrendous choice.
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Zafer Kaya

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« Reply #1468 on: January 19, 2019, 08:58:52 PM »

That kid has most punchable face ever.  I think even half the Trump supporters would love to kick his ass.

I think Trump supporters are all racist, but they're not THAT kind of racist.  They just want to live in good old 50's white America where they didn't have to deal with POC's.  Of course it's a pipe dream, and of course it's not like they would actually split the wealth. 

But I don't think most of them think it is cool to go out of their way to overtly be dickheads to them.  Not a Vietnam vet who isn't bothering anyone, anyway.

Also, I wonder if they appreciate the irony of yelling "Build the wall" at Native Americans. 

But I don't feel one bit bad for those kids.  This isn't someone who got mad and dropped the N-word at someone more to insult them than because they are truly racist.  It's not some kid on a date, either.  It's not some white guy from a poor neighborhood where they got picked on by black kids and probably actually encounters some reverse racism.  Or some kid just trying to be a bad ass on Facebook and rebel.

It's a private school kid.  And the whole school contingent is there, apparently including chaperones and no one did a thing. That was a very thought out move and I bet this kid is an incredible knob.  And yes, including towards white people.  It will be hard for him to live this down, but this is also unfortunately the only way he is ever going to learn.  Which he probably won't anyway but at least now he has a chance. He clearly isn't going to learn this at school or at home.  It'll be rough for him, but can you really say he doesn't deserve it?  And if he truly learns from this, it'll be the best thing that ever happened to him in his life.

Markalot

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« Reply #1469 on: January 19, 2019, 10:48:29 PM »

How old is this kid?   I think it's so cool that we can destroy a kids life for acting like a dumb ass teenager.  I'm sure we've never done anything regrettable between the ages oif 16 and 20, right.  I know I was a fucking angel.  The kid needs punished, he's being a moron, but he might not BE a moron. 

Cov Cath is a pompous school anyway, go St Henry!  :)

Jesus (pun intended).  I see 20 kids that will probably be expelled.  That's their fucking parents IMO, how embarrassing.  Unfortunately these kids will be permanent racists now due to the way it will probably be handled.  I hope I'm wrong.
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