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Markalot

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1530 on: March 05, 2019, 06:12:21 PM »

I think all politicians will look the other way, they're scum bags.

I'm looking forward to post Trump when republicans will either continue to be the party they've become, spend + cut + crony capitalism, or "reform".    I can't imagine history looking kindly on this group of corrupt followers of the Trump.
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euro60

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1531 on: March 05, 2019, 10:40:56 PM »

The Republicans are going to reap what they have been sowing for the last 2 decades (more or less): divisiveness, lies, spending (and more spending), and anything else to grab power.

The electorate will wake up in due course, I am sure of it.

I am not a fan of the Democrats, mind you. But where the last 2 decades of the GOP madness has gone, must be stopped. And I'm saying that as a former GOP-voter.

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Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1532 on: March 06, 2019, 11:19:30 PM »

You know whatís funny?

I donít have stats to back it up, but my strong suspicion is that immigrants are less liberal than the average US white guy liberal, and quite likely somewhat right overall.

Conservatives fear immigrants because they come from Socialist or non-Christian or places with other cultural values in some way.  What they are missing is that those people LEFT those countries.

They CHOSE to become US citizens.  So they appreciate the traditional American values and mythos.  They came here for a better life in some way, and they found it.  Why would they want big changes?

I would guess they are even somewhat moderate to conservative on immigration itself.  If you left some ďshitholeĒ country to come to the US, why would you want to open the doors to the same assholes you tried to get away from?

In my experience, most first generation US-born citizens are more liberal than their immigrant parents.  I see myself as an American who is sometimes made not to feel welcome in my own country.  And I side with other American born minorities people who experience the same issues.  Whereas my parents really donít care as much about African Americans or non-Chinese immigrants. They didnít grow up around black and Hispanic kids.

I am not trying to say that Conservatives should be crushing the minority vote.  But all they need is like, 30% instead of 10%.  And it isnít just immigrants they can pick off.  LatinX and African Americans tend to be religious and probably more socially conservative.  Gay people tend to have higher incomes as a group.

You donít even have to appeal to ALL minorities.  Asians are plenty pissed off about affirmative action policies at universities.  The only thing that keeps them lukewarm about siding with the GOP on this is probably college educated people like myself who went to college and saw all the dumbshit white, rich kids who got in because of $$ and connections.  We know itís not actually about qualifications. 

The reason the GOP does so poorly among minorities is because they are total racist dicks to them.  Not that minorities arenít racist themselves, but obviously Chinese people are going to be less Anti-Chinese, etc.  They can tell the GOP does not like them, regardless of their political beliefs or cultural values. 

The American values that Conservatives are so afraid of losing are not dying.  And if they are, they are probably under greater assault from multi-generation US liberals than from minorities/immigrants.  The only thing that the US is losing is itís whiteness, which of course is actually what the current GOP is about.

So I donít know where the GOP goes from here.  Hopefully straight to hell.  But I think actual, non-racist conservative values are not going anywhere.  Whether a third party emerges or a new GOP that is essentially a third party rises frim the ashes, or maybe moderate conservatives infiltrate the Democratic Party and move it to the right.. I donít know.  But the current GOP has to be stopped for non-crazy people everywhere in the US and the world.

euro60

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1533 on: March 06, 2019, 11:40:47 PM »

agreed on all points... and of course I am a PROUD (legal) immigrant to the US
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1534 on: March 13, 2019, 02:19:56 PM »

Yeah see, this is exactly what happens when you tell everyone that the only reason why Trump abusing executive powers is bad is because it opens the door to Democrats doing it.  The Senate tries to pass a resolution allowing Trump to do it, but no one else. 

It's wrong when Trump does it, it's wrong when anyone does it.  It's not just wrong when Democrats do it.

How long before Trump tries another BS Executive Order and the Senate rolls over again.  This is WORSE than just punting on your constitutional checks and balances.  At least if you just punt, then at least every President can do it.  It's a change in the balance of power, but it's at least neutral as far as party.  This is just "Republicans can do whatever they want, but Democrats can't."
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1535 on: March 17, 2019, 02:44:59 PM »

I like how Theresa May is all "No more vote on whether to remain.  We did that already, and the voters have spoken.  How many times can we vote on somerhing?!?  PS Pleasepleaseplease can we vote yet again on my Brexit plan?  See, because I lost that one."

I hate blaming politicians for the acts of crazy people.  But damn, why does Trump have to be hypocritical super dick about it?  Remember that whole "Hey Muslims need to speak out against terrorism or they are terrorists themselves" thing?

Also good job Bernie sis. "You can't call Omar anti-Semitic for criticizing AIPAC.  It's a group, not a race.  Know the difference.  Hillary Clinton is anti-Muslim for criticizing Omar!" 

dirk

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1536 on: March 17, 2019, 07:42:53 PM »

I have a hard time blaming what happened on Trump, but his total lack of self awareness is the exact problem. If someone who killed 50 people cited me as an inspiration, I might not accept responsibility, but you can sure as hell guarantee I am going to take a hard look at what I have done that he thinks I am an inspiration. The fact he just continues on without any even thought of looking at why all these people idolize him shows that he just doesn't care. It doesn't matter who idolizes him as long as someone does.
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1537 on: June 02, 2019, 12:26:15 PM »

Saw that interview on CNN with the guy in Ohio who was a lifelong Democrat, then voted Trump, and now hates Trump (but is not committed to voting Dem either).

He was like "I voted for Trump, because I was tired of Democrats promising us jobs and I keep getiting us jobs and not doing anything for us.  So when Trump came along and said he was finally going to get us jobs I thought as a businessman, he would deliver.  And he hasn't done a thing for us."

Then they were like "What would it take for someone to win your vote?"  "Promise us jobs."

Dude. 

Then at some point, he was like "I won't vote for Trump again.  Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

If I were the CNN interviewer my next question would have been "So how many times would you say you've been fooled by the promise of jobs?"   

Like, dude seemed like a nice guy and all but at some point there is nothing you can do.  I will keep voting for the person who doesn't make ridiculous promises about jobs, and you will keep out voting me and fucking yourself.  He's probably going to vote for Bernie and end up with four more years of Trump and blame "the system."

euro60

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1538 on: June 03, 2019, 01:12:25 AM »


Like, dude seemed like a nice guy and all but at some point there is nothing you can do.  I will keep voting for the person who doesn't make ridiculous promises about jobs, and you will keep out voting me and fucking yourself.  He's probably going to vote for Bernie and end up with four more years of Trump and blame "the system."
That may sadly be the truth...

But I'm not giving up hope that enough of us voters will realize what is really going on, and vote this M...F... out of office next year.

In conversation recently with my 32 yr son, he seemed almost resigned that Trump will be re-elected (even though he distastes Trump). Say it ain't so!

Of course a lot will depend on who the Dem nominee will be.
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dirk

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1539 on: June 03, 2019, 07:16:57 AM »

Of course a lot will depend on who the Dem nominee will be.
And this says everything we need to know about the GOP. At this point, it really shouldn't matter who the dems nominate. There is no one in the dem field that is anywhere near as bad as Trump has shown to be. Even if the dems pull out Hillary again, she should win based on the fact of how bad Trump is. At a minimum, people should stay home or abstain from the presidential race if they don't want to vote for either of them. But the GOP is all in on the terrible things he is doing, so they will support him with the thought that "Hillary will be worse" (which they will say no matter who the dems nominate), which is just an impossibility. Trump has pulled out what the GOP has wanted to do all along, and they are fully on board for all of it. That is why people are resigned to Trump again, because enough people between those who really think he is doing a good job and those who just want to anger the liberals that will vote for him.
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notoriouspbake

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1540 on: June 03, 2019, 11:37:05 AM »

if the majority of the voters don't get out and vote against trump and carry the electoral college, i think i just might give up on america.
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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1541 on: June 03, 2019, 12:33:02 PM »

There is no way that if Trump loses the election, he'll willingly step down (and I don't think he's going to lose.)  What in his record suggests that he, his administration, GOP legislators and supporters care about institutions, traditions. or Constitutional requirements?  He's already "joked" about wanting to amend the Constitution to end executive term limits and has been laying the groundwork for a case for widespread voter fraud for years.  He'll find some reason to justify why he won't leave and half this country will either cheer or shrug their shoulders. 

Granted, I'm a glass was half empty, but now it's shattered in a million pieces kind of guy.
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1542 on: June 03, 2019, 12:58:47 PM »

Yeah, I think that's a somewhat overlooked part the picture.

The stuff he does doesn't just serve to fire up his base, it also makes the other side give up. That's why that National Emergency was so big for him.  Yes, it freed up funding for the wall.  But more importantly it was just like "Fuck you.  You can't stop me from doing what I want."

If you vote against the wall, he funds it anyway.  If you investigate him, he obstructs justice and gets away with it.  You can fight for justice and put a bad guy in jail, but Trump will just pardon them.  If you vote him out of office, will he even leave?  If you speak out against him, he will fuck you over.

They've rendered the entire system so dysfunctional that people lose faith that participation in it will change things. That's how Trump is going to win, partly based on the enthusiasm of his minority but batshit insane backers, but partly because people are just becoming resigned to this shit.

That guy in Ohio is a good example.  He may vote for Bernie because Bernie is a similar "outsider" who wants to torch the system and they think that's the only chance.  But, he may just sit it out.  That dude has kind of lost hope.


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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1543 on: June 03, 2019, 01:22:35 PM »

Sadly, I agree that Trump is likely to be re-elected.

This country is just broken.  There are far too many people out there that want everything their way, and don't give a shit about fairness or justice or science, because those things take effort to understand, and require compromise. 

The abortion thing is a good example.  This should be a non-issue.  No matter your belief, it's been decided.  It really shouldn't be a political issue anyway.  You believe that a fertilized egg is a baby with rights.  That's a belief, not a fact therefore shouldn't be political.  Why should there be legislation that imposes your belief on others?  That's just not the way the world works though so you have these idiots defunding planned parenthood so that poor people can't afford healthcare and family planning and they just keep making more poor people.  So what have we got?  We've got left-wingers saying how can you care so much about a thing that isn't a baby when you don't care that there are kids in cages and you've got right-wingers saying how can you care so much about brown kids when you are okay with killing all these babies?  Neither is ever going to see the other side and there is will never be any attempt to reach middle ground.  Or more realistically, we were at common ground ie. the courts had decided that the legislature should stay the fuck out of it, and everybody is free to either support or not support abortion as long as they leave everybody else alone.  But the right has to have it their way... end of story.
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Markalot

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1544 on: June 03, 2019, 02:45:32 PM »

Stay away from social media, encourage your friends to participate in democracy, and stop predicting the end of the world.  If Trump wins there's no one to blame except those who didn't vote. 


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