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Jonathan

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« on: July 02, 2004, 11:09:56 PM »

Anybody else planning on following this? The race starts tomorrow (7/3) on Outdoor Life Network (OLN) at 11:30 am Eastern.

Can Lance Armstrong when his sixth straight Tour? I have to say that I'm a lot less confident this year that he can do it than I was last year. I just knew he'd win last year.

Should be interesting.
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2004, 10:46:03 AM »

Hells yeah, i'm stoked for it. I love the OLN coverage, although I generally only watch the recap show every night.

I think Lance is gonna win. He seems to have the fire that he was missing last year until the last few days. I think he's pissed about the doping allegations and he needs something to be pissed about. Plus, there doesn't seem to be an heir apparent out there.

That said, Sheryl Crow is bad news. You can do better, Lance!
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2004, 11:00:32 AM »

You're right about him being pissed about the doping allegations. Did you see his press conference yesterday? The author of the book were at the press conference, and Lance was about as artful as I've seen someone tell others to fuck off without actually saying "fuck off." That is one angry dude.

Here we go. Only one half-hour away.
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2004, 11:23:23 PM »

The only thing I kinda don't like about the Tour is that the riders have domestiques and team members that don't try to win.  Maybe that's the way the media portrays the race, more than a problem with cycling itself.  In my mind I've always thought the winner of the Tour de France is The US Postal Service team, and credit Lance with being the MVP of the team.

I also feel like you should be stripped of your stage victory if you fail to complete the race.  The sprinters can have their own race, concurrent with the Tour if they want.  I just find it weird that the vast majority of the field is not even trying to win or even finish.
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2004, 10:07:09 AM »

I see your point, but at the same time, it's not like Lance and say, Floyd Landis finished the Tour with the same overall time, and only Lance is getting the credit for the victory. In the end, Armstrong finished the race in less time than everyone else, so he deserves to be the winner.

I think the leader/lieutenant system is a feature of European sport that seems alien to Americans. Take Formula 1, for example. You have a team leader and a No. 2, and they have clearly defined roles. While the F1 organizers supposedly abolished "team orders," you can't tell me that Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barichello are now on an equal footing at Ferrari. Schumacher is clearly still the No. 1, and that's not going to change. Barichello's role is still to help Schumacher win the race.

Some people enjoy being domestiques, those with more ambition (and the talent) will go on to be a team lead on another team. Two of Lance's former chief lieutenants are now heading their own teams in this Tour.

As far as the sprinters who bail as soon as they hit the mountain stages, you're not the only one who's complained about that. I remember the OLN announcers last year decrying them, and I'm sure they will do that again this year. The sprinters do have their own concurrent competition, and there are those riders (Cooke, McEwen, etc.) who would rather win the green jersey  because they know they have no real shot at the yellow jersey. The only consolation I can give you is that to win the green, it's set up so that you have to be there to the end...it's pretty much impossible to build up enough points before the mountains to hold on to a lead if you bail in the mountains.
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2004, 11:23:54 AM »

Every bull-fighter needs a good picador.
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2004, 01:32:59 PM »

Yeah, those are all good points.  I just think it's weird that so many riders are out there just to win a stage or fetch water.  If it were one or two helpers it wouldn't be so bad.  But teams of 9 with only one rider competing (not too mention the team van and other helpers) is too many for my taste.

I mean, I still follow the race and I get pretty into it.  I like the CBS sportsline thing they had last year where you could track it live over the internet.  So is everyone rooting for Lance Armstrong?  I can't really root against him, but this year I'm kinda pulling a bit more for Tyler Hamilton.
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2004, 02:27:12 PM »

No doubt, Tyler Hamilton won over a lot of people with his gritty performance last year. To finish fourth AND win a mountain stage with a broken freakin' collarbone was amazing. I definitely wouldn't complain if he won a Tour or two before his career was over.

I still have to root for Lance in this Tour, if for no other reason than I like watching history to be made. Who knows when someone else will have the chance to win six in a row?

I find it amazing that there are now three American-born team leaders racing in the Tour right now. That blows my mind. Of course, 99% of the American sporting public neither knows nor cares...  :roll:
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2004, 10:57:26 AM »

Go Greg LeMond!

He's still in this a lot, right?
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2004, 01:02:41 PM »

one other item of note regarding the team leaders: I was reading the Sports Illustrated article about the Tour and they quoted someone as saying that the USPS team isn't just Lance and a bunch of other guys.  It's full of some of the finest riders in the world, and they all get their share of fame and glory in other races and in other ways.  Lance never wins any other race b/c he often takes on the support roles and tries to help his teammates win.  He just gets this Tour.  What comes around goes around, I guess.  Plus, I think they split Tour earnings pretty evenly between the team.

With that said, you have to admit that Lance is one of the most amazing climbers.
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2004, 08:35:20 PM »

Great stage today. The cobblestones were expected to shake up the peloton, but it actually ended up being a crash right before the first cobblestone section that broke up the peloton in half. Euskatel leader Iban Mayo ended up almost four minutes out and basically, his Tour is over. So that's one rival down, and Ullrich, Hamilton, Leipheimer and Heras to go...

Team time trial tomorrow, that should be fun.

(by the way, I'm taping the segments during the day, so don't expect me to comment until the evenings after I've watched the tape)
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2004, 01:05:57 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2004, 01:47:05 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2004, 03:13:01 PM »

That's an incredible achievement. I admire him hugely; his attitude and "fuck you" spirit when fighting adversity is very moving. Well done, Mr. Armstrong, you are the greatest athlete on Earth. No competition.
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2004, 08:09:06 AM »

I think Lance is a doped up dickhead.

This would all be so much easier to take if he was French or something.
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