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The Graying of the Record Store
« on: July 16, 2006, 03:55:38 PM »

Besides the normal "cd sales are declining because of the internet" stuff, this one also talks about the people who still do buy cds.  Interesting.

From the New York Times

The Graying of the Record Store

By ALEX WILLIAMS

SO this is an evening rush?

On a recent Monday, six people — soon enough four, then two — were browsing the bins of compact discs at Norman’s Sound and Vision, a music store on Cooper Square in Manhattan, around 6 p.m., a time that once constituted the daily rush hour. A decade ago, the number of shoppers might have been 20 or 30, said Norman Isaacs, the owner. Six people? He would have had that many working in the store.

“I used to make more in a day than I probably make in a week now,” said the shaven-headed Mr. Isaacs, 59, whose largely empty aisles brimming with punk, jazz, Latin music, and lots and lots of classic rock have left him, many afternoons, looking like a rock ’n’ roll version of the Maytag repairman. Just as troubling to Mr. Isaacs is the age of his clientele.

“It’s much grayer,” he said mournfully.

The neighborhood record store was once a clubhouse for teenagers, a place to escape parents, burn allowances and absorb the latest trends in fashion as well as music. But these days it is fast becoming a temple of nostalgia for shoppers old enough to remember “Frampton Comes Alive!’’

In the era of iTunes and MySpace, the customer base that still thinks of recorded music as a physical commodity (that is, a CD), as opposed to a digital file to be downloaded, is shrinking and aging, further imperiling record stores already under pressure from mass-market discounters like Best Buy and Wal-Mart.

The bite that downloading has taken out of CD sales is well known — the compact disc market fell about 25 percent between 1999 and 2005, according to the Recording Industry Association of America, a trade organization. What that precipitous drop indicated by the figures doesn’t reveal is that this trend is turning many record stores into haunts for the gray-ponytail set. This is especially true of big-city stores that stock a wider range of music than the blockbuster acts.

“We don’t see the kids anymore,” said Thom Spennato, who owns Sound Track, a cozy store on busy Seventh Avenue in Park Slope, Brooklyn. “That 12-to-15-year-old market, that’s what’s missing the last couple of years.”

Without that generation of buyers, the future looks bleak. “My landlord asked me if I wanted another 10-year lease, and I said no,” Mr. Spennato said. “I have four years left, then I’m out.”

Since late 2003, about 900 independent record stores have closed nationwide, leaving about 2,700, according to the Almighty Institute of Music Retail, a marketing research company in Studio City, Calif. In 2004, Tower Records, one of the nation’s largest chains, filed for bankruptcy protection.

Greta Perr, an owner of Future Legends, a new and used CD store on Ninth Avenue in Hell’s Kitchen, said that young people never really came back to her store after the Napster file-sharing upheaval of the late 90’s; she has responded by filling her windows with artists like Neil Young and Bruce Springsteen. “People come in and say: ‘I remember when I was 20, Steve Miller’s second record came out. Can I get that?’ ” she said.

Industry statistics bear out the graying of the CD-buying public. Purchases by shoppers between ages 15 and 19 represented 12 percent of recorded music in 2005, a decline from about 17 percent in 1996, according to the Recording Industry Association. Purchases by those 20 to 24 represented less than 13 percent in 2005, down from about 15 percent. Over the same period, the share of recorded music bought by adults over 45 rose to 25.5 percent, from 15 percent.

(The figures include CD’s and downloaded songs, with CD’s still an overwhelming share of the market in recorded music, 87 percent, in 2005.)

The dominance of older buyers is especially evident at smaller independent stores in metropolitan areas, where younger consumers tend to be more tech-oriented and older music fans tend to be more esoteric in their tastes, said Russ Crupnick, an analyst with the NPD Group, a market research firm.

At Norman’s, which is 15 years old and just around the corner from New York’s epicenter of punk, St. Marks Place, shoppers with nose rings and dewy cheeks are not unknown. But they may only be looking to use the automatic teller machine. A pair of teenagers — he with ink-black dyed hair, and she in ragged camouflage shorts — wandered in one evening recently and promptly froze in the doorway, stopped in their tracks by an Isaac Hayes cut from the 70’s.

They had the confused looks of would-be congregants who had stumbled into a church of the wrong denomination; they quickly shuffled off. Most of Norman’s other customers were old enough to remember eight-track tapes. Steven Russo, 53, for instance, was looking for jazz CD’s. Mr. Russo, a high school teacher in Valley Stream, N.Y., said that he values the store for its sense of camaraderie among cognoscenti as much as its selection. “It’s the ability of people to talk to people about the music, to talk to personnel who are knowledgeable,” he said.

Richard Antone, a freelance writer from Newark whose hair was flecked with silver curls, said his weekly trip to the store is a visual experience as well as an auditory one. “I remember how people admired the artwork on an album like ‘Electric Ladyland’ or ‘Sgt. Pepper’ as much as the music,” he said.

The lost generation of young shoppers — for whom a CD is a silvery disc on which you burn your own songs and then label with a black marker — will probably spell doom for Norman’s within the next five years, said Mr. Isaacs, the owner. Several of his downtown competitors have already disappeared, he said.

Some independent owners are resisting the demographic challenges. Eric Levin, 36, who owns three Criminal Records stores in Atlanta and oversees a trade group called the Alliance of Independent Media Stores, representing 30 shops nationally, said that businesses losing young customers are “dinosaurs” that have done nothing to cater to the new generation. Around the country, he said, shops like Grimey’s in Nashville, Shake It Records in Cincinnati and Other Music in New York are hanging on to young customers by evolving into one-stop hipster emporiums. Besides selling obscure CD’s and even vinyl records, many have diversified into comic books, Japanese robot toys and clothing. Some have opened adjoining nightclubs or, in Mr. Levin’s case, coffee shops.

“Kids don’t have to go to the record store like earlier generations,” Mr. Levin said. “You have to make them want to. You have to make it an event.”

But diversification is not always an option for smaller stores with little extra space, like Norman’s. Mr. Isaacs’s continued survival is due in part to a side business he runs selling used CD’s on Amazon and eBay. He buys them from walk-in customers who are often dumping entire collections.

Unlike the threatened independent bookstore, with its tattered rugs, dusty shelves and shedding cats, indie record stores in danger of disappearing do not inspire much hand-wringing, perhaps because they are not as celebrated in popular imagination as the quaint bookshop. (Record geeks can claim only “High Fidelity,’’ the book and movie, as a nostalgic touchstone.)

Still, the passing of such places would be mourned.

Danny Fields, the Ramones’ first manager, points out that visiting Bleecker Bob’s on West Third Street in the late 70’s was “like experiencing the New York music scene” in miniature — it was a cultural locus, a trading post for all the latest punk trends. “Dropping into Bleecker Bob’s was like dropping into CBGB’s,” he said. (You can still drop into Bleecker Bob’s.)

Dave Marsh, the rock critic and author of books on popular music, noted that rockers like Jonathan Richman and Iggy Pop honed their edgy musical tastes working as record store clerks.

“It’s part of the transmission of music,” said Mr. Marsh, who recalls being turned on to cult bands like the Fugs and the Mothers of Invention by the clerks at his local record store in his hometown, Waterford, Mich. “It seems like you can’t have a neighborhood without them.”
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2006, 08:31:57 AM »

The deteriorating success of independent music stores happened years ago, long before napster.

I was lucky enough to sell my store in England at EXACTLY the right time. And it WAS luck. I found someone willing to pay me a substantial sum for the inventory, lease, fittings and goodwill factor - and be willing to to keep on my existing staff.

That was in 1997. Merely a year later, trust me, I could not have GIVEN that store away.

Sales were dropping, as a twin result of
a) the supermarkets starting to take a bigger and bigger share of the mainstream market (Indie stores needed to sell mainstream product in order to make profits to invest in more esoteric genres/titles)
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b) The record labels refusing to understand the important - both historic and current - of indie stores. How it was always indie stores that broke new acts and crossed them over the mainstream success/sales. Instead the labels pandered to the big box retailers and started spending FORTUNES on marketing. Basically, the labels became their own taste makers - which is why pap like "American Idol" has become so succesful and why you have sooooooo many 'manufactured' bands in every single genre of music, from 'alternative' to 'rap' to even 'classical'.

Then, the whole napster thing happened. Labels got shit scared they couldn't control listeners tastes, and instead of embracing the technology they attacked it. The more they attacked it, the more music fans said "fuck it, I'll download it for free"

I'm sad that future generations of genuine music lovers will not be able to enjoy the excitement that came from trawling through the racks of a well-run good independent store. Like the article suggested, there was a thrill in finding a groovy sleeve, maybe even buying it just for that?! - or speaking to the knowlegable staff and getting recommendations etc.

Nice article.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2006, 10:31:39 AM »

When I first moved here for school in 1987, there were four or five independently owned music stores -- which is a lot for a small town smack in the center of rural Pennsylvania.

Blue Train was the first to go. Modern Times was the next -- the owner consolidated the all-CD store into his all-vinyl store, City Lights, cut 3/4s of his vinyl inventory, and kept City Lights open. About a month ago, Mike's got rid of its music, which hit a lot of us hard b/c you could get a lot of stuff there you'd never find anywhere else (plus the music buyer, a friend of mine, found himself jobless). Now I learned over the weekend that Arboria is closing this month. This leaves City Lights as the only independent left standing, and I'll be surprised if it makes it.

If you're like me and enjoy the tactile experience of in-store shopping for music, the only places here to do so now are Best Buy, Circuit City, Target, and Wal-Mart. Even the chain music store in our local mall shut down. I find myself buying a lot of my music from the independent sellers on Amazon and from eBay. It's just not the same as shopping in a great indie store.
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2006, 10:50:23 AM »

I'll admit that I always look upon the music stores fondly and longingly, but rarely do I end up buying my music from them.  I just click on Amazon or the like and have my stuff mailed.  On occassion I do mail order from independent places, but like the article says... there aren't many people in them anymore.  And they certainly aren't kids.
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2006, 11:37:48 AM »

Yeah, I guess I'm not really that sad to see record stores go because CD's are just kind of a waste:  the paper, the packaging, the physical space they take up, etc.  The more stuff we do electronically, the better it is for the environment and resources and all that.  It also puts more power into the hands of the artists, which is good for music.

We do take a hit in terms of culture, but since all the record store goers are apparently old fogeys anyway, I guess that was going to happen anyway.  Music fans will find new ways to dig into music and connect with each other.
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2006, 11:53:33 AM »

When I look at how often I use MySpace to listen & learn about new bands, it really scares me.  I miss my old Indie store in Lawrence, but they lost me when the only items I was interested in turned out to be imports that I could purchase much cheaper online.  I enjoyed their recommendations, but it's even easier to get online & find solid recommendations, too.

It's that mood or event that the one store owner mentions that is worth mourning.  When that finally goes will we be doing everything online?
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2006, 11:54:10 AM »

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I'm sad that future generations of genuine music lovers will not be able to enjoy the excitement that came from trawling through the racks of a well-run good independent store. Like the article suggested, there was a thrill in finding a groovy sleeve, maybe even buying it just for that?! - or speaking to the knowlegable staff and getting recommendations etc.

Unfortunately, I have never had a good record store experience in my life.  And, probably like everyone else here, I shopped at a lot of record stores to find what I liked.  Not to insult MissKitty, but I used to shop at Dingleberry's a great deal when I was a kid up into my teens, and I found the staff ranged from aloof to downright insulting and intimidating.  That was pretty much the norm for all the other indie stores I'd been to as well.  Places like Camelot sucked because they didn't sell what I liked and didn't have a clue.  So, I pretty much hated record stores and rejoiced when I could find exactly what I liked, cheaply on the Internet.  I could hear samples and not have to deal with all the music snob clerks.

So, not to put down record stores, because I know I'm probably a rare case, but it won't bother me when they go away.  I can't remember the last time I shopped in one.
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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2006, 06:32:42 PM »

I really liked Wizards (short Vine) in Clifton. The staff was always eager to turn me on to new music.

I agree with everything RVA said though.
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2006, 07:24:35 PM »

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So, not to put down record stores, because I know I'm probably a rare case, but it won't bother me when they go away.  I can't remember the last time I shopped in one.

You're not a rare case (unless we both are). The independent record stores in this area S-U-C-K suck. Prices are not competitive, customer service is awful, recommendations are non-existent, freebies and goodies: puh-leeze - in short, they give me absolutely zero reasons to give them my business.

I read all these Cincinnati folks talk about the great experiences they have at Shake-It and Everybody's, and frankly, I get jealous. Because the independent record stores we have in the Triangle suck massive donkey balls. I make it a point to shop at Best Buy solely as a giant "fuck you" to them.
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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2006, 07:36:33 AM »

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I really liked Wizards (short Vine) in Clifton. The staff was always eager to turn me on to new music.

Dude, I forgot about that place.  I also shopped Looney T-Birds as well.  Both stores were also manned by jerkwads.
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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2006, 01:05:43 PM »

Having never met CR, I keep thinking the the guy in the lower middle of that set of six looks like him.  

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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2006, 01:17:05 PM »

I love my local record store, but i'm fairly sure the only reason i do is that out here we're stuck 10-15 years behind everyone else.   It seems that the more successful indie record stores, as "one stop hipster emporiums" have sacrificed service in order to maintain some sort of indie 'vibe'.  I don't particularly enjoy being judged every time i go up to the counter.  I love browsing at record stores, and i think that's the reason i still shop at them, but i'm getting tired of feeling like i should have gotten dressed up ahead of time.

I'll make an exception for ameoba records.  I'm obsessed.
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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2006, 02:06:53 PM »

I pretty much hate my local record store, because of the clerks who work there.   But you know, the typical record store relies on part-time help-- usually spoiled college students who care more about being hipsters than they do about the pay.  

A good record shop supports local acts and gets some in-stores and stuff that ends up helping the local music community.  And really any small store with good owners that makes the community a less-homogenized place provides me some value.  Plus there aren't enough bar tender jobs for all the musicans and wannabe label execs out there, so it helps keep music alive in that respect.

For that reason, I will grit my teeth and go in about three or four times a year and buy a few CD's from my local shop at outrageous prices while the cashier makes fun of me for buying a band she hasn't heard of (so it must suck) but which will be her "pick" in six months.
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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2006, 05:26:13 PM »

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Having never met CR, I keep thinking the the guy in the lower middle of that set of six looks like him.  


I'm waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more handso.....

No, wait, that could be me!!

Except, I hardly EVER buy from record stores these days.

Besides which, I've heard they're full of assholes.

I put everything I want on Amazon.co.uk/.com wishlists and just check them a few times each week until I find what I want at bargain prices. Then I rip out the tracks I want/like and re-sell the discs at a profit on Half.

I don't need to own as much music, just 'have' it, y'know?!
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