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Markalot

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1530 on: March 05, 2019, 06:12:21 PM »

I think all politicians will look the other way, they're scum bags.

I'm looking forward to post Trump when republicans will either continue to be the party they've become, spend + cut + crony capitalism, or "reform".    I can't imagine history looking kindly on this group of corrupt followers of the Trump.
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euro60

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1531 on: March 05, 2019, 10:40:56 PM »

The Republicans are going to reap what they have been sowing for the last 2 decades (more or less): divisiveness, lies, spending (and more spending), and anything else to grab power.

The electorate will wake up in due course, I am sure of it.

I am not a fan of the Democrats, mind you. But where the last 2 decades of the GOP madness has gone, must be stopped. And I'm saying that as a former GOP-voter.

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Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1532 on: March 06, 2019, 11:19:30 PM »

You know whatís funny?

I donít have stats to back it up, but my strong suspicion is that immigrants are less liberal than the average US white guy liberal, and quite likely somewhat right overall.

Conservatives fear immigrants because they come from Socialist or non-Christian or places with other cultural values in some way.  What they are missing is that those people LEFT those countries.

They CHOSE to become US citizens.  So they appreciate the traditional American values and mythos.  They came here for a better life in some way, and they found it.  Why would they want big changes?

I would guess they are even somewhat moderate to conservative on immigration itself.  If you left some ďshitholeĒ country to come to the US, why would you want to open the doors to the same assholes you tried to get away from?

In my experience, most first generation US-born citizens are more liberal than their immigrant parents.  I see myself as an American who is sometimes made not to feel welcome in my own country.  And I side with other American born minorities people who experience the same issues.  Whereas my parents really donít care as much about African Americans or non-Chinese immigrants. They didnít grow up around black and Hispanic kids.

I am not trying to say that Conservatives should be crushing the minority vote.  But all they need is like, 30% instead of 10%.  And it isnít just immigrants they can pick off.  LatinX and African Americans tend to be religious and probably more socially conservative.  Gay people tend to have higher incomes as a group.

You donít even have to appeal to ALL minorities.  Asians are plenty pissed off about affirmative action policies at universities.  The only thing that keeps them lukewarm about siding with the GOP on this is probably college educated people like myself who went to college and saw all the dumbshit white, rich kids who got in because of $$ and connections.  We know itís not actually about qualifications. 

The reason the GOP does so poorly among minorities is because they are total racist dicks to them.  Not that minorities arenít racist themselves, but obviously Chinese people are going to be less Anti-Chinese, etc.  They can tell the GOP does not like them, regardless of their political beliefs or cultural values. 

The American values that Conservatives are so afraid of losing are not dying.  And if they are, they are probably under greater assault from multi-generation US liberals than from minorities/immigrants.  The only thing that the US is losing is itís whiteness, which of course is actually what the current GOP is about.

So I donít know where the GOP goes from here.  Hopefully straight to hell.  But I think actual, non-racist conservative values are not going anywhere.  Whether a third party emerges or a new GOP that is essentially a third party rises frim the ashes, or maybe moderate conservatives infiltrate the Democratic Party and move it to the right.. I donít know.  But the current GOP has to be stopped for non-crazy people everywhere in the US and the world.

euro60

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1533 on: March 06, 2019, 11:40:47 PM »

agreed on all points... and of course I am a PROUD (legal) immigrant to the US
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1534 on: March 13, 2019, 02:19:56 PM »

Yeah see, this is exactly what happens when you tell everyone that the only reason why Trump abusing executive powers is bad is because it opens the door to Democrats doing it.  The Senate tries to pass a resolution allowing Trump to do it, but no one else. 

It's wrong when Trump does it, it's wrong when anyone does it.  It's not just wrong when Democrats do it.

How long before Trump tries another BS Executive Order and the Senate rolls over again.  This is WORSE than just punting on your constitutional checks and balances.  At least if you just punt, then at least every President can do it.  It's a change in the balance of power, but it's at least neutral as far as party.  This is just "Republicans can do whatever they want, but Democrats can't."
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1535 on: March 17, 2019, 02:44:59 PM »

I like how Theresa May is all "No more vote on whether to remain.  We did that already, and the voters have spoken.  How many times can we vote on somerhing?!?  PS Pleasepleaseplease can we vote yet again on my Brexit plan?  See, because I lost that one."

I hate blaming politicians for the acts of crazy people.  But damn, why does Trump have to be hypocritical super dick about it?  Remember that whole "Hey Muslims need to speak out against terrorism or they are terrorists themselves" thing?

Also good job Bernie sis. "You can't call Omar anti-Semitic for criticizing AIPAC.  It's a group, not a race.  Know the difference.  Hillary Clinton is anti-Muslim for criticizing Omar!" 

dirk

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Re: Random Political Musings
« Reply #1536 on: March 17, 2019, 07:42:53 PM »

I have a hard time blaming what happened on Trump, but his total lack of self awareness is the exact problem. If someone who killed 50 people cited me as an inspiration, I might not accept responsibility, but you can sure as hell guarantee I am going to take a hard look at what I have done that he thinks I am an inspiration. The fact he just continues on without any even thought of looking at why all these people idolize him shows that he just doesn't care. It doesn't matter who idolizes him as long as someone does.
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