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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #60 on: November 11, 2017, 11:51:06 AM »





All you do is talk about how YOUR rights are trampled, and ignore everyone elseís.  And what makes it easier to reconcile is if you do not treat others as real people.  For example Muslims are barbarians not ready to handle our golden Western values, so they donít get the hands-off approach to living.

yeah, muslims are a bastion of empathy.    there's a real war on women.  and whatever else is every social justice warrior's worst nightmare.  western values sure pale in comparison don't they?  i'm fine with muslim folks, they can't help where they were born just like i can't help being the byproduct of a ramblin' prairie preacher, but their religion is behind the times.  is it fair to criticize a religion? 

 
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daytime drinking

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #61 on: November 11, 2017, 02:47:34 PM »

is everyone here a democrat not because they love the platform but because you hate the republicans?  join the libertarian party.  drugs and open borders for everyone

I'm more of a Roosevelt New Deal Democrat. I believe that members of society should look after one another in order to strengthen the country as a whole. I guess that makes me - gasp! - a socialist. Actually, more of a social democrat.

Socialism has gotten a bum rap in the United States. Many, many Americans, nearly 30 years after the fall of the Soviet Union, still think socialism = communism. And that's obviously not true. I think it's because the official name of the Soviet Union was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics - but they only really did that as spin doctoring. All communist countries do that - North Korea is neither democratic or a republic, but they call themselves the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Getting off on a political philosophy tangent here (easy for me to do) so I'll bring it on back - I don't consider myself a Democrat, but I'm certainly aligned with them and I want them to do well in the elections because they are the major party that is closest to my way of thinking. Unfortunately, what that means is that they are the only party that is not out to destroy the social safety net that I believe in - but I don't think that they are really looking to add to it too much (because of what happened in the 2010 midterms when they did). Still, I'm above all else, a realist. For example, I'll settle for not taking away health care for 25 million Americans before insisting on expanding it to everyone. Baby steps.

As for the Libertarian Party - meh. I actually believe you do need to have border controls (but not this crazy travel ban/wall/racial profiling bullshit) in order to safeguard your citizens. And frankly, citizens should be a priority for a government - otherwise, why have the concept of citizenship at all? As for drugs - well, I enjoy my alcohol (in moderation, of course - having a beer right now), and I enjoyed other stuff when I was younger. But now that I'm a "responsible adult" (allegedly), I find I don't miss it. Yes, there are some parts of the drug schedules that are bullshit. For example, I firmly believe that marijuana is illegal because the tobacco companies, all those years ago, saw a way to eliminate the competition and create a legally-enshrined monopoly on smokable narcotics. But you can't look at what's going on with the opioid epidemic (many of which are legal, albeit prescription, drugs) and tell me that "drugs for everyone" is a swell idea.

Anyway, I never thought I'd participate on an online politics board as much as I have here. Maybe that's because the people here are reasonable. And I've known most of you for years (and you know me).

would you say that socialism has ever been successful?  yeah, just import it to the rebel south (america).  they'll know what to do with power.  shit, their entire existence has been one struggle for power.  it's amazing there are any pseudo democracies down yonder.  democracy is the best human's can do and deserve.  let's face it.  you don't have to help anybody, but the least you can do is not hurt anybody.   whatever we have now seems to piss everyone one off equally.  maybe that's not such a bad arrangement.  welcome to america, asshole
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #62 on: November 13, 2017, 09:57:41 AM »

Somewhere along the line, capitalism got twisted into this dog-eat-dog thing where capitalism works via survival of the fittest.  And it is your duty to be selfish so as to weed out the weak or something.  Libertarianism took a right turn, and Ron Paul and Rand Paul are of that school.

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Post-Rand Libertarian is like post-Marx Communism.  The original idea was that you did not have to force it.  People would natural figure out that it was the best society.  If Smith and Marx were right, we just had to spread the word and wait.  But Libertarians nowadays are trying to force it just like Lenin did.  You canít bring about Libertarian society via government ruling.

Hang on a second...a thought just occurred to me, reading those sentences in close succession.

Did Ron Paul name his son after Ayn Rand?

Yes.

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #63 on: November 13, 2017, 10:53:28 AM »

no he didn't
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Jonathan

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #64 on: November 13, 2017, 11:21:33 AM »

So I looked it up. It turns out his name is Randal, and like many Randals, growing up, he went by Randy. His wife, not wanting him to sound like a '70s porn actor/sex offender/man with a bad mustache, shortened it to Rand.

I may have embellished some of that and introduced facts not in evidence
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #65 on: November 13, 2017, 12:54:19 PM »

randy fingers has a lot of cache
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #66 on: November 13, 2017, 03:15:48 PM »

You can have socialism in a democracy. That's what we have now in the United States -- to one degree or another.
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #67 on: November 13, 2017, 03:42:50 PM »

no he didn't

I know he CLAIMS he didn't.  I don't believe him.

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #68 on: November 13, 2017, 03:46:17 PM »

obviously, though i don't know why he'd give that falsehood since he adores her
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #69 on: November 13, 2017, 05:18:51 PM »

So...how about the Alabama Republican Party nominating a child molester to run for the Senate?

We now know that some southern Republicans are so far up their own asses that they would rather vote for a child molester than a Democrat.
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #70 on: November 13, 2017, 09:36:07 PM »

We now know that some southern Republicans are so far up their own asses that they would rather vote for a child molester than a Democrat.


In 2016 it was a white collar criminal and traitor.  This year it's a pedophile.  I predict 2018 will see Rethugs embrace a candidate who espouses cannibalism
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #71 on: November 13, 2017, 10:36:30 PM »

What is going on with the Alabama guy is beyond description, and I think that at some point sense will prevail, but of course I could be totally wrong. Then again, I've been wrong many times (and actually proud of that).

In the bigger picture, I foresee a bloodbath for the Republicans in next years mid-terms. Or is it just me wanting it to be?
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #72 on: November 14, 2017, 09:49:53 AM »

I honestly don't understand why that guy's pedophilia is such a big deal. 

I mean, not that I think pedophilia is okay.  But it's like how is that the straw that broke the camel's back?  All the other stuff he has done should disqualify him 100 times over.  It would be like the Germans voting out Hitler because of Eva Braun.

Also, that is not one of those Godwin Law Hitler analogies.  Roy Moore is pretty much Hitler.

I think there very well might be a bloodbath for Republicans, but I'm not sure it helps the country that much.  You would think there would be no possible way a conservative party could fuck up Alabama.  Just pick someone who is mildly to moderately racist.  Which is pretty much, like every white person in Alabama.  So there's no shortage of options.  It's an easy win.  Strange would have been fine.  McConnell would have been fine.  Even Moore would have been fine if Trump had backed him from the start.

They're only in this position because Trump wanted McConnell for AG even though that was a terrible pick even if you are far right.  And then Trump endorsed Strange when Moore is more up his alley.  And then he tried to back out of endorsing Strange and spent his endorsement speech talking about the NFL. 

So, I think the GOP is in serious disarray.  But the overall picture is still that a horrible person was raised to AG, and then an even more horrible person was beaten by a even even more more horrible person.  The GOP in AL might turn on Moore, but they're not going to turn on his policies.

Look at all these crazy jackasses the GOP is trying to pack into the judiciary.  They're all pretty much Moore-alikes.  And they're all young, so they will be there for 20, 30, 40 years.  That doesn't seem to me like a party that has found its conscience.

Those people are not going to change.  If the far right is voted out of power, they will just become a terrorist organization.

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #73 on: November 14, 2017, 10:03:14 AM »

I think this is the straw that broke the camel's back because, like you said, lots of crackers in Alabama are mildly to moderately racist, but (hopefully) most of them are not child molesters.

Plus, there is an increased focus on sexual assault in general these days with Weinstein/Spacey/Louis C.K./et. al.

But, as we've seen, many of those mild-to-moderate racist crackers apparently feel that being a child molester is better than being a Democrat, and Roy Moore will probably still win, regardless.
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #74 on: November 15, 2017, 01:55:50 AM »

There's a section in the Wikipedia page about the Gadsden Mall discussing how Roy Moore may or may not be banned from it and definitely spent his 30s cruising for chicks there.
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