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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #75 on: November 15, 2017, 10:32:24 AM »

y'all should police your hyperbole and xenophobia a bit better
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #76 on: November 15, 2017, 10:46:42 AM »

Meh.  They just did a poll in Alabama and 35% of people said they were MORE likely to vote for Roy Moore now.

I have no problem calling idiots and/or assholes idiots and/or assholes.

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #77 on: November 15, 2017, 10:51:41 AM »

well i obviously can't explain that but my good friend jimmy from muscle shoals ain't no racist.  nor can it be possible for all of birmingham's hipsters to be racist.   it's part of hipster bylaw.  and george wallace wasn't even a racist
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #78 on: November 15, 2017, 11:04:09 AM »

and george wallace wasn't even a racist

I beg to differ.

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #79 on: November 15, 2017, 11:06:51 AM »

not according to the drive by truckers.  just a man who'll do or say anything to get elected
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #80 on: November 15, 2017, 11:38:30 AM »

It's probably not a good idea to take history lessons from Patterson Hood, unless maybe it is about Southern soul and rock music. 

Anyway, pretty sure Patterson Hood probably would call Wallace a racist.  All he's ever said of Wallace is that his racist stances may have been more a result of his ego and power thirst instead of an underlying philosophy.  It's not like he actually defends him.
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #81 on: November 15, 2017, 03:18:51 PM »

George Wallace was a turbo racist.  I have no idea where you get this shit.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck, even if it's only a duck because it wants to wear a sailor suit with no pants.  Motivations don't change realities.
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #82 on: November 15, 2017, 07:09:41 PM »

y'all should police your hyperbole and xenophobia a bit better

Hold up and read again - first of all, no xenophobia. I'm a white Southerner calling out other white Southerners for being racist. Nothing more than garden variety cracker-on-cracker violence.

Secondly, read what I read carefully - I didn't say "all crackers" or "most crackers", but "a lot of crackers". So no hyperbole, either.

As for George Wallace - I get where you're coming from. It's pretty well-known that his racism got more hardline and conservative as his political profile increased, and that, early in his career as both a judge and low-level politician, he was fairly moderate in his views (for a white, male, Southerner, at least). But the fact is that, as both governor and a presidential candidate, he was a virulent racist.

You can argue the reasons and motivations behind it. Personally, I think that "he was telling the voters what they wanted to hear" and "he was just saying it to get elected", as a best-case scenario, makes him a spineless prevaricator. It doesn't redeem him in the slightest, and shows that he has no real moral principles.

Besides, the guy is known for saying "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever." That shit can't be reconciled.
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #83 on: November 16, 2017, 08:24:36 AM »

i wasn't referring to you directly jonathan, just the overall tenor of the political forum in general
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #84 on: November 16, 2017, 09:06:25 AM »

Fair enough. Still not sure where the xenophobia comes in. Maybe on other threads.

Don't think I haven't forgotten about the socialism/capitalism posts, either. Still needing the time and headspace to properly respond to that one. Don't think you're off the hook there. ;)
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #85 on: November 16, 2017, 10:21:21 AM »

If thinking that George Wallace and people that support Roy Moore makes me a bigot.  That's fine.  I'm bigoted against bigotry.

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #86 on: November 16, 2017, 10:44:42 AM »

Fair enough. Still not sure where the xenophobia comes in. Maybe on other threads.

Don't think I haven't forgotten about the socialism/capitalism posts, either. Still needing the time and headspace to properly respond to that one. Don't think you're off the hook there. ;)

i've said so many clever things. 

maybe i'm naive about all this rampant racism.  i feel that if any state would embrace equality more than any other would be alabama and mississippi.  they've been at it harder than most and you'd figure they'd learn how to get along with one another.  or at the very least tolerate each other.  forgive me if this is getting off topic.  do you imagine that people black and white are proud to be from alabama?   
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #87 on: November 16, 2017, 10:46:35 AM »

George Wallace was a turbo racist.  I have no idea where you get this shit.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck, even if it's only a duck because it wants to wear a sailor suit with no pants.  Motivations don't change realities.

i was being a bit tongue in cheek.  a laugh.   i'm more of a mike cooley fan anyway
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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #88 on: November 16, 2017, 11:08:31 AM »

i feel that if any state would embrace equality more than any other would be alabama and mississippi.  they've been at it harder than most and you'd figure they'd learn how to get along with one another.  or at the very least tolerate each other.  forgive me if this is getting off topic.  do you imagine that people black and white are proud to be from alabama?   

I don't think that this is too far off the mark, at least based on my experiences.  I see far more social segregation in northern places like Cincinnati than I did in a place like Birmingham.  Here, all the hip restaurants in formerly black neighborhoods, have white people in the front of the house, and people of color in the kitchen/washing dishes.  Seeing POCs as bartenders, waiters, owners of the bars, coffee shops, venues, and restaurants I visited was something that really made an impression.  Even going to a baseball game or a juke joint, there seemed to be a balance between white and black (especially, but not exclusively) and there seemed to be an ease in how they interacted with each other that I don't typically see in northern cities.

Obviously I'm not saying that those places are absolute beacons of hope and integration and I'm sure that the expression of racism takes on a different form in those states, but on the surface, they seem to be making a better show of it than the "enlightened" north.  Like, are Southerners more likely to smile to POCs faces and trash them when their backs are turned?  Where as a lot of northerners won't even look in their direction.  That's my guess.  I'm interested to hear if my experience jives with RVA, Lando, LMNOP, etc who actually live in the south.
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Zafer Kaya

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Re: 2018 Midterm Elections
« Reply #89 on: November 16, 2017, 01:48:19 PM »

i feel that if any state would embrace equality more than any other would be alabama and mississippi. 

You might feel that way.  I mean, you're dead wrong, but whatever.  You feel what you want and don't let those pesky facts get in the way.

Everyone in Alabama is either a member of, or listens to Drive-By Truckers.  They all feel horrendously bad about their state' past.  And they are working very hard to change it by supporting tireless crusaders for racial equality like Sessions, Moore, and Cotton.


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