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Re: Do Republicans Hate Everyone?
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2012, 07:59:36 AM »

I don't know that anyone hates EVERYONE, but Republicans sure do seem to hate compromise a lot more these days than they used to.  I remember the old days when there used to be room for compromise from both parties.  Now it seems as if it is always "our way or the highway", and compromise is viewed as some sort of toxic, 4-letter word.  Shit gets old.
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Re: Do Republicans Hate Everyone?
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2012, 08:10:09 AM »

So MattD, on the political front, how many ads is Indiana getting on TV?  Here in OH, we've been seeing them for months to the point I don't pay attention to any of them anymore.  A weekend trip to PA gave me a much enjoyed respite. 

Months? Don't you mean years? I seem to recall some sort of political ad ever since Obama was elected. Good thing for the Tivo!

When you demonize the other party, you are just believing the hype and rhetoric. Don't. Do. It. Have actual conversations, in person, with your family, friends, neighbors. Listen and learn. Teach and share knowledge. Only then can we all come together and get rid of the losers in Washington. I truly believe that most Americans are the same: they want to wake up each day, safe, sound and with a roof over their head, food in their kitchen and good health. The more we communicate with people, IN PERSON and not on Facebook, the more we can shut the extreme crazies in both parties up.
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Re: Do Republicans Hate Everyone?
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2012, 09:39:12 AM »

You might as well be asking me if I think Roland conquering the Dark Tower is possible.

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Re: Do Republicans Hate Everyone?
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2012, 09:44:35 AM »

is it so crazy to expect people to be responsible for themselves?     
No, it isn't, but personal responsibility will only get you so far in this world.

is it so crazy not to have a welfare state?       
It probably is. A whole lot of people are just a lay off and a significant medical situation away from the poor house and all the personal responsibility in the world won't help you out. There are plenty of good, hard working people who work multiple jobs and still can't make ends meet, but apparently they aren't worthy of help.

but how can you deny the fundamental fact that people can't do a damn thing about the situation they were born into, except prosper.   what's stopping you?     
This statement is so dismissive.  We all need to recognize how big of a role the situation we were born into played into where we are now.  I was born male, middle class, and white (y'all don't know what it's like). The expectation for me from a very early age was that I'd go to college and get a good job somewhere. There was never a question of "if I go to college". It was always "when I go to college".  All of my siblings went to college; 2 of them are engineers, and 1 has a PHD.  Honestly, I don't think I really had to work all that hard to get where I am.

Others are born into incredible wealth and contribute nothing of value to society and can be complete train wrecks in public, but yet are still held up and revered in some weird way.  Why are they more valued than someone born into poverty who managed to make it past the age of 19 without going to jail or being killed in a neighborhood where the odds of this are slim?

The implication of your statement is that if you are poor, then you are either too lazy or too stupid and you are a leach on society.  This simply is not true.

i'm suggesting a manufactured cycle of poverty does a grave injustice to humanity and esp minorities.  i'm not saying aid is bad, but permanent shouldn't be the new temporary.  if you were born poor, wouldn't you at least want to better your situation?  people can't change where they're from, but they can change their future.  relying on handouts improves nobody's future when it's abused almost beyond repair.  and it only perpetuates the antagonism those without have against those that have.   the best, most humane thing you can do for someone caught in a poverty trap is cut them off.  what the fuck does the value of a dollar mean when the government subsidizes your entire life?  why should anyone fault where someone's born or what they're born into?  tough luck man.  shit sucks.  call it dismissive or call it life.  give a man a fish, feed him for a day.  teach a man to fish, feed him for his life.  
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Re: Do Republicans Hate Everyone?
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2012, 10:04:35 AM »

anthem was created as a reaction to soviet style oppression.  communism still flourishes, though cloaked. china recognizes the virtues of capitalism though still control their people.  and i'm not gonna say obama is a socialist, i'm not that guy, but he loves the government making our choices.  and it's not just him, just any liberal elite who knows what's best for us.  

I didn't say there are never such states.  I said that they are not on the level of what Rand et al. dreamed up and that even where oppressive states have occurred they don't last.  Your current examples don't come close to this and they are of short duration, those situations will change just as other such states have changed over time.  Soviet Russia, Communist China, N. Korea and the like will go down eventually and not because one doe eyed narcissist decides to climb into the sewer and rediscover the light bulb.

I'd love to know what choices Obama is supposedly making for people.  I just don't see it.

It seems to me that you're just completely decided that the baby should be thrown out with the bath water.  I see no point in arguing with you further.  Absolutely delusional.
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Re: Do Republicans Hate Everyone?
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2012, 10:05:51 AM »

selfishness as a virtue, absolutely.  there's the brilliance in it.  if everyone put others before them, no one would get anywhere. being selfish is not a bad thing.  arrogance does not have to be a bad thing.  greed does not have to be a bad thing.  if it weren't for those things, give me an idea where mankind would be?  and to punish those who create?  those that always strive for first place?  give me an idea of a world not fueled by competition.  competition is the hallmark of genius.
If cavemen had behaved like this then the human race would not exist. In a society you help each other: by sharing childcare duties, hunting together, staying awake at night to look out for danger while others sleep. Selfishness doesn't help anyone in the long run.

i imagine cavemen were the least generous people ever.  
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Re: Do Republicans Hate Everyone?
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2012, 10:09:07 AM »

i imagine cavemen were the least generous people ever.  

Obviously you weren't a sociology major.  Try reading a non-fiction book sometime.
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Re: Do Republicans Hate Everyone?
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2012, 10:18:31 AM »

i imagine cavemen were the least generous people ever.  

Obviously you weren't a sociology major.  Try reading a non-fiction book sometime.

that is correct.  poli sci.  it was just a guess that when your main concerns were the basic tenants of survival, you'd kinda develop a me first attitude.  of course most of my knowledge on this subject comes from the god's must be crazy.  society is a natural reaction and the only rational course a multitude of people can take.  i'd be delighted to read some recommended nonfiction.  the last nonfiction i read was poor economics, which looked into various installments of aid to poorer nations and see what worked and what didn't.  not a lot worked.

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Re: Do Republicans Hate Everyone?
« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2012, 10:45:06 AM »



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I didn't say there are never such states.  I said that they are not on the level of what Rand et al. dreamed up and that even where oppressive states have occurred they don't last.  Your current examples don't come close to this and they are of short duration, those situations will change just as other such states have changed over time.  Soviet Russia, Communist China, N. Korea and the like will go down eventually and not because one doe eyed narcissist decides to climb into the sewer and rediscover the light bulb.

true.  and that's what eventually happens in atlas shrugged.  of course it's hyperbole and dramatic satire of what happens if government gets too big.  

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I'd love to know what choices Obama is supposedly making for people.  I just don't see it.

alright, i might have jumped the gun a bit with that statement.  though (even though it was ruled constitutional) forcing people to buy health insurance (well, those lucky enough to afford it) strikes me as making my decision.  not only perpetuating the welfare state, but doing nothing to curb it.  work sucks, munch on these government doritoes.  i don't want you to succeed, i want you in this vicious cycle so i can count on your vote.  now, don't go out and get a conscience.  that ain't covered under food stamps and def not medicaid.  and like i said, it's not just obama, fucking bloomberg banning big ass sodas, it's a damn nanny state.  if you want i can give more examples.  liberals want everyone to live like them.  

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It seems to me that you're just completely decided that the baby should be thrown out with the bath water.  I see no point in arguing with you further.  Absolutely delusional.
 

it's unfortunate you say that.  the opposite of your beliefs is delusion?  
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Re: Do Republicans Hate Everyone?
« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2012, 10:56:48 AM »

alright, i might have jumped the gun a bit with that statement.  though (even though it was ruled constitutional) forcing people to buy health insurance (well, those lucky enough to afford it) strikes me as making my decision.

it's unfortunate you say that.  the opposite of your beliefs is delusion?  

There is the option of opting out of ACA.  I don't see how that amounts to anybody being forced.

Your beliefs are delusion, in my opinion.  I wasn't generalizing beliefs in opposition to mine.  But if pressed I would say that yes, doing away with all social programs because they are abused by some and/or being of the belief that absolutely everyone is capable of pulling themselves out of any situation (or really that they should have to, when they could be helped) are delusional ways of thinking.
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Re: Do Republicans Hate Everyone?
« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2012, 11:13:34 AM »

alright, i might have jumped the gun a bit with that statement.  though (even though it was ruled constitutional) forcing people to buy health insurance (well, those lucky enough to afford it) strikes me as making my decision.

it's unfortunate you say that.  the opposite of your beliefs is delusion?  

There is the option of opting out of ACA.  I don't see how that amounts to anybody being forced.

by paying a tax?

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Your beliefs are delusion, in my opinion.  I wasn't generalizing beliefs in opposition to mine.  But if pressed I would say that yes, doing away with all social programs because they are abused by some and/or being of the belief that absolutely everyone is capable of pulling themselves out of any situation (or really that they should have to, when they could be helped) are delusional ways of thinking.

i didn't say do away with social programs.  the topic i was addressing was the poverty cycle and how it only hurts people in the long run.  are you suggesting that people born poor are completely helpless, that the only way for them to survive is through handouts?  we're only making it harder for people to get out of the struggle by treating them as second class citizens.  i understand why people don't agree with me because it's a tough concept to accept.  the great society put forth by lbj was great intentions, though the consequences are dire.  responsibility kicked the bucket when we became compassionate. 
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Re: Do Republicans Hate Everyone?
« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2012, 11:16:54 AM »

I hope you're never faced with being down and out, or being in a deeper hole than you can dig you're way out of.  But if you ever are lets revisit this after.  Until then, imma do what I said I was going to do and quit arguing with you.
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Re: Do Republicans Hate Everyone?
« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2012, 11:37:26 AM »

I hope you're never faced with being down and out, or being in a deeper hole than you can dig you're way out of.  But if you ever are lets revisit this after.  Until then, imma do what I said I was going to do and quit arguing with you.

peace, brother or sister.  sorry you felt we were arguing
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Re: Do Republicans Hate Everyone?
« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2012, 11:46:48 AM »

Brother... and I know it wasn't personal, but I see no reason to continue it all the same. 

So... how bout them Reds?
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Re: Do Republicans Hate Everyone?
« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2012, 12:13:40 PM »

Brother... and I know it wasn't personal, but I see no reason to continue it all the same. 

So... how bout them Reds?

man, just when i thought i was about to convert you.  no hard feelings at all dude.  an alternative voice is always a good thing in my book.  but i was serious about recommended reading material regarding cavemen.  that votto apparently hasn't missed a beat.  bruce with a four game dinger streak and ludwick the comeback player of the year?  that frazier's been playing some rook of the year ball.  just hope we don't see those damn redbirds in october. 
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